Guild Wars 2

jportell.2197:

Raptured.9307:

I don’t know about you guys but right now 3 mesmer/2bunker teams are still very powerful/ abundant

Really? Do you not see all the ridiculous HGH engis running around… They are the powerful ones currently.

Yeah hgh is probably the most annoying thing a could face in tpvp (Eles are just over everything so i don’t consider them) with both guardian and mesmer, they’re 80% going to get you on the “long run” no matter what, probably even more than rangers..

kostbabis.8791:

Archaon.6245:

fadeaway.2807:

Lots of long posts here. I do hope nobody has the audacity to suggest eles are not overpowered.

Believe me…there is still someone who claims eles are perfectly fine and they are so powerful just because they belong to pro players….yeah…sure, but at the end of the day the only solution is to agree with them like you would do with kids…waiting for some balance maybe..

and there are the people that know its too strong but at teh same time cant believe what crap they ar reading here..Is it so hard for you to understand that ideas like lcoking 2 attunement,making rtl target only,removing the boons prot and regen etc would make the class from god to not even remoretly warrior level??
And you occasionally get a noob that makes a thread asking how to kill an ele (on engie btw ) before the ele kills him with…retaliation /facepalm.
And people instead of pointing him out to hgh they say dont bother ele is op /double facepalm..
Anyway im done here..But so you dont get dissapointed..Dont expect huge changes in ele this month.The difference in his efficiency compared to other lasses is there but is nowhere near as big as you make it sound.

They said they were going to nerf aoe and they didn’t.
They said they were going to tone down eles and they nerfed quickness, so they buffed already broken bunker eles while nerfing pretty much every full dps class.
2 eles in every team is still pretty common and you get even 3 sometimes…not talkin’ about Spirit Watch where everything becomes even more ridicolous…

I definately expect some DECENT changes one day…as usual, when it’s ready..

Interpret Interrupt.3824:

Guys, they nerfed AOE…quickness

Yeah best ele’s balance patch ever…..

fadeaway.2807:

Lots of long posts here. I do hope nobody has the audacity to suggest eles are not overpowered.

Believe me…there is still someone who claims eles are perfectly fine and they are so powerful just because they belong to pro players….yeah…sure, but at the end of the day the only solution is to agree with them like you would do with annoying kids, arguing with some ppl is just pointless…waiting for some balance, if they are done with nerfing wars to the ground and planning fancy pve/wvsw events..

- bunker mesmer with portal – Bunker lol do you mean a normal shatter mesmer with portal just leaving it on side and coming back if needed? Or do you think it would be useful to bring portal on a bunker mesmer (Can’t stop asking myself why someone would actually drop a ranger to put a fixed mesmer bunkering side) if you have to hold a point?

- staff/sword+pistol mesmer – Shatter again

- greatsword /sword+pistol mesmer – And again

- confusion mesmer – Cond dmg mesmer? (lol) or just another shatter with his confusion lasting for about 3 secs with laughable dmg?

You know that you can actually use:

Staff/S-P
Staff/S-S
Staff/S-F
Gs/S-P
Gs/S-S
Gs/S-F

With the same main build 20/20/0/0/30 with maybe some 5 pnts variations right? And that those are like 99% of tpvp mesmer’s specs? Since if you go phantasms you have good dmg in 1vs1 only and it’s not viable for teamfights and support like you should be..

Try to google better next time

I still go with friends and i still soloq like before ladder….how?

Just don’t give a kitten about leaderboards, if i want to go solo or with friends (Even low ranked ones) i just go as usual…going with serious guild’s premades only just for some numbers on a worthless list? No thanks…

Merlin.4058:

daydream.2938:

Yap hotjoins are dominated by thiefs/mesmers. If its any consolation, the higher the level of play you go the less you will see this.

so if you want to get serious about tourney pvp start quing up and farming up ur mmr. Once you get a high rating teams like this disappear as that sort of team comp will get you destroyed when your facing decent opponents.

I’ll keep that in mind. If it helps, I’m an Engineer and not a very good one.

If you spec on condition dmg you can easily ruin pretty much every mesmer since you’re going to face 99% shatters in tpvp and some phantasms in hotjoin…and both of them are really weak against conditions since actual viable mesmer’s specs run with pretty much no condition removal (You can still use null field expec in spvp since you have to drop really important stuff if you want to use it in tpvp…but even with nullfield you just have to wait for it to end then you can destroy the mesmer)

Arheundel.6451:

Archaon.6245:

Arheundel.6451:

Archaon.6245:

Arheundel.6451:

A zerker mesmer will deal well over 15k dmg within half the CD required for you to heal up for 6k

lolwhat? Are you talking about real shatter mesmers or just some fantasy forum’s spec? You know they fixed 4k shatter bug months ago…

- Iduellist = 6-7k direct dmg + bleeding
- Izerker= 5-6k direct dmg
- Mindwrack = 2-3k direct dmg +confusion ( 20/20/0/0/30)

Zerker ele = 916 toguhness /1836 armor

Yeah sure because ppl usually go with both phantasm spec and shatter spec at the same time….didn’t know mesmers actually have 120 trait points instead of 70…2 amulets too? full berserker + full rabid i suppose…you know that confusion dealing so much dmg…

/facepalm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD3VhjQCEME&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPPASbjDRrQ&list=PLBF2912D72F052EC7

Amount of builds available to mesmer ( 5x the number of possible ele builds)
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/List-Find-your-Mesmer-Build-Guides/first

You don’t belong here, dunno what level you’re playing at…but it’s extremely low, your level of disiformation is mindblowing, it’s pretty much guaranteed that we will never find your name on the leaderboard, why are you even here?

Ok tell me how many tournaments builds do mesmers actually play at YOUR level (Because you know this is s-tpvp forum and we don’t talk about pve/wvsw here) really curious about it…seems your knowledge on mesmers is so great, or you just google some random stuff knowing pretty much nothing about what you’re saying? (As usual)

Please tell me all those viable tpvp builds. Thank you.

LOL linking builds with moa (Even from jan with pre-nerf tw available) and without portal and talkin’ about how great you are, i know stuff because i’m sooo proo…lol are you serious or what?

Off topic

Scepter/Sword Moa..cond dmg? No portal? wtf? u.u

Someone still ranting bout thieves? Even after quickness, revealed and caltrops nerf?

Cambra.7592:

3 in almost every team

http://i.qkme.me/3pxr6x.jpg

SwickHobo.5096:

lol epic fail post. No one cares that an ele can bunker. No one cares that they have excellent mobility. They care that they have both.

Not even worth trying, everyone already knows it…those who don’t admit it it’s just because they don’t want their cookie spec to be balanced….you know…

http://penguinpetes.com/gallery/MyWalls/pigeon_chess.png

Arheundel.6451:

Archaon.6245:

Arheundel.6451:

A zerker mesmer will deal well over 15k dmg within half the CD required for you to heal up for 6k

lolwhat? Are you talking about real shatter mesmers or just some fantasy forum’s spec? You know they fixed 4k shatter bug months ago…

- Iduellist = 6-7k direct dmg + bleeding
- Izerker= 5-6k direct dmg
- Mindwrack = 2-3k direct dmg +confusion ( 20/20/0/0/30)

Zerker ele = 916 toguhness /1836 armor

Yeah sure because ppl usually go with both phantasm spec and shatter spec at the same time….didn’t know mesmers actually have 120 trait points instead of 70…2 amulets too? full berserker + full rabid i suppose…you know that confusion dealing so much dmg…

/facepalm

haviz.1340:

Swapping weapons interrupts your current action while swapping attunements not.

If sigils proc like on weapon swap i really think anet forgot something…if it counts as weapon swap for sigils it must interrupt current actions, if it doesn’t interrupt, sigils must not work…lots of things to clarify about eles dear john and karl

If i’m going solo it’s for fun so i don’t care who i get in my team, if we are going to face a decent premade we are going to lose anyway so i don’t really care that much..

Another 59 euros so you can go soloq? lol i just soloq giving a kitten bout leaderboards…bet they’re going to reset them soon for some reason (Updates, bugs, natural disasters, alien attacks…they just need a good excuse cause they already know boards are just too messed up to fix) and probably more than once…so…who cares?

Arheundel.6451:

A zerker mesmer will deal well over 15k dmg within half the CD required for you to heal up for 6k

lolwhat? Are you talking about real shatter mesmers or just some fantasy forum’s spec? You know they fixed 4k shatter bug months ago…

Miku Lawrence.6329:

If you quit you get a loose credit. So just go with premade or hotjoin 5vs5.

Ehm…not really, if you quit it doesn’t count as a played match…it’s just like you never went in. Check it.

I know devs said it counts as a lost match but they also said pvp balance is pretty fine now…so….

Already lost all my hopes something like 2 updates ago. Everything would be fine…at this point i just don’t care anymore. 7 years of Guild Wars, the best pvp game ever, just trashed in a few months.

Go with premade only and quit if you’re loosing.

Like a pro. Yeah

kostbabis.8791:

Archaon what you are talking about is just frustrating gameplay for you..Doesnt necessarily means imbalance… He could be entirely worthless for the whole match offering nothing for the team or putting any meaningful pressure to far and still escape death as you mention
.Just saying

I’m not frustrated…i already know that eles are coming side and even if i manage to get them they can keep healing and coming back on demand, everyone knows it…as everyone knows that a bunker ele (And that’s the only class that can do that) can easily rush alone to your side at the beginning and keep it contested until you bring at least 2 ppl to kill him while being outnumbered at mid…you don’t even rant anymore you know it’s how things work, it’s just about dealing with it while devs are still busy nerfing warriors and planning awesome pve events…the whole pvp community knows the actual sotg about eles, someone just refuse to admit it because they only play ele and they can’t/don’t want to play anything else…so they obviously don’t want their class to be balanced, but if you look at every class comparison thread on this forum you’ll see that ele is number one in every single “class ladder” there are mesmers/rangers at 2nd and necros engis and so on spread through middle positions and warriors at the bottom…but everywhere ele is always 1st place and war is last…so no, it’s not only my opinion…

Caffynated.5713:

Archaon.6245:

I was pug 4 fun (Good old times) and he was r20 or something lol it would be a real problem if i can’t beat a r20…problem is that any other r20 with a different class just dies and it ends there, this one just kept running away coming back in seconds…sure he couldn’t do kitten but it just proves how easily you can avoid death and reset fights with just rtl away + massive healing, expec if you’re facing a class with less mobility than you (So pretty much everyone except maybe a thief, and you are not going to meet a thief defending a point alone for sure)

You didn’t say “this one time, a r20 ele came by and I beat him.”

As a side point mesmer i got many, and i mean MANY eles coming to my point, getting beaten, rtl away

Sure…in something like 1.8k tournaments i got many of those eles…i don’t understand what’s your point here…

Caffynated.5713:

Archaon.6245:

As a side point mesmer i got many, and i mean MANY eles coming to my point, getting beaten, rtl away (Since i can’t just leave the point to chase him, and even trying i’m not going to get him anyway) with 20% hp then come back full hp again to contest in just 3-4 secs and again, and again, and again…

I like the part where you repeatedly beat the ele and send him fleeing for his life “again, and again, and again…”, but then complain about how ele is OP.

Makes sense.

I was pug 4 fun (Good old times) and he was r20 or something lol it would be a real problem if i can’t beat a r20…problem is that any other r20 with a different class just dies and it ends there, this one just kept running away coming back in seconds…sure he couldn’t do kitten but it just proves how easily you can avoid death and reset fights with just rtl away + massive healing, expec if you’re facing a class with less mobility than you (So pretty much everyone except maybe a thief, and you are not going to meet a thief defending a point alone for sure)

RaynStargaze.6510:

(not aoe but who gives a kitten rly)

LOL have you EVER been in a tpvp teamfight? I’m not talkin’ about eles in stupid wvsw or hotjoin..i’m talkin’ about tourneys where aoes are the best way to win teamfights…you know, ppl fighting for a point, big dmg to everyone, ppl downed, point lost…you know that kind of stuff that is at the base of tpvp…

Btw did you really manage to eat a 20k full bs combo even after quickness nerf? Impressive…

Penguin.5197:

Glass cannon

and bunker

There is no middle ground

Oh yes there is…

valkirye steel-cannon eles

YEAH

GvG
GvG
GvG
GvG
GvG

…..and…..GvG

Interpret Interrupt.3824:

Bro they already balanced eles. They nerfed quickness and increased banner stats.
/sarcasm

Yeah quickness nerf totally ruined bunker and hybrid eles…poor guys, those dam warriors will be the next they can still land 2 hits while using hb!! Nerf them!

kostbabis.8791:

Archaon.6245:

But you can still gank the kitten out of a ranger/engi if you call for backup…they can’t troll you just getting away on demand..not saying bestmasters and hgh are not op, but i personally think they’re still not as good as eles atm…but anyway no problem, just nerf warriors again and everything would be fine..

you know running away doesnt win team fights.

As a side point mesmer i got many, and i mean MANY eles coming to my point, getting beaten, rtl away (Since i can’t just leave the point to chase him, and even trying i’m not going to get him anyway) with 20% hp then come back full hp again to contest in just 3-4 secs and again, and again, and again…if a thief comes to our close and if i play better than him he dies and i have some time to go help my team after leaving portal on point (And maybe he’s not coming back at all after being facerolled once) but if a BAD ele can’t just die because he simply outruns me, refull and come back in seconds i’m basically wasting my time just because they can pretty much evade death no matter how bad they are keep trolling all day…as a mesmer, aswell as thief or even dps guardian (And i think it’s the same for every class except ele) if i’m going to contest a defended side i know i have to carefully calculate my chances of winning because i know that i could possibly die leaving my team outnumbered for the whole respawn time (Since good ppl don’t let you run away even with thief, and if i manage to run away somehow i can’t go anywhere because i’m still low hp in “combat state” and i can’t refull on demand)…but yeah if i’m an ele i can rush everywhere i want and if they’re going to kik my kitten i can run away and get to the other side of the map in 5 secs flat with full health….that’s the main difference between eles and the rest of the world, other classes pay for mistakes and if you are vs a good team you are going to pay many points for such mistakes…eles can pretty much always rtl away from mistakes + best self healing in the game and invulnerability (Free stomps) + best mobility in the game + best aoe burst dmg in the game + possibility to run both bunker (And for a light armored class a really op bunker) or dps both really viable not to mention the hybrid valkirye kitten + ….shall i continue? maybe we can talk about spirit watch too….but yeah i know ele is fine, at least for those who play it…

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

Archaon.6245:

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

Archaon.6245:

RTL castable on target only, like mesmer’s illusions and phantasms.

Done

This would result in making the meta-ele nearly unviable, as rtl without the need of a target is the only thing because this class is working in tpvp.

They could still bunker and dps, they could still approach a contested point with a target with rtl…it would only bring down the ele “Oh crap rtl away for your life then heal up and go back” troll playstyle (That i consider ele’s major issue atm) and the ability to cross the whole map in 5 seconds….seems fair enough to me, they would still be much faster than other bunker specs…with less mobility than thieves on roaming, how it should be…they would work anyway imo, just a bit more fair maybe..

They could do everything they want. If it’s viable anymore is a different question.
RTL with a target makes elementalist not a faster roamer compared to a guard that use sword-port / judges intervention.
For me personally, nerf rtl is not the way to balance it.

Judge’s intervention is an utility skill…so if you compare flashing blade+judge’s intervention with rtl+lightning flash you get pretty much the same effect…with lightning flash requiring no target….so the ele chain would probably be still better…allowing you to “free target” roam more than a guardian…as a guardian you just have one swift on staff (That is not a must have weapon), one on a 60 sec cd shout (10sec) and one on Retreat (20sec) that is just a waste for an utility slot…nothing else for guardian’s free roaming..

kostbabis.8791:

Archaon.6245:

RTL castable on target only.

Done

lol no..pretty muchthe death this spell and eles mobility altogether.
d/d from high mobility setup becomes even slower than a mesm using phase retreat wen it comes to roaming..Not to mention the crap you take on wvw/pve players when they said they ar only gonna change numbers when it comes to skills
lol

They can split pvp and pve skills as they did with many others so it wouldn’t affect wvsw but only s-tpvp

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

Archaon.6245:

RTL castable on target only, like mesmer’s illusions and phantasms.

Done

This would result in making the meta-ele nearly unviable, as rtl without the need of a target is the only thing because this class is working in tpvp.

They could still bunker and dps, they could still approach a contested point with a target with rtl…it would only bring down the ele “Oh crap rtl away for your life then heal up and go back” troll playstyle (That i consider ele’s major issue atm along with valkirye spec) and the ability to cross the whole map in 5 seconds….seems fair enough to me, they would still be much faster than other bunker specs aswell as mesmers for example but they would need a target to do so…with less mobility than thieves on roaming, how it should be since anet clearly stated that thief is intended to be the best roaming class…they would work anyway imo, just a bit more fair maybe..

RTL castable on target only, like mesmer’s illusions and phantasms or flashing blade, steal, judge’s intervention, infiltrator’s strike, leap…and pretty much every long range (even shorter than rtl) gap closer. Done.

+10 …. +1 is not enough…

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

Well it’s pretty hard for an ele against ranger/engi due to heavy imobilize and constant conditions.

Always better than being a mesmer vs rangers or hgh

But you can still gank the kitten out of a ranger/engi if you call for backup…they can’t troll you just getting away on demand..not saying bestmasters and hgh are not op, but i personally think they’re still not as good as eles atm…but anyway no problem, just nerf warriors again and everything would be fine..

Lordrosicky.5813:

I love it when people pretend that the ele is hard to play well. It isnt. You can spam dodges due to perma vigor. You get boons just by clicking buttons. And even if you are bad enough to not dodge you have god like get out of jail cards like mist form. Then you dodge (can always dodge) after simply going into water and you are max health again. Not really complicated. Ele is by far the most forgiving class. You can even be bad enough to run into 3 dudes and still get out alive. Try that with a necro lol

You know you just exposed yourself to an huge “Omg ele is the higher skill cap class in tha gaaameee, you can’t get us because we’re so proo not because our class is broken! Shame on youuu…go play eleeee and seeee” And so on…scary thing is that someone playing ele actually thinks this…for real…

LEViTATiON.4350:

Lazarast.6571:

Eles do have higher burst than other profesions if spected so (base damage on spells). Actually they can kill quicker than a backstab thief glass cannon.

Sorry but no.
A backstab thief can kill you in 1 hit.
Something an elementalist can never achieve.

If you want people to take your arguments seriously you shouldnt post things that are obviously false to everyone who plays the game.

Never saw a thief (Or another dps spec) doing a 10k+ aoe combo while still having access to pretty much an entire weapon skillbar of healing/survival skills….did you?

LEViTATiON.4350:

You play a Warrior and you claim playing Elementalist is “faceroll”?

The Elementalist is by far the most skill reliant profession in the game.

Hope you’re just trolling…because…you’re trolling right?

Oh sure, a bunker who can travel the whole map in 5 secs is perfectly fine, all bunkers can do that…also rtl away and go back in 3 secs with full hp is fine too except for the fact that noone can contest far point fast enough to not let other team cap it and you can kill pretty much every class once they start dropping health except for eles, yes even those omg stealth thieves (They can stealth but they’re still there, they can’t use sbow #5 without going out of stealth, so you just have to spam aoes) and as far a i know dps eles still have the best sustained aoe dmg…you can literally spam aoes all day on a point forcing ppl out of it all the times and when it gets bad as usual “oh kitten” mist form>rtl and gg…

Bunkers have crap mobility and die when focused by 2+ ppl
Bunker eles have broken mobility and can reset fight as many times as they want

Dps classes have crap survivability and usually die in seconds if they make a mistake.
Dps eles can spam aoes all day long while still being able to get the kitten away from a bad situation and refull leaving you with two choices…leaving teamfight to chase them or continue teamfight and getting him back full hp in seconds..

The usual 1vs1 vs eles is like: He starts with rtl and his well known combo, you evade it, you blow all your stuff, you bring him to something like 25-30% hp and while you’re waiting for your skills to get ready to finish him off…puff he’s full health again, ok let’s try again…puff mist form….and again…rtl somewhere…puff again 100% hp, while you have your only healing skill on cd obviously…oh finally there’s someone coming from you team, now you can get this dam ele once and for……..oh well, time to go contesting another point, cya guys —-> rtl somewhere else..

Well not to mention spirit watch where they’re completely out of hand…

Nothing new…everyone knows that top ladder = best teams, there’s nothing about single players, those who have a good team and play more get more rewards, the same like old paids…

Ele is fine…nerf warriors, banners are so op…..lol

This is not gonna work imo..

Sprawl.3891:

So if player A beats player B 100 times out of 100 with the same class/gear/setup, but player B has 4 friends so he wins more matches and has a top 50 rank, who is the better player?

So you want to match up 2 players with the same class\gear and so on pretending to find the better one…

Ok so let’s put a champ illusionist vs someone with the same rank who never played mesmer…see what happens…or do you want to match up only ppl who play the same class? How you can possibly find who is better if one plays bunker guard only and the other plays bunker ele only? Try to read what you’re posting before clicking reply plz….

That’s why actual leaderboards suck…and pretty much everyone knows it…if you add leavers and crap matchmaking you have a bunch of really good reasons to go back gw1 if you want to play a decent pvp.

And btw…duels? Ok…i spec bunker with skills matched to counter your specific spec, now try to kill me 1vs1…….i give you all day…

yeah…duels…in a team + bunker based game…

bhagwad.4281:

Archaon.6245:

Again…no reason to balance a TEAM based game around 1vs1, this is not metin2.

/topic

It’s your opinion that it’s a team based game. You can certainly play that way if you want. There’s no reason however for it not be a solo game either.

Like I said, you should be able to trait your class to be either solo or support as the situation demands.

Oh well no…it’s not my opinion since you play in a team i suppose it’s a team based game, there’s nothing in this game really meant for solo playing, except, maybe, your pve personal (And it’s called PERSONAL for a reason) story…everything else is meant for cooperation…from pve to spvp to crap zerg vs zerg (Oh sorry..wvsw)

Again…no reason to balance a TEAM based game around 1vs1, this is not metin2.

/topic

Yeah let’s put an Healing-Tough-Vit amulet and let’s make pvp die once and for all.

There’s a reason why top players on the leaderboard are from very good teams who almost never go for soloq..if it’s player based then it should not advantage teams, and putting pugs vs premades it’s all about unbalance on a single player’s point of view…if you want to make it player based then you must make it as fair as possible about team composition and advantage, otherwise just make a team’s, guild’s or whatever based leaderboard and it would be fine.

This is not, not even close. You can balance ranks or your matchmaking crap but you must consider that TS makes it 5 vs 5+1 and that’s the main reason why premade vs pugs, even with same ranks, is not going to be fair…ever.

We all know that best players are just those who have better and more organized premades…and being top rank doesn’t really mean you’re the best around…just that you have the best team and/or you have so much time to play….spending time farming =/= skills and in europe i think we have a great example in our top 5…just leave if you’re losing lol….

And it comes from someone who goes both premade and solo

Sprawl.3891:

TLDR – match making is broken or there just aren’t very many people playing so it is still matching good teams vs bad teams.

Nothing new…matchmaking is broken from the infaustus day it was introduced…now it’s just getting more clear cause looking at lboard ppl can actually see how bad it works..

Duels…just LOL

What’s next? Hotzerg board?