Mesmers didn’t need a buff at all. It was fine. Very very very strong.
Your opinion is very important for us
If he plays nothing but a Necromancer his opinion is going to be distorted by the experience. In those circumstances of course you’d think Mesmer damage is too strong. In truth Mesmer damage has never changed at all, and it was in large part the community who complained about sword/focus until eventually Mesmers gave in and took up staff/GS, which fares stronger against classes weak to kiting like Engineers and Necromancers. But all of this history and detail gets washed away.
Of course part of me wishes they’d listen to me and me alone, but really I wish the devs wouldn’t listen to the forums so much at all. It is too chaotic and subjective to get any kind of signal from the noise here.
1. “Guyz they 2 thieves and 1 mesmer, go ban berserk amulet” = 5×2 because all others suks at this profs.
Well, that’s the interesting part of competitive play. If the other team has good players they will know how to play with those professions without berserk amulet right?! If they don’t, then they need to train more or find other solutions.
Let amputate your left hand . If you are smart man you will know how to work with 1 hand right? If you don’t then you need to train right hand more or find other solutions.
Thank you for not taking appropriate criticisms and instead embracing anyone that at least half agress with you.
You communicate just how opinionated you are when you can’t accept criticism.
It reflects just how dead your suggestion is received.
Saying “no, because I don’t like it” to a suggestion is not a criticism, no matter how many words or different ways you use to say that. It doesn’t help to reach any conclusion about the suggestion since it just clearly says “No.”
And, about your previous post before this one, A-net can still work on the balance of the game, but giving a new option for players to control the balance of the game is one step closer to help Anet understand what exactly needs to be worked on instead of giving them multiple threads and posts talking about how OP or not one Build is, making them confused about what exactly in that build is wrong.
Imagine this: once a said rune/amulet is banned all the time in games, they know exactly that thing needs to be worked on with facts.
1. “Guyz they 2 thieves and 1 mesmer, go ban berserk amulet” = 5×2 because all others suks at this profs.
2. As result “giving a new option for players to control the balance of the game” LOL WAT? Players will abuse this and create 10 times more disbalance then now. Just look at 1.
3. 1 min before fight + at least 30 sec to bans + 2-3 min to let people change builds. Maybe start?
If you give mesmers AA torment, GW2 will turn into mesmer wars 2, at least until they make another class completely op.
Ahahahaha, warrior detected.
Can you tell us in which game mod condie mesmer will be OP?
Now:
wars OP at pve, mesmers useless
wars OP at WvW, mesmers useless
wars OP at SPvP, mesmers useless unless 1 man at all mesmer community
oh condie pu mesmers immortal 1×1 but also can not kill someone because have not chase abilities.
Any time anyone tries to justify a buff they always compare things to Warriors but you list is pretty true but I am warrior and disagree with that.
PU has elements of all thief’s defensive Grandmaster traits; Shadow Rejuvenation; Resilience of Shadows, and Assassin’s Equilibrium (regen, protection, block/stab). When you have to compare PU to 3 GM traits…something is wrong. Either PU is OP or thief GM traits need a serious buff.
WTT PU to cheese auto cleaning conditions thief trait
all i can advice is if you want things done right do it yourself. if none wants to bunk , you bunk , if none wants to destroy treb/use treb you do it yourself. none want to grab buffs you get it yourself. by expecting or should i say assuming your teamate will do right thing will lead to frustration, at least if you fail to bunk, get buff, destroy treb you can only blame yourself for sucking.
If you give mesmers AA torment, GW2 will turn into mesmer wars 2, at least until they make another class completely op.
Ahahahaha, warrior detected.
Can you tell us in which game mod condie mesmer will be OP?
Now:
wars OP at pve, mesmers useless
wars OP at WvW, mesmers useless
wars OP at SPvP, mesmers useless unless 1 man at all mesmer community
oh condie pu mesmers immortal 1×1 but also can not kill someone because have not chase abilities.
I was so ready to complain about this insane, over-the-top buff to scepter…. Instead I’m just going to roll a mesmer and shlt on you guys.
Also to the people saying it wont matter in organized pvp: How many people play organized pvp, 100 people? lol. Condi mesmer will absolutely massacre solo Q, were 95% of the population resies
Let’s discuss what mesmer have received and was that buff for sPvP memser?
Shatter 4/4/0/0/6:
GS/Staff
-Illusionary Elasticity – good for staff clones, but…it’s shatter…clones don’t live long time
- Mind Stab – +17% damage and 240 radius is good but in compare with war’s arcing arrow it’t still laughable
Sw+any/any
-Illusionary Leap – we can speak about this skill many pages, but just try to compare old pre"fixed" iLeap(when you could swap with dead illusion) and new iLeap. Can not speak for all people, but for me old iLeap wass better even with path finding issue. Stunbreak or 100% (if devs not failing again) ileap without iSwap if il dies…
difficult choice.
Condie mesmer
they buffed PU condie…have no words… Will it be usefull at tPvP? No. May be at low lvl of SoloQ, but who knows.
I will not surprise if future update will buff useless traits/skills/builds and again ruin something useful still not ruined.
Just created for Up at next balance patch if (90%) this will happened
/Cheers
Lmao this is so true. Good luck squinting your eyes trying to dodge those “highly telegraphed” bursts from min size asura warriors, which is 99% of warriors nowadays.
u cant dodge Kill shot uninstall the game. 99% of warriors are assuras? doesn’t even sound like a believable statement. And how about balancing assuras then siince any class can abuse the small size. Nerf necros cuz all necros are assuras and assuras are OP kk.
Nerfs were to be expected but why not just give burst skills a longer CD.
there are no skillshots at pvp,sorry. Try to read when asura use eviscerate and compare it to human eviscerate .
“And how about balancing assuras then siince any class can abuse the small size. "
The most “Telegraphed” class is warrior…so it receive the main bonus from being asura.
At WvW you still can 1shot thief with shatter.
At sPvP you have zero chances vs same skilled or little bit less skilled thief. You can try to disagree with it, but is the fact. The only way you can kill thief 1×1 is Moa it and hope he will not use evade at this moment. But even that doesn’t grant you 100% sucses, because many peoply know how to break off combat at moa form
Ah, it’s that 6/6/6/6/6. I have it and farm poor hambows and turreters.
You forgot at that build we can strip all your boons in 1 second and interrupt to death.
very difficult to play against. Especially the PU mesmers.
hotjoin?
OP mentions “s/tPvP” so presumably is talking about both hotjoin and ranked matches – and if you ever want to roam in WvW, it’s pretty important to be able to deal with PU Mesmers anyway, even if they’re never going to be viable in high-end conquest PvP.
Anyway yeah, Gokil’s post covers things clearly – Ele can do everything pretty well (while having to go farther and sacrifice more to perform more specific roles like S/D FAir Burst or Staff Nuker), and D/D Cele is especially versatile. Learning how best to support your team in different situations with your mixed bag of tools is the way to stay effective at higher ranks. Getting out of situations that you can’t help in is equally important to sticking around when you can!
at roaming PU condie is strong but he can not kill you. You just run and he has no abilities to fallow you. PU power has little bit more chase abilities but it is full bers, so find main mesmer and kill it.
PU mesmers are banned from ESL 1v1 and 2v2 tournaments because of their incredible outplaying potential all I see is clones everywhere, clones when they dodge, confusion on demand, more clones, phantasms, et.c, et.c. As an elementalist you should know that confusion, torment and imobolize are the worst conditions we can have on us because they limit our movement and clutch plays by far cause of the inability to move/switch attunements on demand cause of punishment from the conditions. Also cleaning these conditions can only take you thus far. I have no idea which PU mesmers you are talking about but there are some kitten good ones out there.
ESL 2×2:
Important Rules
- no Asuras
- no Legendary Weapon Skins
- no Double Bunker Compositions (also no double Celestial setup)
If you think this thread is about me crying over Moa Form, you should probably just go away – You most likely wont be able to contribute in any way.
And some of you say its bad..? How is turning a 5v5 into a 5v4 not good? How is it not beneficial to turn someone defending a point into a Moa?
Sure you can run away, but thats not really a good way to earn points for your team. . .
And when you beat a mesmer, who has turned you into a Moa, you know you found someone, who had no clue what a keyboard was…
What I don’t get about most of these comments, is that you guys seem to defend the skill, while still saying its bad… If its bad, then how about trying to come up with a way to make it valid, while still not OP?
Any players with decent experience will run when they get moa’d. That’s the ultimate point of the skill when facing up decent players. You stated it yourself. It forces Lich necro to get out of the fight, it forces annoying bunker GD to get out of the point, it forces condi engi to run, and so on.
Another reason for using it is when the team wants to focus kill, which in that case you won’t survive anyway, the moa comes in just to make things a bit easier.
It’s the whole point of the skill, warding one person out of the enemy team. It’s just that the jackpot fell on your head. The skill will never be removed just because it’s OP in 1vs1 aspect which is not what the game is all about. It turns 5vs5 into 5vs4.5. And THAT’S THE WHOLE POINT OF IT. IT’S AN ELITE.
On the contrary, Lich form can instab gib 3-4 people in less than 10 seconds. You should be complaining about that instead.
lol, noone want to play roulete: will enemy evade at moa moment cast or not.
“Guyz,guyz we loosed the ToL3 because dat d..k pressed evade button”
