You don’t HAVE to do PvE to get these skins. You do get achievement points from PvP. You just will get them faster if you do both… just like PvErs will get them faster if THEY do PvP dailys too.
I fail to see what all the huff n puff is about, it’s just skins.
I play with a DPS guardian alot and it is really strong. There are several builds out there I expect. They are viable. Greatsword has very high damage for the guardian so I disagree with the poster above
Great damage no dubt…but 15% higher crit chance it’s way better imo and add that to 62% base…ownage, gs probably better for hotjoin mess due to multi pull and whirl…but on a tpvp view i would stick to 1 handed every day
An endless list, but what drives me really crazy is that a tournament player gets nothing back for his uncountable hours of effort he puts in strats etc.
In the past we had the 3-round paid-tournaments, which would have suceeded if A-Net wouldn’t implement such an absurd entry-fee of 5 tickets per player.
So now we have the hotjoin farmers which gain better rewards for mindless farming than the competitive scene. Whoever created such a reward balance in PvP should change his job.
“Play the way you want and earn powerful rewards as you do so!”
This gave me some hope, so I’ll wait untill it’s released before complaining.
So i’m not the only one who read that on release…
Dev’s answer is actually needed i guess, why did you write something and you did the opposite forcing us to go pve in order to get pvp stuff? Cough cough..gems…cough..custom arenas kits…cough cough..
No honor for hotjoin (Just glory and it would be more than enough) seems fair enough to me to discourage farmers…you can even delete all honor from previous hotjoin matches i don’t care
Because they’re terribly predictable, dangerous warriors are those you don’t know what are they going to do…sadly they’re like 5% of the total, and when you dunno what is going to happen it’s way easier to get hit…and they hit hard for sure when they manage to land something (Not hb)..i would say 60% anet fault not to give decent options for a more various playstyle to warriors but 40% fault is warrior player’s for sure…or at least those who just go with the same skill chain everytime no matter what…and that’s the main difference from good and bad mesmers too, pressing a series of keys is a thing…doing it right, at the right time chosing your stuff based on who you’re facing it’s a totally different story..predictable and static rotations may work in hotjoin, but not vs good ppl in tpvp..for sure..
Dunno about necro…but noone is using torment with mesmer…i mean…scepter? Seriously? As i said time ago before patch release noone is gonna ruin the only really viable mesmer build (DPS Shatter) just to get a pretty crappy condition not even worth the time it takes to cast it…dropping sword for scepter so you can put that kitten on someone that is probably going to clean it in seconds? No thanks..
we were being obliterated by obviously far more skilled players.
Working as intended like in every pvp game i suppose…sure matchmaking sux no dubt on this but being outplayed by higher ranks it’s normal, keep going…thay only way to become competitive as a team is to loose vs better teams learning from them. Stomping pugs is fun for sure…but is not gonna teach you something imo…just try to go tpvp during the best time period when more teams are running, you’re going to improve your matchmaking since there is more “choice” around…waiting for a decent ladder/matchmaking system..
To people wondering why exactly fear was added into spectral wall. I think you should probably realize, if some of you did follow the french pvp forum, that we did ask for a fear buff due to condition lack.
But seriously, if you want to ask for a nerf… don’t be ridiculus like this guy.
Edit: Oh also necro’d an old thread about thread like 3 months ago.
I just hit Rank 20 in PvP this afternoon, and…I just wanna say…
“ENOUGH!!!!”
The rank points required for every level of 20~30 is 7500
The rank points required for every level of 30~40 is 15000
and much, much more for rank 40+….
This is a PvP game mode. People should be rewarded for their skills displayed, not just time invested. Right now, it is obvious that the game reward ONLY the players who can commit time.
A player with poorer skills but can play all day long will ALWAYS look cooler than the player that has pro skills but can play for like 1~2 hours a day.
I think this is wrong.
Guild Wars 2 is a game that’s all about gameplay, not grinding. And here, regardless of PvP skills, we all need to grind to eternity in order to get better looking gears in PvP….
“BUT WHY!?”
“JUST STOP!”
Personally, Rank 30 is really the limit i can take.
Anything beyond Rank 40 should be given to players through some other ways.
These are all well-designed cosmetics, trust me, people will grind for them if they have to. But why? Why is Anet forcing PvP players to grind? Isn’t this against the very spirit of Guild Wars 2?
You could put these Bear and Shark gears on tournament matches so people actually can get them by winning tourneys (thus proving they have better skills and deserve to look cooler)
And grinding itself, I can say, takes very little skill. It only takes time.
But I can be mistaken. Grinding for cosmetics is a very bad design in my opinion, but you may disagree.
What do you think about this? Is grinding for cosmetic an acceptable design in PvP?
Too late click is already mindlessly farming for 70
No game has ever done anything about leavers, with few exceptions, that punished the player that left with a couple of minutes of penalty to join. And that’s all you can do…
Leavers are an ever-existing problem of all online games, so you better get used to it.
A GC ele without defensive utility skills is the weakest thing in this whole game. (except for maybe a GC thief who DOESNT use stealth).
If you’re going gc without defensive utilities and stunbreaks you’re basically asking for being bursted down by pretty much every gc on the other team passing by…no matter which class are you playing..
The mesmer can still delay his pull and force players to prediction-dodge for nothing.
Done
im not talking about 1v1 dood.. team fights
Also during temfights you’re not going to blow your combo straight on sight…good mesmers usually delay pull/leap or whatever to make opponents waste dodges/evades/invuln and then shatter at the right time…always fun to leap to an ele, follow him until his mistform ends and then blow everything while he’s sitting duck (But yeah only bad eles go mistform @ the first mesmer leaping at them) this is what is actually meant for “skills” …everyone can push a sequence of keys, not everyone can do it at the right time..
Anyway i play s/p – staff so i don’t give a kitten bout void nerf xD
Well i don’t play necro so i can’t express an opinion on nerfs/buffs but i have to say i don’t really feel necros being so op after patch, probably stronger than before but for sure not so op like crazy bm with insane pet’s crits and pre-nerf eles, not even close..from an “against them” point of view..
This…definately. If you want to go arenas just don’t join guild’s ones..go for standard servers, those arenas are 90% owned by pve heroes just to put their guild name on server list, leave them empty and they’re soon going back to dungeons and arena’s kits are going to die. Problem solved.
Maybe they would understand their mistakes watching their new features failing badly…well probably not, but we must try anyway…if noone from pvp is going to pay a sigle cent until they bring pvp out of beta maybe they would move their azzez…
Stop being a solo player in tournaments and join a team?
You know since it’s kinda a team based part of the game.
This but also start punish leavers too…15 mins ban from pvp, no reset on relog and stacking for next matches left would be a decent solution..
I would agree with this – but there is one major flaw.
The match making system in this game is horrible.
So why should anyone be forced to sit and get farmed by teams or players that or so much higher ranked then them. You learn nothing from those experiences. What that does is basically stop new players from coming into pvp in GW2 due to being frustrated which is the exact opposite of what we all want.
I see no issue with the current setup and IF a time comes when the match making system improves then and only then would I support this.
Well i yoloq much and when i go yolo i know it’s like playing russian roulette (If you end up vs a good premade or with low ranks in team you’re already screwed) but leaving gives you a loss anyway + you left them 4vs5 that is bad, no matter what…so just stay fight and die for sparta
I do think the price is a little steep, and that glory should be able to be used to help negate Arena costs, rather than gold, since PvPers have no steady access to gold.
That said, many of you here are insane. You’re already complaining about having to pay for a feature that hasn’t even existed for ten months, now suddenly it’s a basic feature you’re entitled to… Spoiled. Rotten. Kids.
basic feature: choose who you play against
anet idea: add extra crap & sell for money
you should be able to play a standard game on a map of your choosing, against whomever you choose, and it should never cost you a single dime (or gem)
I really don’t give a rat’s kitten about all the other features, and I don’t care to have an “always-on” arena that anyone can join. To me, this feels like they just trying to get us to pay for hotjoin. hahahahaha They want us to fund RANDOM ARENAS xD
what a joke idea
and all of you suckers even defending it!
New meta paid hotjoin. Let’s zergfest everyone!
Hotjoin is still free. You’re being incredibly shallow and childish, and overreacting… much like a child does.
Let’s debate price-point and features, fine… because Anet IS asking to much, I can agree. But your approach to debate and your arguments are just plain childish and annoying.
Anet is asking too much for pvp arenas, but it’s not my point…my point is about anet asking for something pvp players can’t get without paying real money while pve farmers can, even if they never went pvp in their whole life…seriously can you get it or not? It’s like the third time i explain this…
Oh, we all get your point. It’s just an annoying way to go about making it.
I know that saying “Well it’s not fair and totally nonsense but i’ll pay anyway” would be much less annoying and for sure it’s the answer anet wants from pvp community…but sorry…no. The day they would finally give pvp the same care they already give to pve and wvsw we would talk about paying money for something…but for now…no way.
I do think the price is a little steep, and that glory should be able to be used to help negate Arena costs, rather than gold, since PvPers have no steady access to gold.
That said, many of you here are insane. You’re already complaining about having to pay for a feature that hasn’t even existed for ten months, now suddenly it’s a basic feature you’re entitled to… Spoiled. Rotten. Kids.
basic feature: choose who you play against
anet idea: add extra crap & sell for money
you should be able to play a standard game on a map of your choosing, against whomever you choose, and it should never cost you a single dime (or gem)
I really don’t give a rat’s kitten about all the other features, and I don’t care to have an “always-on” arena that anyone can join. To me, this feels like they just trying to get us to pay for hotjoin. hahahahaha They want us to fund RANDOM ARENAS xD
what a joke idea
and all of you suckers even defending it!
New meta paid hotjoin. Let’s zergfest everyone!
Hotjoin is still free. You’re being incredibly shallow and childish, and overreacting… much like a child does.
Let’s debate price-point and features, fine… because Anet IS asking to much, I can agree. But your approach to debate and your arguments are just plain childish and annoying.
Anet is asking too much for pvp arenas, but it’s not my point…my point is about anet asking for something pvp players can’t get without paying real money while pve farmers can, even if they never went pvp in their whole life…seriously can you get it or not? It’s like the third time i explain this…
I do think the price is a little steep, and that glory should be able to be used to help negate Arena costs, rather than gold, since PvPers have no steady access to gold.
That said, many of you here are insane. You’re already complaining about having to pay for a feature that hasn’t even existed for ten months, now suddenly it’s a basic feature you’re entitled to… Spoiled. Rotten. Kids.
basic feature: choose who you play against
anet idea: add extra crap & sell for money
you should be able to play a standard game on a map of your choosing, against whomever you choose, and it should never cost you a single dime (or gem)
I really don’t give a rat’s kitten about all the other features, and I don’t care to have an “always-on” arena that anyone can join. To me, this feels like they just trying to get us to pay for hotjoin. hahahahaha They want us to fund RANDOM ARENAS xD
what a joke idea
and all of you suckers even defending it!
New meta paid hotjoin. Let’s zergfest everyone! No wonder why pve heroes are so excited..
There are other basic features (Like build saving like gw1) that aren’t still implemented in the game…and it doesn’t mean they’re not basic features, it just means that gw2 pvp is still in beta not even completed, maybe they are going to let you save/load builds for gems too…who knows…we are ready for anything at this point..
Because you want to sit in heart of the mists all day and not support gw2 what so ever is your issue.
And if you sit all day into a pve dungeon and you never went ONCE into heart of the mist you’re still able to get your own PVP (Read carefully again PVP) arena without paying rl money just getting gems from gold while ppl who only play pvp can’t…sounds legit right?
It’s amazing the sense of entitlement people have these days.
A new feature was added – it cost’s money to use.
So – now you have 2 choices:
A) Support this feature and game and pay for the service
B) Don’t
To expect everything for free from a company is ridiculous. At the end of the day Anet has to make money to continue to support this game. They require a profit to keep going. How is this difficult to understand?
I just don’t understand you people anymore….. To date GW2 has probably done the best job at it’s cash shop then any other game on the market so there really isn’t much to complain about.
Again…i expect to pay pvp features with the pvp currency they gave us…paying pvp stuff with golds (Since golds = gems) while glory is still worthless is totally nonsense..and should be reworked asap
There is that word “expect” again.
You should not “expect” anything nor are you entitled to it.
It’s a nice feature that cost’s money. Now while “I” may think the pricing structure is a bit high – it’s still not bad.
If you don’t like what they have done with this option – Don’t buy it. It’s truly as simple as that.
But, in the future I suggest you stop “expecting” anything from anyone.
If i paid for something, and since at game release and during betas they said glory was going to be a currency in s-tpvp world just like golds and karma in pve/wvsw, yes i EXPECT this game to be, at least, as they said it was going to be. If this is a problem for you or for any pve hero around who wants to get everything just because he farms dungeons all day like a mindless chicken, no offence, but i really don’t give a single kitten.
Judgmental a bit aren’t we? You have no idea who I am or what I do in game. Just because I have found severe flaws in your argument there is no need to be so bitter.
I will explain a bit more – You paid for the game. You got the game.
I do not recall anywhere when I purchased GW2 that I was entitled to get any new features – be it cash shop items or new content for free.
Matter of fact i was smart enough to realize at the time of purchase that I would be investing more money in this game for such items.
So instead of acting like a child and demanding things because “you” want them. How about we act grown up and realize if Anet continues to make money they can continue to support and make GW2 a great game. So instead of spending 14-16 dollars a month on a sub I see no issue with spending some money on a arena rental to support this game IF you want your own server.
Crazy concept I know.
I think you didn’t get the point. Read again…i asked to use pvp currency for buying pvp stuff, does it sound so insane to you? This would bring more ppl to pvp too instead of farming mobs and then being able to get stuff while the ones who are in pvp since release can’t afford it cause our currency is worth nothing…again if you are coming from pve and don’t want to put an effort to get something that doesn’t belong to you and just buy it with farmed golds just don’t reply…this topic is not for you (You’re already in the wrong forum’s section). If you actually have a proper brain i think you can easily understand the problem here..
It’s amazing the sense of entitlement people have these days.
A new feature was added – it cost’s money to use.
So – now you have 2 choices:
A) Support this feature and game and pay for the service
B) Don’t
To expect everything for free from a company is ridiculous. At the end of the day Anet has to make money to continue to support this game. They require a profit to keep going. How is this difficult to understand?
I just don’t understand you people anymore….. To date GW2 has probably done the best job at it’s cash shop then any other game on the market so there really isn’t much to complain about.
Again…i expect to pay pvp features with the pvp currency they gave us…paying pvp stuff with golds (Since golds = gems) while glory is still worthless is totally nonsense..and should be reworked asap
There is that word “expect” again.
You should not “expect” anything nor are you entitled to it.
It’s a nice feature that cost’s money. Now while “I” may think the pricing structure is a bit high – it’s still not bad.
If you don’t like what they have done with this option – Don’t buy it. It’s truly as simple as that.
But, in the future I suggest you stop “expecting” anything from anyone.
If i paid for something, and since at game release and during betas they said glory was going to be a currency in s-tpvp world just like golds and karma in pve/wvsw, yes i EXPECT this game to be, at least, as they said it was going to be. If this is a problem for you or for any pve hero around who wants to get everything just because he farms dungeons all day like a mindless chicken, no offence, but i really don’t give a single kitten.
It’s amazing the sense of entitlement people have these days.
A new feature was added – it cost’s money to use.
So – now you have 2 choices:
A) Support this feature and game and pay for the service
B) Don’t
To expect everything for free from a company is ridiculous. At the end of the day Anet has to make money to continue to support this game. They require a profit to keep going. How is this difficult to understand?
I just don’t understand you people anymore….. To date GW2 has probably done the best job at it’s cash shop then any other game on the market so there really isn’t much to complain about.
Again…i expect to pay pvp features with the pvp currency they gave us…paying pvp stuff with golds (Since golds = gems) while glory is still worthless is totally nonsense..and should be reworked asap
It’s like asking for glory if you want to buy siege blueprints…makes sense to you? This is the same…
Seriously, what the heck do I do when I get Moa? The only thing I can do is smash the 5 button.
Am I suppose to be a semi free kill when I get Moa?
Dodge/block/evade moa…pretty long cast and obvious animation, not a big deal…tw still better imo.
1 sec cast time is long?
Sure it is..if you’re used to evade thieves and shatters (As everyone should be after some pvp) moa would be an easy cake to negate..you can try it and you’ll see by yourself how hard is to moa an high ranked opponent..and that’s why, as i said, tw is better..
Having a server of your own that you don’t need to host is a basic feature now?
Yes since many games offer that for free…and don’t forget the main point of this thread:
That we must pay gems to make custom pvp arenas but we have no ways to get them if we play pvp…even spending our “money” (Glory) which is totally worth nothing outside stupid chests full of crap and unid dyes giving random money back…most ppl don’t even open tournament chests already (I have something like 250+ myself spread oven my chars)….guess why? They’re not worth the time it takes to recicle the crap inside…
Glory for Gems or Custom Arenas kits and tokens for glory (And i prefer the last so if you want to set up your pvp arena you MUST be an active pvp player like it should be)
Sorry but this is the only way to go if you want to start improving gw2 pvp to a decent level..right now you’re only putting pve heroes above pvp players even in “our” part of the game…dunno to you but it doesn’t seem really fair to me.
Private servers must cost something? Fine. But since they are pvp servers they must cost pvp money.
It’s actually significantly cheaper than a sub fee. The $20 you spend is the initial cost. It could also cost $10 + Gold, or no money at all if you have enough gold.
Once you have a server, it costs 480 gems for 20 days, 960 for 40 days, 1440 for 60 days. That’s less than $10/mo if only one person is supporting the server. Anyone can apply time to servers. Also, don’t forget you can convert gold to gems.
And don’t forget we’re talking about PVP and we earn NO gold here ouside random dyes and we still have a kittenload of glory worth nothing. Isn’t that meant to be pvp world’s currency like gold and karma in pve wvsw? Or al least you guys said that when explained games features during betas.
With such eloquence it is hard to not take your points seriously.
sometimes you got to be in it to win it!
cuz if your not first Ricky bobby…. your last!
seriously though there is nothing wrong with Anet trying to make a buck off of pvp i just think they went the wrong way about it.
keep in mind if pvp makes them more money it gives more incentive for Anet to support it. that is just how the world works it takes money to make things happen, believe it or not those people who work on making content for this game like a thing we call food and shelter
Believe me gw1 devs were not homeless guys…and they still didn’t ask for a single dollar outside game’s price…and dear god pvp was 10 times better than here…
times have changes and GW1 was not really an mmo, it felt more like an ARPG while mmo’s cost more to make and have more fierce competition with other mmo’s.
games these days take more people and more resources/time therefore more money
takes money to make money
also this is not gw1 its gw2, don’t let nostalgia blind you, everything is temporary change is the only constant.
plus count your blessings, because some of the cash shops and things you can buy in other games is down right offensive (cough cough newly f2p Rift cough)
Not only that, but GW1 DID have a cash shop which proved to be very profitable.
Yeah but it was, and got implemented very late, for aesthetic stuff only…you already had every in-game content after buying the game, no need to pay more in order to get other arenas, playing with friends and stuff..
With such eloquence it is hard to not take your points seriously.
sometimes you got to be in it to win it!
cuz if your not first Ricky bobby…. your last!
seriously though there is nothing wrong with Anet trying to make a buck off of pvp i just think they went the wrong way about it.
keep in mind if pvp makes them more money it gives more incentive for Anet to support it. that is just how the world works it takes money to make things happen, believe it or not those people who work on making content for this game like a thing we call food and shelter
Believe me gw1 devs were not homeless guys…and they still didn’t ask for a single dollar outside game’s price…and dear god pvp was 10 times better than here…
times have changes and GW1 was not really an mmo, it felt more like an ARPG while mmo’s cost more to make and have more fierce competition with other mmo’s.
games these days take more people and more resources/time therefore more money
takes money to make money
also this is not gw1 its gw2, don’t let nostalgia blind you, everything is temporary change is the only constant.
plus count your blessings, because some of the cash shops and things you can buy in other games is down right offensive (cough cough newly f2p Rift cough)
Not only that, but GW1 DID have a cash shop which proved to be very profitable.
Yeah but it was, and got implemented very late, for aesthetic stuff only…you already had every in-game content after buying the game, no need to pay more in order to get other arenas, play with friends and stuff..do you remember guild halls and friendly gvgs? I do..
Other than the custom arena what do sPvP/tPvP only players need to use the gem store for?
Paying custom arenas with glory would be enough for me, don’t really care about fancy backpacks and stuff, but if i have to buy gems in order to get pvp content while i’m playing pvp only since release they can forget my money already..and as i said before, they stated pvp was going to have his own currency (Like pve with gold and karma)…but at the end of the day with 500k+ glory you’re still poor as kitten since you can do nothing with it and you can’t trade it for “global” currency (Gems)…something wrong here…
Just an example:
I would like to buy that minipet (Actually i wouldn’t cause it’s unuseful but let’s figure out i’m in love with this stupid thing following me)
If i play pve or wvsw only i would probably be able to afford it.
If i play pvp only (r50+, qpnts, kittenload of glory, a pile of titles and stuff) i look into my wallet, i see no money in there and then i have 3 choices…
With such eloquence it is hard to not take your points seriously.
sometimes you got to be in it to win it!
cuz if your not first Ricky bobby…. your last!
seriously though there is nothing wrong with Anet trying to make a buck off of pvp i just think they went the wrong way about it.
keep in mind if pvp makes them more money it gives more incentive for Anet to support it. that is just how the world works it takes money to make things happen, believe it or not those people who work on making content for this game like a thing we call food and shelter
Believe me gw1 devs were not homeless guys…and they still didn’t ask for a single dollar outside game’s price…and dear god pvp was 10 times better than here…
You have to pay gems for pvp arenas and you can’t get them if you play pvp only (And don’t start with unid dyes craft crap, we all know you can’t pay arenas just crafting 90% random worthless dyes)
Isn’t glory meant to be pvp currency (As stated @ game RELEASE)? We have all this worthless “pvp money” and we can’t even pay for pvp arenas with it…
Are you kittening serious anet? If you’re waiting for me (Like many many others) to pay real money (Or go stupid pve/wvsw) in order to get spvp stuff that you can’t get while playing s-tpvp…i have to say you’re wrong, totally…terribly…wrong.
Pve heroes custom arenas everywhere while pvp community not going to give you a single kittening dollar/euro…all you care about here is money and you’re not going to get it…at least from me. Keep on screwing pvp more, gj.
Strange thing is that I actually see many of those so called “immortal” thieves die in every single arena/tournament i go…something broken with their immortality i guess…for sure still less immortal than d/d eles..
