Guild Wars 2

jportell.2197:

Archaon.6245:

jportell.2197:

Play a thief I’m guessing? I have not once made a single attack at you but buddy you deserve it seriously… Yes this is a glaring issue like it or not…. And it has already been shown that one hasted thief can still melt through a bunker guardians defenses in seconds flat. And its kinda hard to go help your team mate if you are being held up by one of the other thieves (by that I mean killed coming right out of your gate.) A team with 3 insta kill thieves and two bunkers is far more deadly than any team of multiple bunkers and balanced specs.

As i said before, try to read before posting, i stopped playing thief in tpvp cause mesmer brings much much more to the team….an hasted thief can melt only through a brain dead bunker guardian, and you have not to use a single skill, cause pretty much everything you would press could ruin a backstab combo…i don’t know one single bunker guardian who would go down vs a backstab thief, no way…maybe vs a condition one on the long run, but a bunker guardian just laughs at glass thieves, even at two of them…and again, a thief can istant gib only other glass cannons…if they managed to oneshot everyone in your team, including your bunker…well, believe me…time to change team…

If this bunker is already tied up with the other bunker then yes it can and will happen. The team composition we ran was a d/d ele bunker guard, bunker ranger, minion necro, and a shatter mes… the opposing team was 3 thieves a bunker guard and one ele… The thieves instantly melted through the balanced specs we had and were able to gang up on the bunker guard and after the ranger.. .I don’t care how you say it thieves are not fun to play against and the 3 of them bring more to a team in terms of pure deadliness this is not balance.

3 bunkers, a minion necro and a mesmer…….dps? How can you do something with 3 no dmg bunkers (If d\d valkyrie let’s say low dmg), 1 condition i suppose (Wtf minions) necro and a shatter mesmer? The only one with dmg here is the mesmer, and mesmer is already cosidered more support than dps…how can you possibly manage to kill something with that setup? Not jocking man, now i understand how you lost vs a team running 3 thieves…even if your ele was dps it wouldn’t be enough…and for god’s sake drop minions already u.u

jportell.2197:

Play a thief I’m guessing? I have not once made a single attack at you but buddy you deserve it seriously… Yes this is a glaring issue like it or not…. And it has already been shown that one hasted thief can still melt through a bunker guardians defenses in seconds flat. And its kinda hard to go help your team mate if you are being held up by one of the other thieves (by that I mean killed coming right out of your gate.) A team with 3 insta kill thieves and two bunkers is far more deadly than any team of multiple bunkers and balanced specs.

As i said before, try to read before posting, i stopped playing thief in tpvp cause mesmer brings much much more to the team….an hasted thief can melt only through a brain dead bunker guardian, and you have not to use a single skill, cause pretty much everything you would press could ruin a backstab combo…i don’t know one single bunker guardian who would go down vs a backstab thief, no way…maybe vs a condition one on the long run, but a bunker guardian just laughs at glass thieves, even at two of them…and again, a thief can istant gib only other glass cannons…if they managed to oneshot everyone in your team, including your bunker…well, believe me…time to change team…

jportell.2197:

Archaon.6245:

jportell.2197:

There are issues with people who say thieves are bad in high tier pvp….Lets put it this way you can have a team of 5 or even 3 thieves and two something else whatever… and they can run the full insta kill spec… And contribute more to their team than any fully supported spec of any profession? Why? Because you can’t fight back if you are dead… 2thieves vs 2 anything else is a night mare… People that say thieves are a joke in high tier pvp are delusional and most likely play thieves.

a team with 3 thieves lol? I think you’re confusing with eles…actually a decent bunker guardian or ele can handle even 3 glass thieves at once, vs 2 you don’t even need your 6 (Talking bout guardian)…you can just block, evade and knockback them…and once they miss the combo they can do pretty much nothing for 45 secs…or you can spec retaliation and let them kill themselves..

So you have the one bunker guard on your team… And yes it was 3 thieves and yes that team destroyed us.. Why because they had 2 other bunker specs… So say the bunkers are hashing it out here comes one of the 3 thieves kitten he is at half health oh hey steal is of CD lemme just handle this mug+cnd+bs+hs haste combo.. yup he’s dead okay I’m off to go insta kill one of the non glass non bunker balanced builds that is trying to back cap temple or altar…. OH wait the other thief on my team already handled it. Yes this is a glaring issue I don’t care how you try to defend it…

If those thieves went all on the bunker (No way to down him if not) and since thieves have only single target skills i just wonder where the rest of the team was…..“Oh they downed our guardian and they have no stability and all we need is an aoe on him to prevent them from stomping so we can ress…or just continue aoe\spam conditions and melt them down….” “Uhmmm no! Let’s go picknick instead, then let’s rush to forums to whine” lol

And just another ps…if glass thief is visible he’s dead…if glass thief is invisible he can’t cap…if glass thief downs someone 90% of the times he can’t stomp him also….save those tips and thank me later..

jportell.2197:

There are issues with people who say thieves are bad in high tier pvp….Lets put it this way you can have a team of 5 or even 3 thieves and two something else whatever… and they can run the full insta kill spec… And contribute more to their team than any fully supported spec of any profession? Why? Because you can’t fight back if you are dead… 2thieves vs 2 anything else is a night mare… People that say thieves are a joke in high tier pvp are delusional and most likely play thieves.

a team with 3 bs thieves lol? I think you’re confusing with eles…actually a decent bunker guardian or ele can handle even 3 glass thieves at once (Already happened sometimes in zergjoin, because you know, noone rolls 3 glass thieves in the same team, unless they just want to suicide), vs 2 you don’t even need your 6 (Talking bout guardian)…you can just block, evade and knockback them…and once they miss the combo they can do pretty much nothing for 45 secs steal cd (Yeah they can c&d and bs you, but if someone goes stealth with c&d you know it’s time for aegis up)…or you can spec retaliation and let them kill themselves..and yes thief is actually worse than eles, guardians, mesmers and even rangers in tpvp right now…there’s a reason if i play mesmer rather than thief (Guardian is just boring)…mesmer brings much much more team support and can kill classes that a thief just can’t (If they have a proper working brain)…like eles or rangers..

Weak backstab and died with 2hs…there’s no way to use 2 hearthseekers while in stealth, he went visible after backstab so we have 2 options here..

He did backstab, he waited 3 secs of revealed buff, he went stealth again (Hide in shadows probably) and you got 1hs from stealth and 1 hs with him already visible…so backstab (4k lol) ->3 seconds + hide in shadows cast time->1 hs from stealth->1hs visible…a total of around 5 secs minimum, really long time to react.

He backstabbed and just used 2 hs while visible…3 seconds but with 9k hs dmg easily avoidable since everyone pops up a defensive skill after being backstabbed, or just dodges away…

In both examples it was totally counterable…and really far from being a oneshot..like 100nades for example..

PS. It’s way easier to counter a single target skill like hs than an aoe from a dps ele…just saying..

6 months and still nothing…wtf anet?? seriously?

Same 42:6:3:2158 here. Cannot log in from Italy

Deified.7520:

Archaon.6245:

Deified.7520:

Archaon.6245:

Deified.7520:

Honestly I just made a mesmer and went confusion. I’ve wont about 4/5 1 round turnys (pug) with him and I’ve probably died about 3 times and i’ve killed about 12 people. They’re good…haha.

Or you just faced bad ppl :P

Probably that. The only person I saw with really noticeable, and I think high up gear, was a warrior in full arah and I destroyed him haha. Ill keep playing though and see how he does. So far I like him a lot.

Well full arah (In spvp it’s called orrian) is now pretty common around because ppl just farmed loser’s chests in 1vs1 toss paids and crafted it (You need paid tokens for it, and you get them salvaging paid tornament gear from chests)…pretty much anyone who farmed chests even without winning a single paid match crafted it so it’s not reflecting skills at all…at least not anymore… Btw if you want to learn how to play it properly, with portal, time warp, illusion of life and other support skills i suggest you to go 8vs8 tourneys cause 1vs1 map it’s a mess right now, well maybe not a mess but you’re not going to play classes the way you would in the other 3\4 with toss tpvp maps…or you just have to wait for 1vs1 map change…thx god…

I’m new to Mesmer and sPvP in general. There are 8v8 turnys? Is that the 3 round one? I’m a bit scared to do that as a pug, and pre patch I once waited like 40mins to get into a game. Are the que times better?

Que times are a little bit longer than 1vs1 but usually it’s like 5 min wait during “active” parts of the day..late morning, afternoon and evening 9pm – 1am

Deified.7520:

Archaon.6245:

Deified.7520:

Honestly I just made a mesmer and went confusion. I’ve wont about 4/5 1 round turnys (pug) with him and I’ve probably died about 3 times and i’ve killed about 12 people. They’re good…haha.

Or you just faced bad ppl :P

Probably that. The only person I saw with really noticeable, and I think high up gear, was a warrior in full arah and I destroyed him haha. Ill keep playing though and see how he does. So far I like him a lot.

Well full arah (In spvp it’s called orrian) is now pretty common around because ppl just farmed loser’s chests in 1vs1 toss paids and crafted it (You need paid tokens for it, and you get them salvaging paid tornament gear from chests)…pretty much anyone who farmed chests even without winning a single paid match crafted it so it’s not reflecting skills at all…at least not anymore… Btw if you want to learn how to play it properly, with portal, time warp, illusion of life and other support skills i suggest you to go 8vs8 tourneys cause 1vs1 map it’s a mess right now, well maybe not a mess but you’re not going to play classes the way you would in the other 3\4 with toss tpvp maps…or you just have to wait for 1vs1 map change…thx god…

Deified.7520:

Honestly I just made a mesmer and went confusion. I’ve wont about 4/5 1 round turnys (pug) with him and I’ve probably died about 3 times and i’ve killed about 12 people. They’re good…haha.

Or you just faced bad ppl :P

Purie.9046:

JoakimFA.4713:

Mesmers can be quite tricky. If I’m (A Longbow/SnB Warrior) against an okay mesmer, most of the time I’m able to beat them if my timing is right.
Against good mesmers, its a 50/50 with me, if not they usually defeat me more than I defeat them.

Use my tactic. Change longbow into riffle. Go into a bush and wait till mesmer passes by. Press 5. Collect points. If he luckily evaded just bull charge frenzy 100b.

Time to check bushes around i suppose…..oh well i’ll send our ranger for that, rangers love bushes… u.u

Darek.1836:

Use your pull skill and then prybar them followed by nades. It will absolutely destroy them and they can’t get away.

Any decent mesmer just laugh at 100nades, as soon as you try to cc (Pull, net or whatever) or just go in range dodge and\or f4 (Your burst is gone), leap and swap if needed, f3 even with no clones up(Illusionary persona <3), decoy, mirror images, f1 and you’re dead…bf just to make sure…hp lost? 0 if you did right..

The strengh of 100nades is the istant burst (I’f done correctly), even “more istant” than backstab…but vs a mesmer this is a weakness cause distorsion traited with illusionary persona is enough to negate all burst, even with no clones up…second bad thing bout 100nades vs mesmer is that you have to go really close to the target to make barrage work as intended…and if you’re close to the mesmer he can also use diversion from himself to rupt you pretty easily and open up for mind wrack, or go bf while you’re dazed..if you are glass never go too close to a mesmer (Well, unless you’re a thief in stealth xD)

Deified.7520:

I’ve been trying to figure this out and can’t seem to figure it out as an engineer.

If I focus on downing their clones they either rush and explode on me taking half my hp or the player starts doing a ton of damage. If i focus on the player then the clones just do their abilities on me and then explode and do a ton of damage.

How are do you guys counter mesmers? Especially as an engy.

Drop engi and go ele…done xD Anyway, watch for clones coming at you and dodge, keep an eye on confusion stacks, spot the real mesmer (Hard for begginners, automatic as soon as you make experience) looking at hp bar, conditions, distinctive signs (Titles, sigils, finishers if he’s dumb enough to use them cause they appear only on the real one), dodges, bf and skills in general…clones only cast autoattack, don’t dodge and are always full hp since they explode as soon as they get just a little damage..if you get cc stunbreak immediately because a huge mind wrack in coming 90% of times (If you are dazed dodge..if you can’t dodge either move away anyway cause mind wrack is usually coupled with bf, you’ll eat the shatter but you can get away from bf), fill him up with tons of conditions, cc him to prevent him from dodging, no dodges = a lot less clones to shatter, aoes in general to destroy clones and phantasms, watch for illusionary leap, when it comes get the kitten away….and so on…there are many many ways to counter mesmers once you know how they work..

The problem here is not how to stop someone using rtl…you can cc it sure, the problem is different and it’s really simple..

If RTL is considered a teleport skill you must drop the orb when using it, if it’s not considered a teleport but just a normal movement skill it MUST be affected by orb’s slow and conditions like every other kittening movement skill. Period.

I don’t give a kitten if i can counter it, i already kill ppl using rtl and i can cc them….but it must follow the rules applied to any other skill anyway.

HA and GvG (With ladder…read again…LADDER)>whatever you can possibly find in gw2. End of the story.

Even at r12 after years of HA when you hold halls you fell satisfied and proud to see your name in world notifications…when you win here just after a couple of months you’re just…meh, ok…go again………sad……

Aurum.9534:

so you cant craft them anymore? And do you mean the chests that you get for winning, or the ones you buy from the new ticket vendor?

Both from 1vs1 tourney and ticket vendor are actually paid chests and you get paid tokens salvaging items from them..8vs8 tourn gives free tourn chests instead of paid ones.

So you can still craft inquest, guild (wtf still there -.-) and orrian (crit) with paid token + 5 powders + armor token + sliver …the same for weapons with weapon tokens

Different materials (Orb, crystal or sliver) give you different gear levels orb<crystal<sliver

Darek.1836:

Whether you want to face it or not, wvw has more skilled players than tpvp does by far (in terms of average skill, completely opposite).

Made my day…lol…go zerg somewhere else, seriously…everyone can be good playing with 20 other ppl, no personal skills involved…your zerg is bigger? You have better gear and oulevel others? You win…otherwise you lose, no skills required…there is a reason if wvsw counts as “pve” with pve skills, gear, rewards and so on…spvp is another world, same gear, same level, only personal playing makes the difference between being bad or good…if i roll an engy lv80 with full exotics (But never went in pvp) and i go wvsw i can still roflstomp ppl as long as i stay with the zerg or facing underlevel\gear ppl, in tpvp if i take a engi without knowing how to properly play it i’ll be dead meat in seconds vs pretty much anyone…..that’s the main difference…

Btw i can clearly see the difference with my guildmates, ppl who are good in tpvp all rock in wvsw (lol our core ele went wvsw for fun yesterday and owned a 8 ppl group alone at a supply camp while laughing on ts, then he left cause it started to get boring after 20 mins facerolling random ppl around; his exact words were “Wvsw it’s just like going duck hunting with a minigun, hotjoin actually requires skills compared to this”) but there are many wvsw veterans with 20 30k kills and stuff that are just plain terrible when they have to go play in a tournament, and this is not a statistic or bs like that, it’s a fact..i actually know ppl playing both wvsw and spvp and the skill difference is just epic, i don’t think i’m the one who has to face reality here…just look at game devs: Do they ask wvsw “uber pro” zergers and kitten..or do they ask high level tpvp players when they want a feedback bout pvp? We all know the answer..

And, just for you to know…this is spvp forum, and here ppl talk about spvp only…because, as i said before, it’s a totally different world…so, if you want to talk about wvsw experience, just go to the proper section because noone here gives a kitten about wvsw zergfest since skills, gear, builds, stats, achivements, mechanics and so on are different…

td;dr
wvsw = pve mechanics (Gear, skills, char level, gold…all from pve) and this is the wrong forum’s section, go whine on wvsw forum instead
sPvP = pvp mecanics and this is the place where we talk about it

Darek.1836:

Hi guys, Ill keep it simple.
I have 600 hours on a ranger, and I consider myself to be one of the best rangers around. Recently, I rolled a mesmer and got a build from a friend. At about 5 hours of play time, I far surpassed my skill as a ranger. Without even learning exactly what is going on, I’m already better than I was at 600 hours on another class.. I don’t think thats right.

A wvsw player claiming to be “the best ranger around” this post is getting freakin’ hilarious …i know ppl with 1000+ hours of tpvp (Read again tpvp) and 250+ qpnts with the same class saying they’re not even close to be really good….just saying…funny thing is that all those “i’m the best [add class here]” usually get facerolled badly when facing someone just above a mediocre skill level in tpvp….

jportell.2197:

Not gonna say anything bad bout that vid… ele was def good… But the highlight was the cross racial flash mob… Epic win… That was prolly the best freaking part.

/dance* ftw xD

dreztina.4820:

Mesmers are gamebreakingly overpowered. I don’t give a kitten what anyone says. They are hands down the most powerful class in the game. Nothing else even comes close. I truly don’t understand in the least how they don’t get nerfed to more reasonable levels.

You forgot eles….oh yes, i see you play ele….pretty hilarious you whine bout mesmers when you’re playing a d\d ele..let me guess..valkyrie? Rofl

Side note: This is spvp forum.. so we’re talkin’ about spvp not wvsw crap…

CrassBippy.4619:

Made a mesmer (the go to build at the moment)

and played 4 hot join sPVP never dying once. matches were 14-0,16-0,13-0 and 17-0. zerk ammy

thoughts? discussion? anyone else think they are way too survivable for how squishy they are? even thieves can be stunned and taken down fast…. mesmers? every skill is a stun break. dont even get me started on how bad they are in WVW

…you can roflstomp ppl in hot join with a new class with the right build very easily, btw taking down glass thieves with mesmer is a joke, thief is probably the easiest class to kill with mesmer (Well wars also, but every class can kill an up warrior xD)….try again with a valkyrie hybrid ele or a ranger (not those bullkitten “wvsw style” pew pew with zerk amulet please, i mean..a real ranger..) and you’ll see the difference..or just go tpvp vs decent opponents…

Happened to me many times too…we only go premade and we had everyone up ready, submitted rooster with everyone accepted and then we went in and found out that someone didn’t get the go now window and we were 4+1 pug with our fifth mate in hom…all of this on ts so i know they were not afk or something, they just didn’t get the go now window, we could still chat in party and when we went out he was still in party with us like nothing happened…wtf?

For the “high rewarding” thing judas said above…well orrian is no more an high reward, after all those 1vs1 loser’s paid chests farming pretty much everyone (From the best ones to the worst) wear orrian…offtopic but sad btw…once upon a time if you spotted someone wearing orrian you were sure he was probably good, now he’s just another one who farmed paid chests..

Jasper Jadeite.7820:

Hi Folks,
Hey , I just gotta know why I’ve been getting a lot of threats, unacceptable name calling, and intimidation in the PVP arenas from players who say they are “dueling” I think I can safely assume that the server would not place me there if I wasn’t OK to be there.
Some of these players tell me not to cap or to leave the area or engage in unacceptable name calling as if I’m doing something wrong. I’ve reported several of the name callers to admin but I guess what I really need clarification on is why this is being allowed to happen all the time now. It’s as if these players own the arena and can tell anyone anything they want with no oversight now . Some clarification on this matter from admin would be most helpful now. Any Suggestions?

If they say please just leave them and just join something else, if they insult report them. Simple, it’s not educated to insult ppl just because they joined a party were ppl are dueling (Dunno how ppl have fun doing that cause dueling has no point in a team game like guild wars and 1vs1 means pretty much nothing but who has the best build vs the other, doesn’t really show who is the more skilled, unless maybe both run the same, and those are usually “mine is bigger, you know what..” cases..but i know, this is another story) but if they ask you (civilly) to leave just leave them alone, start attacking someone or capping around while everyone else is just dueling is not educated too imo. So it’s up to you…and them how to solve those problems.

hharry.1967:

All i saw was:

Eles dodge too muh, nerf!! -> Most of the classes can do this, have u ever seen a ranger or engi?

Eles heal too much! nerf!! -> thats needed, its their game mechanic due to such low armor and hp

Oh yes…but i think u noticed that noone actually heals 2.5k+ just dodging around…am i wrong? An ele can refull his hp in seconds without touching 6 (That btw many times is the only healing skill given to other classes or specs) or utilities…just dodges and weapon skills…even a guardian can’t do that and he also has no mobility and no dmg if specced bunker…but yes ele (Expec valkirie, the most broken of them all) is fine, at last for those who play it, obviously..

Run a bunker ele and 4 dps or whaterver you want>take the orb with ele eventually supported by a full altar rush at the beginning>when ele gets the orb the other four go to cap points while ele keeps running in circles trolling at last 2 of them trying to down him with rtl, mist form, dodges and whatever just to stay alive while kittening around (Never go too far, so if sometimes he’s in trouble one dps can always go backup the ele, kittening around under your side base it’s the best), if he drops it just go back and take it or just hold ppl at altar(If they down the ele and get it let them go just wait for next)>rest of the team caps points while half of other team is still trying to chase that ele>profit

Worked like 9/10..if you have a decent bunker ele you can pretty much “neutralize” the orb feature while being in numerical advantage while playing normal point holding with 4 ppl for the entire match..or at least a great part of it, until they realize you’re just trolling them…but it’s usually too late.

You decided not to nerf eles decently giving them an ele-based map instead? Ok, if you can’t fix lame mechanics it’s time to use them…and abuse off course… Already planning an epic 4 D\D Valkyrie eles + mesmer\trap ranger trollteam for this map (Just wondering 4 eles going aoe under time warp at first orb fight)…i’ll give u news asap

If target drops pet must drop it too, no kitten.

Asgard.9046:

I think if you do not react now and give a statement on how your plans are for GW2 PVP than I think you will loose a lot of players, including me.

No…time for plans is over, now they have to really work on pvp….tired bout plans and promises (Next kittening patch, we’re looking on it and kitten like that)..they only work on pve and kittenin’ kitten wvsw while only planning things for pvp fooling us forever, give pvp the same attention you give to pve or ppl are just gonna leave this game.

Oh and…wait wait…now we traded our tickets for those “new” chests with “new rewards”…

Don’t talk bs anet, those are the kittening gold chest from the old paids 1st place (8vs8)….wtf are you considering us stupid or what? Where are those so called new armors and weapons? Bought like 25 of them and all i got are molten, nighmare, guild and orrians + other normal crap like golden and kitten…and i already have all of these…shame on you guys, just…shame..

Ostricheggs.3742:

Don’t feel bad. Condi Engis are as OP as d/d valk eles IMO. People just need to L2P.

Think i already met condition engis and they’re not stronger than condition necros imo…at last 1vs1 from a bunker guardian’s point of view, with other classes maybe i faced some in mid team fights but inside the mess you can’t really notice how strong a single one is expec if there’s also a necro spamming wells around….so dunno, but well i have to tell our engi he must give it a try..

What’s the problem with an engi getting up again? He’s an engi..just make an ele and down him again, and again and again…

Let engis rez up, they’re already screwed in pvp right now, never rolled engi but if you play a mesmer you can clearly see how bad that class is, from an outside view you can actually feel their effort while dropping bombs, dodging, turret here, a net there…and they eventually go down pretty much every time….engis are really UP right now, getting up or not doesn’t matter that much imo…buff them first and then fix self-rez, and i’m saying this as someone who never used an engi in pvp, not my class for sure but, oh god, you feel bad for them even if you don’t play it..

Yesterday a guildmate joined us in paids (He mains engi and he also plays bunker guard)…

Ark can you please take thief or mez?
Sure..np
Because, you know, if you stay guardian i have to take the engi ç_ç

Just an example…

Defektive.7283:

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/big-changes-to-pvp-paid-tournaments-replaced-by-free-tournaments/

Ow god……wait……tickets for what? Free tourn chests? So all i can do with tickets now is buying 150+ free tournament chests full of crap?? They’re not worth the time it takes to salvage all that kitten….

Seriously wtf?? From gems + paid tokens to no gems + paid tokens to freakin’ nothing…… next time what? Are we going to pay golds if we win?

Ayestes.1273:

I guess we simply have different experiences. While there is always a zerg that runs about, I’ve always found one or two people on the sides.

Well i don’t go hotjoin that much so maybe i’m just really unlucky xD

Ayestes.1273:

Hotjoin isn’t necessarily an unskilled zergfest. Especially if you avoid the zerg. You can get tons of 1v1, 1v2, 2v2, 2v3, and 1v3 fights that are a whole lot of fun. You just literally avoid your own zerg. Heck it actually wins you more games too alongside picking up tons of capping glory. I personally find I get more glory by avoiding the zerg then by joining it and having some battle over a neuted cap point.

It’s not properly competitive, but it’s not necessarily an unskilled zergfest either.

Usually if you avoid zerg you end up being alone while the 7 ppl group is fighting in the middle of nowhere, the only way i know to bring some order in hotjoin (If there are others from tpvp or with a proper brain, if not it’s just a waste of time) is literally flaming ppl in team chat not to zerg…sometimes they realize it and they start defending and capping things playing like a team and not like a bunch of crazy chickens…and sometimes they just answer you “We’re here to have fun not to cap points” At that point quitting is the only solution before getting reported for insulting ppl..

Ossa.7482:

Archaon.6245:

Are your warlords also up in gw2?

Sort of. I remade the guild and invited everybody from GW1, but no one from the HA core is playing except me and Champen afaik.

Same here…we made a guild but we got only gw1 pve guys, the only one high rank ha player in my ita guild [PN] is Ransie…most of ha guys are not on gw2 right now, and someone like chamalee already left cause pvp is kind of a beta level right now, always same things, bugs, lamers, boring matches and so on…for example i was talkin’ with starcraft some time ago, he went from US to EU months ago and he’s still not getting rewards from tornaments so he’s forced to go hotjoin if he wants to do something in pvp….things like that don’t encourage ppl to play for sure….i really hope anet does something about this situation, a nice and fun pvp would bring much more gw1 ppl here imo, you would probably agree that at the end of the day, or at last for me, you sometimes end up asking yourself why are you still playing….rank in worthless, qpnts too, i don’t give a kitten bout aesthetic stuff and pve/wvsw…probably i’m still playing cause i still hope things will change one day..

Hotjoin is good only to test things or to get some honor while waiting for tournament match to start….we all know that for everything else is just a crap unskilled zergfest, let’s say hotjoin is like a 1:100 scaled down wvsw…nough said..

Arheundel.6451:

Archaon.6245:

Pretty fun how ppl actually think thieves are so easy to play…thief is probably one of the hardest classes to play properly in tpvp that’s why you don’t see so many good ones around…apparently ppl base their judjement on hotjoin crap where everyone can pretty much kill everyone else with almost everything…. Spamming hs is one thing, but i don’t consider hs spammers at all, we can say thief has a really low floor skill just haste and spam hs…but ceiling is well above let’s say eles, with ele once you get into skill rotation you’re pretty much done and if you run valkirie you can make lots of mistakes and still survive (You know..mist form, rtl, op heals, vigor, regen and so on…), in high end pvp if you make one, just one, mistake with a thief you’re down…no matter what. Low floor? Yes maybe, aswell as pew pew or trap rangers or hb wars and so on…ceiling? Very very high…a thief needs to be really really good to match up even with mediocre eles, you know you can’t just go in steal.c&d.bs -> stomp, if you think so you never played a dps thief in paids and i suggest you to try running one with all this low skill floor and survive more than 5 secs in a paids team fight, really give it a try before talkin’ bullkitten

What kind of skill do you need to go stealth and land a 6k backstab? Well it’s pointless trying to reason with you…..

But it’s very very amusing how a thief come here and tell others that they’re bad players because they use loads of defensive utility and build set up to counter….lol…a newb friendly profession that can deal over 12k dmg within 1.5s while invisible, not only the same developers have admitted that thief is a very low skill cap profession compared to elementalist but also few months ago, thief players used to call nabs anybody who used to go in PvP without defensive builds including stun breakers , anybody who used to complain about thieves ( and still does) get quickly deemed as noob for not bringing stun breakers, basically thief players consider their profession legitimate because you can still survive by being forced in using extreme defensive set up…amusing.

Plus..want to compare RTL with shortbow thieves? I can’t surely teleport on top f the stairs from the bottom of the arc in Forest of Nifheel and neither I can teleport on top of the tower from the bottom, I can’t cover the same distance of a thief using his shortbow three times consecutively so I can’t catch a thief at all…as he can still go stealth, in wvwvw a short bow thief can outrun 20+ people where a rtl ele can’t

You complain about mistform? You forget: elixir S, endure pain, distortion and more

Sorry when I beat 1vs1 these r40+ mesmers/warriors/thieves ….with a staff where are my OP heal if I use soldier amulet and a single cantrip ?
sorry dude there are no low skill cap builds on ele or you suck or you don’t
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0togRMEc_o

You’re delusional if you think an ele need to have healing power to beat a thief and there are very nasty surprises coming your way dude

Aaaaand this is an example, thank for bringing it to us…. So you think that all you have to do with a thief in tpvp is going stealth and lands backstabs around? lol Have you ever seen lowell playing? Go tell him you’ve just to go stealth and press 2 buttons while playing thief….nothing more to say, arguing with ignorant ppl is just pointless. Yes you play an ele so you’re so pro and awesome, i think anet would call you next time to give them opinions about pvp….they must stop asking those nab thieves…tell them to fire JS also and take you instead…

All hail the new guild wars 2 master. /salute

Btw if you say you can own every good thief you face (even without healing), well it’s probably because you just outclass them…or do you really think you’re a better player than everyone else? Yeah he has a gun and i have a tank….buhahaha…..i killed you nooob, i’m so prooo!!111!!!11! Try to run a thief and go 1vs1 with a decent ele…let’s see how pro you really are..you’re just like a bunker guardian thinking he has skills because he can laugh at hb wars..

Pretty fun how ppl actually think thieves are so easy to play…thief is probably one of the hardest classes to play properly in tpvp that’s why you don’t see so many good ones around…apparently ppl base their judjement on hotjoin crap where everyone can pretty much kill everyone else with almost everything…. Spamming hs is one thing, but i don’t consider hs spammers at all, we can say thief has a really low floor skill just haste and spam hs…but ceiling is well above let’s say eles, with ele once you get into skill rotation you’re pretty much done and if you run valkirie you can make lots of mistakes and still survive (You know..mist form, rtl, op heals, vigor, regen and so on…), in high end pvp if you make one, just one, mistake with a thief you’re down…no matter what. Low floor? Yes maybe, aswell as pew pew or trap rangers or hb wars and so on…ceiling? Very very high…a thief needs to be really really good to match up even with mediocre eles, you know you can’t just go in steal.c&d.bs -> stomp, if you think so you never played a dps thief in paids and i suggest you to try running one with all this low skill floor and survive more than 5 secs in a paids team fight, really give it a try before talkin’ bullkitten

12 (After that i realized it would take too much time to go any further) i was prot and sometimes pd/pb when manuel (Specialist) couldn’t play, i left gw for studying when lord was r9 and when i got back he was r13 xD Still went with them and asmo in balanced many times…i totally left gw when lord got banned (Don’t ask ._.) and woom pretty much disbanded…sadly he said he’s not coming back to gw2 but i keep stalking him on facebook to change his mind. Are your warlords also up in gw2?

Ok we decided we can give a try to non ita also…send a mail to Malkaviana.1085 with rank, classes you play and qpnts if you have, we’ll give you an answer asap

See you in game

SapphireGrace.7123:

Having played quite a few paids before the change to one round and afterwards, I want to make an honest suggestion…

My team and I end up facing teams that optimize their builds for the map and allows little freedom to run other things. You end up facing things you would never see if they did not know the map. E.g. it is Foefire this week and you see double Time Warp because the Graveyard is very important in this map and is prone to zergs. In Khylo week you saw three Mesmers with portals to the Trebuchet. Unless it’s meant to be this way, why can’t the map be randomized? It takes a lot of the competitive feeling out of the game, and gets boring to run only one build.

You know you can switch characters while waiting for the game to start right? Randomized maps won’t prevent ppl from setting up classes/builds for that specific map…they’ll just have to do it faster, but pretty much everyone who plays, like me, more than one class in tpvp, has all his pvp characters ready to go if class switch is needed (Personally i’ve got even 2 different thieves DPS/Venom Sharing ready)…many times you need to change char with fixed map also, depending on who are you facing atm.

You can show only Champion Paragorn.Shadow.Illusionist and so on from winning 150 tpvp matches, the 200 hotjoin wins achievements don’t give you titles. Anyway here you have the complete list of the spvp achievements where you can see if something is going to give you a pvp title or not. http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/PvP_Conqueror

Lots of ppl asked me if we’re recruiting italian players only, so we decided to talk about getting also non italian ppl tomorrow as soon as our leader is on…as i said to the ones who whispered me in game just send me a game-mail and i’ll give you an answer as soon as we decide what to do. Anyway i suggest everyone not to use whispers cause sometimes they get lost in chat if we’re afk or stuff like that, game mail is the way to go you can send to me or to my mates michele said before

Thank you.

Ark

Lordrosicky.5813:

Amaterasu.6280:

Rank requirements are reasonable…

In this game, rank DOES at least indicate the time you’ve spent pvping…and as a previous poster said, it is a justification that you know what you’re doing.

HOWEVER, I do a lot of high-tier tpvp and I’ve played with/against many 30-40+ people who aren’t up to caliber…BUT I can assure you that they are better than the lvl 10s and 20s mostly.

Since rank is so hard to level in this game, it just indicates the amount of time you’ve dedicated to it…and if you’ve spent so much time pvping, chances are you WILL get better with rank. Even if you’re a hotjoin hero, you would (normally) at least know the ins and outs of your class. You may not know how to properly play with a group in tpvp, but at least you can hold your own.

QPs however, is a joke. Some of the people with the highest QPs are mediocre at best. I don’t understand why people advertise for QP requirements for pvp.

You think rank requirements are resonable, when most people have done most of their rank in hotjoin.

And yet you think that QPs are a joke when all they are is essentially a rank for paid tournaments which show how much you have played in paids just like rank shows how much you have played at all?

Sorry that logic doesnt make sense to me dude!

Paid rank it’s actually called “I have more qpnts than you” but it doesn’t mean better skills either (Well unless you have like 800+ more than someone maybe) cause you can just farm qpnts all day and have more than someone who is better than you but playing less, if you haven’t a guild going paids everyday and maybe you’re only going free (Sometimes harder to win than paids atm) you are not going to reach the qp ladder….as i said many many times before, the only real way to bring sense to any ranking system is putting something like gw1 gvg where you gain points only winning vs good teams (Same level or better than yours)….ganking low teams or losing doesn’t give you anything (Well if you lose vs a same level/worst team you lose points obviously)…this would be nice imo..sure a lot of early morning farmers would be really disappointed, but who cares..

Interpret Interrupt.3824:

the problem is that there are good high ranked players and grinded high rank players. tell me how you tell them a part.

Well when a r52 ranger in paids whispers you something like “You cheater, you are resetting your traits to remove all conditions (Wtf °_°)” while playing a shout cond removal bunker guardian…no need to check how he made his rank..

True story, happened last week sadly i could’t screen it cause i was a little busy at ct at that moment and forgot about it later…lots of lols on ts off course….

Logical Paradox.7946:

WAIT got it. You have to copy and paste the links directly to browser. Apparently the linking system is funny here.

New bugs everyday ._.

Wtf? o.O Forum fail compilation…pretty funny btw..

Eats popcorn…slowly..

I put direct link but it keeps saying bad link, on yours also….wtf is wrong with this forum?

Ossa.7482:

Anyone got a link to that ranger build Archaon mentioned?

This is the build for the treb user taken from guild’s forum, i usually go paids with another guild so i don’t have those rangers in team and i dunno if it’s up to date or something…just take a look

http://www.intothemists.com/calc/index.php?build=-FFkV-BF0FFz-v2ZEF-0;9k2D;2TT44;117A28A;4UNH4-Zk6jwmAjwmA2VK

Trap/Bunker rangers with dps pets (wtf), crazy bunker eles, not-as-crazy-as-bunker-but-still-over the top d/d dps eles and usual bs-caltrops thieves, shatter mezs, bunker guardians, cond necros, hb wars…..

Just don’t run an engi unless you want to make a macro grenade.net (I got you with my net and you’re kittened) burst, but since “i can play like a pro with just one button” macros are not allowed (Thank god) i don’t suggest you to do so

This is actual pvp in short.

we went free tourn for fun this morning (joined with 4 from our guild r40-45+) and we got one pug who disconnected/crashed after 40 secs…we met a premade guild team (Higher rank 16) and we won 500-60 playing 4vs5…. rank doesn’t mean skills (There are high ranked ppl who just camped hot join forever, and those are as bad as lower ranked players)…but for sure i’ll take a r40 over a r20 anyday…like everyone..