As if that didn’t happen to the class that just got gibbed by a thief.
Go into the midfight as a necro and find the mesmer and thief looking your way and proceeding to down you in about 5 seconds flat.
5 seconds is a pretty long time for 2 glass cannons to down a focused non bunker target…
That’s why you see many necros leaving a flesh wurm on a safe spot when going for a teamfight
It’s not if you figure in all the defensives popped and granting the generous scenario that I wasn’t distracted and didn’t let myself be CC’d.
Otherwise the necro goes down faster than a prom dress. Now compare that against the thief or mesmer or ele that just took a little stunbreaker port a few yards away and then proceeded to stealth.
I’ll trade you DS and all that HP for actual mobility and the ability to port back to safety into a ledge by abusing terrain teleports and have nobody outside a mesmer or thief be able to chase you.
That’s why you see many good necros leaving flesh wurm on a safe spot before entering a teamfight..it’s called tactic aka playing with brains..
Yeah, as if most bring a flesh wurm. You’ve got 3 utility slots. Epidemic and signet of undeath are not optional, and neither is corrupt boon.
You drop any of those 3, you might as well bring no necro to the team as they’ll be useless.
It’s like asking a thief to switch to pistol/pistol to stay alive or just shrotbow all day long. You’re removing what makes them desirable to a team.
Oh well…welcome to mesmer’s life in tpvp…you can’t bring what you like, you bring what you need…for you and your team (Expec the second one)
Sorry to tell you but Mesmer number 2 downed state is the best in the game lol teleport and stealth in one and a clone
Stability invuln stomps don’t work against
2nd would be ele mist form
Oh yes i already said clones are so op…you always have to look at them for at least 45 minutes to spot the big red mark on real mesmer’s head…and btw why the kitten would you need stability or invulnerability if mesmer doesn’t have interrupts? Seriouslt wtf are you talkin’ about? -__-"
Wow you are a noob… Because you can use stability/ invuln against all other classes besides Mesmer ele and thief which buys enough time for your team to Rez or kill the guy trying to stomp you and thus save you… You prolly solo q and have never been in an organized team before
lol…never heard about dps downed ppl or interupt ress do you? Or you just all chase downed eles mesmers and thieves all around point while their mates are ressing them? This guy is hilarious…calling other ppl noob too… xD Our pvp pool amazes me every time..
and that’s why pvp is not popular nor watched by many and we have posts like this daily. you can disagree with me all you want but fact is there are very few who take pvp seriously and very few who enjoy watching streams and vids. the game mode is one of the many reasons this is the case.
Where are your facts lol? I don’t see 300 posts that spvp is failing. Just a handful of people who are trying to kill esports for whatever reason they want. sigh..
The lack of participation in game and in the forums is already a good indicator of the state of SPvP. Which relative to the rest of GW2 is very very stagnant.
SPvP had it’s chance at live when there was a critical mass of players. It will continue to stagnate without a prayer in hell of recovering. Think AoC, War Hammer, SWTOR as examples of lost opportunities when they had a critical mass of players.
As other brought up with the lack of resources, the burn to players is that GW2 PvP is a sad shadow compared to it’s predecessor.
And that’s because gw2 pvp is a sad shadow of his predecessor…casual friendly yeah, a competitive pvp can’t be casual friendly by definition…cause casual friendly sounds much more like “retrded”
People who are still playing GW2 come from GW1, they have never experienced a good and polished e-sports game. I dont want to insult anyone, I think its true.
Not sure what you’re talking about, but I think I can safely say 99.99% of decent pvpers in GW1 are disappointed in GW2 pvp and that many have already quit for other games, such as LoL.
Or waiting, like me, for a decent pvp system…but already lost pretty much all hopes..
Sorry to tell you but Mesmer number 2 downed state is the best in the game lol teleport and stealth in one and a clone
Stability invuln stomps don’t work against
2nd would be ele mist form
Oh yes i already said clones are so op…you always have to look at them for at least 45 minutes to spot the big red mark on real mesmer’s head…and btw why the kitten would you need stability or invulnerability if mesmer doesn’t have interrupts? Seriouslt wtf are you talkin’ about? -__-"
Oh you’re talking about stupid downed state with random teleport and sometimes even in the same spot thet you can’t use vs stealthed ppl aswell as #3? It’s ok…because…we have clones!!!
As if that didn’t happen to the class that just got gibbed by a thief.
Go into the midfight as a necro and find the mesmer and thief looking your way and proceeding to down you in about 5 seconds flat.
5 seconds is a pretty long time for 2 glass cannons to down a focused non bunker target…
That’s why you see many necros leaving a flesh wurm on a safe spot when going for a teamfight
It’s not if you figure in all the defensives popped and granting the generous scenario that I wasn’t distracted and didn’t let myself be CC’d.
Otherwise the necro goes down faster than a prom dress. Now compare that against the thief or mesmer or ele that just took a little stunbreaker port a few yards away and then proceeded to stealth.
I’ll trade you DS and all that HP for actual mobility and the ability to port back to safety into a ledge by abusing terrain teleports and have nobody outside a mesmer or thief be able to chase you.
That’s why you see many good necros leaving flesh wurm on a safe spot before entering a teamfight..it’s called tactic aka playing with brains..
As if that didn’t happen to the class that just got gibbed by a thief.
Go into the midfight as a necro and find the mesmer and thief looking your way and proceeding to down you in about 5 seconds flat.
5 seconds is a pretty long time for 2 glass cannons to down a focused non bunker target, necro or not..problem with thief is that you can go down in 3 seconds or less when focused by one glass cannon or just walking on random aoes, necro’s wells, traps and stuff…pretty much everything is going to kill you in seconds if you don’t pay extreme attention on your surroundings…
When was the last time i saw someone running a celestial amulet or balanced build? 20 mins ago our ranger and ele where both hybrid…
Thieves and mesmers are dominating spvp when it comes to how many of them you see.
Hey! We got great game balance… it is gonna be esports!
Any smart game developer should realize:
high reward & high risk = good design
low reward & low risk = good design
high reward & low risk = bad design
Thieves and mesmers are the most obvious high reward, low risk professions for spvp.
Obviously you never ever went tpvp with a thief (Or never went tpvp at all)….low risk yeah, just make a thief and go for a tpvp midfight and see how thieves are so low risk….you’re going to die even before you realize something happened…this is not stupid wsvw you don’t have a zerg covering your back so you can just go here and there killing random nubs with maybe 30 levels less than you…thief is the most killable prof and the one that needs the best positioning and timing in order to survive..you have no cond removal, you have crap armor and healing..all you can do is going stealth but ppl are not so dumb to not spamming aoes killing you anyway…decent players actually know where the thief is even if he went stealth..or you’re one of those who think that ppl in stealth just vanish and you can’t get them until they’re visible again?
Flanking strikes everywhere…too bad the only one playing it at a very good level i’ve seen till now is suldaris…others just spam it randomly, well timed cc + aoe and they’re gone…as usual good builds (And i don’t really think flanking strike is really as good as many think..but that’s just a personal opinion) don’t turn you into a good player…aswell as good players can make “not so good” builds working better than many “op” ones..
Aww, come on! It was a joke. But i killed many times a rank 37 ranger, who was playing MUCH better than me. And I think it’s unfair. No hs thieves. No warriors.
And why should I play tpvp with this build? I thought we were talking about 1v1.XD
If you killed him many times i don’t think he was playing so good…or he was just pew pewing around with zerker amulet? Well we’re talking about tpvp because 1vs1 is worth nothing…since this is a team cooperative game (Teamfights, tactics..stuff like that) not street fighter…seems pretty obvious to me….i don’t even consider those “Come let’s 1vs1 i’ll kill ya noooobbbb!!1!1!” (Meanwhile their team is 3capped and -200) and so on crazy hotjoin heroes as a part of this game…it’s just a little ghetto slowly disappearing as soon as they rank up and realize you must not play for yourself here or you’re going to fail really badly…1vs1 importance usually fades while gaining in game experience…so not a real problem at all..everyone playing tpvp knows that there are many fights you just can’t win alone and many situations where you must ask for support…and that’s why you have a group, lone rambos are going to be shredded into pieces by any decent team if they don’t know their limits…
I tried really hard. I put every single drop of energy in this task, but nothing. No avail.
I failed.
No matter how hard I try…
… the game won’t let me lose, as long as I am a mesmer.
Tried standing still. Tried screwing up every single Blurred Frenzy I launched. Nothing. I still killed people in 1v1.
And I am NOT skilled.
Stop trying vs random hs spamming thieves and warrriors maybe and go vs a decent hgh engi and get your kitten kicked all day long…or if you really wanna be roflstomped just go tpvp..
Too bad this is gonna be totally useless in tpvp. Maybe would work in hotjoin…but also there aoe dps>single target dps and since noone gives a crap bout dieing in hotzerg i’ll stick to normal shatter…noone dodges there and you can make a mess with aoe burst…i can only figure this in a 1vs1 situation, but since is not viable for tpvp (Side def for example) you can just use it to duel random ppl outside tournaments and i don’t really see a reason for random worthless duels outside tpvp…
I take it you did not read the thread title: “Phantasm mesmer, unbeatable in 1v1?”
Yes, that’s a 1v1 build, posted in a thread about 1v1.
Sorry but…what’s the actual purpose of an 1vs1 build since 1vs1 is worthless in a team-based game? I figured out 1vs1 as a side point defending situation (Or maybe mid, but there’s always a guardian at mid…and you can’t do kitten vs a decent bunker guardian with a mesmer in a decent amount of time before backup rushes in owning you)…and that’s the only useful contest that comes to mind…outside that 1vs1 is totally unuseful….maybe for hotzerg? But still nonsense since that uber freaking zerg with minions, cats, dogs and kitten is going to rollover you as soon as you stay in one point alone for more that 5 secs…
Btw i usually kill average phantasm mesmers with thief, shatter mez and dps guard…ok i know how mesmer works but all you really need to do is dodging when he’s pointing gs to the sky (izerk incoming), then apply pressure…done. Aoe around is really appreciated too…cluster bomb ftw.
And again…condition dmg is the fastest way to destroy pretty much every mesmer spec around.
Everyone already knows about ascendant and so on titles from gw1 (I’ve got them also)…and everyone already don’t give a kitten bout it, they made a stupid mistake giving same titles for two different things? Yes. Is it a problem? Not at all…so problem is already solved, they’re not going to fix this…god i’m still porting into walls with thief and mesmer and it’s still unfixed, those minor things are not even a priority so don’t even hope on a fix xD
Wow so is there someone who still cares bout titles? Personally i almost got my 4th champ and marauder and i see no point to put them up…i’m just waiting for some stupid title like Drunkard in gw1 to start using them xD
Btw what’s the difference from someone with avenger or avenger of wtf is it, if you’re in tpvp? If he’s against you you have to face him anyway…no matter the title he wears…..if you’re talking about hotjoin well…don’t look at titles, just spam random stuff (Grenades work perfectly for this purpose lol) here and there and it’s fine…you know it’s hotzerg…noone gives a crap bout what is he doing there…
[…] It hurts seeing a proffession that was one of the hardest, if not the hardest (referring to the standard apply poison r/mo, of course), to master on GW1 turn into the pile of shiat that is the GW2 ronger.
[…]
Memories…
Feel really sad for that profession.
AkaTehDshot.
Yeah outside oath and rao ranger was pretty nice to play in gw1…here you just have to let autoattack go while pets do the job..
Too bad this is gonna be totally useless in tpvp. Maybe would work in hotjoin…but also there aoe dps>single target dps and since noone gives a crap bout dieing in hotzerg i’ll stick to normal shatter…noone dodges there and you can make a mess with aoe burst…i can only figure this in a 1vs1 situation, but since is not viable for tpvp (Side def for example) you can just use it to duel random ppl outside tournaments and i don’t really see a reason for random worthless duels outside tpvp…
I’ve actually seen ppl jumping into blurred frenzy while it was ALREADY channeling…Hs spam thieves seem to love bf, as soon as you use it they all jump in and die ò_ò
Imagine multiple mini asura mesmers using decoy in a group fight. Annoying to retarget them afterwards even if i know which one it is since i likely miss click on their overlaping illusion.
But keeping target after stealth would be a serious blow to mesmers ability to survive.
If someone really has problems finding the real one (Possible if you’re…maybe r20-) just spam some aoes around….and kill everything still up.
Well, of course ppl are more likely to BM and trakittenalk in PvP, because you don’t walk hand in hand through wonderland and search for treasure together and craft each other Pies… -.-°
Too bad phantasm is almost totally useless in tpvp…just good to facerool random ppl in hotjoin, but you can do it with almost every dps spec if you play it decently…and as i already said, pretty much every heavy condition spec totally ruins mesmers since shatter spec doesn’t bring shattered conditions and phantasm obviously doesn’t shatter…
I actually see many ppl complain bout portal…you know what? I would be REALLY happy if i didn’t have to bring it instead of something else…give portal to someone else too, like engis or something, totally fine with that..since if you play mesmer you basically run with 2 utility skills and no elitè cause you must already bring portal and time warp for your team…and maybe illusion of life too…easy to play with only 1 max 2 utilities for you? (In a 1vs1 side point defending situation for example) Give it a try..see what happens…tpvp is not hotjoin where you can run with phantasm, uber shatter, moa and kitten with all self oriented utilities…sometimes you can’t even manage to put out a decent shatter because you already dropped mirror images and even decoy (Since many prefer to run with blink as the only utility skill if already using illusion of life)…everything looks easy from outside/hotzerg point of view..
Quite a few people have r15 now btw, chamalee and some other mates of starcraft.
Speaking of star, I’ve seen him on GW2 too, and sitting on a fairly high rank (50+, if I’m not mistaken). No idea if its the real one or not though.
Yeah i play with him sometimes, he’s around 55+ if i remember right…there was chamalee also, still in na while starcraft moved to eu, but he stopped playing time ago waiting for more (And less boring) pvp stuff…as everyone else..
btw he’s not playing as much as in gw1 just because you can’t play so much without getting really bored here…
Around 450k glory…and nothing to do with it…oh yeah those new crap backsomething flags pinned on your back…i mean…why not kittening guild capes like gw1? Too easy?
i would love to see pets scale with our stats. i can already envision builds to accomodate every underused pet.
Pet Affinity could change to:
Base 10% Scaling with Ranger stats + 1% per point of Pet Affinity. ( % not balanced, only figurative )
i don’t want to play a bunker, but i do want to play a beastmaster. i play the hand i’m dealt, & i’ve been dealt a tree that gives me +300 healing & a monster on a very long leash.
they could shake up the spec a lot by changing SoWild’s passive to something other than healing. it’s so kitten strong & i hate having a utility on my bar that i barely ever use, b/c the passive healing is just too good.
at least SoHunt & SoRenewal have valid incentive for using the active ( although Hunt doesn’t help the current situation—13k Blinding Slash in tPvP ftw, gg Mug nerf ).
Base + % increase or just % from Ranger stats? Also there are other specs rangers can use, your suggestions would hit them way harder than BM. Signets were pretty bad before the last patch and now you want to nerf them again? Most of the suggestions here would require complete overhaul of the ranger class so i dont think its possible.
Solution?
Pets with 0 base stats and they change according to owner’s ones….crap power/prec spec? Crap power/prec pet no matter which animal you take…only pet’s skill differs from one to another…as it should be…no more bunkers with pocket warriors on demand..
- pets hitting like a truck while their masters are bunker-specced
But pets can hit only 1 target. What’s the problem with the bigger damage compared to every mele weapon that have cleave attaks?
I remember, one day…lost into the mist of the past ppl whining all day for 8-9k backstabs….clearly no problem with a bunker spec dealing 5k+ dmg with high tough and healing (And maybe some cond dmg too), working as all other bunkers right?
I can do up to 5’000 dmg with a sinlge attack as a full-bunker… oh wait it’s 50 dmg.
I can destroy kyhlo’s barrels with my bunker guardian…well it takes some time but i can do it, definately some serious dps…i also managed to kill a jagged horror once…i swear..
- pets hitting like a truck while their masters are bunker-specced
But pets can hit only 1 target. What’s the problem with the bigger damage compared to every mele weapon that have cleave attaks?
I remember, one day…lost into the mist of the past ppl whining all day for 8-9k backstabs….clearly no problem with a bunker spec dealing 5k+ dmg with high tough and healing (And maybe some cond dmg too), working as all other bunkers right?
Wrong. Even without playing necro i know minion skills turn into minion actions when they’re up, like golem’s kd…
… with the exception of one skill, not being possible to tell him to auto attack something, to stop, to come back. The necro pets run around aimlessly until you tell them to use that skill.
When i say control, i mean real control.
So they’re already way more stupid than ranger’s pet (And we all know this) so it’s fine they can’t manage them while downed while rangers can? Makes no sense to me…
Max rank is actually around 65, but you have to farm hotjoin/custom arenas all day to get there so soon…80 will take a lot of time, as it should be in a game called guild wars..
^_^ Don’t pve at all, do you?
Just went pve for less than 2 months at the beginning, now i go pve only if i need to go to the bank xD
Meanwhile just went soloq…me+ other 4…summing up their ranks they were less than mine…something like 13, 20,12 and one like 3-4 who said he was there just for daily (-.-)…..and ok, it would be fine, no problem with that…but don’t put us vs a 40+ premade…
I mean…wtf? Ok, i absolutely don’t give a kitten to leaderboards…but being ganked for the whole match is a bit irritating, and it’s not my mates fault (They probably did whatever they could)…only fault is anet’s and his stupid matchmaking without splitting solo and premades..
All i wrote was “Well, we tried..” …noone can blame low ranks for not being experienced, sure they aren’t they are LOW RANKS…you can just blame anet for his terrible tournament mechanic…
I don’t understand what’s so broken about it. Claiming it’s so “broken” and not giving any real explanation won’t do. What’s broken about it?
The healing power? Condition damage? I understand people complain a lot about traps, but honestly it’s so easy to avoid i’m surprised they still do.
Lick Wounds (And not only underwater where is obviously bugged and still not fixed), F skills while downed, pet recovering full life on swap even without the ranger getting out of combat, birds critting like thieves while owner runs bunker spec….should i go on? There’s a pretty long list….
You know nothing of balance if you’re complaining our pet healing up when we swap him. Birds don’t crit like thieves. Lick wounds bug underwater rarely triggers, but yes, its a BUG. The pet isn’t dead, why shouldn’t i control his F abilities while downed?
Please, go on.
My phantasms and clones aren’t dead if i go down…and necro’s minions neither….so why shouldn’t we control them too? Maybe because this would be imbalanced and stupid since a downed player have just to try to survive with his downed bar..
I don’t understand what’s so broken about it. Claiming it’s so “broken” and not giving any real explanation won’t do. What’s broken about it?
The healing power? Condition damage? I understand people complain a lot about traps, but honestly it’s so easy to avoid i’m surprised they still do.
Lick Wounds (And not only underwater where is obviously bugged and still not fixed), F skills while downed, pet recovering full life on swap even without the ranger getting out of combat, birds critting like thieves while owner runs bunker spec, able to defend point while pet dpsing somewhere else (Orb just for example)….should i go on? There’s a pretty long list….
Sad thing is all these posts are just going to get lost without a decent answer form devs or something, sure many rangers still claim they’re fine (Even knowing they’re not…at all, i have a ranger…i don’t know how to play it and i can still own lots of ppl, and i KNOW and ADMIT it’s just broken).
Ppl are just asking for an explanation from staff….yeah yeah i know you don’t give a kitten to pvp…but just an answer…3 lines of text…even 2…anything…do you remember we paid for this game, right? Don’t want one of those 1 hour and half sotg youtube videos, just a simple and clear answer about how you’re going to fix those obviously broken mechanics..
Max rank is actually around 65, but you have to farm hotjoin/custom arenas all day to get there so soon…80 will take a lot of time, as it should be in a game called guild wars..
