Guild Wars 2

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

Why does it seem that people are more tolerant of non-max efficient team compositions in fractals than ‘regular’ dungeons? Is there just simply something special about fractals that allows for a broader range of classes/builds to excel?

Because pugs don’t melee all bosses so it doesn’t matter if you have 3 warriors/ 2 guards or something else.
I never saw a pug melee mossmann or grawlshaman

btw lol @topic “this guard must be really bad because he went down – but I’m able to range him down and kite him around.. I’m so great”
I don’t want to have necros and ranger too but that’s only because they range everything… You have a dagger… use it

DanH.5879:

randomfightfan.4091:

good luck finding a pug that will look past that you’re not a warrior, guardian, mesmer.

so much hatred and discrimination based on class…
yes…yes…. !!!

To be honest – I can understand them. I don’t want to have p/p range only 0-0-30-20-20 thieves in my team. Nearly every pug thief is a shortbow 1 spamming one with signet of shadows instead of something better… it makes me sad v.v

But thieves can be really useful and helpful. We have abilities to safe our team for example signet of agility is great skill I don’t want to miss – the others can’t see our support in form of boons but it doesn’t mean that we don’t have one.

Cause I’m tired and don’t want to discuss with you ~.~ you won’t believe me anyway
You are just another ignorant person who won’t change his mind no matter what.
If you had been willing to learn something you would have opened the spreadsheet and looked at it more than 5 seconds. You can find the dps of any attack there with cast times and delays.

I just want to show thieves that we are worth in dungeons and CoF because warriors dmg isn’t that godly but since you only play WvW you can ignore this completely… Sit back and think further that warriors deal more dmg than thieves.
I’m out of this topic

wish.1027:

Anubarak.3012:

wish.1027:

Anubarak.3012:

It is well known that thieves outdps warriors…

Thanks for the laugh so early in the day.

Ok you are right… there are still people who are not able to max their dmg. I will correct my statement “Good players know that thieves and elementalists outdps warriors in organized groups”

Ok, maybe I’m wrong, so where is math to prove your statement? I mean, you must of done the math and be able to post it to show everyone that you’re correct, or you would of never made such bold statements twice in the same thread right?

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3A3Op-Hj3dOUkJRU0xvcng5ZWc/edit
download, fill in your traits, look at your dps

wish.1027:

Anubarak.3012:

It is well known that thieves outdps warriors…

Thanks for the laugh so early in the day.

Ok you are right… there are still people who are not able to max their dmg. I will correct my statement “Good players know that thieves and elementalists outdps warriors in organized groups”

zerotwo.4731:

Yes, my time is valuable!

If it is like that you should go working and earning money instead of playing video games. If you just want to get the reward instead of having fun it would be better to earn a real reward

Raven.9603:

These thieves were only taken because together they provided 25 might stacks for the whole team. Taking two warriors in their place was only less damage because warriors can’t spam unlimited blast finishers in pre-fight buffing opportunities.

That’s wrong…. 3x FGJ = 9 stacks of Might, 2 Blast finisher from banners = 15 stacks of might… 1x signet of inspiration = 25 stacks might for the team

It makes me really sad to see so many thieves that have no idea how to play their thief v.v
You know your backstab can hit with 19k CnD with 10k autoattack with a total of 12k and at the end heartseeker with 23k dmg?

We are able to do 40k dmg every 5 seconds….

I think 25-30-0-0-15
Why are you so surpriesed? It is well known that thieves outdps warriors…
Edit: It could be something like this http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQNAoYVlUmKOHcS3E95Ex2DfKUe6fAs6MoZLB-jQxAYrAm8KiGbxtIas6aMlLRUNA-e

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

Ele works, but I only see Thief doing more when the target is below 50%.

10/25/0/25/10 would be 50% modifiers for Guardian, which is pretty good I heard.

Is your lower crit dmg (only +25% from trait and not 30) included in those 50% if not it would be 40% (60 <50% health) + 200 power with thief vs 50% with guardian. 200 power is a lot^^

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

So long as you have at least 10 Zeal, 25 Radiance, 10 Virtues you could spend the remaining points however. I would probably put 10 into Valor for Retributive Armor and the extra crit damage.

So Maybe 10/25/10/0/10 with 5 points extra depending on what the math says is better, power, prec or crit damage. My guess is 15 zeal would be better dps.

Ele has +40% dmg too and 100 power more than guardian with 20-25-0-25-0
I don’t think that Guardians are able to do more dmg with LH than thieves or ele

Dub.1273:

One question: which profession is capable of doing the most damage, fully buffed, with a lightning hammer?

I would say thief, because his +%dmg traits aren’t weaponbound furthermore he does 10% more dmg with environmental weapons

edit: +35% and +55% while <50% hp

Thieves ftw <3

Walker.3056:

infantrydiv.1620:

For melee mobs, sword/pistol works great.

All you have to do is use #5 which creates an aoe blind field for 4 seconds and then attack with sword autoattack (which hits much harder than dagger auto).

Although using Shortbow clusterbomb at your feet is also good as well

Not true. If u run tests u will see that dagger AA out dps sword AA (not by much, but still dagger win) and thats what we would expect since dagger is a single target weapon and sword can cleave.

Wrong….
Dagger AA duration = 2.05
Dagger AA coefficient = 2.26
coefficient / duration = 1.102

Sword AA duration = 2.52
Sword AA coefficient = 2.9
coefficient / duration = 1.15

1.15 > 1.102 → more dmg

Always full zerker… I have 7 different Daggers, 4 swords and 4 shortbows, I use sigil of the Night (in CoF, Snowblind, Volcanic, Sorrows Embrace, Underground Facility, CoE… and so on) sigil of Undead/dregde/elemental/outlaw slaying and smothering for specific enemies, bloodlust on sword and shortbow against trash

All in all I have each weapon set against each enemy in the game but always full zerker. With my 10.8k HP there is no vitality and no toughness on my thief

Shiren.9532:

jwaz.1908:

An easy solution to your problem is starting your own group, and advertising that it’ll be a non-glitch run.

Use http://gw2lfg.net/ if you don’t already.

Or for glitchers to advertise that their run will be a glitch run. Why does the burden of glitching content fall on people who want to play normally?

/this!

Pariah.8506:

and always has an elite team of skilled players standing by 24/7 to form a group to wherever it is you’re planning to go

Not really v.v mostly there are just 1-2 other good players online, so we started to solo or duo dungeons. I can’t even remember when my team was full the last time

Pariah.8506:

And both of you, thanks aside, it’s thAn not thEn when making a comparison

thx, (as you can see) my english is very bad but I`m willing to learn more.

My weapon set depends on my enemy, many people asked me about that so I wrote a guide (but o/c in german)
But mostly it is s/p and d/d. In underground facility fractal I use s/d for boon stealing and shortbow for the trash. In arah I only use s/p for trash and d/d for bosses

Glitchers are so lame -.- I really hate to do it especially when I know the group would wipe without glitching.
I rather prefere to wipe a few times then glitching the boss this has nothing to do with skill or playing. If I want to cheat I play offline

edit: kk

I have to admit: at first I thought this would end in something like a “this is only helpful in WvW” suggestion because in PvE thieves mostly behave like ranger pets – they die instantly.
But I really like your ideas and I enjoyed reading them – you have my respect^^
Especially the undercover thief will offer us a great group support.

IMO other useful traits could be something like
- AoE blinding or group stealthing on dying
- grandmaster: 180s cd you have a (insert number)% chance to summon one more thief with a contact skill

May I translate it into german? I would like to post it in our forum in your name

obal.3218:

Imbued shaman
You can entangle the boss and pretty much solo the bubble off with warhorn 4 and long bow 2.

Every skill in the game just remove one stack of the shield… are you sure about this information?

wish.1027:

What I do know is that if youre running high level fractals or anything decently difficult, you will have a “tank” generally a guardian, who has lots of toughness

In high level fractals you are one hit even with pvt..
The only thing that safes you is aegis and other skills that make you invulnerable.
So this tank (mostly we don’t even have one) isn’t full toughness. One of our guardians is full zerker except one packpiece for pulling aggro.

wish.1027:

People who talk down about toughness in general are bad also. Toughness is the best way to avoid dieing from melee hits

You already mentioned it – you don’t play PvE that often, so please stay out of PvE topics. You have actually no idea of PvE. I bet you didn’t even run fractal 48+ or lupicus melee.

In WvW toughness is an important stat but in PvE you don’t want to have since you can dodge ALL attacks… The only thing toughness does in PvE is pulling aggro and it doesn’t matter how much you have. If you are the one with the highest toughness and in range of the enemy you’ll get aggro.
If there are 4 other thieves in your team and you are the only with only 10 toughness more there will be a high chance for you to get attacked

Toughness isn’t the best way to survive – dodging is the best way

edit: btw wish, what you are talking is true but you totally forgot that there are not that many attacks you get hit from.
Vitality scales much better from incoming dmg then toughness does and you only need enough defense to tank at least one attack. I calculated all that stuff, you need more toughness to tank one attack eg by lupicus then vitality. Your goal should be not to get hit at all and having enough defense to carry one hit. This isn’t WvW

IMO the best way to master a thief is with valkyrie armor and berserker or valkyrie trinkets.
Reason: We have a very little health pool so we are vulnerable to condition dmg, toughness doesn’t decrease conditions so there is no reason to use that stat for a thief. If you want to be defensive: vitality will be your prefered stat.
You can use a full Valkyrie set too if you want your dmg will still be on a “good” level because of Hidden Killer (100% krit chance while in stealth).

I started with 0-30-25-15-0 many people like 0-30-30-10-0 more but I say avoiding dmg > healing dmg. So with 0-30-25-15-0 you will have a good amount of endurance and a good condition remove.

All in all: vitality > toughness → valkyrie armor, berserker stats → 30 points in CS → Hidden Killer.
The problem with toughness is you will pull aggro. Pulling aggro will decrease your dps not only because you have to evade but you want to be behind your target to double your dmg with backstab.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

I also made a desktop background too, in stunning 1080p

Like a boss!
That would be the name of my new guild which I will never form… I Survived Bloomhunger [@lvl1]

rfdarko.4639:

Have you done this in the past month? Also what group did you have that you could take head on the entire room full of spiders on reset? I’ve pugged this at least 5 times in the past week, and after reset there was no way we could kill those spiders (there are at least 5 vets and god knows how many hatchling) , plus trying to dodge the trees attacks. If you have any specific tips on clearing the spiders (especially after reset) I’d love to hear them.

Yes last week – twice
We had one lvl 60 warrior (me) 1 guarian, 2 D/D elementalists (without hammer or sword) and 1 random I can’t remember what he was.
It was very easy, at first we tried the melee reflect method but we failed very hard. After 2 fails we started to stay in range and kill all the spiders, one by one – then we attacked the tree, pulled spiders, killed spiders and killed again and again for about 9 minutes.
They don’t respawn endless in front of the tree so after a long time we could attack him brain afk without spiders

@Auesis I like you… There are so many people that have no idea how to play a thief, so I’m happy everytime when I see one (or in this case when I’m reading their texts)

cranked.3812:

Anubarak.3012:

You know you can still outrange him, don’t you?

What do you mean by this? You can’t range him at the entrance like groups used to do pre-patch.

You can….. You have to kill all spiders in the room, kill them, they will respawn, you kill them again, they will respawn again and so on….
after about 5 minutes the spiders will spawn behind the boss and you will be able to kill him in 1200 range (like prepatch) without pulling aggro of the spiders
I did it a few times with pugs.

Of course the fight will take 10 – 15 minutes with this method but it is better then nothing

You know you can still outrange him, don’t you?

Marduh.4603:

Trickery Master
Confusion attack
5 sec confusion(5stac) on crit/ 10 sec cd.

A wild thief appears
thief attacks you with >>sword attack<<
you loose

^^"
and I wasn’t able to understand v.v

@TheMaskedParadigm It is one of the easiest enemies in fotm… If you have 2 guards they will reflect everything except hit autoattack^^

@obal good job

Travlane.5948:

how much dmg do you do against the 3 champs in the first room of the harpy lvl? all champs 1 with great burst 1 with great hp and AOE KDs…one with aoe dmg and burning. prolly use ur shortbow here? ping ping ping. engineer….ranger…everyone outdmgs u here. fact is yes we can get by….but we also can do the output many others do. we are inferior in that aspect.

I run 25-30-10-0-5 with dagger/dagger an d swort/pistol and I would say I outdps EVERY ranger or engineer.
With an organised team you guardian will pull aggro of the Ethin while your team burst the other 3 enemies down. Smoke Screen, Wall of Reflection and other things like that + dodging will help you to avoid every dmg… I really don’t see any problem here. I didn’t done it at higher fractals but since they onehit me at lvl 48 it won’t become harder at level 79…. there is no difference between dying from 20k dmg or dying from 40k dmg

1. Shadowstep fixed
2. make the evade of pistol whip better…. with my mesmer I can use Blurred Frenzy and I’m safe… with my thief I die with pistol whip even when the sword is swining

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

At least CoF farming elitists melee things, not range. Trying to do Lupicus with one spastic ranging and backpedaling around the room is the most frustrating thing ever. You do less harm to your team by just dying than dragging Lupi around everywhere while your melee try to keep up >.>

Not really… Many people are playing a “farm warrior” just in CoF and nowhere else. They still play their range condition necro and think they are useful. It’s really sad but there are still players that think berserker is only for CoF
That’s why I’m always happy when I can melee Lupicus with a good team^^

Bogy.2953:

so its not a solo then ok great

yeah such a noob, didn’t even try to teach his thieves guild to do easy things like going to specific places while opening the door [/sarcasm]

Like I mentioned in other threads, great job
What is the next dungeon on your list? AC spider queen is a very interesting enemy maybe you could find a way to solo the burrow part in path 1

It worked well for me in arah, I tried it 2 times and there were no problems. You just have to pay attention that there is no ramp in your way. If you want I can make a screen with a “safe place” (place trap → pick light → use trap → run few steps to the end, you don’t even need your healskill or anything else)

Thanks for the hint, I didn’t even think about ice fractal
The only time I used the trap infight was in CoE against subject Alpha (solo). I know it is easy to defeat him with s/x but I wanted to kill him with d/d. Since there aren’t that many methods with d/d to get out of the crystals (only steal and shadowstep and o/c infiltrators signet but I think this one is crap) this trap becomes really useful.

I can imagine it could be helpful against the last boss in ac p1 because of the stuns when you want to melee him solo. But I didn’t need it the last 2 times, anyway I would like to see more good situations for this trap because I really really like the idea behind :P

randomfightfan.4091:

Bumping this cause I haven’t seen another thief even attempt this. I’m also trying to get a good name out there for pve thieves and tricks like this are what people notice.

That’s just because you don’t play on EU server^^
Anyway I don’t see other thieves doing this too. You can use this trap in arah p3 too (light part) or in swampland fractal

wow nice
Do you remember how long the charr fractal took?
Just to compare with my time (1.5h with few wipes v.v)

spoj.9672:

I melee bloomhunger even if every1 else in the pug group ranges because im cool as kitten. One time they all wiped while ranging and i had to solo to finish him off. :/

/THIS
delete the “cool as kitten” part and replace “One time” with “Many times”

Wethospu.6437:

Bloomhunger is really annoying to melee. There’s good chance that some circles won’t even appear (at least if everyone melees).

I’m more then surprised oO
I always melee him, it’s so much easier b/c you can reflect every attack except his autoattack.
Even when I solo him I never range

let’s say
PvE PW > FS
PvP PW < FS

Homonavn.6348:

Dont nerf CoF until they have added another farming spot (Like the old CS farming…) I really enjoyed the CS farming, but is just… UGH NO THANKS

There are other farming spots, you just can’t farm them brain afk like CoF^^
Btw: why do you need farming spots? Just play the game and enjoy it… fun > reward

I’m always surprised when people say “I like the worst weapon set in the entire game” anyway – power > precision

Dub.1273:

Wethospu.6437:

-snip-

Depends on your consideration of exploits. Is attacking mobs through walls one? CM should still be doable without though.

Without any exploits doable are AC Path 1, (2,) 3, CM, TA, CoE 3 (i believe, think randomfightfan did one without exploits) and arah path 2+3. Not on all professions, though.

@soloing simin: i’ll make a video next time i do path 4. May take a while because i don’t need any gold atm.

He did p2 and if I remember right he invited some other players for the lasers like I asked you for help^^
Just one question: I spend about 1h in AC p1 burrow part but I’m still not able to solo with my ele (staff, fgs 3+4, frostbow) my problem is not killing them fast enough, my problem is that I can’t run fast enough from burrow to burrow. Could you pls give me some hints?

Ruggan.4102:

Ranger: Better range, better dmg (because of pet), better heals, same amount of dodge capability, better utility skills, better synergy than thief. And lets not forget the fact that I have never had to change the build of my ranger while the thief, due to nerfs, has had to change build every single patch.

Noone needs range since you can AND SHOULD melee everything. NO ranger has a better DPS then a well played thief
Please, please, please… learn to play… you are the reason why people still think rangers, necros and ingis are worth.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Ranger-DPS-in-Dungeons
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/CoF-with-2-Eles-and-3-Rangers-in-7-45
Think about it, read it and think again. If you still think rangers have better dps then it is useless to discuss with you

congratulation^^
I did it with ele and thief but I was totall bored after 10 minutes with my mesmer and his poor dmg output.

Arianef.3148:

This Boss is actually quite easy to solo. All you need is a sword mesmer with Blink on a 24 sec cooldown. The hardest part is finding guildies to get you there.

You can get there alone^^ with mesmer it’s actually easy because you can melee everything brain afk (except lasers)

Dub.1273:

Spiky Muffin.9180:

haviz.1340:

But since the fastest solo was done in about 6m30s I would say, that by taking banners, it could be done in about 1 minute.

The fastest on youtube actually

The fastest “public” on youtube.

I call you god if you can reach this “best” time again^^

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQNAoYVlUmKOHcS8E/5Ex2DfuTe6fAs6MoZLB-TsAg0CnI4SxljLDXSuscNoYZxsAA

You just need a teammate for fury or you change Flanking Trikes to Thrill of the Crime..

Signet of Malice is absolutely op if you use it right in pve……

@randomfightfan: Thank you^^ You wrote exactly what i thought