When a downed ranger rupts me 3 times and downs me while i’m half hp already trying to stomp him, maybe during a teamfight while avoiding other ppl, all i usually say is “Yeah, gj anet…” Giving op weapons to someone obviously ends with them abusing it…when we had shatter bug on mesmers for a short time i knew it was broken, and also stated it in furum’s discussions…but for sure i still went shatter using it…thay gave me 4k shatters? Yeah they’re dumb but for sure it’s not my fault if i can oneshot ppl with shatter atm…after some days they fixed it and it was ok, nothing happened…was just a stupid bug and needed to be fixed asap…like it’s hopefully going to be for rangers..no reason to insult them…thay’re going to be fixed eventually, it’s just a matter of time..and then everyone will see who’s good and who was just riding their opness…like eles before…don’t see so many eles after patch, while good ones are still up…guess why?
Read the first post I made in this thread. Then you’ll understand the relevance.
If you mean that insulting rangers is ok just because they’re op atm i don’t think so…hate them too but all i can do is blame anet 24/7 in game and on forums for their mistakes, sure many ppl started to play rangers only riding his opness all day long but who made this class looking like pvp semi-god atm? Not ranger players of course…
As an example https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/A-simple-question/first#post1973917 that’s it’s different from “All rangers are noobs spamming autoattack all day long” Sure most of them actually spam autoattack all day long and that’s stupid…but it’s just anet’s fault…and as usual they don’t answer to those questions…
Btw soloq and premade split is definately needed…just make something like ra and ta…you can join solo or with 5 man full premade splitting solos and premades off course…but they’re probably too busy designing some sort of new quaggan backback atm…
Since I just came across this gem, might as well quote it here for relevance:
Anyway for skill/reward i would say ranger hands down atm after those unecessary buffs…made one and even if you don’t know hot to really play it you can still be effective even vs decent ppl like ele used to be before balance patch, other classes (Ele incuded now) require experience if you want to play good in tpvp, as far as i can see rangers don’t…you can play it for 3 days and go tpvp facerolling a decent amount of ppl…no clue how to use it properly but champ hunter already coming….for sure the easiest champ title i made..
Given that statement, every single flame I utter vs that detestable excuse of a profession appears to be more than warranted!
Well this is just a fact, as i said i made a ranger myself, i don’t know how to play it properly but can still play decently in tpvp. I’m not saying rangers are noobs…i’m saying ranger is a really easy class to play from my own experience. I just realized making champ hunter is way more easy than shadow/parag and illusionist…really don’t know what to do about it…so i suggested op that if he wants a good reward with less effort he has to play a reanger atm imo..
Never really noticed a problem before… or when I did it was isolated incidents. Played a few games this afternoon (tpvp) and kept seeing insults flying around coupled with refusals to play if they saw it was a guild group. Figured I’d screenshot a few:
I don’t do a whole lot of tpvp, though I try to get a few games in a day, so maybe I’ve just avoided the attitudes previously. It was just a little disconcerting to have 4 separate incidents in a 2 hour period (6-8 games in that time). Is anyone else seeing a rise in people being kittens? I don’t want this turning into LoL
Probably just some pvp trash, just ignore them and move on…usually first saying noob to someone is the real noob imo…good players give advices and suggest you how to get better don’t insult since it’s both a noobish and childish behaviour. I don’t know who they are but pretty sure they actually suck as hell. Sure i hate some classes more that others but i’m not going to insult someone just because he plays it…best way to deal with it is to roflstomp them…without saying a word… xD
If you still want to answer just kill them again..and again…and again…then send a whisp with “<3”
That’s more than enough to get them mad without being a pro wannabe trash talking idiot
And if you go solo and get bad players vs a good team don’t blame them…blame this stupid matchmaking system without solo split…it’s not their fault it’s anet’s
Anyway for skill/reward i would say ranger hands down atm after those unecessary buffs…made one and even if you don’t know hot to really play it you can still be effective even vs decent ppl like ele used to be before balance patch, other classes (Ele incuded now) require experience if you want to play good in tpvp, as far as i can see rangers don’t…you can play it for 3 days and go tpvp facerolling a decent amount of ppl…no clue how to use it properly but champ hunter already coming….for sure the easiest champ title i made..
I think to make it balanced: The pet should be “out of control” and run around randomly attacking even allies(or at least attack no one or only 1 random enemy… but certainly not being able to be commanded to attack 1 specific enemy).
first off i would like to thank everyone that played with me and against me while i was rank 1 it was fun.
i want to thank god for giving me balls so i can hold the record for most games played as rank one.
and i want to thank Karl for making it so mesmers get neutralized on the second they pop a 4 sec distortion so they dont get hit with the opening burst and making it so i finally lose and i dont get an ego.
At least you actually play even if you’re rank 1…here in eu top ranks just don’t play (Or use second accounts) so they’re not going to lose ranks, since you have to beat someone in order to get above him….sad ppl are sad..
How about you try it in a real scenario? You had 18 stacks vulnerability + full adrenaline bar + berserker armor + scholar runes + might stacking using a full glass build against a non-moving target with 1800 armor.
Honestly, that damage is terrible for such a scenario when thieves can open with a 14k backstab from stealth. Your real eviscerates wouldn’t break 8k in combat against glass cannons, and probably 4-5k against bunkers.
Lol at these charts how misguided. It’s Mesmer > the rest | get your facts right boyz.
Guess what? I already play mesmer and just made a brand new ranger some days ago…now i can go bunker while sending pets for 5k+ crits, and it’s so relaxing….but hey mesmer is so top tier, funny thing is that many of them drop like rocks when i face one with my 4-5 days experience on ranger, and believe me…it’s not because i’m so amazing, sometimes i find myself just spamming random stuff and still facerolling ppl with ranger….or more precisely i find myself spamming random things (Or just letting autoattack go) while my pets facerolls ppl…F2….F4…F2..heal if needed, rinse and repeat…nothing more than that, and now there’s spirit watch too <3 lol
sure…in narnia maybe…mesmer managed to shatter for 4k crits some months ago for a brief period due to a bug (Hotfixed after some days)…and meanwhile forum literally exploded…
that may well be the case.. but they still output more damage than a ranger pet..
and my point still stands about being at half hp after one shatter combo in tpvp.. and it’s not like im running a CG or anything.. im a full bunker..
so i have 16k hp thats around 8k damage per combo.. and it’s not on a really long CD as it’s not long before the other half of my hp goes..
so clones+phantoms doing less damage than a pet.. from my side of things.. is a complete load of bull
Oh well i’ve got <15k hp on thief and a shatter combo almost oneshots me, and it’s fine, cause it’s easy to avoid if you know how it works just a little…good players are really hard to hit with a good shatter combo, they usually manage to evade at least part if not all of it every time cause it’s really predictable since you need a chain of 3-4+ skills to pull it out effectively and if you’re facing a shatter mesmer you know, like dps thieves, that they focus on one thing to deal dmg, so you’ve just to wait for it….when it’s gone the will do barely nothing for enough time to kill them…or for just waiting for them to drop due to conditions…since, you know, shatter mesmers don’t have condition removal…
Anyway i made this thread not to talk about who deals more dmg, why pets got buffed while they were already crazy and so on…
I’m just aking why one class doesn’t follow a general rule while downed like everyone else…
sure…in narnia maybe…mesmer managed to shatter for 4k crits some months ago for a brief period due to a bug (Hotfixed after some days)…and meanwhile forum literally exploded…
Can, maybe, a dev give us an answer once and for all, or they’re just too busy running around with 5 sig wars? Yes, i’m looking at you Karl >.<
So, you got kitten by a Ranger, and all that you do is coming QQ here? Pets can’t do 5k with every crit, only cats can reach that damage under some conditions (jaguar in stealth + Pet’s Prowess trait vs GCs). And pet’s are easily avoidable , because their attacks are broken.
If you think that a BM ranger is easy to play, just try it.
Already playing ranger, just for you to know…and yes…it’s kittening easy to play if you’re already used to mesmer (Wich is definately on another skill cap level)..hunter will soon be my forth champ title, and with no dubt the easiest of them all..and now it also got buffed…let’s go cut some cookies…but some mechanics just feel dumb…and i can’t resist asking why are they supposed to work like that..and still no answer on why ranger can use normal skills outside downed bar while others can’t…i don’t give a kitten to those who only play ranger and obviously love their rupt spamming while downed…i just asked for an answer from dev’s….if it’s ok i wonder why thay can’t just say it, with a decent reason motivating that of course..
“Your pet damage scales with your stats” – no it does not..
Because pets already have insane stats on their own…thing that leads to another broken mechanic aka bunker rangers being able to get a controllable “pocket warrior” allowing them do deal 5+k crits while specced full bunker…all they have to do is spamming random heals, traps and dodges while their pet does the job for them…but this is another point…
Well…tpvp became so boring months ago…now we already are on a different level, something that after 3-4 matches makes you ask yourself why the kitten are you still going tpvp since it’s not fun, at all…problem is that there’s no answer…
problem is that its not rewarding too , I remember someone did the calculations and said that from rank 79 to 80 u have to play for 6 months (if you get 4k points per day) but anyway that’s another problem..
Yeah i already edited my post, rank is not a big deal since it’s just a personal achievement…but after you set up a premade, waited for ppl, eventually adjusted your team, went in, put effort to win and get your kitten 200 points, after all of that you just usually got less than going hotjoin for 15 mins zerging like a headless chicken spamming random skills on a bunch of r10s who don’t really know what are they doing…
Well…tpvp became so boring months ago…now we already are on a different level, something that after 3-4 matches makes you ask yourself why the kitten are you still going tpvp since it’s not fun, at all and gives you nothing worth you effort..if you want glory you can just go farm hotjoin noobs getting more than going tpvp…so the real problem is that there’s no answer…you just play without knowing why…or at least for me, but i’m probably not the only one..
phantasms are a standalone npc with their own hp and stats and they’re not clones…so i should be able to use them with F skills too since mesmers rely upon clones/phantasms as much as rangers on pets imo, but Anet doesn’t think so…the only class with this broken mechanic is ranger, and there’s still no reasonable explanation to it…
What about minion necro?
Problem with necro is that you have death shround on F so it’s not related to minions, i’m not asking for shatter while downed btw…i’m just asking why rangers CAN use F skills if downed while no other class can…
to mitigate the fact that our pets literally have to stop every time they want to attack.. so landing an attack with a pet.. is alot harder than you all think..
also the way the ranger is designed.. the pet does a large portion of our damage.. so removing f skills while downed for rangers hurts us alot more than some other classes.. and i know the couter argument will be x class relies on y to do a large portion of there damage.. difference is.. we cannot fight without a pet unless it dies.. everyother class can fight without that y being auto pulled into combat.. so that shows we are slightly different at the core level.. altho it may seem we are the same thing.. we are not..
So you’re basically saying that mesmer doesn’t rely upon his clones and phantasms for his dmg and mechanics?
“and i know the couter argument will be x class relies on y to do a large portion of there damage difference is we cannot fight without a pet unless it dies”
no, I already tried to explain that
if a mesmer opens a fight with any skill that’s not clone/phantom based then no clones are summoned into the fight..
if a ranger tries the same.. the pet will automatically unstow and start fighting (even tho rangers have asked and asked for them not to auto unstow on combat)
so my point was pets are intrinsically linked to a ranger in this way that no other class is..
So if pets automatically follow your target and attack it…why can you use his F2 while downed too? If they’re already " intrinsically linked" why do you need to manage them with F skills? And btw a downed ranger with a stupid pet randomly attacking things would be far better than a downed mesmer (Or anyone else) anyway since you still have your broken lick wounds to exploit….free res on demand? Here we go..
If it were up to me, glory would be awarded only for winning the game. Nothing for losers, and nothing for “minor objectives” which don’t reflect, promote or help shape competitive play and teamwork.
I’m asking for this since launch like old good gw1, but you know kids must have fun without effort so is not going to happen…
phantasms are a standalone npc with their own hp and stats and they’re not clones…so i should be able to use them with F skills too since mesmers rely upon clones/phantasms as much as rangers on pets imo, but Anet doesn’t think so…the only class with this broken mechanic is ranger, and there’s still no reasonable explanation to it…
What about minion necro?
Problem with necro is that you have death shround on F so it’s not related to minions, i’m not asking for shatter while downed btw…i’m just asking why rangers CAN use F skills if downed while no other class can…
to mitigate the fact that our pets literally have to stop every time they want to attack.. so landing an attack with a pet.. is alot harder than you all think..
also the way the ranger is designed.. the pet does a large portion of our damage.. so removing f skills while downed for rangers hurts us alot more than some other classes..
and i know the couter argument will be x class relies on y to do a large portion of there damage.. difference is.. we cannot fight without a pet unless it dies.. everyother class can fight without that y being auto pulled into combat.. so that shows we are slightly different at the core level.. altho it may seem we are the same thing.. we are not..
So you’re basically saying that mesmer doesn’t rely upon his clones and phantasms for his dmg and mechanics?
yeah because we all want thieves stealing from downed state or necros going in to DS while in downed state sounds fun…
wait actually.. that does sound fun..
but Stop trying to steal my class mechanic.. you have your own.. leave ours alone..
As i said you already have the strongest downed state hands down…you can’t kill a downed ranger with dps, fact. Not mentioning underwater cause it’s just a stupid bug (Never fixed of course) …if you add that you’re able to use F skills also…it’s just a little too much isn’t it? A downed ranger can literally down and kill you if you run glass cannon while downed, interrupt, dog interrupt, switch…another dog interrupt, broken lick wounds…and so on…meanwhile you’re down too, and then you have no chance in downed vs downed…if he’s not already up and running…just make ALL classes to use downed skills only and everything would be fine…and maybe a little more balanced too..
phantasms are a standalone npc with their own hp and stats and they’re not clones…so i should be able to use them with F skills too since mesmers rely upon clones/phantasms as much as rangers on pets imo, but Anet doesn’t think so…the only class with this broken mechanic is ranger, and there’s still no reasonable explanation to it…
What about minion necro?
Problem with necro is that you have death shround on F so it’s not related to minions, i’m not asking for shatter while downed btw…i’m just asking why rangers CAN use F skills if downed while no other class can…
phantasms are a standalone npc with their own hp and stats and they’re not clones…so i should be able to use them with F skills too since mesmers rely upon clones/phantasms as much as rangers on pets imo, but Anet doesn’t think so…the only class with this broken mechanic is ranger, and there’s still no reasonable explanation to it…
1vs1 with ranger is always a bad matchup expec for a shatter mez, as you probably run in tpvp…no condition removal and the fact that you can put out a limited amount of combos easily dodgeable by a ranger, and they have a LOT of dodges..way more healing and those pets on steroids…probably ranger is the most dangerous class you could face atm imo and unless you’re running all anti-ranger utilities like feedback + nullfield (Dropping all the stuff that makes mesmer useful in tpvp) you’re probably going to lose vs a ranger who’s just a little more than brain dead…i always try to avoid fighting a ranger if i can…
Thought hs on bp field was supposed to give you stealth as soon as you are jumping outside bp field but breaking it if hitting someone even with the same hs…didn’t know that bp+hs (+steal trick) leads to an invisible hs that won’t break stealth…oh well…time to take my thief out of the closet and try it xD Still wondering if you need macros to pull this out…since never used macros from gw1 and never will, just hate them >_<
As you can see you don’t need to macro anything, i was also rathe slow doing this.
Rangers are clearly lacking, and need a new utility to compensate for warrior’s being buffed.
“Search and Destroy” – 10 second cooldown, unlimited range
Your pet grows three time in size, gains 300% movement speed, 300% damage,1000% toughness, 1000% vitality and 300% critical damage and is immune to stuns and conditions. Your pet seeks out the enemy Warrior anywhere on the map and aggressively hunts them down. Once defeated your pet gains permanent stealth and waits outside the enemy base, ready to resume his mission.
This is a much needed skill in my opinion to combat the insanely power that warriors now wield since this patch.
This…and a built in rocket launcher on pet’s back of course…
well, according to the combatlog he just did the following:
BP
steal
HS
Backstab
And this is totally okay.
If you stand in the BP there is really nothing unusual.
Actually is bp>hs>steal (while mid air with hs)>backstab…you go stealth and hs hits target but you don’t break stealth landing it and you can still go backstab even if any direct dmg skill should break stealth giving you revealed debuff on hit, it’s just a..well let’s call that “trick”…pretty straightforward too once you get the right timing..
Say’s who ?
As long as you do not provide any evidence we must take what the combat logs tells us.
And this could also be that you stood in the blinding powder, and he first used steal and then
attacked you with HS.
Also, i think someone mentioned it before, you can precast BP and then steal so the BP is right where you are.
Then just HS -> backstab.
This can also result in the same combatlog messages, comes down to the timing / lag.
This is really nothing special and definitly not a bug or macro … !
You probably can’t read…others already explained how he did that stealing through hs on bp field…and already tested it with thief (And i’m not new to thief, just left it before dps went d/p) and worked.
I repeat: If you cast bp then go hs (Even if you’re not in hs range) and steal while mid air during hs you’ll land both steal and hs while stealthed and you can go backstab.
Try it yourself or just stop trolling…or maybe you already play d/p and you just don’t want someone explaining your “triks” ……am i wrong? I’m not even asking for nerf qq or something, i just asked how does it work and others explained it clearly then i tested myself and worked, nothing more than that…he managed to down me because he’s good and i was not paying enough attention to him, but i can pretty much survive almost every average d/p thief all day long with mesmer so don’t think it deserves a nerf at all, they already nerfed way nough stuff on thieves.Can’t really understand what’s you problem…
what sucks most about this post is karl will read it and think mesmers are strong.
i guess another 4 months of being bottom tier class is incoming because of random posts.
gg.
C’mon man. You have over 1000 tourney wins since they started recording for the ladder and you are really going to claim Mesmer is “Bottom Tier”?
A lot of the bugs that Mesmers have to put up with are inexcusable, and I don’t think they need the nerf bat, but they are certainly not a bottom tier class. Mesmer needs bug fixes and more options in terms of build diversity, but overall I don’t think that they are in a bad spot in terms of balance.
He’s not saying mesmer is bottom tier, everyone know it isn’t, all he’s trying to say is that little nerf after little nerf + well known bugs we’re slowly going down with every patch…and that’s probably true..
well, according to the combatlog he just did the following:
BP
steal
HS
Backstab
And this is totally okay.
If you stand in the BP there is really nothing unusual.
Actually is bp>hs>steal (while mid air with hs)>backstab…you go stealth and hs hits target but you don’t break stealth landing it and you can still go backstab even if any direct dmg skill should break stealth giving you revealed debuff on hit, it’s just a..well let’s call that “trick”…pretty straightforward too once you get the right timing..
Tried it and definately works, not hard to pull out too…all you have to do is stealing during hs jump while in bp field, you’ll land them both going stealth ready for bs..pretty effective.
This seems like the right thread to post my somewhat more serious suggestion:
Allow rangers to “switch consciousness” with their pet so that the player can directly control the pet while the ranger is being controlled by the AI.
Usually seem like they’re both AI controlled already….one spamming sbow autoattack stacking bleeds + random dodges and heal if needed and the other running around dealing dmg, reminds me those gw1 chinese farm bots..
We all know you can’t use your skills while you’re downed, downed bar replaces them and you can only manage to survive with those….unless you’re a ranger..
..why do rangers can still use their F1-4 skills while downed and any other class can’t, considering they probably already have the strongest downed state in the game?
I’m not whining off course i’m just looking for a simple answer from a dev…since “managing” your ai pet just because you have it sounds illogical, both mesmers and necros have ai minions\phantasms but you can’t control\shatter them while downed (And it’s fine)…so this difference still makes no sense to me..
