sorry to say that but going paids at r10- it’s like going to the slaughter, probably even at r20 (Sure maybe someone just want to farm last place chests, but i don’t even consider those losers, if you join something it’s for trying to win not to farm last prize)….you can learn more playing free…go free tpvp, and first of all learn how stuff works, it doesn’t matter if you’re a so called “pro” in pve…pvp it’s a totally different story, everyone can kill mobs…but in pvp you have to do many things and killing ppl (Already way more hard than ai mobs) it’s just one part of the work….in paids you’re just going to be anihilated before you even know what happened, i personally think new players have better to start with soft stuff first…
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Fine, then try this: http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/62545-fiery-dragon-sword-in-pvp/
Google is your friend.
Actually Fiery Dragon Sword hom pvp skin it’s not aviable…you can only get the pve skin but not the pvp one, dunno if bugged or intended.
So, for now, you can’t have it in pvp, you can get that skin in pve only. End of the story.
I play S/P-D balanced or D/D cond thief, bunker guard and roamer D/D ele…and personally i don’t fear a class in particular…i fear good players whatever they play…
A so called “up” ranger played by a r40+ it’s way more dangerous than an “op” mesmer played by a r20…classes don’t make so much difference, who is behind the keyboard does..
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And this is a problem why?
It is a problem because if you have at least one mesmer in every team, then mesmers will be more than 20% of players in top rankings for 5v5 capture-the-point setting which is severely OP, since every class should have representation between 10.5% to 14.5% (given that 12.5% = 1/8 is ideal balance point).
So whatever is causing teams to consider mesmer a-must-have-member needs to be nerfed to the ground so that noone considers mesmers (nor any other class) a must-have-member of top team.And if you cannot grasp this simple concept, you should not be participating in balance discussions.
Portal mesmers with time warp and bunker guardians are actually the only 2 must have in tpvp teams…and yes, you’re right…
it’s going to be fixed…noone should have F skills when downed (Everyone must have his 4 skills: Dmg, fast interrupt, long interrupt and normal heal…nothing more nothing less, just make all bars pretty much the same and drop crap like vengeance and stuff) not mentioning dead pets healing like kitten and crap like that, just wait and everything is gonna be ok.
So are they gunna remove rangers downed pet quickness trait too?
I don’t know what they’re going to do…all i’m saying is to make ALL downed bars equal and leave just some “traitable” things like 50% more dmg or 50% more life when downed that someone can take spending trait slots….but downed skills must be the same for everyone, maybe different animations with cool loking fancy glittering sparks or kitten…but with the same skill effect, dmg and healing for every class….
i just call this…balance..
Yah ur right, we should remove classes too and give every a “punch 1” “punch 2” “punch3” “punch 4” and a “punch 5” skill.
No…but downed state is just a fighting to survive and basically everyone must have pretty much the same skills…everyone already have different tough, hp pool, healing, power and so on…there will be a difference already with skills with same effect…or maybe you’re just a warrior who don’t want to lose his vengeance or an engi already exploiting elixir R? No reason to make such differences while downed…you have your own skills to fight and once you go down you already lost the fight and you’re just dead meat on the ground…and every dead meat on the ground should be as equal as possible..
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it’s going to be fixed…noone should have F skills when downed (Everyone must have his 4 skills: Dmg, fast interrupt, long interrupt and normal heal…nothing more nothing less, just make all bars pretty much the same and drop crap like vengeance and stuff) not mentioning dead pets healing like kitten and crap like that, just wait and everything is gonna be ok.
So are they gunna remove rangers downed pet quickness trait too?
I don’t know what they’re going to do…all i’m saying is to make ALL downed bars equal and leave just some “traitable” things like 50% more dmg or 50% more life when downed that someone can take spending trait slots….but downed skills must be the same for everyone, maybe different animations with cool loking fancy glittering sparks or kitten…but with the same skill effect, dmg and healing for every class….
i just call this…balance..
it’s going to be fixed…noone should have F skills when downed (Everyone must have his 4 skills: Dmg, fast interrupt, long interrupt and normal heal…nothing more nothing less, just make all bars pretty much the same and drop crap like vengeance and stuff) not mentioning dead pets healing like kitten and idiotic stuff like that, just wait and everything is gonna be ok.
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Thief spear 2 – Evade Evade Evade Evade Evade Evade Evade Evade Evade Evade Evade Evade Evade Evade Evade Evade Evade Evade.
as far i can see you know thieves really good….the evading “thing” it’s shadow assault…and it’s #5 (And this means 5 initiative cost)….at last try it by yourself once before posting, not just copy/paste things you don’t know….and it’s an high initiative low dmg skill, just don’t stay in front of him spamming attacks like an idiot (Shadow assault has a limited range) let him waste initiative and kill…done. Usually one or two aoes are enough to make 90% of thieves waste all ini spamming #5 instead of getting out of aoe
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go guardian and own ppl and mobs at a reasonably level in both spvp and pve after a short practice…go whatever you want for wvsw, it doesn’t require skills…just join the biggest zerg you can find around and let the mass do the job. Easy and effective.
The problem is, the thief is the only class you really don’t have to play intelligently right now and still have a good chance of winning.
always useful when direct insults wouldn’t be enough…so let’s tell us stupid thieves your rank and how you end up on this stetement, i assume you are at last a r50 top tpvp player to say thieves don’t need to play good to be good…am i wrong,? Because you know…actually bad thieves are the most easy stuff to faceroll…and playing guardian and ele also i have to say that it’s much more difficoult to stay alive and win with a thief without a ton of healing, protection and cond removal than ele or guardian for example….and if you spec on healing and def you can go cond dmg only…and pretty much every guardian, necro or whatever with 2 cond removal skills equipped can screw you anytime…just for you to know…
So let us know if you have some others pro tips to give us
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Well then I suppose time warp is safe because it has survived every other nerf bat epidemic that has hit mesmers.
Maybe or maybe not…just use it and if it’s ok it won’t be nerfed.
Do you not realize that mesmers just had another nerf to appease you kittens… Stop with it seriously just stop… No classs needs nerfed into the ground… Look what happened to engineers. And i love the idea behind the engineer class… And time warp is one of the FEW group utiilties that mesmers have…. You wanted shattered strength reduced you got it… You wanted a GCD on shatters you got that. Portal is limited now in the number of Uses and duration you got that too… NOW just stop… This has simply become a L2P issue and thats it! While we’re at it lets remove attunements on ele’s you can only choose one to attune to at the character creation and thats it! Necros deathshroud is a second life bar SOOOO game changing… un fair completely. Guardians should no longer be allowed to give themselves and their allies every buff in the whole game and the longbow range on the ranger is just TOO LONG…. Am I getting through here people? Do you not get the slippery slope that this will place the entire game on? All this calling for a nerf bat to come out is just kitten … Stop it… Learn how to play the game counter/dodge/cond removal… I bet most the whiners about mesmers are kitten glass cannons in which case you deserve to be burned down.
Problem is that, like thieves, anet doesn’t give a crap about forum whiners…look at backstab, everyone asking for nerf and they ruined my dazelock instead (And i know why…because dazelock was actually way more powerful than bs, and a good dazelock couldn’t be countered while bs is easily countered by almost anyone with just a little more brain than a rock)…they just point out issues and nerf them…they’re not following ppl complaints…if they nerf something it’s because it has to be toned down…nothing else. So chill the kitten down…if it’s ok it’s not going to be nerfed…if not it’s because it’s needed..
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I understand that being an elitè time warp needs to be more powerful than haste, frenzy whatever…but just make it 10 secs single target (Mesmer) without negative effects or 5 secs aoe with some negative effect on everyone who got it….10 secs aoe quickness without negative effects it’s…well…nonsense…even if it was on 5 mins cooldown it would be broken anyway..we all know 4 sec quickness skills are broken already…10 secs to everyone in aoe? Well…
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In GW1, many players will tell you that they used voice communication, but many others will tell you that it wasn’t a must in order to beat guild teams in Heroes Ascent for example..
Dunno who said that, but it’s completely bs…in HA any good team absolutely needs TS/Vent…no way you can do something decent without…oh yeah maybe you can play iway without voice com, but we’re talkin’ about good teams right? All you can beat without ts in HA are crappy teams with low ranked players, everyone else is going to kik your kitten to hell in 2 minutes..
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spvp and tpvp are way different…for both builds and roles ppl have to play, hot join most of the times is just a plain noobish zergfest on the other hand tpvp requires ts, coordination and skills….there’s the same difference between wvsw and spvp, in wvsw you just zerg around and ppl with no skills can do something just because someone is covering your back, or you just outnumber others…but when you have to count on your skills only…well….you know..
just keep improving yourself and build up nice teams, watch streamings and ask high ranked for tips…this is the only way..
Take a look how sexy Hall of Heros was
Hall of Heroes is lit by an unearthly glow at its center. In 851 AE, Lord Odran opened various portals into the Rift and to the Hall of Heroes and hid them in the most dangerous places, behind various traps and wards. However, with his death, the wards disappeared and soon the Hall of Heroes became a battle of honor among the living. There are only three portals that are known: in the Tomb of Drascir, Tomb of the Primeval Kings, and on the Battle Isles.
The Hall of Heroes acts as the fourth and final area of the Ruins of the Tomb of the Primeval Kings. It houses statues of the Gods of Tyria and is besieged by the three Darknesses. Upon killing all of three of the Darknesses, several Lost Souls will cheer the victory and fireworks will appear followed by a countdown timer, which sends players back to the Tomb of the Primeval Kings.
Good old times………miss HA so much
All day long I am constantly going up against full premade teams that are 3-6 times the level of my team.
How is this matching system even remotely fair?
Atm if you don’t want to get farmed over and over again go with a good premade or just don’t go at all….like i do with paids, i go paids only if i have a nice 5 ppl team if not i’m not going too feed qpnts farmers…they farm enough already…if they want to get points from me they must deserve it…and if they’re good they win vs my premade and it’s ok, gg for them
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Incidentally high-rated players will probably tell you that Thieves probably aren’t the pinnacle of OPness, unlike what the forums might suggest.
Pretty much everyone knows that guardian is the most op class hands down (I play both, but when i go bunker I feel like like god compared to my thief, and btw i don’t play zerky crap with it…with guardian you just…don’t care, you rush into groups making a mess not giving a kitten bout dmg taken or whatever, you can mitigate almost everything) and guardian is probably followed by mesmer…infact those are the only 2 classes always present in tpvp teams, you can swap others…but bunker guardians and portal mesmers are the must have, and it’s not so hard to understand why. period
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Night vision runes? Well now i want my star-wars laser gs for guardian and a tracked nuclear powered rail-gun as a pet for ranger..oh and long range radar on weapon sigil, so i can see every enemy on the mini map…with name, class, hp, cd’s and so on of course…
/sarcasm off
The only serious answer to night vision runes is….lol
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I BET YOU HAVE ALL THE POKEMON!
I lol’d…
This game should NOT be farm-based. If you want to farm just go wow, ppl (Expec those from old gw1) don’t want to farm in both pvp or pve, guild wars had an anti-farm policy, why the hell you have to farm honor and qpnts now? (there were stupid iwayers for sure farming honor…and everyone knows how much those ppl were worth) Actually those called “top teams” are just teams playing paids only all day (Or at last every single time there are other teams queuing up) Here you can’t be good (Well i know that more qp doesn’t mean more skills, but at the end of the day there’s a leaderboard based on those so..) without farming…mobs or pugs doesn’t really matter, it’s the same. We need a decent ladder like gw1 gvg’s one where your team gains points winning and LOSES points losing…this way you can play 10 tournaments a week but winning all those 10 would give you much more than, let’s say winning 20 times and losing 30…
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All thieves please reroll and then come back and say your damage is fine and dandy.
Go play Engie, then come back and tell us how wonderful it is that hitting a 2k crit is just right. Yep, go and try other classes then come back with your flawed logic and reasoning.
(By the by, thief is broken in part to the culling issue. But mainly from the stupid idea to not have CDs on moves. Go load up any other class and try to spam there powerful attacks. HMMMMMMMM, yeah, you can pop off about 10 heartseekers in the same time I can use 2 of most other classes most powerful attacks. But no, your right, its clearly all fine. Enjoy your dead game in 6 months)
Actually i also play ele and guardian in both spvp and tpvp (Not every team have a thief in tpvp expec paids)…and both are much more powerful, flexible and all around useful, guardian is also way more easy to play at good levels than a thief cause you have so much survivability you can actually make mistakes without being facerolled in less than 2 secs…you can pretty much laugh at any thief if you spec just a little on survivability and cond removal..
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I was S/D, they nerfed TS and C&D…thank you, now i can roll only full condition or condition/healing for tpvp….btw stupid hs spammers (I said stupid not op, actually you can laugh at them) continue to jump everykitteninwhere without knowing wtf are they doing..
Too bad that Teldo is actually and engi and a really good one, not a thief..and got pretty much oneshotted
And some times , he get gimps by a Thief
What then ? Nerf Backstab ? :PWell i think 90% of ppl on this forum already said that….. xD
Screw them :P
I kinda liking the idea of 2 sec TKK now
The christmas spirit got me :P
Hell yeah
this doesnt mean the ease of being able to land BS
Uhm…probably you lost the part where i’m saying that you HAVE TO land bs on back or sides to deal a good dmg….thief it’s the only class that needs target positioning before landing a skill, without stealth you can’t get on someone’s back…and if someone is just a little better than brain dead he must know that giving your back to a thief it’s like putting a big “KILL ME I’M NOOB” neon insigna on your head….btw bs can’t kill my roam thief and i simply laugh at them with guardian and ele…so no need “special defenses” at all..
Too bad that Teldo is actually and engi and a really good one, not a thief..and got pretty much oneshotted
And some times , he get gimps by a Thief
What then ? Nerf Backstab ? :P
Well i think 90% of ppl on this forum already said that….. xD
So i took this screenshot of the 100 Blades skill and i noticed the lack of this so called overpowered damage the Warrior does.
Notice how weak it is, why do people complain again?
I think Warrior should get buffed in regards to damage output. Rangers are absolutely destroying this class in terms of damage, with their overpowered quickness and the pet.
Oh well, yes probably there are many things to fix but i can say that i really like gw2 pvp…expec tpvp, got 2 char at 80 and after a month went pvp only and never came back…hate pve (Not just here, but also in gw1 and every other mmo i played) and if you don’t like mindless zergs (8vs8) you can’t play wvsw because it’s just an unskilled, crappy zergfest 24/7….actually i leave the mists only for going at bank and tp selling dyes….
PS. Put a bank access and tp into the mists
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Simple answer? Because hb wars can make points only in 8vs8’s zergs.
OMG rofl ….must give a +1 hands down
The problem is that you can’t go paids without a good premade, or at last imo….i don’t mind going in just farming a chest, if you go paids you want to win or at last get a good placement…and there are only a few guilds paid tpvp oriented…..if you haven’t a good team with you it’s like going in just to be stomped helping farming teams getting easy qpnts….and this shouldn’t happen. I personally go paid only if i have good team to play with, and this happens not really often…otherwise i’d rather go free without feeding qpnts farmers..
Here the problem is just the same you find in free tpvp….just split pugs and premades facing only the same team set up …. 5pm vs 5pm 4pm+1pug vs 4pm+1pug and so on….come on we send robots on mars, this can’t be so hard to implement…
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What does a Thief do to earn such high damage? Stealth? Lock a target in place?
Actually if you ever played a thief you should know that bs need positioning AND locking the target in place….you need to lock him and land bs on his back or sides, otherwise bs dmg is halved…you know right? Want to avoid bs? Blind fields, blocks or just staying with your back near a wall is more than enough..
Alright so he didn’t daze, he used distortion. And?
You don’t need a macro for that. He KNEW the thief was still somewhat close as the clones were still alive, the thief runs into the middle of 3 illusions AND the mesmer, meaning a 4mw without any prep necessary, plus blurred frenzy + flame sigil proc + all doez creetz = legitimate, especially with the thief having 14k hp.
Too bad that Teldo is actually and engi and a really good one, not a thief..and got pretty much oneshotted
They could just implement the cast bar like GW1 had.
yes please.
Thanks again for Archaon for linking those great clips ( the last one was a bit odd though… Training dummies won’t tell if the build is working or not )
You’re welcome mate…yep forget golems, i’m going to remove last clip.
I’m not really sure what you are trying to prove by showing other classes doing the same thing.
Just showing that pretty much every class can run a glass cannon spec with high dmg/burst, and almost every other class is also more viable while running full dmg builds, a bs thief can just down (Blowing all his stuff for the combo) one squishy or low hp target every 45 secs, and sometimes can’t even stomp it because he’s going to die if focused with downed skills (Wars dealing 1.5 2k dmg just throwing rocks…seriously? Not talkin’ about vengeance or necros dealing dmg while healing self, channeling on stealth targets)….so i can’t get the point about raging only on thief’s section… You hate glass cannons? Hate them all…but without high dmg specs bunkers would rule the world, well they already rule pvp…i mean they’ll rule even more…
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Watch this video, 100% to 0% hp in about 2-3 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RvLnC6nSR4That’s hardly a healthy Game Design. I cant say I am surprised anymore tho.
Spvp is not up to GW2 Pve standards, it needs a lot of work on balance, diversity of game modes not to mention the cosmetic gear progression that is grindy as hell.
A video from october? Just…lol
Anyway
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpE2k3ZN1vU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tpWwTeyTRA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_MmGVabQVw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kaYsIR0kYg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v-4Onu8w5Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXi2EBfdAAo
so…?
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Wow.
Just wow o_o’
as i said in another post…please anet, don’t fix hs…i want my free points for facerolling hs spammers 10 times a match….without hb or hs spammers and so on it would be harder to get so much honor…..need 45k/rank, can’t lose them…. u.u
How does a D/D-Ele come even close in DPS to a Thief?
Ever met a D/D glass cannon ele? Pretty much same dps but aoe, still having much more survivability that thief…or you’re trying to say that a thief is harder to beat than an ele? Are you trying to say that? Are you sure?
Actually i have to say that top teams MUST have at last one GUARDIAN and one MESMER…but there are many with no thieves….strange uh? Not really…
And just for you to know i actually play D/D full condition, P/P condition, S/P Balanced Roamer, D/D Healing/Cond Roamer….and, brace yourself, i don’t play any glass cannon spec….OMG can you believe that???
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Why always thief? Why noone complains about the warrior’s 100b or mesmer’s illusions?
People need to stop with this nerfing suggestions for thieves, stealth is basically the tank for this class, without these skills thief would die in seconds in any combat.
You already die in seconds if specced glass cannon, stealth or not…that’s why gc thieves are pretty much useless in good teams, everyone can kill you and you can’t kill a kitten because good players are going to counter all your bursts (Talkin bout tpvp off course) Not even considering hot join, because it’s already a mindless 8vs8 (btw 5vs5 hot join it’s better) zergfest…and doesn’t require so much skills…
If thieves didn’t have heartseeker to kill fast, or stealth to survive, what would they do? No one would ever play them as they’d be useless.
well…actually heartseeker is plain crap, only (sometimes) good to finish ppl with very low health, nothing more…
You do realize by the time you cycle through that entire rotation, your hide in shadows and blinding powder are back up again?
You know that noone in s-tpvp (Dunno wvsw and i don’t care, because this is spvp forum and we give a fk bout wvsw crap) set up utilities just for stealth right? Have you ever played a thief? Wtf does it mean “cycle through that entire rotation”? For example the only stealth skill i have with my S/D-P build it’s shadow refuge…usually D/D have 2 stealth skills on the bar (Considering C&D)…..others have one, and if you read hide in shadows carefully you’ll notice it’s probably the worse healing skill you can use, 30 secs cd for a bad healing and a couple of seconds stealth? No thanks…and please, stop those wvsw-copy paste skills from wiki bs trolling discussions…seriously.
And again WvsW IS NOT spvp…WvsW uses pve skills and gears, so go whine on wvsw forum and leave us alone….we don’t know about thief’s problems in wvsw and WE DON’T CARE at all….here ppl are not meant to simply zerg around ganking low level stuff 30vs10 without brains with uber power pve gear, maybe also considering themselves pro….
WvWvW actually does have a lot of PvP in it besides zergs. Do we play the same game? You must be having WoW flashbacks or something. Stop trying to justify thieves more nerfs are coming in a few weeks so be prepared to return to your 1600 wow arena team.
Omg another one….i really don’t know how ppl can’t get it..
WvsW = PvE Skills – PvE Gears – PvE Levels – PvE Gold – PvE Reward Items
SPvP = PvP Skills – PvP Gears – All same level – Glory – PvP Chests – Ranks
Anet itself divides GW2 into sPvP AND WvsW/PvE
…so….please…you hate thieves in wvsw? Fine…go whine in wvsw’s forums…
btw i never played wow, but you can take a look into my gw1’s guilds…
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Oh look, this thread again.
You are #23894740956230456034756 post this week about Thief and its OP stealth.
And what does this tell us?
that are a lot of players who doesn’t like to l2p.
if you force a thief to go away = you won the fight
if you force a thief to go in a long stalth = you cap the pointthere are a lot of thieves who write some thread about countering the profession.
still better whine on forum about thief op. right?
i was going to post the same answer…it tells me that so many ppl are wasting so much time whining on forums instead of l2p properly…
Annd why exactly do you think you know the game and all the different MU’S and various situations inn which the Thief is very clearly OP, better than all the ppl disagreeing with your clearly biased opinion?
Just ask any decent player around, you know…those ppl doing tons of tpvp, paids, high ranked, playing more than one class at a good level, QPnts…stuff like that….you’ll get your answer…
Well HS spam it’s simply stupid and unuseful vs 95% of ppl (It really takes no effort to evade it, less that HB…nough said..)…please don’t nerf it more, HS spammers are free points, don’t want to lose them……..
Oh look, this thread again.
You are #23894740956230456034756 post this week about Thief and its OP stealth.
And what does this tell us?
that are a lot of players who doesn’t like to l2p.
if you force a thief to go away = you won the fight
if you force a thief to go in a long stalth = you cap the pointthere are a lot of thieves who write some thread about countering the profession.
still better whine on forum about thief op. right?
i was going to post the same answer…it tells me that so many ppl are wasting so much time whining on forums instead of l2p properly…
i came here to lelz, funny vid, guardian was just standing, that was pro move. gg
i dont know why i bother feeding the trolls but… it was “staged” as i said 3x+
AND
semi bunker is as it says. dont ask stupid questions. “whats glass cannon guys!?”
so actually a semi-buker guardian means a crappy guardian able to do pretty much nothing…..well…ok…now i understand why I sometimes meet guardians with no dmg and going down like stones into a lake, they’re semi-bunkers…cool..you learn something new everyday..
btw start banning macros and everything would be fine….for eles, mesmers and thieves QQ topics…just ban everyone macroing for botting, i fully agree with that.
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You do realize by the time you cycle through that entire rotation, your hide in shadows and blinding powder are back up again?
You know that noone in s-tpvp (Dunno wvsw and i don’t care, because this is spvp forum and we give a fk bout wvsw crap) set up utilities just for stealth right? Have you ever played a thief? Wtf does it mean “cycle through that entire rotation”? For example the only stealth skill i have with my S/D-P build it’s shadow refuge…usually D/D have 2 stealth skills on the bar (Considering C&D)…..others have one, and if you read hide in shadows carefully you’ll notice it’s probably the worse healing skill you can use, 30 secs cd for a bad healing and a couple of seconds stealth? No thanks…and please, stop those wvsw-copy paste skills from wiki bs trolling discussions…seriously.
And again WvsW IS NOT spvp…WvsW uses pve skills and gears, so go whine on wvsw forum and leave us alone….we don’t know about thief’s problems in wvsw and WE DON’T CARE at all….here ppl are not meant to simply zerg around ganking low level stuff 30vs10 without brains with uber power pve gear, maybe also considering themselves pro….
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