Real problem is that farming already existed way before skyhammer, clik just to mention one did his rank just spamming grenades on hotjoin zergs without going tpvp (Also sh farmers “won” a great amount of hj games while farming)…so they would have to rollback those too i suppose…and this is not gonna happen…just forget it..pretty much every single r60 before sh did it farming hj, not jumping into a hole but the basics were the same..spam random aoes and profit…
You can’t let a necro freely destroying your team, like you can’t let any damage dealing class without pressure. Of course it’s going to hurt if you let him do what he wants.
“bleurgh bleurgh bleurgh” sound reminding you the necro is around, and now you’re standing on kitten that’s all over the freakin point…always go for the necro first..kill him before he could spam all his stuff all over the place..pretty old rule..if you let them keep spamming you’re dead…same rule for nades engis..
@op.Anet should definetly go with this and preferrably make it an adept trait.Necros stop qq i have a tip for you.Your pets do 5k damage in one autoattack.Diamond skin would be funny on warriors though.A 30 k hp war is still just 3k damage you need to do.What you need to hit an ele with the insane ammount of ……… 1000 DAMAGE to get them at 90% ? Hard to do i know with eles insane inate armor and necros highly telegraphed and obvious weapon skills.
Just 1 q.If you can, t do 10% damage on an ele how exactly are you dealing with engineers?
No, if you run a condition build you cant do 1k direct damage. It simply wont be possible. I cant kill an AR engi sitting there on 100 health an regen. Regen alone > my direct damage. And hybrid necro is horribly bad because scepter doesnt scale at all well with power stats outsies of scepter 3 which only does really when they have condis on them – which they wont.
So ye, you cant deal 10% damage. Rabid engis will be the same tbh.
And AR is not nearly as bad as this trait. At least with ar engis every build in the game has some chance of killing them but condi bombing them at 30% health. There will literally be no way a rabid build can even interract with such an ele. And tbh, same even for a carrion build on necro. They still wont be able to hurt the ele.
Like I said, the evidence is in this thread. A while back there was a thread about anet listening to the wrong players. It is time to see if that is truely still the case. You have experienced players lining up and saying this is a very very bad change to the game. And you have inexperienced players defending it for illogical reasons. This is such a simple thing for anet to see. I hope they dont kitten it up with this trait, which only effects pvp and not pve.
Sorry but a build that can’t deal 1k damage without condis is pure mindless spam and shouldn’t be playable in a serious game. Stop this nonsense thread.
Why is that the definition of mindless spam? That literally makes no sense whatsoever.
Im not saying that necro shouldnt be nerfed. It should be nerfed along with everything else. In fact atm it is probably 5th most powerful class in the game, as whilst it puts out big damage (in the right hands espicially) – it also actually dies and is really weak to the most powerful builds in the game.
5th most powerful class ahahaha
try 3th…just because warrior (Our number 1) counters necro…if not it would be second just because spirit ranger is more easy to play than necro..
This is the standard hambow i guess: http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-ss-o;1NKVP0f4;160;9;59T-T;13;189;127A;6KJG4KJG45BW
3rd Utility: Dolyak Signet, Signet of Stamina or Defy Pain depending on enemy teamcomp and personal preferences
Defense: 2 or 3
Sigils: 2x Fire or maybe energy+force or sth else
I heard some people run Soldiers or Valyries amulet for more defense but i never tried that.
Want more cheese? Go try soldier with that…no joke, you just…can’t die while still killing stuff, even more braindead than zerk one..for the real pro wars xD
Why are you getting rid of the finishers? I think that’s stupid. It motivates more then half the players in PVP to PVP. That was one of the biggest motivators in GW1 HOH (Hall of Heroes). I took me a long time to hit Rank 13 to get my Phoenix emote. As I’m working for it again now. Taking this away is stupid.
Hambow war and spirit ranger top braindead cheese builds atm and condition/mm necro for second choice, even my grandma could be good playing those…and she’s dead…
you can carry ppl much better with a bunker (And hold lame skyhammer pretty much indefinately since you can cheaply banish them to their death)
I disagree with this. If you are a bunker and try to carry a bad team, you just watch helplessly. You can bunker one point very well but your team still looses 1-2. You try to relocate to capture something and and soon as you leave, the node you bunkered is flipped. From my experience it is much easier to carry a bad team with a roamer and just keep flipping the points.
Not really…if you get a bad team you can just hold one point and send other 4 to something else and it usually works…you just need to keep directing in team chat but if they’re just able to follow it’s ok…someone even backups you if you call like 3 times in chat…
Ranks will be removed imho because they are unnecessary considering what PVP is supposed to be.
There is no competitive game (afaik) out there where you are rewarded for how long you play. Rewards are based on how good you play.
Let’s take LoL as example, since it is the most played competitive game: you have an account level, from 1 to 30, which only purpose is to be an entry barrier to ranked matches. And that is exactly how it should be in GW2 imho.
Players need skill-based rewards, not farm-based ones.
GW1 had a Rank Emote and i’ll be sad to see GW2’s go. No one is saying hey lets not do these other changes people are more interested in seeing the ability for current Rank (Timesink to get higher as was GW1’s) and the ladder one co-exist. It’ll be something on the side personally i loved the /rank command in GW1 and while I don’t pvp much consistently in GW2, to think that it won’t be there to be earned is a tad bit saddening.
Atm i’m playing pvp just to get phoenix again like in gw1…not playing because it’s fun for sure…always same teams, always same ppl around and always abusing cheap soldier hambow claiming to be soo good…pvp is NOT fun atm…i go pvp just because of gw1 memories and because killing mobs or zerg around with bads ganking ppl is even worse than tpvp..but for fun? Oh god no…
Making it like gw1 it’s just stupid because in gw1 you were not going to switch class/build so often (Because of buffs, fotm, nerfs and so on too) so if you were new to pvp you could unlock skills fot the build you wanted to play and play it for months and more, here you often find yourself to roll totally different specs every week and if you don’t have a stable team even more, i don’t give a kitten since i have almost 2kk glory but for new players this is going to be a problem. In order to win in this pvp you must adapt at every patch, to adapt you need to unlock new skills, and if you can’t you won’t adapt…so you won’t get points to unlock skills…and so on..
If you’re hig rank you will ofted get low ranks in your team, they keep saying that rank doesn’t count in matchmaking but all i see is that i get like 2 r30+ and 2 r40+ vs all r40-50+ almost everytime i go soloq…seems a way to “balance” out my 62 i guess, sometimes you get good r30s in your team vs bad skyhammer farmed r50s in the other team but many times you just have to try to carry out your team as much as possible…that’s why i go with bunker guard only, you can carry ppl much better with a bunker (And hold lame skyhammer pretty much indefinately since you can cheaply banish them to their death)
There’s no condition meta because most classes have potentially effective ways of removing conditions now. That doesn’t make it a bad thing. It’s called balance and is something I’m pretty sure they’re aware of.
There’s “no” condition meta because we’re already deep into bunker meta (With conditions)….with cheese soldier wars (Bunkers with crapton of dmg, conditions and cc too) in first line with their “who gives a kitten to conditions” zerk stance facerolling everything, necros in first place. After war nerf we will see..right now it’s just less conditions with more bunkers, not condition meta anymore but not dps meta for sure..
I wonder if a dev could comment on an ETA of the rank removal. I’m sure we’d all like to get one more rank before they’re gone forever, and figuring out if that’s possible is probably a big deal to a lot of people.
It will take let’s say 6 months (maybe more) to get 70 from 62…just saying..
How long does it take to get from R62 to R70? For sure not a kittening week…kitten you anet
You need 2,271,500 rank points to get to rank 62. You’ll get to rank 70 at 3,421,500 rank points, meaning you need 1,150,000 more rank points. With only hotjoins and all wins, that’s 5,750 games. That means the shortest possible time it would take (each game being 7 minutes long), is 671 hours in hotjoin.
Suddenly, Skyhammer farming doesn’t seem so evil.
I’m already 62 and i wish i went skyhammer farm when i had chance to go straight from 60 to 70 instead of taking the long way and still at 62 now….after all farming like crazy is going to be rewarded….nice one anet, i still want to know how am i supposed to get my phoenix..since farmers already have it and i pvp since start, not just went sh farm for 2 months and back to pve..
“Rule 1 in every MMO is to exploit as fast as possible as much as possible”.
I more and more believe this.
I’m a true believer now!
Wish i went skyhammer farm straight from r60 to r70 when i could like someone did…to bad i took the long way and now i’m 62 with no chances to get phoenix, while crazy farmers already have it even if they started at lower rank than mine. Gj anet…gj..exploit as much as you can is definately the way to go i guess
Glory became completely worthless and should not become a currency for the new stuff you are planning because of the Bday booster bug that was giving 1000% glory instead of the intended 100% extra glory. People were earning 30k+ glory a 5min match because of this. Say you earned 500glory on average a match you were getting 50,000glory at the end of matches and they never rolled back the people who benefited from this the first day which was stupid. So you have some people with millions of glory that benefited from this that never had that glory taken from them. No one cared about glory and this bug before because it was worthless but if your putting stuff in the game that makes it actually worthwhile thats not fair to legit players and players who didn’t benefit from the bday bug/skyhammer farming. SS for proof.
And still no rollback for those…let’s screw the pvp community and those who play since start instead…seriously, go work for some chinese crap mmo already, you have no right to stay here..
from the news post
“The final stage of our rewards overhaul will be ladders. Players will be divided into divisions and will earn points for playing to work their way up the ladder. At the end of a season, players will earn PvP-specific rewards both for their ladder standings and for their level of participation. Ladders will replace existing leaderboards.
Once ladders are implemented, ranks will be retired. To honor the effort that players have put into the rank system, existing players will be able to keep all unlocked rank finishers and will earn a special title based on your rank to show that you were there from the start. Variants of existing rank finishers will move to the ladder system and will be used to show your current standings on the ladder from season to season. The original finishers will not be earnable again.
Ladders are the final step on our rewards road trip, and as such, they are a long-term project. "
so its not for a long time and you’ll still keep whatever rank finisher you have (but won’t be able to progress further),
they’re just making it more competitive for the “new ranks”
Yeah kittening up ppl who kept playing pvp even if it sucked…casual friendly uh? Your pvp is going to die in months anet…and this time i’m happy with it, you deserve it…you deserve to rot in hell with your kittening game
But this rank system dont help in anything.Progresion? What progresion , that u farm hotjoins zerg from point to point and have no idea what to do in tpvp?? Rank system was bad since start and most of good player know that , it was not promoting your skill but time u spend to farm glory so tell me why should we have smt like this?? Pvp system should tell how ppl are good not how much time they have for farming hotjoins , ofc there are ppl who play only soloque or team que but every good player will agree with me that current system is bad and removing it is good idea.
i know ranks are meaningless atm man..but just tell me…i had phoenix in gw1 and my goal was to get it here too (Without sh farm), bought this game pretty much for it…and now?
just tell me, how i’m supposed to get phoenix finisher like i had in gw1 now? I paid for your kittening game just to go pvp only getting rewarded for it…now what? You went too far trying to nurse pve heroes..too kittening far..
i don’t give a kitten about what anet wants…i bought this kittening game, i paid for it, i played this kittening game for more than one year going only pvp and all i had was worthless and now that it finally means something they’re going to delete it? Seriously? You’re going to lose so many players with this kitten anet…
“Once this new system is in place, glory will be retired as a currency, and gold will be the standard currency across the game. All existing glory vendors will be removed at this time. We will give advance warning when this is coming so you can spend all of your existing glory before that happens.”
Does it mean our glory is just going to disappear? Playing pvp only since start and my 1.5 millions glory gone? Am i really reading this anet? I must be wrong for sure….right? You’re not saying i just wasted more than one year earning worthless kitten just to see it deleted on dec patch…you’re not really suggesting to buy 1500 stupid chest full of worthless crap…right?
Because you know this is not a smart idea for keeping your already few pvp players up in your game..at all
- my guild is casual, sPvP rewards not attractive enough to coax them to try sPvP
And even being a casual this man just pointed out first gw2 pvp problem imo..
…first of all…even before wars, spirit rangers, necros, conditions and kitten..
There is no point to play pvp atm, talking about any sort of balance it’s just theorycrafting atm…since pvp is going to loose players no matter what if there’s nothing attractive and unique to play for..come on guys how many are those just going pvp only? No wvsw, no pve just pvp…always pvp? At the moment i know really few players who go pvp only pretty much since beta (Including me)…and it’s because i hate both pve and wvsw (Probably gw1 fault), but for sure not because going pvp gives me some sort of reward…yeah top 100 ladder, so? Shark finisher? wow…many farmers have it too thanks to anet’s stupid skyhammer. Glory? I think i don’t even need to talk about it. Skins? One year+ to get r60 for ugly cultural tier 1….seriously?
So i go pvp only just because i hate other things so much it’s the only thing i can do…and yes, it sux
they can get about 10k a hour if they do it right Alkaholic
WAT?!?!?!
I’m halfway thru 49 (the normal way) and recently have only been doing the daily pvp to get laurels since I was burned out but I may do this to get to 50.
Please don’t look down on me. :’(
Doing that for 2 let’s say 3 ranks it’s fine imo, even more at high ranks like 50+ when things start getting really long….problem is that many ppl farmed from r10-20 to 50+ (And even 60) and that is stupid as kitten. Anyway farming hotjoin zergs all day is not really better…since that’s a pretty cheap way too…just not as rewarding as skyhammer was before nerf.
Btw i still see farming arenas on sometimes but i really don’t get how are they doing it now since rank points are win related and one team is always going to get way less points..
…this map is just kitten, istant death mechanic is kitten and should be removed at least from tpvp (Even better if completely deleted) no matter if you can win it or not.
So, you want it completely deleted… because 1 map out of 7 you can get knocked off…. well idk if you played any other part of this game, like in wvw where people can kick u off Hills to your death. you want them to delete that keep too? Its a part of this game, a small part. they took it out of team tournies, which I thought was good. I could care less if they removed it from solo q as well, but to completely delete a map…. after all the QQ about how we need more maps….
personally, I like playing skyhammer after 6 maps of the same kinda fightin, it switches up the battle a bit, whether in my favor or not.
Also, if youre running a build or class with no knockback/mass stability, why not just fight on point B… or gank on the road, if its REALLY that bad getting knocked off. There is nothing stopping you, except yourself.
Read my post before…can you read right? I’m usually the one sending ppl down to death and STILL this map is lame and needs to go (At least from tpvp)…i don’t like winning with cheap mechanics, and winning sh with a knockback/fear/pull is called cheap..
Actually being able to swap teams leads to ppl trying to get into the winning one to get winning bonus that matter a lot after all those rank points award modifications…if something should be removed it’s team swap first of all…the ways of autobalance are still mysterious btw…
pls, dont twist my words around, i allready founded it (becouse the amount of passive heal is such high !)
the other healskills are not to bad, signet passiv heal is to strong…..but compared to the signet the other healskills are bad, oh yes !
one of the other heals heals the player for 5k+ points and removes 3 condis on 20 sec cd and the other heal heals the player between 6k to 10k (depends on adrenaline lvl) on 30 sec cd
and the warrior has many, many possibilities to deal with condidps…..
Wish i have something like that on mesmer…even those considered “not so good” by 90% of wars
lol ppl wanna see some worthless healing skills forcing you to pick one not because it’s op but because others are so bad it’s pretty much like going suicide? Take a look at mesmer…you wars have terrible options on healing skills…yeah…right..
8vs8 proves nothing..you can still be good with worthless 1v1 specs like pu or phantasm, if you want to try hotjoin go with shatter that is the only viable spec for tpvp and see if you can just spam stuff around like with hambow warrior (tpvp war spec)
PS. This is s-tpvp forum..noone gives a kitten bout zerg vs zerg here because wvsw has nothing to do with pvp, even skills are different since wvsw goes with pve mechanics and skills and yes pvp players normally delete chars and make new ones if they need to reroll prof, i already have 2 shatter mesmers just with slightly different traits…all pve lv2 chars so don’t give a kitten bout deleting one to make another….worst part is that they forced us to do that kitten pve quest instead of porting in pvp straight at lv1
well, this topic is about how a casual warrior is trying to express his thoughts regarding that how healing signet is not overpowered in his perspective.
pvp games need both casual and competitive players. a pvp game cannot survive on competitive players alone as there will always be more casual players than competitive players.
this is a “Structured PvP” forum which covers discussion on solo arena, team arena as well as hotjoin games.
i believe i have my rights to express my opinions on this forum, unless the officials tells me otherwise.
also, 8 vs 8 is not zerg vs zerg.
i call it casual sPvP.
i see. thanks for sharing your part about sPvP players constantly deleting and re-creating new characters in order to sPvP.
wvsw is zerg vs zerg…8vs8 is little zerg vs little zerg since not enough ppl…but tactics and skills needed are pretty much the same…zero…tpvp is a totally different world, you must play good (Or just go with op cheese specs like, as i said, hambow war or spirit ranger) and you must play as a team, bad players can do whatever thay want in hotjoin since noone gives a kitten bout winning, tactics and good play, in tpvp if you’re bad you’re out. Healing signet giving so much regen wouldn’t be op if wars would have to trait for it losing damage and overall effectiveness…but right now even zerk wars traited for cc and killing stuff around get that continuous regen..other classes if they go full berserker won’t have anything even close to that kitten, regen if fine…getting it with no drawbacks when not traited for healing isn’t…at all
so, are you telling me to play a mesmer in sPvP hotjoin 8 vs 8 and then come back here to share my experience as a casual mesmer?
8vs8 proves nothing..you can still be good with worthless 1v1 specs like pu or phantasm, if you want to try hotjoin go with shatter that is the only viable spec for tpvp and see if you can just spam stuff around like with hambow warrior (tpvp war spec)
PS. This is s-tpvp forum..noone gives a kitten bout zerg vs zerg here because wvsw has nothing to do with pvp, even skills are different since wvsw goes with pve mechanics and skills and yes pvp players normally delete chars and make new ones if they need to reroll prof, i already have 2 shatter mesmers just with slightly different traits…all pve lv2 chars so don’t give a kitten bout deleting one to make another….worst part is that they forced us to do that kitten pve quest instead of porting in pvp straight at lv1
In pvp you don’t rely on you ascendend kitten, level, zergs and candies to be good, is based on player skills only (That’s why noskill specs are stupid)…you can give me a brand new r1 account and i’ll play exactly the same as i play with my main account since stats and gear will be always the same from r1 to r80 just different skins
You’re right…really good ones are supposed to be good (When they nerfed it every single random scrub rerolled ele and could stay alive vs 2 while roaming everywhere with pretty much no counters)…atm ppl can just reroll a war with NO experience on it (Many friends did while i’m not going for it cause i never went fotm and never will) being even MORE effective than with their main class with thousands of tpvp matches on it…and yes, this is called being op.
well, you did say that many of your friends with no experience in warrior did very good in warrior.
also, more effective than their main profession.
but the keyword here is “thousands of tpvp matches on their main professions.” as mentioned by you.
my counter argument to your statement would be:
1. with thousands of tpvp matches under their belt, your friends hardly qualify as casual players.
2. they know how to sPvP, that is for sure.
3. even though they have no experience in playing a warrior, yet able to excel in it, even perform better than their main previous professions. this could also be interpreted as, the warrior is a very newbie friendly profession.
4. since many your friends are experienced sPvP players, it is natural that they do well with the warrior profession.
5. from another perspective, their main professions could use some buffs, maybe?
hmmm?
my original “argument” being:
healing signet does not make casual warriors godlike or down right impossible to kill, but simply harder to kill, so based on that logic, healing signet is not overpowered.
Take your time. As long as all the data is before the Dec. 10th patch, you’re golden. Good luck.
Cheers.
okay, got it.
deadline is 10 dec 2013 !!!
Just try rerolling a mesmer and go tpvp while you never used it before, even with 4k tpvp matches on your back with other classes…see what happens..that’s the difference.
I will defend skyhammer to the death… some people run a build that just fits perfectly with the map, and do great. Others, run glassy builds with 0 sustain and get punished, sorry, its true ;/. But what is stopping everyone else from using the same tactics? are there monsters under your bed that come out and eat you if you use a mesmer with a focus on skyhammer? because that is some serious kitten, and you need to call the police.
Oh yes if i get skyhammer in soloq i get my bunker guardian, put hallowed ground and hammer on and start banish ppl to death at cannon…is it effective? Yes. Is it fun? No. Is it skillfull playing? Oh god…no.
…this map is just kitten, istant death mechanic is kitten and should be removed at least from tpvp (Even better if completely deleted) no matter if you can win it or not.
It doesn’t take skill to kik someone without stability to his death…no matter if you’re the one kiking them down or the one who got kittend. Many here seems to think “I’m so good cause i fear/kb ppl down and you all suck because positioning and kitten” Sorry…but i’m actually one of those sending ppl down there…and i could definately say it doesn’t require skills…at all. I do it, even 1vs2 since i have a ton of stability and could keep up vs 2 there with bunker because i don’t need to deal damage…. it’s needed to win…but it’s still lame, not fun and cheap.
those really good ones. can really survive 2 versus 1 and then run away when needed to be.
You’re right…really good ones are supposed to be good (When they nerfed it every single random scrub rerolled ele and could stay alive vs 2 while roaming everywhere with pretty much no counters)…atm ppl can just reroll a war with NO experience on it (Many friends did while i’m not going for it cause i never went fotm and never will) being even MORE effective than with their main class with thousands of tpvp matches on it…and yes, this is called being op.
OP warrior opening threads to explain why war is not op.
Reminds me crazy op eles months ago trying to explain how ele was fine because they wanted to continue “hurr durr i do what i want and you can’t stop me even if i’m bad as kitten”
War atm is almost as stupid as ele was months ago…and looking at casuals straight from pve rocking around facerolling ppl just spamming stuff not even knowing what are they doing is more than enough to invalidate every possible point defending wars..8vs8 hotjoin proves nothing, gw2 pvp must be balanced around tpvp…i can kill 3 or 4 alone with pu mesmer in hotjoin, but in tpvp i’m not even trying to go with dat cause it’s completely unuseful…problem with wars is that you can easily faceroll ppl and still being effective in teams…if wars weren’t so effective in tournaments while being played randomly noone would give a kitten to them..
You guys seem to think only the fighting skills you enjoy are worthy of respect and value.
Let people play how they like.
Some people like a class where they have more time to think about larger strategies and less about micro-managing a fight mechanic.
Some people like Street Fighter. Others like chess.
Spirit rangers are not street fighter since they hide behind ai and for sure not chess cause…well…chess require brains…so what’s your point? I would say street fighter d/p thief/double arcane ele and chess mesmer (Shatter since is the only decent build for tpvp, don’t care about stupid 1vs1 crap like phantasm and pu)/engi…but for sure ranger (And mm necro) are not included in those examples..
He said virtue of resolve… How are you still comparing all these classes heals to guardian’s SECOND heal? o.O Virtue of resolve is the F2 button…
I’m comparing them to show how guardian heal skills are arguably worse than those with similar functionalities from other classes, so passive virtue of resolve is not as powerful as it may seem at first glance.
It doesn’t matter at all if it’s a second heal or not. Exaggerating, if a class has access to a couple of 2k heals while others have just a 4k single one, the healing output is the same.
So you are trying to say that guardian should get way better regen or what. make a point
Of course. Warrior should never out regen guardian.
It’s pretty obvious…i can’t kill ppl with bunker guardian if i spec for that regen from virtue of resolve, because i would be with cleric and i would deal around 350 dmg autoattack not even enough to kill kyhlo’s barrels…now compare that to a warrior running hs regen+hambow spamming 3-4k 24/7. /thread
I think the most peculiar thing is, why people play these boring builds. But I guess, the thirst for winning is greater than they joy of playing.
Not only that…many out here play cheese build because they won’t do kitten with something requiring some sort of skills…why losing because you can’t play if you can win spamming random stuff? And trust me…there are many in so called “top” ladder positions too..
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