Guild Wars 2

Raithwall.8201:

yea, please show me all that thief tanks. they seem to be so viable i’ve actually never seen one yet.
you might be able to tank as thief, its just other classes do it better while bringing support to the group

Crusher + Hunter Arah p3… You wont find a better “tank” cause thief never need to move
Melandru Arah p4 is some kind of afk check too.
Leurant TA, when you want to carry pugs, just go PW and all the others can do dmg while you stand there.
Just 3 examples

Maybe with the traitline training?

released at 25.10.2014 Oo
did you ever noticed the massive dmg increase with the 23.6 update???

Edit: i searched for Videos but i could not find a thief pov with all buffs, only duo ele that Hit with 12k against bloomhunger (without warrior Banner)

This + Flawless Strike (that isnt shown in hero’s panel) = 2.687 crit dmg
With ranger or food it would be even higher. This is just banner of discipline + no Quater

I cant make a video, because I can only play on minimum options on my laptop. If I would start to record I’ll only have 8-10fps but I can make a screenshot soon^^

1. Why does your thief has over 14k HP?
2. Why does your thief only has 2.6 crit dmg Oo
3. Why does your thief only 170k dmg with 24 icebow hits Oo i would cry and delete my thief when she would ever deal so low dmg. Icebow 4 should hit with 12k at least. I usually hit with around 16k with food.

The dmg you calculated is incredible low when i compare it with the dmg I deal / what is shown in my dps Meter overlay.

Ahh and 4. Why the heck deals every heartseeker the same amount of dmg? Cause of lead attack it should be reduced after each use..

It seems to me that you missed a few traits like Ferocious Strikes and revealed training

Edit: Btw what is lotus venom? Do you mean lotus strike?

Whaaaat? No…….
I want to deal dmg xD

It only takes about 15 min to get to her. Not that bad

Just bug Dwayna…. You dont need to dodge and have a good enemy that does nothing. This is a good DPS test in my opinion

Brazil doesn’t even need to push his ego with ice cream. We all know he survived bloomhunger and the spiders in Arah as mesmer so he is op!

Anyway condition dmg is trash and we must not let this poor soul run with that. All his problems are solved when be run berserker

People get used to say the same thing about fractals, there are so many people who think you must have a guard for 40+
Some of my friends don’t believe me when I say I did lvl 77 with 2 ele 2 war and 1 necro with only 1 war at dredge because I changed to thief.

You can do everything with every profession. Maybe weth could show us a solo with his war

haviz.1340:

Zelyhn.8069:

Occam disagrees

I don’t have any weapons. ;<

My whole body is a weapon

You should not be proud for finding exploits… Do it like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGcUBQ3zFeo

We play like we want and enjoy our way to play.. We let you play like you want (even if you dont seem to be happy about gw2 atm)
On the other side – you dont want us to play like we want.

Norn elite = OP
If I had known that 1 year ago my thief would be norn. In AC and CoE we have no elite skill that is better than bearform. Sad but true v.v

Casual day of AntiGw:
~ I want to do arah ~
“lfg arah p2”
They enter the dungeon run to the first boss and AntiGw was killed by the first mob. After 100 tries he still isn’t able to walk around him (or her)
He’s crying so hard because he never saw any boss except lupicus in path 2 in such a group.
His revenge is too painful for us – he went into this topic

Sir Vincent III.1286:

spoj.9672:

I would never advocate using pieces of non zerk gear on my thief though.

That would only mean that you’re a high level Thief player and can handle the ’zerker gears well, but to those who are just starting their Level 80 adventure, ’zerker would be their source of many frustrations.

He’s in rT → he’s OP :P
Anyway I prefer 30-30-10-0-0 because 25-30-0-0-15 is only better when you are using sword more than dagger (usually you want use sword only for trash) or when the fight is shorter than 10s.
When you really calculate the dps you’ll notice that you run out of initiative very soon so you lose 10% dmg or backstabs at all.

+ 5% dmg at the first 2-3 backstabs but -10% dmg the rest of the fight or 2.5 AA chains after 1 backstab.
But sry for offtopic^^"

Can’t open those build editors with my smartphone but assassin don’t really make sense on thief because with 30 points in critical strike and full zerker you should have 100% Crit Chance in a good group. Assassins armor is useless on thief

Flissy.4093:

How has this gone unnoticed for over a year?

Maybe we should test if our healing skills heals our enemy’s too O.O
Healway guards would die out

Skipping as mesmer PoV: much harder than killing the mobs with a good group. Killing is more like LoS -> feedback -> 111111 (I warden, temporal curtain, if they don’t die after one feedback) you repeat this again and again endless times.

When you skip as mesmer it is much harder when you want to be fast. Usually your goal is to be prepared for the next fight as fast as possible. If you take mass invisibility, veil and blink with you there will be no mantras for 4% more dmg so you have to decide what you do. Take defensive skills for skipping or try to run only with feedback.
Much more fun and much more challenging than killing them

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Cyhann.2609:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Cyhann.2609:

But in the end it’s dagger because the last attack on sword isn’t too reliable.

I would think that those who uses Sword will make sure that the 3rd attack, the highest damage of the sequence, hits — I know I do.

Yes, sure but that doesn’t make it quicker and less telegraphed and easy to evade with
walking compared to the dagger one, and it’s quite annyoing to make sure that the last
hit actually hits imo, and I would really prefer a quicker animation like the one from
the warrior, even if it would make less dmg then, since it feels way more fluid. And
stupid looking attacks like those don’t fit the fast/stealthy theme of the thief anyway.
But in the end I guess it’s just personal preference, but I really think that those
animations should be swapped since it also feels off on the warrior, but whatever.

Warriors are Anet’s little brats. We can’t do anything about that, so comparing us to them will be a waste of time. The funny part is, Anet still think that we are the ones who needs to be nerfed. lol.

But when you compare warriors dmg vs thief dmg and know the math behind without any prejudices you’ll see thieves do more dmg than warrior. Maybe you call me stupid but every elite PvE guild knows that, even warriors know that. The only one who don’t know this fact are mostly thieves….. sad v.v

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you all forgot something… Sword AA deals more dmg than Dagger AA but nobody will only use autoattack with a dagger. With Dagger you use CnD → BS → AA which is much better than sword.
Btw: yeah sword hits 3 targets this is the reason why you use it against trash but nearly every boss in this game is just 1 enemy^^

@Diak Atoli there are already many spreadsheets.. o/c you can calculate our dps again if you want but you can use an existing one^^ I did it about 6 months ago with every single thief build. Every single dungeon elite guild does this math for maximum dps. That’s why thieves are running D/D against bosses and s/p against trash

With full zerker and critical hits sword does more dmg than dagger.
You totally forgot critical hits in your calculation and this is an important thing since conditions can’t crit.

You just have to compare the dmg coefficients
Dagger: 2.265 in 2.05s → 1.104
sword: 2.9 in 2.52s → 1.15

When you are in a good group your sword AA will hit for >20k the poisen wont make dagger AA stronger then

wish.1027:

Clumsy.6257:

just like its common knowledge that pow/prec/crit % are the only stats that matter in pve

Then why are you advocating kitten ruby orbs?

What? I really dont understand what do you want to say oO?
Ruby Orbs = pow/prec/crit% but you cant know that if you dont even play gw2

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Anubarak.3012:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Anubarak.3012:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Anubarak.3012:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

I can do it faster with only 2 people.

But mimic doenst work against this boss :P

I can solo him legit faster than you can 5 man him because I’m better than you.

No you cant – get it

Yeah I can I’m Euro.

I beat you…. I’m german

Nutte.

So what? We live in hard times :P

Did you try that?
I tried it about 4 times and died right after PW endet or started because this evade is so fk unrealiable. Even if you dodge directly after PW you die.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Anubarak.3012:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Anubarak.3012:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

I can do it faster with only 2 people.

But mimic doenst work against this boss :P

I can solo him legit faster than you can 5 man him because I’m better than you.

No you cant – get it

Yeah I can I’m Euro.

I beat you…. I’m german

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Anubarak.3012:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

I can do it faster with only 2 people.

But mimic doenst work against this boss :P

I can solo him legit faster than you can 5 man him because I’m better than you.

No you cant – get it

Clumsy.6257:

Anubarak.3012:

Clumsy.6257:

Anubarak.3012:

Stx.4857:

I have always wondered… what is the point for those 15 in trickery?

Is it for the fury/might that you will always have on you anyway from your team? Or is it for 5% extra damage from behind the mobs?

Either way I would much rather have 1500 extra health and a 3rd dodge, especially in fractals.

10% dmg for initiative >6
and 5% more dmg while flanking

the thing is: if you dont have 10 points in trickery you get 5% while flanking and loose 10% from initiative >6 and cant do backstab that often

am i just reading this wrong or do you have your traits mixed up? 10% for initiative > 6 is in critical strikes not trickery and 5% damage while flanking barely makes a difference when u can burn anything down in < 20 seconds

If you want to CnD -> Backstab -> Double Strike -> Wild Strike -> Lotus Strike -> repeat constantly you wont stay >6 initiative after the first time so you lose much dmg. You need +3 Initiative to get your 10% dmg boost at least 2 times

or if your running 25/30/10/0/5 you can use infusion of shadow and never have to worry about running low

yeah I mentioned that before

30-30-10-0-0 full zerker or 25-30-10-0-5 if you like that better
D/D and S/P

with sword

• press 2
• wait .5s
• dodge
• wait .5 – 1s
• press 2
• be happy in ~80% of times

with dagger

• dodge forward
• use healskill withdraw
• be happy in ~80% of times

but there is always a chance to get hit by them no matter what. Even if you dodge all the time there might be a chance to get hit when you are back in melee range. The only really save method is to use SB 3333333 to get away from him

@Wish you still post in PvE topics without any experience…..
Pls go back to WvW

@OIIIIIO.7825 I know that problem

Stx.4857:

Anubarak.3012:

Stx.4857:

I have always wondered… what is the point for those 15 in trickery?

Is it for the fury/might that you will always have on you anyway from your team? Or is it for 5% extra damage from behind the mobs?

Either way I would much rather have 1500 extra health and a 3rd dodge, especially in fractals.

10% dmg for initiative >6
and 5% more dmg while flanking

the thing is: if you dont have 10 points in trickery you get 5% while flanking and loose 10% from initiative >6 and cant do backstab that often

Are you saying that you need the extra 3 initiative from 15 trickery to stay above 6 initiative for the 10% damage from critical traits? If so, I would disagree. You can manage a regular 12 initiative pool while backstabbing and keeping 6.

Yes, o/c you can but you’ll lose much dmg because you have to do more AA.
And you have to stay over 6 initiative so if you are unlucky or bad you have only 6 while you backstab.
You gain 1 ini every 1.333s – CnD takes .9s but you dont lose your initiative right when you start your skill. You lose your 6 initiative .5s after you start CnD so if you gain your ini at .4s and use CnD you’ll use backstab 1s after this with only 6 ini not 7

Even though you’ll lose 10% at 2. Backstab otherwise you have to do 2x AA

There are reasons why you won’t see a good thief with 30-30-0-0-10
only 30-30-10-0-0 for fights >10s or 25-30-0-0-15 for fights <10s
Some use 25-30-10-0-5 which is also for >10s fights

Clumsy.6257:

Anubarak.3012:

Stx.4857:

I have always wondered… what is the point for those 15 in trickery?

Is it for the fury/might that you will always have on you anyway from your team? Or is it for 5% extra damage from behind the mobs?

Either way I would much rather have 1500 extra health and a 3rd dodge, especially in fractals.

10% dmg for initiative >6
and 5% more dmg while flanking

the thing is: if you dont have 10 points in trickery you get 5% while flanking and loose 10% from initiative >6 and cant do backstab that often

am i just reading this wrong or do you have your traits mixed up? 10% for initiative > 6 is in critical strikes not trickery and 5% damage while flanking barely makes a difference when u can burn anything down in < 20 seconds

If you want to CnD → Backstab → Double Strike → Wild Strike → Lotus Strike → repeat constantly you wont stay >6 initiative after the first time so you lose much dmg. You need +3 Initiative to get your 10% dmg boost at least 2 times

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

I can do it faster with only 2 people.

But mimic doenst work against this boss :P

All.. For PvE celestial is trash.. Pls don’t use it. Berserker is your first choice there, everything else isn’t good

Stx.4857:

I have always wondered… what is the point for those 15 in trickery?

Is it for the fury/might that you will always have on you anyway from your team? Or is it for 5% extra damage from behind the mobs?

Either way I would much rather have 1500 extra health and a 3rd dodge, especially in fractals.

10% dmg for initiative >6
and 5% more dmg while flanking

the thing is: if you dont have 10 points in trickery you get 5% while flanking and loose 10% from initiative >6 and cant do backstab that often

25/30/10/0/5 is not for condition cleansing… No one should take this trait. 10 points in SA is for fights that take longer than 10s because your dps will drop down as soon as you have low initiative.
Btw 30/30/10 is the highest dps build in dungeons where your fight takes longer than 10s. If your group can burst down everything quickly you should take 25/30/0/0/15

I love these ideas.. Time for my downstate thief! I think he has even more dps than longbow ranger

Sanderinoa.8065:

Anubarak.3012:

Soloing Simin without glitching is impossible since stability abuse and standing inside her for never getting petrified is a glitch. I dont think it is possible without that method because you cant do enough dmg while you have to throw tears

Edit: what about Melandru :P

Ha! I didnt even think about that, and as for Melandru, I’d like to use a nice quote from Brazil :

If you do that, I’m going to cut my arms off.

I Didn’t say you should melee him but it’s actually possible… It’s a pain but it’s possible you just have to be really lucky and a person without other hobbies or friends.
I tried it with my pony-shortbow thief but broke up after 25 min of kiting aroung

Soloing Simin without glitching is impossible since stability abuse and standing inside her for never getting petrified is a glitch. I dont think it is possible without that method because you cant do enough dmg while you have to throw tears

Edit: what about Melandru :P

Fafnir.5124:

Anubarak.3012:

Call me idiot but I think Mossman is way more difficult than Legendary Imbued Grawl Shaman.
You can kill this Grawl relative easy with enough reflects or when you go range.. o/c you can kite around Mossman too but I cant see his attacks as well <.<

If u look on mini map u can see his movements when stealthed on who he is going to oneshot. This might be a glitch but it certainly helps at 40+

I know that.. But he usually kills me with his autoattack b/c I can’t see him. Guard fire, mesmer Feedback, ele fire makes this fight so painfull

Risen revenge – Invasion of deadeye vol 1?

SpeedFiend.4521:

Anubarak.3012:

Well… o/c you are totally right and I get your point but try to understand them.
You think you are useful with your cleric gear and help pugs with that (what is absolutely wrong) and they think it’s fine what they do.
I have the same problem with cleric guards who claim to be experienced – like you with new players who claim to be experienced.
Obviously you both aren’t, but it isn’t worth getting upset about.

I could easily bring my glassy thief and survive the aforementioned encounters just fine. If I wanted to two man dungeons I’d just do that though, the faceplanted audience doesn’t really do it for me.

Well then… Why don’t you play a glassy guard?
Would be much better

Well… o/c you are totally right and I get your point but try to understand them.
You think you are useful with your cleric gear and help pugs with that (what is absolutely wrong) and they think it’s fine what they do.
I have the same problem with cleric guards who claim to be experienced – like you with new players who claim to be experienced.
Obviously you both aren’t, but it isn’t worth getting upset about.

Next time: range only with dualshortbow thief :>
Anyway good job

Is there any reason why nobody posted our video from yesterday?

Sanderinoa.8065:

The mossman leaves more room for rallying throughout the fight, and can be kited around, his attacks can surely be hard to see at times, but contrary to the shaman not all of his attacks inflict agony. That aside, you can always jump into the water, and unless you stand really stupidly close, won’t Target an entire party at the same time, like the grubphase of Mr shaman.

I totally agree with you but I think glitching a boss isn’t a good way to define him “easier” :P
You are right when we are talking about lower levels such as 1-49, over lvl 50 his autoattack (his normal axt swing) will be a bigger problem than grawl agony arrow.
Right now with 55 ar I can “tank” 1 shot from grawl shaman but I die instantly with my 10.8k HP thief from 1 axt swing and dodging an arrow is much easier for me^^

Let’s say it depends on the level and on the intention of the group. If speed doesn’t matter someone can kite the Mossman around while the rest can do dmg without any problem.

Call me idiot but I think Mossman is way more difficult than Legendary Imbued Grawl Shaman.
You can kill this Grawl relative easy with enough reflects or when you go range.. o/c you can kite around Mossman too but I cant see his attacks as well <.<

We aren’t even in tall grass how can you expect a wild moderator :>