If a build does not win 1v1s against strong opponents or help quickly conclude teamfights in your team’s favor, why run it?
Because leaderboards are kittened up since months ago and noone really give a kitten bout them so many just play what they like……..thanks god, otherwise we would just see wars,necros, spirit rangers and s\d thieves there spamming random kitten all over the place….and please….no
Problem is still the same, dps builds are not getting survivability while cond dmg specs do (Only exception would be d\p thief glass cannon with some survivability due to stealth, but since there’s still broken s\d pressure build aviable nobody is playing it anyway)…both from amulets and traits.
High dmg builds both condition and burst MUST have low survivability, if you spec for survivability as a bunker you should deal almost no dmg (Like bunker guardians) all i see are tanky-crazyregen-permastability-condition immune wars hitting like trains, permadodging rangers oneshotting glass eles (Yeah dat ostrich’s video) and so on….if you deal high damage, any sort of it from burning, to FEAR, to burst, to stacking bleeds spamming autoattack like a braindead you MUST NOT have decent survivability and any other dmg spec should be able to kill you if he plays better…you can’t just trishot a mesmer permastunning it and then tank up other 2 players for 30+ seconds…it’s stupid…and you know it
Funny how all mez specs you’re complaining about are all hotzerg oriented, with 3 self utilities not viable for tpvp for sure (Well mesmer itself is not really viable anyway)…but nvm…keep whining…
What are you talking about?
Now pro-hardcore-kitten mesmers run without stealth in super-duper-leet tPvP?
Like decoy isn’t in pretty much every mesmer bar.
illusion, portal, mirror (needed for shatter) and decoy + elitè…sure..
Funny how all mez specs you’re complaining about are all hotzerg oriented, with 3 self utilities not viable for tpvp for sure (Well mesmer itself is not really viable anyway)…but nvm…keep whining…
Is there still someone thinking more points = better player here? Go play bunker guardian and hold mid for the whole match maybe vs necros, engis and wars making them leave after losing some time…then look at your points and see how bad you are compared to dat s\d thief who just spammed flanking strike on everyone around…
If you’re talking bout hotjoin well..more aoe = more points and if you treb mid for some minutes you’re da best player ever..
I have a better idea…delete both capricorn and skyhammer kitten already and give us two decent maps where it would be fun to play without lame mechanics, water, knockback\fear to win, map exploits and so on….
Wait what? Knockbacks were what made me love this map :/. Situational awareness was something new and much more fun.
Situational awarness with a mesmer with NO STABILITY and no way to have it vs a bomb engi at hammer…situational awarness…right…
Everyone knows it’s really hard to hold a point vs just decent bomb engis (If it’s the best far point assaulter atm there’s a reason) because they just have tons of knockbacks and can decap almost everything knocking you OUT OF POINT
And..OUT OF POINT = DEAD in that stupid map. Oh yes you can stay with your back on the asura gate…so you can’t see kitten because it randomly zooms into you char and the only thing you see is your life going down..
I often delete\make new pvp chars except for 2…so i would lose my rank just because mez is out of meta and i don’t need 3 mesmers with 3 different specs (Gratz anet on not giving us templates like gw1 btw) so i have to delete 2 in order to try something else? I don’t think so…
Sounds more like it’s YOUR problem.
I agree it’s annoying to change builds and not being able to save them, but to dedicate character slots to avoid doing that is beyond lazy.
it’s actually the fastest way to change spec and if you want to use the best one after looking at other team it’s the only way to do it (Not mentioning when your class is just kittend out of meta after some brilliant patch)…or am i supposed to change my traits, runes, weapons and sigils in hom and then get back in 1 minute? Or you have an inventory with every rune\sigil\weapon and you refill them after switching build? I don’t think you even know what i’m talking about, you know, i’m not talking about hotzerg (You don’t need to change kitten to go hotzerg, maybe 1 utility and just roflstomp bads around np)…so well..nvm..
I often delete\make new pvp chars except for 2…so i would lose my rank just because mez is out of meta and i don’t need 3 mesmers with 3 different specs (Gratz anet on not giving us templates like gw1 btw) so i have to delete 2 in order to try something else? I don’t think so…
I’m currently playing as thief and I’m new to this proffesion (still learning) so I got this huge roadblock I need to pass, namely necromancers. How do you take a necromancer out as a thief?
Maybe you aren’t supposed to be able to kill everybody.
I need people to explain how my guardian kills… any other class.
If a thief can’t kill every single class it’s utterly useless because it’s made out of glass. Guardian that can’t kill every single class is still highly in demand and used on every team because it can bunker.
Going off topic, but if the Guardian can’t survive a thief, what’s the point in the Guardian?
You survive by killing the thief. Even bunkers have enough damage to kill a thief.
This is false.
I can kill thieves on my war bunker if they don’t run.
If they manage to die vs a bunker guard it’s not a strong guardian…it’s a braindead thief, and yes i had some killing themselves with retaliation too
Sup guys I’ve been playing wow for the last 4 years and much like every other wow player here…it has gotten stale. I just wanted to know what class is similar to what I’m used to (I joined a feral druid), how competitive this game is (like I really liked arenas; is there anything like that here?), how everyone is enjoying the PvP in this game, and just the the little good to know things about the PvP ….like what is op or kitten…what should I expect
Also I don’t have anyone to play with so if there are any guilds here or just group of people looking for someone let me know!
Thanks
Stunlock warrior, fear spam necro, spirit ranger or s/d thief…have fun facerolling almost everything passing by with no effort.
This has been talked to the death since day 1, last year. The developers have posted several times how the new system will be awesome and how they cannot talk too much about it
Well?
It has been seriously an year. Are you finally allowed to leak a small bit of information, just to prove you actually are working on it?
Make an AREA in the mists for battle!!! not the whole thing
Replace the ground when u enter the mist , with an Asura see-throught glass and put an Gladiator Arena under that
Put an Ncp that place you into a 1v1 que
In the daily rewards , put a coin that u can particiapate in in that arena for 10 times . After that u have to pay 1 silver per match .
And in weekents put a small 1v1 tournament . with more coins and silver needed to participate
Why would you require PvE currency to enter a PvP gamemode?
Why would you require gems that you can buy only with golds or real money to get pvp arenas….? Nobody ever answered to this…
Will we be able to get those new skins through the pvp chests?
Question as above, we had that last year and I’d appreciate it. Hoping for Dev answer ofc.
So you’re basically asking to get pvp skins while playing pvp only, without going pve for getting them or buying gems?
Yes what is so hard for you to grasp?
It is not hard to get, it is sarcasm as experience showed pvpers never get anything, available in PvE / Itemshop just by playing PvP.
You would think this can easily be solved by increasing just a variable, but who knows maybe it is rocket science and requires a whole team.
Man you still get 2 rank chests popup on x9 rank like tiger+bear at 49 while obviously getting only tiger one…how can you even ask to increase a variable? U mad?
Real question is…why is leaderboard decay…NOT PERMANENT? So ppl actually would have to keep playing instead of going for 1 match a month (Or even less) jumping up again (Even losing that match) like nothing happened?
actions talk louder than words or as benjamin franklin said “well done is better than well said”
one only need to take a look at the time frame from bwe to now and see how bad anet failed.
paid/free epic fail
leaderboard fail
tournaments fail
matchmaking system fail
reward system fail
and this is leaving out balance ,build diversity or game modes and ofc skyhemmer.
so every feature they made so far as failed gg
but hey we have zerg v zerg and i can hit gates and npcs.
You forgot skyhammer with istant death mechanincs (Also putting it into soloq rofl)…and everything related to it
Guys i am afraid that anet will focus now on www , we see new leagues coming , turnaments and things like that , i have felling that anet wont change to much in pvp they just dont care about pvp players,
Will we be able to get those new skins through the pvp chests?
Question as above, we had that last year and I’d appreciate it. Hoping for Dev answer ofc.
So you’re basically asking to get pvp skins while playing pvp only, without going pve for getting them or buying gems?
I love people like you, i just love them, because at the end of the day you’re probably just as “noob” as any pve player out there. The way you wrote that, as if pvp’ers are in some form superior to pve players, it’s pretty sad. I mean, who the hell are you, Chromosome.7498? What have you earned in this game to call anyone “casual noob boy”?
All you people that say stuff like “hurr durr pve heroes” are just but hurt for some reason and like to make fun of people who pve, as if pvp’ing makes you better and more knowledgeable of the game on its own.
I still can’t see nothing for pvp into this fancy glittering update page, only stuff that actually belongs to pve heroes…so let’s just wait for patch notes and save insults for later…
Maybe we can get a jack-o-lantern in the Heart of the Mists to liven it up.
Yeah, lets have the Mad King just telling jokes in the Mist!
Two quaggans were walking in a cow pasture. The first turns to the second and says, “Foo.” The other replies, “Cows say moo.” The first looks down at his flippers and says, “No, foo. Poo.”
“Scare your friends with the new spooky Mad King PvP weapon skins!”
“PvP maps are now haunted! Mad King decorations have been added to all stages!”
;-)
EDIT (forgot the obvious one): “Get the new Mad King finisher for a limited time only for an obscene amount of gems!”
No please…seriously…no… ‘nough stupid pumpkins last time while still getting bugs everywhere…we don’t care bout kittening pve glittery stuff..
I still can’t see nothing for pvp into this fancy glittering update page, only stuff that actually belongs to pve heroes…so let’s just wait for patch notes and save insults for later…
I just tried sPvP for the first time last night – lemme tell ya, it’s awesome!
So I woke-up, did my business, and got super excited for round two. I was feeling pretty great because I usually placed top of my team and I’m new-ish (I dabbled in WvW for the last week).
So I said “pffft… servers are for chumps, let’s do tournaments!!!!!!”
first match… 500 – 100-ish… we lost… I had almost all the points for our side
second match… 500 – 125-ish… we lost… I had almost all the points for our side
third match… 500 – 157… closest I’ve come to winning… I was second most points on our side
then… fourth match… 500 – 35, I had the most points (195), and we finally won one!
BY A FRIGGIN LANDSLIDE
in fact, all the matches I played today were super-extra-positively landslides
now… this is day one of PvP ranked arena for me, but what in the sam kitten is up with this matchmaking!?!?!?
last night when I played for the first time in server browser, it was beyond fun and many of the matches were very close. The PvP ranked arena matchmaking has all the intelligence of a boy with a very large forehead who rides a very short bus
Personal scores mean nothing, a good bunker guardian can keep a point for the whole match ending up with less that 50 pnts cause he won’t kill and he still did his job fine…instead of going in soloq i suggest you to find 4 friends (Or join a pvp guild) and try out tpvp first…at least you can play on ts with ppl you know…if you find someone with some experience in tpvp is even better, you can try soloq later when you already have some exp on what to do and you can eventually try to carry teamates (Well if you get leavers, afkers and really bad ones it’s almost impossible but at least you can try)
If you have questions just ask…spvp forum is here for this too
Sure…playing pvp since start taught me to never think it can’t get worse…it always can, devs are apparently working much on this..from removing gems from tpvp to giving us skyhammer and so on..
but still you are playing, don’t you?
Hope is the last one to die..
Especially after years of GW1 PvP
Exactly…you just keep saying yourself “This is pvp in a game called guild wars…it MUST get better…can’t suck forever…” When you’ve been for something like 7 years on a game you simply don’t want to believe they ruined everything…even if facts say the complete opposite..call it fanboy’s regrets…but that’s it
It’s about time you slap yourself out it. Waiting for Godot is an effort in both futility and frustration, after all.
Glass mesmer is still standalone strong…problem is that meta (fotm) shifted on massive cond spam (necro) and daze,kd,fear (necro and war) so running standard 20 20 0 0 30 shatter mesmer without cond removal and stabilty is no longer viable. Plus you have to consider that almost everyone knows how to avoid a standard shatter combo (leap,diversion,dodge+mirror,mw+bf) and after that you have nothing, even with more “tricky” ones like from stealth or baiting ppl with leap to make target waste his surv skills for delayed shatter don’t assure you to land a good burst anyway…if you mean phantasm mesmer instead it has never been really viable due to team support lack (Mesmer is the main support class along with guard) and aoe spam (lb wars, necros, bomb engis and others) kills phantasms in no time, probably just after first attack…and not being able to keep your phantasms up with phant mez means you’re useless at first and dead seconds later..anyway there are some ideas around involving halting strike, conditions and more tanky specs to try out, just take a look @ mez forum
Also, d/d p/p is probably the worst combination of weapon sets you can take into pvp atm. D/d is a one trick poney and p/p, well, it’s just bad.
If you are new to thieves i’d recommend you to use sword/dagger-shortbow
It should actually be the Hall of Heroes, lore-wise. Another thing they screwed up.
It’s ok…i really don’t want to see something related to hoh into this kitten, that was a great place with many good memories, leave hom as it is…a sad, anonymous place with less ppl everyday…
I’m a PVE player and I just use this area to get to lions arch fast with the portal. So I come to heart of the mists often but I see that there is nobody every there, what is it used for????
For making ppl ask themselves why are they still there instead of playing something else…that’s the main use…and sometimes as a pvp lobby…
Somebody tell me the weakness of this class in this kind of environment?
Blind…
If there’s no guardian cleaning them..otherwise just die and try somewhere else, best counter atm..
Heck, guardian has AoE 10 sec stability, now get out of here, noob. my friend’s DPS guardian can wreck your stun war 1v1 np.
You mean hallowed ground…? \facepalm …and your friend dps guardian may kill dat stun war (And i really dubt it unless dat war is totally dumb on keep trying to kd him on hg) exploding at the first corrupt boon, go try your friend in tpvp…see what happens, noone gives a single kitten to 1vs1 rambo specs, we’re talking about teamwork…go troll somewhere else
Just put a 1 sec “stun immunity” after a stun ends…something like revealed debuff for stealth, this will prevent lame permastuns, stunbreakers are not enough cause long cd and many not viable options, you can’t run 3 breakers just because there are permastun wars around …it doesn’t make any sense..if you need to build up your spec just around ONE spec you may (Well…for sure and even 2 of them) get on the other team there’s something really wrong with that..
Thats not a bad ideia. They would need to rework hammer a little because there are skills that are extremely hard to land on moving targets. But i´m ok with that.
I’m not saying to nerf it to the ground…but they must give a “skilled” way to get out of it, with a 1 sec immunity you can still dodge for example, but in a permastun chain if breaker on cd you’re down…there must be a way, not an easy one for not making hammer useless…but something a good player can use to counter it..and bads will still fall under your hammer as it should be
Just put a 1 sec “stun immunity” after a stun ends…something like revealed debuff for stealth, this will prevent lame permastuns, stunbreakers are not enough cause long cd and many not viable options, you can’t run 3 breakers just because there are permastun wars around …it doesn’t make any sense..if you need to build up your spec just around ONE spec you may (Well…for sure and even 2 of them) get on the other team there’s something really wrong with that..same old story when “omg rtl away and gg valkirie eles” along with bunkers where around with 2 in every team and even 3…
In short words first thing that ruined gw2 is that “casual friendly” mentality imo that kills competitive playing since start. As i said contless times…make this game casual friendly OR competitive…you can’t do both otherwise you’ll end up with this kitten. And from my very own point of view pvp can’t be “for casuals” …pve and wvsw are made for casual players but pvp must be competitive, must require skills (And not just fotm builds and spam) to win and must reward those who win with something actually WORTH the effort you put into going tpvp
Hey , this is our fault (community)
We asked classes to be brought up – buffed > do more dps > be more subtain
Because nerfing things , would make the game not so much enganging or thrilling . :P
Lets see , now they are buffing the <<defensive mechanics>> of each class , if that will do the trick (like warriors whos is a perfect class /no need the team8s help )
And later on when offence countered by defence mechanics , they can freely introduce more fun cookies :P
We also asked for good rewards, more modes, gvg and so on…nerf/buffs are indeeed part of an evolving game, but even if perfectly balanced (And for god’s sake this is NOT) this pvp won’t survive cause would be still boring as kitten…personal opinion anyway…thay can’t wait to perfectly balance this game for introducing new modes cause, as you can see till now, they are not able to balance stuff…at all..old casual vs competitive story..
Sure…playing pvp since start taught me to never think it can’t get worse…it always can, devs are apparently working much on this..from removing gems from tpvp to giving us skyhammer and so on..
but still you are playing, don’t you?
Hope is the last one to die..
Especially after years of GW1 PvP
Exactly…you just keep saying yourself “This is pvp in a game called guild wars…it MUST get better…can’t suck forever…” When you’ve been for something like 7 years on a game you simply don’t want to believe they ruined everything…even if facts say the complete opposite..call it fanboy’s regrets…but that’s it
FYI , but you already know this you just deny it, they called gw2 “gw(2)” because of the lore of the previous game. instead of thinking about “This is pvp in a game called guild wars…it MUST get better…can’t suck forever…” think about “this game should have been called World of Tyria, it has nothing to do with gw1’s gvg&pvp”, then you will see the best way to wait is to stop playing it , come on forum sometimes and understand u did the right choice day by day.
consider it is since february(month i stopped playing) i come here and laugh at this section of the forum. and every day i know that was the best thing i did on this game. you should try..noone force you to play neither to stop playing for a week/month/best patch ever.
I’m already thinking bout a…let’s call it pause..if 15th patch sux, almost lost all hopes (Even from a fanboy’s point of view xD) and as they said this is going to be a big pvp patch…big fixes or big kitten i dunno..but after this I’ll see what to do..last chance to anet for me.
In short words first thing that ruined gw2 is that “casual friendly” mentality imo that kills competitive playing since start. As i said contless times…make this game casual friendly OR competitive…you can’t do both otherwise you’ll end up with this kitten. And from my very own point of view pvp can’t be “for casuals” …pve and wvsw are made for casual players but pvp must be competitive, must require skills (And not just fotm builds and spam) to win and must reward those who win with something actually WORTH the effort you put into going tpvp
Sure…playing pvp since start taught me to never think it can’t get worse…it always can, devs are apparently working much on this..from removing gems from tpvp to giving us skyhammer and so on..
but still you are playing, don’t you?
Hope is the last one to die..
Especially after years of GW1 PvP
Exactly…you just keep saying yourself “This is pvp in a game called guild wars…it MUST get better…can’t suck forever…” When you’ve been for something like 7 years on a game you simply don’t want to believe they ruined everything…even if facts say the complete opposite..call it fanboy’s regrets…but that’s it
Am I the only one that thought PvP got progressively bad and unbalance or are u guys just focusing on the fact that gw1 game modes?
Oh progressively bad and not fun to play for sure AND game modes…
just reroll a warrior, all the cool kids are doing it.
This.
Or a thief, mesmer…
Or wait to the patch notes were will be introduced more counters to CC.
those classes don’t have healing signet.
Thats the point… They dont need one.
Well if i had a 6 secs stun chain with 23+k hp + stability+block maybe i won’t need signet…because i would be op already even without healing signet..
Well if i had DeathShroud, or clones, or stealth, or pets, or protection, or ports, i would not need healing signet either.
Get my clones and my 3 sec stealth on long cd utility for just your base hp pool and stability spam…deal? Oh you can get portal too…so i would finally bring something for me instead of a team support (Or 2 with illusion)…
Clones…yeah…
I know… clones are useless… yeah…
Unless you’re an hotjoin/wvsw hero still fooled by clones…yes…pretty much…would be nice to have burst with only one button like many others without having to set up clones first, oh well you probably don’t even know how shatter combo works so..nvm
The fun thing is that, even when you can’t dodge shatters as a warrior you still survive through this absurd regeneration, because the mesmer can’t upkeep the damage.
‘nough stupid pumpkins last time while still getting bugs everywhere…we don’t care bout kittening pve glittery stuff..