Just repop your aegis up with guardian and then shield 5…90% times that thief is sitting on the ground plain visible now (Their stealth goes away in seconds unless he was under shadow refuge, but if you see sr somewhere you must be ready for it, line of warding, dodges, hammer 5 and so on)…or if you run focus offhand your 5 is more than enough to screw their burst up not even moving a finger..
Good far point assaulter engis are always been a pain in the kitten , forcing you to backup home in order to get your point back since they have tons of knockbacks and won’t die 1vs1…they will eventually decap even a bunker guardian in a decent time if they play good, you won’t die but you lost already and again you’ll need backup losing ppl from somewhere else…real problem is the insane amount of knockbacks + immobilize forcing you outside point rather than their raw healing (But they don’t need it buffed too)…they’re bunker after all and they’re supposed to hold 1vs1 for a really long time…but all those knockbacks are still a pain..the only “engi proof” point atm is gy…everything else is way too easy to decap with an engi atm if you don’t run every single stability you can just in order to counter it (Losing other important stuff leaving room for other specs to get you)
Bunker guard’s point of view…with shatter mesmer and no stability you can’t even try to defend home vs decap engi, just wasting your time…
Just make lord not killable by ANY solo spec (Like high regen and condition removal..) and it’s fine..rushing lord with many players always leads to an high risk\high reward leaving points freecap and it’s ok how it is imo…some ranged classes above gates would be nice too (For the same anti-solo reason..pets bringing gates down? Come on..)
Usually bads are the first ones to rage…countless times i got and still get whispers like “Hacker, cheater, noob mesmer, go play a proper class (Even from rangers and warriors rofl) and many more..” after killing someone badly in hotjoin (And almost always in hotjoin, not in tpvp where ppl are way more educated)…well…maybe after trolling them for some time too (You can’t resist trolling wars just swinging hammer around and eating shatters like peanuts) and at the end of the match they revealed to be all pve heroes just raging their badness out…i got many asking for tips too and i always been glad to answer, believe me as far as i know you’re more likely going to be insulted by noobs cause good players are (usually) pretty open to help new ones.. lb\hammer wars, spirit rangers and crap like that is noskill kitten no dubt, but there’s no point insulting them…you can troll them all day, you can gank them..but there’s no reason to personally insult someone, even more new players who obviously go for the best low risk\high reward specs around…once they eventually get better they will realize by themselves it was just lame…my opinion anyway…the only ones to insult are those from anet who let those unskilled specs going…many ppl will always go for the shorter way to cookies if they have a chance to do it..giving them those chances is the real mistake…
Anyway stardard answer for bads raging at you is “<3” they get mad…xD
Qpoints for winners were fine…but they obviously changed the system for a more “casual friendly” (lol) rewarding qpnts even when losing…so ppl went farming like mad kittens and got their title anyway….you’re bad? No problem…just farm and exploit more..use brains anet for god’s sake..
Based on past changes and Anet’s general nerf policy I would strongly advise against stockpiling chests.
Most players in PvE can tell you at least one story of how they stockpiled something for weeks/months only to have it nerfed into oblivion before they could open it. The most recent examples are the gauntlet bags and the champion boxes.
Players lost out on 100’s of gold in loot and coin by stockpiling chests. Take my advice, open them now.
Oh well they can delete chest already, noone gives a kitten bout chests…
This Tuesday we’ll be removing the Halloween rewards and replacing them with double match win reward chests.
I strongly suggest you take advantage of this while you can.
YEAH!!! More crap for everyone! Already have like 400+ unopened chest (Probably more i don’t even look at them anymore since months) so tell me…is this supposed to make some sort of difference? Just more worthless chests, not even worth the time it takes to open….along with dat glory…
but most of your explanations were biased, offensive and insubstantial.
the best guy who intelligently answered my question was jcbroe. he was unbiased, respectful and straight to the facts. i hope more players are like him in gw2.
Actually most people on this thread were straightforward and honest.
Also, it’s funny that you call me arrogant when you admit to not actually playing tournaments (in other words, you don’t structured pvp). Why do you consider yourself qualified to comment on the efficacy of builds for tournament play if you don’t even participate?
In addition, I understand you need people like jcbroe to sugarcoat the truth so you can preserve your fragile dueling ego, but most people aren’t going to care about that when responding to your post.
Even Symbolic comes on here (who is a skilled player and probably was one of the best, if not the best rangers) and tells you straight up that ranger is easy to play and you ignore him and carry on willfully ignoring any post that actually factually points out why spirit ranger is easy to play.
Symbolic also said that while ranger is an easy mode class spirit ranger is braindead even compared to others already easy ranger specs…or you forgot to read that part?
Anyway i’m off from this circus…bads riding fotm trying to convince others it actually requires skills…same old story since crazy bunker eles were around. Next patch all those ppl are just going to migrate to the next fotm cheese spec…and again…and again…this game is just hopeless atm…and someone still talkin’ bout esports here and there…seriously? Esports? Please…
you can try to look for me at duel arenas. i spend most of my time there btw. i’m not saying i’m a pro at 1v1 but i’ve been spending a lot of time dueling.
duel arenas? so you’re going vs “bunker guardians” in those so called “duel arenas” …ok…i give up…nothing more to say
i say that we all need to respect other professions/builds. i see people cry OP every time they get beaten and they would lash out mean words, when they could have chosen a different route to survive.
I tried spirit ranger too and guess what? When i kill someone good after an intense fight with mesmer it usually ends up with gg, nice play and so on (Same if i get killed by someone playing skillfully) but when i went for a couple of runs with spirit ranger i still killed ppl (With no effort and not even knowing wtf i was doing, not even skill’s effects..just spamming and that’s it) but i felt dumb playing something so facepalm op and for sure noone whispered me “nice fight” cause i was winning versus way way more skilled ppl (Compared to me on freakin ranger) just because of my build…
After some runs i obviously deleted spirit ranger..i’d rather lose playing my class good than winning just mashing my keyboard while facerolling pretty much everything around just beacuse of the build i’m running…as i said before spirit ranger doesn’t even have a skill floor\ceiling..you’re just another spirit ranger, playing it is so easy then there’s no way to play it bad..
i don’t believe you. you are obviously lying. i don’t get it why people like you are allowed to post some BS just to prove their point.
yup i know it’s hard to believe that someone actually dislikes dumb specs and winning without skills…so far i know many who don’t want to play spirit ranger cause it’s dumb and boring sticking to “almost out of meta” specs just because they’re fun to play and only rewarding if you play good but we’re probably playing with different ppl…anyway i bet noone you killed ever pm’ed you “nice fight, you’re really good” while playing spirit ranger…am i wrong?
there were some warriors and guardians who complimented me after i beat them 1v1. you’re just one of those few people who lack any sense of sportsmanship.
Yeah..warriors..and really high ranked i suppose..obviously assuming you’re talking about tpvp how the kitten did a bunker guardian manage to lose vs a spirit ranger 1vs1 it’s beyond me btw..
And believe me i’m the first saying gg to someone who gets me because he’s playing good..many eles, engis, other mesmers..even thieves…but there’s no way to meet a skilled spirit ranger cause, as i said many times, it doesn’t require skills..
then you were obviously bluffing when you said that you tried to play a spirit ranger because any decent spirit ranger can easily destroy a bunker guardian. please stop lying and start making substantial arguments.
Never got downed by a spirit ranger once with bunker guardian…you can keep up for more than one minute if you’re just decent…
try a spirit ranger wearing soldier amulet instead of those who wear carrion or settler. a spirit ranger with a soldier amulet has 3.1 k attack 2.9 k damage and 24.5 k hp. do you even know that?
And you know that power is the worst way to go vs any bunker right? And hp are meaningless, you will never die vs a bunker guard..but if you can’t decap you already lost..
I have to ask you a question..what rank are you? Just curiosity..
i’m rank 40.
So we definately play with different ppl i guess..
I haven’t played in a while so i’m used to guardians typically playing with triple shouts(Dbl Shout & Sanc), dunno how good purging flames is.
Just give it a try..you can drop save yourselves for it and you get a really nice aoe cond removal + less condition duration on a reasonable cd (If traited) …and save yourselves is just a “Kill Me” neon sign for every necro running corrupt boon around atm >.<
Spirit rangers can kill bunker guardians eventually, it just takes a very long time or a bad bunker guardian. This is done mainly by abusing weaponswap sigils, poison/burning and storm spirit though.
Purging flames with traited consecrations ftw xD They’re not even close to fast condition restack like necros and engis imo…thanks god again…
i say that we all need to respect other professions/builds. i see people cry OP every time they get beaten and they would lash out mean words, when they could have chosen a different route to survive.
I tried spirit ranger too and guess what? When i kill someone good after an intense fight with mesmer it usually ends up with gg, nice play and so on (Same if i get killed by someone playing skillfully) but when i went for a couple of runs with spirit ranger i still killed ppl (With no effort and not even knowing wtf i was doing, not even skill’s effects..just spamming and that’s it) but i felt dumb playing something so facepalm op and for sure noone whispered me “nice fight” cause i was winning versus way way more skilled ppl (Compared to me on freakin ranger) just because of my build…
After some runs i obviously deleted spirit ranger..i’d rather lose playing my class good than winning just mashing my keyboard while facerolling pretty much everything around just beacuse of the build i’m running…as i said before spirit ranger doesn’t even have a skill floor\ceiling..you’re just another spirit ranger, playing it is so easy then there’s no way to play it bad..
i don’t believe you. you are obviously lying. i don’t get it why people like you are allowed to post some BS just to prove their point.
yup i know it’s hard to believe that someone actually dislikes dumb specs and winning without skills…so far i know many who don’t want to play spirit ranger cause it’s dumb and boring sticking to “almost out of meta” specs just because they’re fun to play and only rewarding if you play good but we’re probably playing with different ppl…anyway i bet noone you killed ever pm’ed you “nice fight, you’re really good” while playing spirit ranger…am i wrong?
there were some warriors and guardians who complimented me after i beat them 1v1. you’re just one of those few people who lack any sense of sportsmanship.
Yeah..warriors..and really high ranked i suppose..obviously assuming you’re talking about tpvp how the kitten did a bunker guardian manage to lose vs a spirit ranger 1vs1 it’s beyond me btw..
And believe me i’m the first saying gg to someone who gets me because he’s playing good..many eles, engis, other mesmers..even thieves…but there’s no way to meet a skilled spirit ranger cause, as i said many times, it doesn’t require skills..
then you were obviously bluffing when you said that you tried to play a spirit ranger because any decent spirit ranger can easily destroy a bunker guardian. please stop lying and start making substantial arguments.
Never got downed by a spirit ranger once with bunker guardian…you can keep up for more than one minute if you’re just decent…
try a spirit ranger wearing soldier amulet instead of those who wear carrion or settler. a spirit ranger with a soldier amulet has 3.1 k attack 2.9 k damage and 24.5 k hp. do you even know that?
And you know that power is the worst way to go vs any bunker right? And hp are meaningless, you will never die vs a bunker guard..but if you can’t decap you already lost..
I have to ask you a question..what rank are you? Just curiosity..
i say that we all need to respect other professions/builds. i see people cry OP every time they get beaten and they would lash out mean words, when they could have chosen a different route to survive.
I tried spirit ranger too and guess what? When i kill someone good after an intense fight with mesmer it usually ends up with gg, nice play and so on (Same if i get killed by someone playing skillfully) but when i went for a couple of runs with spirit ranger i still killed ppl (With no effort and not even knowing wtf i was doing, not even skill’s effects..just spamming and that’s it) but i felt dumb playing something so facepalm op and for sure noone whispered me “nice fight” cause i was winning versus way way more skilled ppl (Compared to me on freakin ranger) just because of my build…
After some runs i obviously deleted spirit ranger..i’d rather lose playing my class good than winning just mashing my keyboard while facerolling pretty much everything around just beacuse of the build i’m running…as i said before spirit ranger doesn’t even have a skill floor\ceiling..you’re just another spirit ranger, playing it is so easy then there’s no way to play it bad..
i don’t believe you. you are obviously lying. i don’t get it why people like you are allowed to post some BS just to prove their point.
yup i know it’s hard to believe that someone actually dislikes dumb specs and winning without skills…so far i know many who don’t want to play spirit ranger cause it’s dumb and boring sticking to “almost out of meta” specs just because they’re fun to play and only rewarding if you play good but we’re probably playing with different ppl…anyway i bet noone you killed ever pm’ed you “nice fight, you’re really good” while playing spirit ranger…am i wrong?
there were some warriors and guardians who complimented me after i beat them 1v1. you’re just one of those few people who lack any sense of sportsmanship.
Yeah..warriors..and really high ranked i suppose..obviously assuming you’re talking about tpvp how the kitten did a bunker guardian manage to lose vs a spirit ranger 1vs1 it’s beyond me btw..
And believe me i’m the first saying gg to someone who gets me because he’s playing good..many eles, engis, other mesmers..even thieves…but there’s no way to meet a skilled spirit ranger cause, as i said many times, it doesn’t require skills..
then you were obviously bluffing when you said that you tried to play a spirit ranger because any decent spirit ranger can easily destroy a bunker guardian. please stop lying and start making substantial arguments.
Never got downed by a spirit ranger once with bunker guardian…you can keep up for more than one minute if you’re just decent…i don’t even want to know how bad are those bunkers you met, there are few specs that can solo a guardian in a reasonable amount of time..and no, spirit ranger is not one of those, you can’t even decap a decent bunker with that..thanks god…you can do already too much with that braindead spec..
i say that we all need to respect other professions/builds. i see people cry OP every time they get beaten and they would lash out mean words, when they could have chosen a different route to survive.
I tried spirit ranger too and guess what? When i kill someone good after an intense fight with mesmer it usually ends up with gg, nice play and so on (Same if i get killed by someone playing skillfully) but when i went for a couple of runs with spirit ranger i still killed ppl (With no effort and not even knowing wtf i was doing, not even skill’s effects..just spamming and that’s it) but i felt dumb playing something so facepalm op and for sure noone whispered me “nice fight” cause i was winning versus way way more skilled ppl (Compared to me on freakin ranger) just because of my build…
After some runs i obviously deleted spirit ranger..i’d rather lose playing my class good than winning just mashing my keyboard while facerolling pretty much everything around just beacuse of the build i’m running…as i said before spirit ranger doesn’t even have a skill floor\ceiling..you’re just another spirit ranger, playing it is so easy then there’s no way to play it bad..
i don’t believe you. you are obviously lying. i don’t get it why people like you are allowed to post some BS just to prove their point.
yup i know it’s hard to believe that someone actually dislikes dumb specs and winning without skills…so far i know many who don’t want to play spirit ranger cause it’s dumb and boring sticking to “almost out of meta” specs just because they’re fun to play and only rewarding if you play good but we’re probably playing with different ppl…anyway i bet noone you killed ever pm’ed you “nice fight, you’re really good” while playing spirit ranger…am i wrong?
there were some warriors and guardians who complimented me after i beat them 1v1. you’re just one of those few people who lack any sense of sportsmanship.
Yeah..warriors..and really high ranked i suppose..obviously assuming you’re talking about tpvp how the kitten did a bunker guardian manage to lose vs a spirit ranger 1vs1 it’s beyond me btw..
And believe me i’m the first saying gg to someone who gets me because he’s playing good..many eles, engis, other mesmers..even thieves…but there’s no way to meet a skilled spirit ranger cause, as i said many times, it doesn’t require skills..
i say that we all need to respect other professions/builds. i see people cry OP every time they get beaten and they would lash out mean words, when they could have chosen a different route to survive.
I tried spirit ranger too and guess what? When i kill someone good after an intense fight with mesmer it usually ends up with gg, nice play and so on (Same if i get killed by someone playing skillfully) but when i went for a couple of runs with spirit ranger i still killed ppl (With no effort and not even knowing wtf i was doing, not even skill’s effects..just spamming and that’s it) but i felt dumb playing something so facepalm op and for sure noone whispered me “nice fight” cause i was winning versus way way more skilled ppl (Compared to me on freakin ranger) just because of my build…
After some runs i obviously deleted spirit ranger..i’d rather lose playing my class good than winning just mashing my keyboard while facerolling pretty much everything around just beacuse of the build i’m running…as i said before spirit ranger doesn’t even have a skill floor\ceiling..you’re just another spirit ranger, playing it is so easy then there’s no way to play it bad..
i don’t believe you. you are obviously lying. i don’t get it why people like you are allowed to post some BS just to prove their point.
yup i know it’s hard to believe that someone actually dislikes dumb specs and winning without skills…so far i know many who don’t want to play spirit ranger cause it’s dumb and boring sticking to “almost out of meta” specs just because they’re fun to play and only rewarding if you play good but we’re probably playing with different ppl…anyway i bet noone you killed (And even less a good player) ever pm’ed you “nice fight, you’re really good” while playing spirit ranger…am i wrong?
i say that we all need to respect other professions/builds. i see people cry OP every time they get beaten and they would lash out mean words, when they could have chosen a different route to survive.
I tried spirit ranger too and guess what? When i kill someone good after an intense fight with mesmer it usually ends up with gg, nice play and so on (Same if i get killed by someone playing skillfully) but when i went for a couple of runs with spirit ranger i still killed ppl (With no effort and not even knowing wtf i was doing, not even skill’s effects..just spamming and that’s it) but i felt dumb playing something so facepalm op and for sure noone whispered me “nice fight” cause i was winning versus way way more skilled ppl (Compared to me on freakin ranger) just because of my build…
After some runs i obviously deleted spirit ranger..i’d rather lose playing my class good than winning just mashing my keyboard while facerolling pretty much everything around just beacuse of the build i’m running…as i said before spirit ranger doesn’t even have a skill floor\ceiling..you’re just another spirit ranger, playing it is so easy then there’s no way to play it bad..
I queued extremely carefully for a while and got pretty high on the leaderboards, but it was too much work. I had to not play when top teams were syncing; I had to not play in off-hours; I had to not play on Friday nights (WvW resets); I had to not play during outside events (like the 2v2 tournament). I had to play cheap on skyhammer, and I had to run whatever would counter warriors (or necros, a couple months ago).
After a while, I just figured I had achieved the highest rank I should expect out of the current system, so I stopped caring. I did drop quite a bit, but that’s all right. With the new matchmaking coming, solo queue should be way better. I’ll probably try to get my rank up again after the new system comes in, especially if ranks are reset. That would be pretty cool.
I just want to emphasize this quote that the current ladder mechanics encourage NOT PLAYING in many scenarios over playing, which is pretty stupid.
Right. I’m expecting things to be 10x better after the next patch, but I’m basically putting that information out as a way of saying a reset would be nice, and giving rewards for the top X solo queue places at this point would not be wise.
Rewards for exploiting with sinc…well i wouln’t be surprised after all i guess
Just compare spirit ranger with the positioning you need as mesmer, the mechanics of engineer or the twitch reflexes you need as d/p thief.
you need to flank as a ranger to inflict bleed. don’t you know that? flanking involves good positioning too. thank you.
More likely just keep spamming autoattack while he’s trying to get away from it and you’re gonna land your bleeds anyway, because, you know…not everyone can dodge forever…
wew! this thread has become a battle of who is a better player.
i did try to roll a power ranger in a really long time. i must say that it doesn’t take skill as much as a spirit ranger. with a power build, you dps from a distance helping the tankers to take down the enemies quickly and with a spirit ranger, you become one of those tankers, absorbing all the damage while supporting the other bunkers.
all i wanna know is what makes other class/build more skilled to play than a spirit ranger.
Not having pets and spirits playing for you first of all and being able to run a bunker spec that actually deals pretty high damage too…just take a shatter mez, a dps ele or an engi and look at how many skills they have to use in order to just keep up with a spirit ranger…then look at how many skills (Outside autoattack and random dodges) he actually uses in order to fight back and even winning vs those classes…you’ll see by yourself
Btw if you need to ask what makes spirit rangers a braindead spec you probably never went tpvp running something outside it…or just trolling…
i think that video was made before ele’s were buffed a little. you can’t do that with an ele anymore. i see them getting a little tougher nowadays. btw, the ranger on that video pushed the same # of keys to defeat the ele: lb#4 lb#1 utility (storm active) and f2 with the pet. it just happened that the ele facetanked the storm spirit’s active twice, first was when the ranger activated it and second was when it got killed while the ele was within the range of its damage.
you guys are just being arrogant dissing something you don’t even understand. no offense meant.
Ok let’s do this way..just post a video where a spirit ranger actually uses his skills like any mesmer\ele\engi\(Not s\d) thief…you just have an example there with ostrich, just find a spirit ranger playing his class like that (And no number of skills used is irrelevant if you just randomly spam them)…i brought you a video, now it’s your turn to show us how much skill is needed to play spirit, or do you really think that oneshotting someone with an auto-activating trait requires more skill than a monkey peeling a banana? And no dps eles are not getting harder to kill, you just met someone running more bunker traits and don’t worry..he’s not going to kill you for sure..more likely he’s gonna die anyway while you’re still spamming random stuff
wew! this thread has become a battle of who is a better player.
i did try to roll a power ranger in a really long time. i must say that it doesn’t take skill as much as a spirit ranger. with a power build, you dps from a distance helping the tankers to take down the enemies quickly and with a spirit ranger, you become one of those tankers, absorbing all the damage while supporting the other bunkers.
all i wanna know is what makes other class/build more skilled to play than a spirit ranger.
Not having pets and spirits playing for you first of all and being able to run a bunker spec that actually deals pretty high damage too…just take a shatter mez, a dps ele or an engi and look at how many skills they have to use in order to just keep up with a spirit ranger…then look at how many skills (Outside autoattack and random dodges) he actually uses in order to fight back and even winning vs those classes…you’ll see by yourself
I’m just defending infantrydiv from being called bad by some guy who thinks he’s hot kitten on the forums when in reality he’s a terrible and biased player, lol. I really couldn’t give a kitten what you think about me. The mere fact you’re responding is fun and entertaining, so thanks! =)
I’m only responding hoping you respond cause it is fun, I’ve not had good forum fight in a while.
You think I’m a bad player.
I know your a bad player.
Round 2….
And WE know noone actually gives a single kitten….btw being a good or bad player with spirit ranger is almost impossible, since you just have to dodge and keep spirits up you won’t meet good or bad spirit rangers…it’s just…another spirit ranger, you don’t even look at his name, it’s like drawing a line in paint, it can’t be done good or bad, it’s so basic that there’s not even a skill floor\ceiling, and that’s sad…and should be sad for those who actually play it too..
The PvP Team’s main focus is improving the infrastructure of PvP – meaning features, rewards, etc.
So it’s basically their fault if we have that kittening ton of worthless glory and no money….give us their pictures so we can make some nice dartboards with them..
If you want AOE CC, bring a hammer. If you want burst or DPS, bring an axe or a greatsword.
No one weapon to rule them all…what’s up anet? Ladder reset and now this…are you finally starting to do things the right way?…probably the first time i say this: “Good Job”
Id honestly like to know how many PvP’rs have been lost over this fiasco.. I personally know of 3..
4-5 more here…i started going pug alone myself in teamq time ago and i don’t care bout ladder, there’s not even a ladder atm..noone looks at it, just have fun..pug alone, play at your best and gg…the only way to go pvp without getting mad at soloq sinc\fotm riders\4 bunkers teams and kitten like that…take it easy and play for the lulz
Bunkers don’t have to be completely stationary imo. Not at all. The guardian bunker for example offers heavy support. Most of the time you’re better off being at whatever ‘big fight’ is going on than sitting at a point doing nothing. This should translate to a solid about of points.
I guess the trick, outside of voice-com TPvP, is knowing when to rotate points.
Infact i said you’re going to be stationary if your team has less mobility and is going for 2 caps, moving guardian is ok if you’re the one who moves faster and you can keep pressure on all points but playing on 2 you’re supposed not to lose any and with a side bunker there’s no reason to move a low mobility bunker guardian..you already have support at side too
How do roamers get more rewards? They get 5 points for top kills or captures?
Cause roamers are always in teamfight while bunkers may stay all time defending a point and even if you stay one minute vs 2 they eventually leave and you get no points for defending…and you get no points for healing and removing conditions (Aside from rez) too while a dps\condition always gets something dealing dmg and killing ppl around…if bunkering alone you may keep a point for one minute vs 2 (30 pnts for your team) and still get no rewards for it..
Well i almost play bunker guard only in those days, you know noone wants to go bunker and since i play more than one class and many others don’t i almost always end up with bunker guard.
Bunker role is not just “absorbing damage” you have many roles all equally important like:
Rez and Stomp: You are the one who can stand still for those 3 seconds without being annihilated by condition\stun\aoe spam and you have stability so stomping and rezzing is your job.
Teamfight control: When you are the bunker into a teamfight you’re probably the one who has more time to safely look around, targeting low hp\priority targets, call for important things like dps on downed targets, rez spirit interrupts, ppl disengaging and so on..
Overall control: When not in teamfight and if opponent team has more roaming power than you and your team plays for two caps bunker guardian usually ends up on one point (Mid 90% of the time) and when you’re there your main role is to tell your mates how are they moving and where (Great example is forest, you can see both base’s exits and know where are they going before they actually get there). Many bunkers just sit there going semi-afk while you should always be aware bout everything happening on the map (Not only on your point) keeping your mates aware too in order to give them an advantage.
And at the end of the day, even with new reward modes, you end up with not so many points…average 60-80 i would say (But even less if you play 2 caps sitting on one), i know roamer will always get more rewards but i think it’s time to start rewarding tactical roles too…because you know you don’t just sit there doing nothing all time (Or at least it shouldn’t be like that) and just because you don’t go around ganking ppl it doesn’t mean you’re not doing anything for the team..but i also know that rewarding “background” work isn’t so staight as rewarding kills and caps…but it definately must be rewarded somehow..
decent combat system? did you even play gw1? seriously? you couldnt even jump or dodge in that game, it was point click and cast like the old mmos, troll post?
WvW isn’t even PvP and I don’t understand how you people can actually think it is…. You are hitting doors or walls over 90% of the time. It is a giant mob attacking a keep while another giant mob tries to keep the keep. It is a joke.
It doesn’t take much skill to roll a group of 20 when you have 50+.
This
Because jumping into the pit or pressing 1 aoe button in 8×8 is surely awesome PvP and require mad skill, totally deserving reward in the form of titles and finishers, right?
Infact those who went from r10-20 to 50+ farming skyhammer are another problem that aready gives even less value to legit pvp ranks for those who play pvp since start and have thousands of tpvp on their back..and noone is supporting it too..and btw most of those farmers are actually wvsw zergers looking for cool pvp finishers for cheap…and obviously too bad to get them in a legit way..
As usual (Pretty tired bout writing always same things) you CAN’T make a pvp game for esports AND casuals….casual friendly is the opposite of competitive so you must pick one and forget the other already anet. Stop trying to please everyone cause you’ll just end up screwing up both competitive and casual players..just let casual stick to pve and focus on competitive pvp (tpvp) or just get rid of tournaments already and lose (the few) competitive players who are still here…
Some huge lags too..last night 3 out of 5 ppl were lagging and opponents complained bout lag too. Is it possible that EVERY single patch we start lagging and dc like kitten in pvp? I mean…every. single. patch.
WvW isn’t even PvP and I don’t understand how you people can actually think it is…. You are hitting doors or walls over 90% of the time. It is a giant mob attacking a keep while another giant mob tries to keep the keep. It is a joke.
It doesn’t take much skill to roll a group of 20 when you have 50+.
Ark, I think youre just a little delusional. You should try getting into some WvW ‘skill zerg’…. I know how that sounds, but its actually pretty fun getting a large group of people coordinated, and properly using things like combo fields.
Yes, I understand anyone can walts into WvW and just group up with a bunch of people running the usual gimmicks, but a WvW skill zerg takes more coordination than just 5 people rotating capture points. This is why I could care less if they give finishers to people in WvW… some of them are actually good players! They just decided to go HAM in a different aspect of the game.
I’m from safarer’s rest and my guild is more likely wvsw than pvp…i got in sometimes and you find yourself running around/hitting doors for hours and you still need to go pve in order to get golds, foods, ascended stuff and kitten…plus going 30vs30 or even more really seems unskilled to me…it’s way easier to play with another 19 ppl around than in tpvp…and don’t forget crazy crit dmg, runes, aoes, buffs and so on…i tried i swear…but i just..hate it, maybe it’s because i’m from gw1 pvp and wvsw is pretty much an abomination for someone used gvg/ha…anyway my opinion…many ppl going wvsw so it must be fun in some way, but i just can’t find it xD
Mainhand sword 2 deserved a nerf due to its braindead “out of jail” spam but i think good thieves would still be able to use it effectively and 33% faster init recharge it’s definately a nice buff….thieves were already good (If played properly not just spamming 2 and 3 all day) before s/d and that kitten must disappear along with many other braindead specs like lb/hammer war and spirit ranger….with condition nerf and init buff you’ll still see thieves around, sure it won’t be as easy as spamming 2 keys all day and is not going to be a must for every pve hero around…but good ones would still be good…and bads are just going to move to the next fotm…as usual
the only thing brainless is people refusing to learn how to deal with it. Nothing in this game takes all that much skill and when we talk warrior its the most straight forward class in the game and those same qualities work against it.
When you see a warrior there’s no surprises, you know exactly what he wants to do and you can approach the fight accordingly. But that’s not happening, people die with full endurance, with long range weapons fighting warriors point blank and ignoring any stances or boons that warrior happens to have running(ie all the people dumping condi on zerker stance warriors).
The hammer was capable of high dmg since launch, the big difference now is that hammer wasn’t popular(gs was all the rage) and a wave of new players that don’t want to learn counters but instead want to call for nerfs.
The sad part is that Dec 11 the forums will be full of a whole new batch of nerf threads featuring some other class or mechanic and the cycle will continue because as long as someone doesn’t want to learn how to deal with a build, except that hes being countered, except that he just needs to improve(who doesn’t need to improve?) or that he screwed up the river of tears will continue to flow.
I wasnt OP, everyone else just sucked! Glad to see you’re building a bridge instead of adding tears to the river though oh wait
How can you help someone that just covers there ears and screams OP OP OP. OP is prob the most typed word on these forums. You had a few people that would try to post strats around here and I would try to help people in game but it doesn’t matter because any useful information would get drowned out by the whining. Nothing is never my fault, if it kills me its op.
I’ve played other games with communities that were all about tactics and theory crafting(a lot of fighting games) and your average player was a lot stronger because of it. But look around these forums and its easy to understand why you see so many weaker players running around getting blown up by things people understood how to deal with a year ago. Is it laziness? Is it a weak pvp community? is it the devs? Im gonna go with all the above.
and the great nerfwars rages on.
How can you be heard, when you get a “l2p” as reply (it is just as common as “OP”)?
Seriously … do you recall, back when thieves could instagib someone from 100% due to Mug+CnD+BS? I didn’t really die to that 1vs1 with all my cd’s up .. but as soon, as that changed a tiny bit I was insta-gibbed (on almost every class). Yet many thieves defended that for ages … really (just an example .. could have taken ele’s as well).
If people just acknowledged what was brainless, unfun, etc., it would be a LOT easier to communicate. One would think, that it would be with the easy access to all classes, but it isn’t so: People still feel some class is “their class”, and kitten feels threatened if it is nerfed; hence the bias, hence the rage.
Now … in the next patch I see boonwar … I hope some more classes will be able to boonstrip :-S
Like forsaker already said bunker meta is coming…already getting some 3-4 bunkers teams in tpvp…no wonder after this patch..
you are being facetious towards all other players who are of lesser rank than you, Ark. How did you get rank 60? bet you did a boat load of Hotjoin.
..along with 3k+ tournaments…and actually going pug alone in tpvp rather than hotjoin, after 60 it’s just too long and i already gave up on going for 70 with those rewards and while waiting for ladder reset i just have fun going pug without waiting for team and stuff, sure you lose a lot but it’s way more relaxed and ladder is too kittened up in order to give a kitten to it. Anyway i don’t care bout ranks…that’s why i answered what’s the point bout writing “I got bear” so? If you got bear i got shark…just answering a stupid statement…and btw when i still went tpvp with active team we had two people with tiger way better than many others with bears…but if someone claims his opinion is valid just because he got a bear he deserves the correct answer..
Back to topic it doesn’t matter how long does it take for something in pvp compared to wvsw…finishers are a pvp reward and are meant for pvp players…and since wvsw players are pve they don’t deserve finishers…at least not something pvp related..many already farmed their finisher at skyhammer just to show off in pve (Where pve ppl don’t even know what they are)…i think it’s enough already..don’t you?
