All classes can be the best for you…if you enjoy playing it learning to play better and better…there are not best classes here, there are different game styles…you can rule with pretty much everything if you play good…
Here your skillbar is bounded to weapons…in gw1 weapon swap is used just to get some different boons from them that’s why you have different slots (You are not going to change your build swapping them)..weapon swapping in gw1 doesn’t affect your skills or major stats…to do the same here they had to lock your current sets, traits and utilities…giving the option of swapping everything during a match only leads to midless going in tpvp because you can swap if needed…now you have to plan things before entering, and balancing around pretty much everything you can face inside…and at the same time this will bring crazy unbalanced teams out because in 3 fights you’re going to find someone who can raceroll you if you’re bounded to a 1 way team build…
didn’t read the patch so seemed strange this morning to see 3 eles in a row with those boons up all time, now i understand….they took advantage of this pretty fast, at last 3 on 5 eles i met were already doing this..
Pwn an all-thief team in tpvp with only 4 guys. Not sure why you whine too much about thief being OP. Study their class and learn to counter.
If rank numbers are any indication of skill, your team of 4 far outclassed those thieves. Furthermore, you’re on a bunker build. My bunker engi can easily handle two thieves while tanking, healing the team and clearing conditions. Would your team have done so well if you were non-bunker spec? Maybe, maybe not.
Not for sure…5 thieves team is going to implode in tpvp vs almost everyone r20+ who knows just a bit about how thieves work….a bunker engi doesn’t matter at all…as i said before thief is a support class, and with 5 of them you’re going nowhere…
Pwn an all-thief team in tpvp with only 4 guys. Not sure why you whine too much about thief being OP. Study their class and learn to counter.
LOL those ppl really went to suicide….well probably being very low ranked they actually thought that thief = win ….and they probably got this idea on forum xD Bad news for them…sometimes hurts knowing that it’s not your opponent who’s op…that’s you that suck….everyone at one point comes into this realization in every game… well not ever, someone just goes on forums and cry Running on ppl with full health and faceroll them? Yeah in hot join maybe…a thief in tpvp is just a support, both for cond dmg and for take down 50% health targets…if someone here thinks that you can kill everything with a glass cannon thief (And i don’t suggest to run glass expec in tpvp) simply never played one…even with a balanced one like mine you have always to be aware of many things…much more than, let’s say a necro or a guardian….all you can do if things are getting bad it’s go stealth and get away…but good players rarely let you do that easily…
So in short, I USED THEM, remove these builds, I don;t care, even if I use them, i;ll make another build, just get NEW PLAYERS and CASUAL players back into PvP!!
1 – Seems you never met a decent player, because those “OP” builds are counterable if you know how they work…have you ever played tpvp or just whining for hot join?
2 – If someone quits pvp instead of l2p it’s not a game problem, ppl with a brain usually try to get better and win…not just cry and ragequit…
3 – PvE is a really massive world, if you are not able to play spvp go PvE/WvsW and get easy candies…
Casual will ever be facerolled by hardcores…it’s not a matter of builds…it’s just skills, and i’m really sorry for you and for others raging bout this…but you can’t nerf experience and skills…find a serious tpvp guild and start getting better instead whining…
Everyone facerolling you now, spamming wolves and tigers into your face time ago was probably a noob too….but they didn’t quit, and now you can see the difference..
I recently picked GW2 back up again and i want to get into the pvp because i like the challenge, but i dont know where to go look up builds and what classes are good/bad/decent/situational/ect. Can anyone point me to a site, or sum up pvp currently?
Find a pvp oriented guild or at last a stable group to go tpvp (So you can test a role and improve it, imo it’s better to spec on one class and being good with that than play three without knowing what to do, find a stable place in teams and l2p better and better)…you can also go hotjoin while waiting but it’s all bout zerg there…
Seriously, the rank 40+ “tiger” as i said sometime before looks more like an underfed cat crying, actually the wolf emote is way better, or even the dolyak one….we need steroids for our cats…
Remember the r9 gw1 emote? Ok…that was cool, this is not….
@Jonhatan Sharp
•Balance. Really, balance is pretty good. We’re very observant of the meta, we read the forums, and we’re playing the game with you. We don’t want to make knee-jerk balance decisions. And if did whatever the community wanted, what would happen to balance? How many threads are basically: “NERF X OMG!!” “Learn to play , X is fine” “Omg no, we can’t beat X at all!” “Just saying, none of the people I know even run X anymore” “Hey you guys forget X, let’s buff Y!”….then this just repeats over and over. We can’t just do exactly what players ask for in relation to balance, because different players at various skill levels view balance differently. So what we do is balance community feedback with gameplay results. We don’t want to play whack-a-mole with balance, so we don’t just nerf/buff everything as soon as someone posts about it. It would ruin the game if we did. We try to be patient, see if the meta fixes itself (because a lot of times, once you learn how to deal with something, you realize it may not be as imba as you first thought), and then make long-lasting balance changes. We don’t want to nerf X, then realize no one uses it, and buff it again, then have to nerf it again, etc. etc.
Basically is pointless to cry for nerfs on the forum everytime, it’s much better to get out there and practice because…you can’t nerf good players , doesn’t matter what your whining may bring you, developers nerf something and buff something else, good players are those who adapt quickly, so no amount of nerfs will allow a baddie to beat an experienced player.
Finally someone with a brain…whining for nerf is far more easy than learning how to counter someone, and people usually choose the easy way…or at last…kids do, PEGI 18+ would be really appreciated…this would cut a rough 90% whiners imo..
No way this can survive vs 3….vs 4 even in hotjoin you’re going to die, because dealing low to no dmg leads to a long fight that vs 4 = death. No bunkers can stand up vs more than 2 ppl knowing what they’re doing for a long time without backup, even if kitten 4 ppl will simply crush you in the long run due to the continuous dmg and rupts and conditions and everything (Maybe they don’t know how to use skills, but spamming them 4vs1 is more than enough) if you can’t kill them no matter if they’re good or not they will slowly “erode” your hp to death..
tl;dr You can’t kill with this…and no, you can’t stand vs 4 ppl either. It’s just another no dmg bunker build.
fact is: you can be caugh by 100b once, twice…20times…there will be a day you will avoid every 100b every warrior will try to use against you.
ofc i am talking about tournaments, and it is called “learn to play issue”. if you , like everyone these days, are whining about being killed by 100b in spvp, well. there is no need to post in forum really.
But this is pretty much the perfect example of a broken mechanic.
For whatever reason, if you get hit by 100B, you get brutalized. Is it dodgeable? Yes. Is it stoppable? Yes. Does it crush you if you get hit by it? Yes. Sometimes you’ll get hit by it and the fault is entirely yours. Sometimes it isn’t (like when you just fairly used up your last dodge). This is unfun for the person on the receiving end. Hell, it isn’t even that fun for the receiver when you perfectly counter it and crush the Warrior.
On the flip side, the Warrior is in no better position. While it is no doubt fun crushing someone with a perfectly planned 100B, it is also equally as frustrating when you get destroyed because of a lucky dodge, etc. It is, in my cases, an all-in type of spell and I think the game is worse off for it.
Take a similar spell, let a necro have a spell that instantly kills his target but it brings him down to 1hp. Is there counter-play? Sure.. You can always l2Dodge. Maybe apply a bleed so he dies before it kills you. But is it fun? Does it provide meaningful play to the game? No. Not really at all.
You’re talkin like 100b is the only choice for wars…you know that if you play hb you are playing a crap build and you’re going to be facerolled by anyone with a proper working brain…you can troll them in so many ways, from dodge to blind, to daze, to snares or blocks…just pretty much every cc works on a crap hb…
if you have 6k hp and you’re not a bunker class, if you have healing/defensive skills on cd you’ll die anyway vs almost anyone with all skills up…if you have def skills up you can evade bursts….a stunbreak on 6k hp vs any dmg oriented class won’t save you if you’re facing someone with a brain…so where’s the problem? Doesn’t look strange to me…and btw glass cannon thieves and warriors are nice free kills if you want some points in hot join because you are not going to get all those candies in tpvp…in serious tournaments you usually have to work hard on every kill…
Nerf thieves – 10k to 14k damage with one move from inviso with no counter. Until that happens, no other classes attacks should be touched.
10 to 14k…..show me a spvp screen with that BS damage during a match (Not on golems or kitten please) and maybe with your armor on (Already saw ppl screening dmg and then put on armor again), or you’re talkin bout wvsw? because, you know…we don’t give a kitten bout wvsw here…
Hilarious.
here’s your 10-14k BS damage from thieves and yes I have armor on.
can’t still see a 14k….and are we sure this is after sin sig nerf?
Nerf thieves – 10k to 14k damage with one move from inviso with no counter. Until that happens, no other classes attacks should be touched.
10 to 14k…..show me a spvp screen with that BS damage during a match (Not on golems or kitten please) and maybe with your armor on (Already saw ppl screening dmg and then put on armor again), or you’re talkin bout wvsw? because, you know…we don’t give a kitten bout wvsw here…
It’s easy to evade, but if you want to fix something just make it like hb or pw…you stay in one place but you can take damage…probably we will see less mesmers spamming it all day…i met one last night, he was like…stealth…bf…evade evade…mass invisibility…bf….using it every single time his hp were going down…
Well obviously at the third time i saw him doing it i just landed a tactical strike on his back before bf…and he got imploded by my mates….he also raged a bit bout thieves and stuff, very smart one…always fun seeing mesmers or guardians rage bout thieves xD
This is like hs…using it sometimes it’s ok…. just spamming it counting just on that skill it’s crap…
replace it with a 2second poison, and it’ll be pretty balanced.
so the necro you’re facing, yes because if you stole fear you’re fighting a necro, can remove or give it back to you? Really useful… 2 sec poison rofl
as a S/D thief it’s already hard to beat a good necro 1vs1 even with aoe fear from steal…sometimes it’s useful to land one more tactical strike while he’s running away from you, but it’s not a win skill, people can deal with it and it does not make all that difference…best use for it it’s to push people out of points, but thieves are not bunkers, so you’re not gonna hold it alone anyway…expec vs a necro..
Talkin’ about S/D and don’t even consider BS HS or glass crap like that because during the stolen fear cast time you’ll be already dead vs any decent necro with a glass cannon..
Simply because 1vs1 means nothing in a cooperative game, one can just run a bunker guardian and win versus almost everyone and use a cond necro to win vs bunker guardians…not much skills needed.
You should be ashamed of posting that screenshot… first, you were stomped in hot join, second, u got 175 points in a glass cannon build and only 5 kills, in hot join (what a miserable performance, 5 kills, really?), no wonder you team got stomped, the guardian got almost as many points as you, and finally, and this is what is really sad, because it shows how childish and imature you are, in the chat log, your toon, syft shadowstalker, is talking to a guardian on the other team, and referring to his mother… really? mom talks?? how old are you? grow up, dude, dont show screnshots of you talking trash with the “mom is under my desk” thing…
Usually i can faceroll hs spammers with pretty much no effort with S\D thief, they’re squishy as hell and totally predictable… You must try hard to get killed by an Hs spamer if you’re not at 30% hp with everything on cd… One, just one sbow #3 and they’re crippled, you’re out of range laughing at them jumping here and there, when you get bored of evading those unuseful hss you switch to S\D and faceroll them to hell…free honor for you
downed mechanic also prevents people to go full glass cannons…lots of gc out there can’t stomp someone because they’re probably going to be downed before stomping, this applies to thieves also due to the fact that downed skills actually continue chanelling on stealthed targets… At the same time downed make ppl to care much about team mates because rally a mate would give you advantages..imo
Balancing 1vs1 is useless in a cooperative game, we already have people whining “Oh youuuu killed me 2 vs 1 now let’s go duellllll…1 vs 1 i’ll crush youuuu!!” And bs like that…please…no…this is not a 1vs1 game, maybe you can go 1vs1 sometimes but usually at that point one is already calling for backup, in tpvp intentionally going 1vs1 most of the times is just for wasting someone’s time or to keep someone in one place…but for sure noone is actually going to “duel” in tourneys…and i say it as a S/D thief and actually my job is to backup teamates in that situations by bringing down their target and move on….1vs1 at mine? Call me, i go in while they’re fighting…down him and go to the next problem while my mate is stomping him, someone maybe is calling this unfair…but i call this “teamwork”.
and btw…if they didn’t nerf bs maybe it’s because it’s not so op as people think, dazelock was op, hardly counterable even for high rank players and they nerfed it…same for DD dmg (50% maybe was too much but i don’t care, used it for crippling so dmg nerf is not a big issue) ..they decreased bs combo dmg nerfing c&d and you can say what you want but this combo only brings down people from full hp (with no cd) if they are full glass cannons AND they don’t know how to counter a thief…if both conditions are present yes, a bs thief is probably going to kill you…like pretty much everyone else around, thief or not, thief is only going to be faster..
If you run with zerk amulet and dmg runes you have to expect that. End of the story.
You can run with any amulet or runes and still end up with the same result.
LOL…one question..
Have you EVER played the game? If you get facerolled by bs thieves with every gear well…seriously…go play metin2 or wow…
Actually there are ways to not being killed also in full scholar zerk gear…strange uh?
I don’t think I would be commenting on here if I didn’t play the game right? plus I play a thief as well and I know what I’m talking about so I don’t what you’re justifying.
Oh…so you play a thief and you faceroll everyone with bs? Tomorrow i’ll add you and join with you in spvp, let’s see if you can faceroll me…I’ll drop soldier’s amulet going with zerker (So i’m already doomed if you’re right) and S\D…deal?
We’re going to get nerf Archaon no matter what point you’re trying to prove. It’s going to happen and we know the reason so quit being silly.
They already nerfed S\D dazelock and i’m not worried about other nerf, as i managed to modify my build affter tactical strike and mes runes not working anymore, i would do it again.. I’m just saying that it’s a bit childish to ask for nerf on something that is totally counterable for every class with just a little brain..
If you run with zerk amulet and dmg runes you have to expect that. End of the story.
You can run with any amulet or runes and still end up with the same result.
LOL…one question..
Have you EVER played the game? If you get facerolled by bs thieves with every gear well…seriously…go play metin2 or wow…
Actually there are ways to not being killed also in full scholar zerk gear…strange uh?
I don’t think I would be commenting on here if I didn’t play the game right? plus I play a thief as well and I know what I’m talking about so I don’t what you’re justifying.
Oh…so you play a thief and you faceroll everyone with bs? Tomorrow i’ll add you and join with you in spvp, let’s see if you can faceroll me…I’ll drop soldier’s amulet going with zerker (So i’m already doomed if you’re right) and S\D…deal?
But the thief does NOT need to l2p, except against the really, really good players.
Hope you’re talking about bs, pw and hs thieves (Aswell as HB wars, mind wrack mes and so on) because you actually need to l2p if you run a P\D or a S\D thief…and if you know how to use it you’re FAR more deadly than those bs, pw and hs spam crap…and yes i agree, bs hs and pw are usually played by noobs to faceroll other noobs…nothing new on this point.
sigh thieves are the easiest class to kill…pop a block or a stun break….hell if you dodge while he steals you dodge the ENTIRE combo. You need only stun or chain them once and you got em.
and for the stealth whiners just HIT THE AIR its not like he teleported hes still there, ESPECIALLY when they shadow refuge just spam that little circle and it will die.
stop complaining and play the game
Too hard…whining on forums is far more easy than l2p
I’m not considering mind wrack mesmers, hb wars, bs hs thieves and so on…because i’m talkin’ about the hardest class to play GOOD. And those burst builds are totally uneffective vs 90% high rank players expec in tPvP so i’m not putting them into the equation.
PvP is not = Killing other people. Really man, killing something, expec in tPvP is just one part of the work, and not even the most important… Playing good doesn’t mean that you kill more, it means that you can understand the game, knowing where your mates and other team members are, where to go at the right time and where not…when use treb or when it’s better to leave it and directly support your party and so on. And being able to do things like these on your own before someone calls for you it’s a much bigger difference from bad and good pvp players, much bigger than killing more things around…. Soloing points 1vs1 doesn’t mean you are good, if both attacker and defender are high ranks it usually means that you have a better build…or not.
Btw this is my opinion, feel free to say i’m wrong
Everyone can counter this, like everyone can counter HB or BS…so no need for nerfs, nerfing things it’s only annoying cause everytime ppl have to adjust builds to manage nerfs…please stop QQ bout everything that kills you, said that bout BS time ago and i’m saying the same for ele now… Great damage? Yes. Broken or OP? Not…to do that you have to scarifice hp, tough, healing and stuff…so you’ll be weak on other points. If ppl can’t use your weak points against you it’s their fault…not a skill\traits problem..
Usually it’s always a good think to set autoattack off, expec for a stealth class…this also gives you more control over your skills, landing one only when you need to, in a close fight autoattack can totally ruin your stealth forcing you into an unwanted 3 secs revealed debuff…with maybe everything on cd..or just to give another example Shortbow autoattacking targets behind walls or that already got away revealing your position… Always hated auto-things…hand made stuff is always better imo.
I realize I am re-hashing a long since beaten horse, but nothing is being done and I can’t wrap my head around why anyone at ANet thinks this is fair.
My stats for this particular tourney attached. Warrior mace/shield + gs spec, 30/10/0/30/0, not glass cannon but not a ‘tank’ either. Earth runes for protection, accuracy/blood sigils. Pretty ‘tanky’ spec overall.
Top Chat Log: 96% of my health was obliterated in the span of 2 seconds in four abilities.
Bot Chat Log: The thiekittenAUTO ATTACK*** lotus and wild strikes hit for 3k each? Additionally, my stun break was on CD so every one of those hits landed in a single basilisk venom.
I don’t have the ss of taking a backstab for 13k unfortunately… So here are my questions
1) ANet, why is this happening? I mean…I don’t think it takes months of QA or a rocket scientist to see how outrageously overpowered that damage is.
2) What’s the point in adding any kind of toughness whatsoever if it doesn’t seem to have an effect on damage mitigation worth a kitten I purposefully focused on raising toughness from the 966 default to the midway point to 2k solely to mitigate these types of ambushes…so what I took away from that is if I didnt have the toughness I had…I’d have been hit…harder?! You’ve got to be kidding me.
So really you’re telling us, the player, that there are 2 classes to play in competitive pvp…glass cannon thief and your-favorite-bunker-here. After all, the only game mode is conquest…and what’s better for taking and holding a node than a bunker. For a game that touts its flexibility you sure have pigeon holed us pretty well.
Im sorry to drag this topic up yet again but this has got to stop, plain and simple.
Oh and the kicker? Here’s the best part. Mid-way through the round that player switched from Engineer to Thief….I won’t even start as to who thought that mid-round class swaps during a tourney was a good idea….
Btw..if he is who i think, consider yourself lucky you had been able to understand what happened when you died…because that name and Gank guild, in gw1 HA, usually meant you were 99% doomed no matter what
Running on ppl with full health and faceroll them? Yeah in hot join maybe…a thief in tpvp is just a support, both for cond dmg and for take down 50% health targets…if someone here thinks that you can kill everything with a glass cannon thief (And i don’t suggest to run glass expec in tpvp) simply never played one…even with a balanced one like mine you have always to be aware of many things…much more than, let’s say a necro or a guardian….all you can do if things are getting bad it’s go stealth and get away…but good players rarely let you do that easily…