Anyway still trying to find an engi-proof close defender…only decent options outside double stability war seem to be power necro and s/p/d thief but as far as i can see they’re not so engi-proof vs a decapper who knows how to use his skills just a bit above random spam level (Thx god 80% of those engis around don’t even know wtf are they doing)
The real question is if is there something that you can leave at close vs a decap engi being sure you’re not going to lose that point? (Considering same skill level, spammer decapper vs spammer something else and good decapper vs good something else)
This is for both personal interest and for helping ppl out of this kitten meta..
I think that if the engi has Supply Drop ready, the decap will be pretty much guaranteed against any class.
Aside from this, it turns out with how fast (and reliably) can you KILL the engi before he gets a decap. And this depends on the build the engi is using.
If he is running mines, Flamethrower and TK, a MM Necro could be able to kill him.
If he is running bombs, Flamethrower and TK, a Hambow should be enough (and could even prevent the decap if he is double stability+lyssa).
If he is running bombs, Flamethrower and mines (rare) he has no defense whatsoever, and I think a S/D thief could kill him fast enough to prevent the decap.
my 2c
For engi-proof i mean no decap..just able to keep point (Either by standing on it fighting forever or by killing the engi before he can decap)…anything that is going to lose point (And for lose i mean decapped) can’t be considered engi-proof cause if you kill him you still have to sit there getting it back and losing time (And he’s probably coming back forever if he knows he can decap, even if he’s going to die eventually) or if you can’t kill him you need backup to get rid of dat rat getting your point back (While being outnumbered somewhere else)…and both are bad options in tpvp and he already won in both cases..
Anyway still trying to find an engi-proof close defender…only decent options outside double stability war seem to be power necro and s/p/d thief but as far as i can see they’re not so engi-proof vs a decapper who knows how to use his skills just a bit above random spam level (Thx god 80% of those engis around don’t even know wtf are they doing)
The real question is if there’s something that you can leave at close vs a decap engi being sure you’re not going to lose that point? (Considering same skill level, spammer decapper vs spammer something else and good decapper vs good something else)
This is for both personal interest and for helping ppl out of this kitten meta..
I still wonder when anet looks at those matches, if they even look at something ofc, what the jusus freaking christ kitten are they thinking? Oh look engis everywhere sending ppl flying like ping-pong balls all over stupid skykitten…no problem, this is totally fine…let’s go back to pve events
I seriously think someone here doesn’t really know what high risk – high reward actually means…go try d/p thief or shatter mesmer maybe and you’ll get the difference..
Phantasm and Pu need to be reworked. 4-5k-ish attack is too easy to land. Except gs Izerker, other phantasm skills are poorly telegraphed. Cd on phantasm skills are too forgiving for such big damage. Sure it’s not hard to find the real Mesmer, but when there is one or two phantasm landing 4k dmg every couple a sec each takes 3 hits to clear, and the real Mesmer keeps moving into you blind spot with 0 telegraphed skills which can be spammed if traited, fighting Mesmer becomes a questions of whether you have spammy aoe or someone else as his main target. I find fighting Mesmer very silly. I don’t think anet did a great job on this class
Since warriors, necros, engis and rangers are considered fine i think mesmer is not a big deal atm…
Dc’ed 3 times in the same match (Since we were against pretty bad ones we somehow managed to win anyway but…srsly wtf?)…and all 3 times ts still working and no internet problems at all….
Stop buying chinese second hand servers already anet…seriously..
hopefully, they will implement those unique to pvp skins soon and make them nice.
…anytime in 2015..
lol… sadly, you’re probably right. And if will probably just be the starter armor with flame effects… ;o)
effects? Oh no man…if you want flames and fancy effects you must pay gems for sure, a little glowing is the best you can hope to get for a pvp-only-not shoppable reward, in 2015 ofc xD
Again..pvp players delete and remake characters really often in order to follow team’s needs and kitten metas so it would be even more dumb than skyhammer map (Nough said)…instead of playing sf try to play gw2 before asking for nonsense changes about an already kittened up pvp..
Doesn’t matter how high ranked you are, if you are bad you still get matched with low ranked/ bad players, there are many rank 10-20s who are 2x better than rank 60s.
Skyhammer farm ftw?
Thats a poor argument.
I stand top 5 europe on solo q & 400 team q (solo join)
Therefore “bad” is a word not related to the reality of my rating. Bad is mixing unexperienced players with old ones.
-About skyhammer farm-
You say it for yourself? Lots of people know you farmed many ranks there on nightly hours. We do still remember votf custom arena
Never kill the creature at start…first of all because a fast roamer can still get it even if you go 3 on it, second because even if you go 3 on it you have 2 possible situations there:
- If you just sent one person to hold mid while others kill the creature that one would probably be dead already and you’re 3v4
- If noone went mid you already lost it
tl;dr going creature if other team doesn’t (And any decent team doesn’t go for creatures at start, maybe later if your 2 points are safe and/or for a “tactical” points buff in close matches) makes you loose midfight…and no it’s not worth it..at all..once your points are safe and you actually know where their roamers are you can safely kill it if you really need to…
That’s why most old pvp players (Those few who still play..) are just going pug for fun…there’s no point on tryhard arranging teams and playing boring cheese comps for a nonsense, meaningless and not rewarded ladder…
(Aside from everything else, single player stats on a TEAM ladder…nough said..)
one main problem beside not killing the engi is, that these knockbacks are instant. so what you did is “timing” your random dodges, great job. the enemy engi just was bad and probably hit in your stab. against a decap engi its mostly luck and some quick reflexes with stunbreak (which you may have. i dont want to saw you re not good. i just want to tell it wasnt because of you that you dont get decapped).
I think the problem with the knockbacks cant be solved because you would take away something important of the engi (knockbacks are also defense for some builds). So if they would change Ar to something like: remove all condis when entering 25% hp it may solve the problem. Condi classes like other engis or necros would kill the decappermore often. They will probably still get decapped but they would kill him. Or maybe they should change the automatic medical response (inventions 15). this may be one of the main resons why necros right now cant kill an decapper. normally you just have to apply your condis at 40% hp and look how he dies. AR wont help him. Thats what you do with bombnade engis with ar. This 15 points trait however saves the life of the engi then.
Edit:
I dont think the bomb buff is the reason why so many people are running decapper. many dont even use bombs. Engi gets nerf nearly every patch. So its not the nerf which brought them up. Ive seen decapper a year ago. It just wasnt that popular. Mainly because Burst setups can handle it better. A mes and a Thief kill an engi in seconds after his toolkitblock. Same with necro and thief. so they can rotate (maybe with portal) and then beat them on mid. Also you couldnt run a decapper because against burst setups your mid wont hold 3vs4 long enough.
So in my opionion there are 3 things bringing up decap engis. first because there is a more tanky meta, second because it just got popular (it was there the whole time) and last but not least because there are many engis who cant play something else right know. Backpoint engis got a hard time (it still kind of viable but it got harder) and burstengis are not viable. I cant tell you a single 1 v 1 which is a freekill for an engi. You may got a better change against thief, but they wont die if they are not stupid because they can leave. and they can still kill you with luck. Necros, Wars and Scepter/focus ele are hardcounter. A Ranger is even, same on mes, a offguard got a chance although you will probably kill him and an engi is even again.
Yeah many kbs are istant…and he blowed many on blocks too but not wasting stability while you can actually dodge something like big “trol” bomb (Should say radius is still bugged cause it knockbacks you way outside red circle but i suppose they’re working on it…since like…6 months ago lol) or elixir x (Yeah had dat too) kb, you can actually dodge tornados (Ele’s too) for saving up stability as much as possible…point is that i needed to go hard mode just to face someone just spamming kitten randomly…and as i said he was bad cause there’s no way to hold a point vs a good decap engi for decent time without fences…but bad engis spamming random stuff are really hard already (Skills needed for them pretty much 0 but you need to go “sage mode” just to keep up)
Last night a decap engi couldn’t decap me with guard at altar (No fences) 0 0 10 30 30 double stability (syg+f3) + hallowed ground <3 and I still had to time blocks and dodges really good since one mistake and you’re out, while he just kept spamming kbs like if there was no tomorrow..and for sure he wasn’t good cause a good engi won’t waste his kbs on guard’s focus…and still needed to play at best just to hold point for almost 2 minutes..
….he then went away and started raging on how op bunker guardian is….
lolwut? o___o
There’s a reason why i’m out from this stupid meta and its playerbase..
Super hard to play can’t you see no one even plays the class? It requires so much skill for so little reward it’s not even funny….
Sorry, my bad I thought you were talking about eles
It used to, though. Problem is there ALWAYS should be a difference between “BUFFING” and “DUMBING DOWN”.
Sad thing is that “dumbing down” is the actual anet’s equivalent for “casual friendly” aka the nemesis of competitive play. They love pve heroes so much..
That said if they nerfed them substantially, it would be to appease casual players.
If they nerf every braindead no skill/high reward build (Like hambow, spirit ranger, mm necros and so on..) casuals would eventually have to l2p or die badly..
Looking for active italian and italian speaking pvp players for setting up high tier tpvp teams
Req. Rank 45+, had been at least in top 100 tpvp ladder (Not important if you’re not high ladder anymore cause many ppl just going pug atm including me) and minimum of total 1.5k tpvp matches (Including pre-ladder)
All classes are welcome, once we get enough ppl we’ll set up roles.
Usual play time from 21 to 24 gmt+1 weekends excluded
Super hard to play can’t you see no one even plays the class? It requires so much skill for so little reward it’s not even funny….
Sorry, my bad I thought you were talking about eles
It used to, though. Problem is there ALWAYS should be a difference between “BUFFING” and “DUMBING DOWN”.
Sad thing is that “dumbing down” is the actual anet’s equivalent for “casual friendly” aka the nemesis of competitive play. They love pve heroes so much..
edited because “I can’t logic” and asked same thing twice…
Just wondering if team tournament players feel guardian is still meta or not.
If they are, what do you think will change that and why do you think they hold such a pivotal position?
If they are not, then what areas are they lacking that would make them more applicable to the meta again?
If you main a guardian, mention that too please, as opinions and points of view differ based on perspective.
Guardian is the only one left from old metas…and probably the more balanced “meta” spec so far..since everything else revolves around necros spamming, wars spamming, engis spamming and rangers spamming (Autoattack lol) in comps like 2 wars (Or 1 war 1 nec) 1 ranger 1 decapper and guardian bunker that guardian is the only one who actually have to l2p in order to do something…and i can play every “meta” spec (Yeah so hard…lol) aside from engi (But going to make one soon) and bunker guardian is the hardest to play “good” hands down…that’s why you can also get as many wars as you want (Or spirit rangers or necros with an increasing number of decap engis too cause ppl started to figure out how op it is) but good bunker guardians are pretty rare stuff atm…if you just pick up a build and go in mashing buttons (Like pretty much 90% of pvp community do atm) you’re going to fail really hard, and fail guardian = fail team
Again…a decap engi with just an half brain (Not skilled just a bit aware about what his keys do) would decap pretty much everything (Expec at forest and temple) and looking at ppl suggesting to use ranged attacks (Yeah if you have to go outside point by yourself just leave that point already) or bringing another one to 2v1 him are just clueless about how tpvp works…if you’re decapped he already won, if you must go 2v1 every time in order to keep your point he already won (Since you’re going to loose 3v4 somewhere else) …if you want i can draw down a brief scheme since someone apparently can’t still get the point of this thread here…bunkers, like guardian, are made to hold capped points and support not to go far with cleric, perma-knockback someone and then trolling there forever forcing 2 ppl out of teamfights…that’s the point…that’s just stupid like it was during “troll mode rtl and back on contesting far point forever” eles long time ago…
No skill required, 100% effectiveness, spammable CC, no skill ceiling at all.
Reminds me of HamBow.
Engis actually probably require more skill than most other classes to really play well. Sure, the build is powerful and, as a result, still viable even in less capable hands, but the skill cap for playing the build well is much, much, much higher than hambow.
Engis required skills long time ago.
Fixed for you. It’s not matter of bad or good playing…if he has more knockbacks than your stability he’s gonna decap, end of the story. And running bunker he’s gonna survive forever since he’s not aiming on doing dmg or killing you…once you’re decapped you already lost. There are maps (khylo and foefire) where you can try to stand on fences holding for a little longer (Since most decappers atm are brainless just knocking you back without looking for positioning) but at temple or forest (Mine is the worst ever) it’s just a matter of time, you can’t even counter them with another decapper cause deccaping is way faster than capping it back…lol
Oh and because nobody wants to lose a way to prevent permastability (Perma-pretty much everything i would say) crazy braindead hambow wars from roflstomping ppl even more they actually do…sr (And stealth in general) is the only way to save a downed mate vs stability stomping if he has no escape downed skills or he already used them..
First rule: Any decent thief knows he can stealth a downed player but most of the times it’s not a good idea to rez him up by himself because any aoe would kill you before you can rez him up (Leaving alone the usual war who starts spamming longbow/hammer into sr like if there’s no tomorrow) + engis have lots of knockbacks and thieves have pretty much no stability (I don’t think someone is going to use basilisk with lyssa just to rez someone else in sr) so your fault for not aoe into sr or knockback that thief revealing him and interrupting rez. Stealthing downed mates is a key role for a thief in tpvp and we don’t need more pvp dumb mode…it’s enough already the way it is.
Did you try to ask anet with a ticket? Maybe, just maybe they still have backups from old ladder and could send you what you need (Yeah i know i’m talkin bout anet’s support but well should at least give it a try imo)
Yes average pve hero who is almost rank 49 without farming hotjoin
You’re so cute….r65 with 4.5k+ tournaments and playing only pvp since beta here…so? Going tpvp while lagging and knowing you can dc and leave your mates 4v5 just for stupid achievements should be punished..probably dishonor is not even enough for ppl like you…if you want to farm achivements pve and wvw are there for you. Even if since 2 months i only go pug in tpvp i always play for win no matter if my team is bad or not even if we get terrible matchmaking vs premades…if ppl want a competitive game they should always play for their team and for win otherwise they could delete tpvp already…no wonder why competitive side in this game is almost dead..
Terribads killing other terribads in “rambo mode” 1v1 in a team game while ppl discussing about worthless 1v1 specs…still wonder how this thread reached so many responses, but for sure you can get why 90% gw2 pvp population is beyond braindead and every single competitive side is already gone. All is vain
The bots in dota are better team players than most of the gw2 spvp community.
That’s for sure, it’s all about cheesemode spam atm…that’s why so many old players left already or just go tpvp pug, there’s no point on going premade, arranging teams and tactics since all you have to do is to get 5 ppl rolling fotm(months actually) randomly spamming around…the best spammer wins. No thanks, i’ll stick to my out-of-meta specs going pug for fun…way better than any kittened ladder hands down…and all of this cause someone decided pve heroes must have more chances in tpvp bringing skill level down to “dumbmode” …esports yay
Terribads killing other terribads in “rambo mode” 1v1 in a team game while ppl discussing about worthless 1v1 specs…still wonder how this thread reached so many responses, but for sure you can get why 90% gw2 pvp population is beyond braindead and every single competitive side is already gone. All is vain
This is a team game, it’s not even balanced around teamfights how can you possibly think it is around 1v1? Duels are nothing more than ego boost for bads running worthless 1v1 specs (Like pu mesmer, dps guard and so on..) that are going nowhere into a competitive match…in tpvp noone is specced for 1v1, not even close point defenders cause you’re more likely going to face a bunker decap engi so you must build around stability and point presence not around killing him 1v1 because you will never kill a decent decap engi in a resonable amount of time no matter what you’re running….going tpvp i sometimes end up in teams with ppl running duel kitten (Most pu mesmers and as mesmer main myself i can only feel bad for them) doing nothing while losing every single point, since basic rule to fight with a pu mesmer is to ignore him…you can decap pu mesmers just standing on point doing nothing while he stealths around losing cap…don’t touch him, don’t touch clones just keep dodging their autoattacks and you’re going to end up with capped point and dat mesmer still waiting for you to 1v1 him…rofl…hj and wvw dat way —->
When i saw this post i just went in cuz “It must be a troll post and i love trolling” but then i saw ppl actually being serious about skyhammer….god this pvp went totally dumbmode already…
