Guild Wars 2

hharry.1967:

Lets see, an ele dagger 5 healing heals for about 2-2.5k if traited/specced into healing power, under a 40s cooldown.
An engineer can drop 5 healing bags which heals for the same ammount each of them.
A banner warrior can heal 4-5k with banner skill number 2 if specced into healing with only a 10 seconds cd, without counting regen.

Now you might be wondering, ya eles give a healing aura, plus another 2-2.5k heal on water attunement switch, guess what a warrior shout can also heal for that much.

Not to mention warriors and engineers have way more armor, and hp. You still think eles healing is op? It just looks op because a healing specced ele has NO HEALTH, thus the smallest healing looks op cause they refill most of their almost nothing hp.

So a warrior can be a way better “healer” than an ele, where eles are equally if not worse than engineers.

The only difference is that warriors all go to kitten 100blades spec or other viable specs they do have, while eles do only have one viable spec.

Ele trying to prove the already incoming nerfs are wrong comparing himself with engis and wars ….now i saw everything…..

Just…lol…..seriously, hope you’re just trolling..

Btw why in hell devs post on reddit instead of official forum? I mean…we have a forum, you invite your community to use it and you don’t?

Seriously?

(I know this post is going to be deleted soon)

NordicNinja.5476:

Archaon.6245:

Jax.5261:

Archaon.6245:

Energy+Hydromancy on bunker guardian’s weapons <3 Now i dodge and you won’t get me

Pwned

Yay for not understanding sigil mechanics!

So explain me those obscure mechanics you know…it would be really appreciated, because you know hydromancy works great in paids even vs 3 expec thieves, wars and dps eles

2 sigils of the same “type” cannot proc at the same time. Both of the sigils you listed are of the “Weapon Swap” type, and therefore only one will proc and they share the same cooldown.

Dunno…but shield with hydromancy and hammer/staff (If foefire) with energy seem to work fine…btw i didn’t look for cd but they both work (trigger) as intended on each swap

Jax.5261:

Archaon.6245:

Energy+Hydromancy on bunker guardian’s weapons <3 Now i dodge and you won’t get me

Pwned

Yay for not understanding sigil mechanics!

So explain me those obscure mechanics you know…it would be really appreciated, because you know hydromancy works great in paids even vs 3 expec thieves, wars and dps eles

Energy+Hydromancy on bunker guardian’s weapons <3 Now i dodge and you won’t get me

Pwned

Bunker rangers tanking more dmg when downed underwater than while they’re up…2 dps can’t kill a drowning ranger due to the massive pet regen (Also with dead pet lol)…he just get up fighting, then going down again and so on…

Already downed eles going mist form and escaping into water (Or am I supposed to follow a “downed” ele underwater for the whole kittening map to kill him if i down him near water?)

Wars always going vengeance 1vs1…i mean…every single time…

Yeah sure this is ok….come on…

Just put a dam underwater stomp already…is this so hard to see?

Harrywinky.8632:

just put real rank emotes like gw1 not the actual bs we have

This.

Wtf golem op? u.u

Btw it’s an elitè skill for sure is stronger than normal skills…..

Braxxus.2904:

Archaon.6245:

stuff

You’re a thief.
You’re a mesmer.
You’re a guard.

….

And yet you talk about CHEESE?
You’re like a friggin’ talking log of chedder dude.

You’re also kitten that eles found a spec which allowed them to survive being constantly 1-shot by your theif and your mesmer, which made your ezmode guard feel not as special as before.

And i guess you’re coming to whine in spvp forum from wvsw…nough said..btw i already answered your “Just surviving oneshot” thing here https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/What-about-the-ele-nerf/page/4#post1445270 so please stop spamming this bs all over the forum..and just for you to know after dazelock nerf i don’t play thief anymore cause mesmer brings much more support to my team than a thief…i know i know…wvsw is all bout “Yeah i killed you!!! Yeahhh i’m uber pro cuz i can oneshot nabs” Some fresh news..in tpvp noone cares if you can sometimes oneshot someone but you can’t do kitten cause you have to hide all game cause the first aoe is going to melt you in 2 secs flat…and btw, you know wvsw has different skills, gears and levels right? and nerfs would probably interest pvp skills only? So what the hell are you doing here? Stonemist is almost done…go back to your zerg, free laurels for you!

Braxxus.2904:

Archaon.6245:

Haters? So you consider anet devs haters? Because, you know…they already said ele is going to be nerfed, as i said ppl are only making supposition on what is going to be nerfed, anet himself already said ele is broken atm and needs to be balanced…lol…haters…you really should tone your “rambo cheese cutter wannabe pro attitude” down guys…srsly, tired of those “My spec is not op, it feels op just because i’m so pro…and bs like that…” if you are really pro you won’t be affected by nerfs, you’ll play good also with a more balanced spec, so why are you so scared? Can’t you really play anything else? Wonder why…

Amazing how in your entire rant here you didn’t read what you quoted because I’d really like for you to come out and say that you believe the OP spec is 0/20/15/15/20. That’s clearly what I said I was running, and what I’m looking at being gutted in everyone’s suggestions on how they would like to see the meta spec 10/30/30 nerfed. Ironically all that everyone’s suggestions would do is force the eles playing different specs to be more inclined to go with the 103030 spec since the already sub-optimal specs would just be thrown to the ground and kicked in the gut by everyone’s suggested nerfs.

But please, continue to ele rage without paying attention. And yes, given many of ANets actions, patches and decisions I do believe that a vast majority of them are haters towards much of the playerbase and any class that isn’t lolburst1-shot designed. Eles found a spec that allows them to survive all the 1-shots happening to them and everyone became kitten. Because, you know, eles are only supposed to exist to get blown up in half a second.

Survive oneshots is a thing, bunkering like a bunker guardian while having one of the highest mobility in the game and one of the best team support….well it’s a bit more than just “Now we can survive oneshots”

Pretty much everyone with full hp, even running full glass, can survive oneshots if he’s not totally brain dead…you don’t need tons of healing, cond removal, regen, vigor…and…mobility to survive let’s a say a backstab. If you need all this stuff just to counter a backstab thief…well, time to change game..other classes can negate a backstab combo with just one skill(You know..aegis, distorsion, deathshroud, endure pain and so on..)…do you need a complete op bunker spec to counter a burst? Srsly? Is not mist form enough to do so? And eles still claim to be so pro because they play it..

kostbabis.8791:

ok focus on me for a second…why should we rip eles from teh fun instead of giving it to other classes.If you have to run ele forthe rtl why should we take the rtl from the ele. INSTEAD they could enhance the mobility of an other class.Engie for example could have their rifle 5 range increase,trasnsition time lowered and damage cutten to half and been give to the other abilities..
I mean seriously why take out the role of a great far point assaulter from 1 class and not just give it to more..My point is that if your problem is eles mobility and not eles survivability i think you should reconsider it.

Just because if anet tones up all classes to match them with eles (Except guardians and mesmers maybe) atm all those nomore cheese eles are going to whine on forums even more…i still read posts for ppl keep saying ele it’s ok and its power it’s just a matter of skill…well i know engies 3 times more skilled than those “pro players” that can do nothing compared with them…once upon a time ppl said thief was so dam op..but i saw noone running with more than 1 thief, now 2 eles is normal and you sometimes get even 3….and do you think there’s nothing broken here? Come on guys…i know that learning to play something else instead of your cheese cutter takes effort…but don’t try to bring bs excuses to save it

Sure if you are a bunker you’ll probably feel that necros are op, that’s because necro is an anti-bunker class. From an external look btw necros are fine imo…they put high cond pressure and it’s how they’re supposed to work…nothing strange bout this.

plasmacutter.2709:

Blakey.5670:

The thiefs and mesmers is what im worried about, you just dont get a fair fight with them. They’re just easy cheesy.
Bunker eles might be hard to bring down, but their damage isn’t that great.

QFT.

if you are calling it “overpowered” for something which reaches only 17k hp in FULL TANK GEAR to tickle you for less than a single stack of bleed, you are part of “the skillless many” and deserve your rightful death against a build whose only “bursts” are 4k minus, on 45 second plus cool downs, and must be “set up”.

Strange…actually bunker guardians can have less than 17k hp and outlive every single 24k+ hp war anyday, hp pool means pretty much nothing into a bunker spec, all you need is healing, boon stacking and cond removal…and bunker eles have tons of all of those + high mobility + more dmg than a bunker guardian…yes they’re clearly ok..

Braxxus.2904:

Archaon.6245:

Funny how someone keeps trying to defend eles just because he can’t probably play anything else except his cheesy bunker/roamer ele, as others said before we all know nerf are coming already no matter what, we just want to know when…just for you to know we’re not actually suggesting anet to nerf eles (They are already going to do so, no reason to ask for it) we’re just trying to figure out what are they going to balance while doing that..so maybe an answer from our beloved JS would be really appreciated..

What I would like to know is exactly what the haters propose with their need to nerf eles, playing the standard bunker spec, without totally prison kittening say my 0/20/15/15/20 spec (S/D and D/D depending on mood)? Seems like everything people are throwing around just butt kittens eles as a whole without taking into consideration that the ONLY thing they are hating on is that cookie cutter 10-30-30 spec.

Haters? So you consider anet devs haters? Because, you know…they already said ele is going to be nerfed, as i said ppl are only making supposition on what is going to be nerfed, anet himself already said ele is broken atm and needs to be balanced…lol…haters…you really should tone your “rambo cheese cutter wannabe pro attitude” down guys…srsly, tired of those “My spec is not op, it feels op just because i’m so pro…and bs like that…” if you are really pro you won’t be affected by nerfs, you’ll play good also with a more balanced spec, so why are you so scared? Can’t you really play anything else? Wonder why…

Funny how someone keeps trying to defend eles just because he can’t probably play anything else except his cheesy bunker/roamer ele, as others said before we all know nerf are coming already no matter what, we just want to know when…just for you to know we’re not actually suggesting anet to nerf eles (They are already going to do so, no reason to ask for it) we’re just trying to figure out what are they going to balance while doing that..so maybe an answer from our beloved JS would be really appreciated..

daydream.2938:

The top team in Na atm is probably PZ. They dont run a thief, i heard some of there members say they felt thiefs didnt bring enough to groups typically.

But, thiefs do give newer players alot of trouble.

That’s why i almost totally left thief and i play mesmer/guardian only when going paids..with mes you bring lots of dps, just little under thief…but you dps on aoe and god, you have soooo much more team support and survivability, 1 mesmer is more useful in tourneys than 2 thieves of the same skill level…imo

Emapudapus.1307:

I hate it when some classes can use spells while chaneling stomp without breaking it. Elementalist mist, necromancer plague and thieves teleport some sort if downed player moves away (quickness and stability from shouts is quite reasonable, since you can use them like that all the time). Ususaly they would brake casting spell, just not with stomp x.x .
So is this right to be so or anet will fix it “soon”?

Is vengeance working as intended too? Because, you know, i see dead ppl walkin’ around…downing you, stomping and going away singing if they have sweet revenge…yes, the same one you downed 20 secs before and you were with half hp left..

ROFL

Yasha.5963:

Archaon.6245:

SunnyJay.5276:

p.s. if you don’t wanna die to the hands of a trap ranger, then don’t stand in the big red circles!? not to hard to figure out

You mean the ones that you can see only if you already went into triggering them? You know they’re called traps…and they are called traps because you actually can’t see them before activation…Please go back hotjoin and never came back…

And a brain is that thing most people have between their ears.

Now where do you suppose a trap ranger holding a point has put their traps? I suggest you try and use that grey matter a little more before QQing, because the answer is pretty obvious.

So tell me genius…how are you supposed to cap a point without stepping into it? Please teach us how to cap points without going into traps inside it…it would be really useful for the whole community, oh and if you are a melee class how are you supposed to kill that ranger before capping if you can’t go near him? Because you know, we’re talking about tpvp not hotjoin crap where you can just give a kitten to point cap and that ranger camping it with traps…

lol some ppl here are just hilarious..

HPLT.7132:

Haha really? And what do you do, when for example the ranger goes into power and also the pet power scales with the ranger. After such a pet you will instantly see 3 threads in this forum, where people complaining about the “new pet strength”. It is the mechanic of a ranger! When you go to gym to build up your muscles, your dog will not benefit from that. The same is true for gw2 pets…
Even when you spec into BM it happen that in big fights, (>=3 people) glass canon pets will die very often. And dont forget pets are an unreliable constant in a fight because you cant really control them.

And for your interest: 0/15/15/15/25 is not a viable BM build

Actual dps pets are strong enough to be an already “scaled” per for a full dps spec…aswell as a bear is already good as a bunker pet….right now rangers already have high dps or high toughness pets the problem is that they can get the opposite of what they’re running to compensate build’s lacks. Using scaling pets doesn’t mean that those pets are going to get buffed…it means putting limitations on pet choices and make dps ones aviable for dps stats only (Or setting all pets like a 0 stat character gaining the same power/prec/tough/healing and so on of the owner) A bunker ranger just must not be able to take a pet made for a dps one…like pretty much everyone do

Mif.3471:

daydream.2938:

To quote the devs. “thiefs give new players alot of trouble, but kinda fade out the higher level of play you get to”

New player tries sPVP
New player gets one shot by Thief
New player new plays sPVP again
Dev’s wonder why sPVP isn’t more popular

Pretty much everyone here got oneshotted by a thief when he got in spvp for the first time, it’s normal and one day you just learn how they work and they’re going not to be a problem anymore….you know if you are new to something called pvp in every game you’re supposed to die, even really badly vs more skilled/experienced players….and you have 2 choices:

1 – You can cry like a kid and stop playing forever because someone killed you, maybe going on forums whining.

2 – You can try to figure out how he managed to kill you and where you did wrong, something like…“Well he got me in 2 secs, but he can’t kill that other more experienced player running my same spec, what is he doing to avoid his burst? Why i can’t do the same? Let’s try to figure out how he plays my same class, if he can laugh at thieves so it’s possible to do so…and i must learn how”

If you take a look at qq thief posts you’ll se that high rank players don’t have problems with thieves at all, expec the ones playing high level paids so it’s just your choice if you want to learn counters or just sit here crying for mom…nothing more, nothing less.

Trying to melee a warrior face to face with a mesmer, even if warrior is not what i would call a top class, is not a good idea…you know he has a big sword and heavy armor…you have a glittery little sword and light armor, why in hell do you want to melee someone you can just kite away and kill with ease?

Liewec.2896:

throw down the curtain/phatansm to reflect their arrows and keep stealthing and cloning since ranger has very few aoes to nuke down all your clones.

Problem is that in tpvp as a mesmer (Aswell as everything else) you can’t chose your skills, dropping your “must have” team support/survival/burst utility skills (Aka portal, null field, illusion of life, blink, decoy or whatever), just to counter one spec or dropping pistol just to have warden….for example you can put feedback on him and then? You can reflect his arrows for 6 secs (If he’s dumb, if he’s not he would simply walk out of it) then you have a 40 cd and you dropped something really important for it….result? That ranger is probably still up and you lost at last 40% of your team support/survivability/dmg (Depends on what you chose to drop)

Sounds not so good to me..

SunnyJay.5276:

p.s. if you don’t wanna die to the hands of a trap ranger, then don’t stand in the big red circles!? not to hard to figure out

You mean the ones that you can see only if you already went into triggering them? You know they’re called traps…and they are called traps because you actually can’t see them before activation…Please go back hotjoin and never came back…

Rangers are not hard to counter if you know how they work and the only ranger problem i can see imo are those bullkitten non scaling pets…if the pet is an “extension” of the ranger, then they should follow his traitlines, a bunker with low power/crits can’t have a pet critting for 4k+ following you everywhere, aswell as a dps ranger shouldn’t have a bear (Well i know bear is kitten, but it’s just for example) tanking dmg like a dam bunker guardian….if you go dps your pet must be dps only, if you go bunker/cond dmg then your pet MUST have kittenty dmg with high toughness and cond dmg…period.

Arheundel.6451:

Archaon.6245:

Arheundel.6451:

Archaon.6245:

Evasive arcana, water healings, boon stacking and air+fire mobility skills shift bunker eles from balanced to broken…bunkering as a guardian or still having mobility and some dmg, chose one…one class just can’t have everything, being tanky, condition removal, lots of healing, mobility and some dmg (At last enough to kill a glass thief) ….a little too much isn’t it? Glass cannons thieves are still called “broken” and they must sacrifice survivability to achieve that “broken” dmg…a backstab thief literally dies for being 2 secs into any aoe, one heal and no stability, protection or everything else….if thieves are considered “broken” all those “i can do everything i want and if it’s getting bad..tadah mist form > rtl and bye bye…-trollface-” eles are not? lol

I know that all those ppl who play ele only are getting mad looking at nerfs coming, cause they’ll probably have to learn to play something else too…but please, disappointment is a thing…saying eles (Expec bunkers) are ok…it’s not..as long as non scaling ranger’s pets as i said before…if you focus on survivability and cond dmg your pet just can’t hit for 3.5-4k crits all around…it’s like a bunker guardian autoattacking for 3.5k+ crits with a kittenload of conditions…i mean…wtf?

I think you’ll get even more mad when the nerfs you’re hoping won’t come XD

Well if they’re not going to balance them properly i’ll go ele and/or trap ranger also…i didn’t till now cause i don’t want to spend time on something obviously going to be nerfed soon, but if they don’t i’ll probably go for it….not really hard to play, just buy 2 new slots for ranger and ele, going hot join 2 days just to learn how it works (For ele aka memorizing the usual skill rotation, cause it’s all you need to do) and go play. I’m just too lazy to do so right now if i’m not really 100% sure they won’t nerf them..

There is no “normal skill rotation” on eles, you have been playing that low skill floor thief profession for too long..not everything is F1-2-2-2-2….shame for you really, going an ele you may actually learn to play

Well…just for you to know i actually play mesmer and sometimes guardian (Only if there’s noone better around) and i pretty much totally left thief like 1 month ago (Since we seriously need a mesmer rather than a thief)…and i also have to say that our r43 necro made a dps ele one week ago and with just one week of practice he managed to down lowell and even danto a couple of times, and 2 days ago we lost vs them (crs) for something like -80/100 so not so bad for having someone playing his class from just 7 days…and trust me, he’s not a superhuman or something…..ele hard to play? Think again. Only a few more buttons than thief to smash in the correct order, nothing more than that.

Btw if you look on how to beat an ele the usual playstyle is to “Wait until he puts the water side of the rotation on cd then dps him” so you’re telling us that eles don’t rotate skills but everyone, even eles from the best teams around, reccomend to just wait for the right moment during his skill rotation…so we can figure two cases here:

a- You are a uber pro roflstomping ele not giving a kitten on how best players actually play because you can play different and better than them.
b – You’re just trolling on purpose or something, maybe trying to prove us (Or yourself) you’re so pro and your class requires so much skills and doesn’t deserve a nerf like others did….oh yes thief for example, just to name one..

But at the end of the day no problems…like i said somewhere else if they’re not going to tone eles down we’ll just roll a 2/3 eles team (Like many many teams already do)… we’re just waiting to know what is going to happen, don’t want to buy another char slot just to make something that is going to be nerfed soon….on the other side if nerf isn’t coming np at all on rolling an ele if needed and l2p it, one week as i said before is more than enough to go paids with it.

Lordrosicky.5813:

Archaon.6245:

guza.6170:

If d/d eles are so completely easy to play its funny how i can kill most of them 1v1 in paids.

we all know paids are full of random funny ppl right now…last night in fon paid, before match starting i went under other base and killed 4 of them except the bunker guardian, all alone with shatter mesmer…

And believe me, it’s not because i’m so pro or something with mesmer…it was only because they were so dam bad, i mean…really really bad, like hotjoin zerg level or even worse….just saying, our bunker guardian at mid went afk for a cig during the match cause necro solo backup was more than enough to hold it even with afk bunker… In 8vs8 paids that would never happen. Never at all.

I would be careful what you say about the standard of people in paids. There is matchmaking which matches you against people of your standard. Thus if you are against people who you consider “bad” often then it means you yourself are “bad” by your own definition because your true ranking will be similar to theirs or you wouldnt of got matched up.

Tl;dr.. you owned yourself.

Well so i have to say this matchmaking system doesn’t really work, because even yesterday with 40/45+ team we met lots of 20+ 30 max teams….and sometimes they also had 10- ppl in party….i only noticed just a little change into matchmaking, we started to meet danto’s ppl and others more than before but we meet low ranked ppl pretty often also…we all have only around 150-180+ qpnts since we can’t go tpvp all day except some “night” runs…

Usually i call ppl “bad” if we can win hands down with our bunker afking or telling jokes on ts…at this point i dunno if it’s the same for you, but i srsly don’t think a 20+ can be called a “balanced team” to fight vs for a 45+ one

Kylex.5962:

incorrect. once again. because we heal alot you automatically assume that its water skills + evasive arcana lol.

Edit: heads up for all eles btw.

after this patch depending on nerfs. the class will be completely useless, nobody would take ele for dps (may as well take Mesmer) and even as dps ele the heals will have lowered even more.

I know it’s all bout boons up all the time too…but water and evasive arcana is the fastest way to go rather than touching boons here and there or nerfing 80% boon duration rune’s combination and stuff. Toning down traits it’s more effective that messing up with all boon’s mechanic, that would maybe lead to some other umbalanced combinations imo…just facing someone who cant just roll and heal+remove condition while eventually healing hard with normal weapon’s skills would be enough for me….

guza.6170:

Well all im saying this are rank 40+ ppl who started playing eles because its the new popular thing right now that died quite easily to another d/d ele (mind u i have been playing d/d ele since beta), it pisses me off to no end i have to listen to ppl all day long how op eles are because so many noobs started playing them, im ok with some balancing but dont go overboard Anet listening to ppl who have no clue wtf they are talking about.

Ive posted months ago how they could improve some of our other trait lines to give us some new options while at the same time slightly nerfing the current water/arcane build…. Ofcourse i got no response from anyone, not even other eles so i stoped trying.

As i said evasive arcana + water is the real problem for bunker eles, aswell as non scaling pets for rangers… everything else is fine imo, dps eles are kinda ok…never said to tone them down, you can pretty much counter them as every other dps class…if they have mist form on cd they go down like everyone else..

Kylex.5962:

guza.6170:

Archaon.6245:

and some dmg (At last enough to kill a glass thief) ….a little too much isn’t it?

lol

impressive damage right.

not impressive, but way more than a guardian for sure..

guza.6170:

If d/d eles are so completely easy to play its funny how i can kill most of them 1v1 in paids.

we all know paids are full of random funny ppl right now…last night in fon paid, before match starting i went under other base and killed 4 of them except the bunker guardian, all alone with shatter mesmer…

And believe me, it’s not because i’m so pro or something with mesmer…it was only because they were so dam bad, i mean…really really bad, like hotjoin zerg level or even worse….just saying, our bunker guardian at mid went afk for a cig during the match cause necro solo backup was more than enough to hold it even with afk bunker… In 8vs8 paids that would never happen. Never at all.

Arheundel.6451:

Archaon.6245:

Evasive arcana, water healings, boon stacking and air+fire mobility skills shift bunker eles from balanced to broken…bunkering as a guardian or still having mobility and some dmg, chose one…one class just can’t have everything, being tanky, condition removal, lots of healing, mobility and some dmg (At last enough to kill a glass thief) ….a little too much isn’t it? Glass cannons thieves are still called “broken” and they must sacrifice survivability to achieve that “broken” dmg…a backstab thief literally dies for being 2 secs into any aoe, one heal and no stability, protection or everything else….if thieves are considered “broken” all those “i can do everything i want and if it’s getting bad..tadah mist form > rtl and bye bye…-trollface-” eles are not? lol

I know that all those ppl who play ele only are getting mad looking at nerfs coming, cause they’ll probably have to learn to play something else too…but please, disappointment is a thing…saying eles (Expec bunkers) are ok…it’s not..as long as non scaling ranger’s pets as i said before…if you focus on survivability and cond dmg your pet just can’t hit for 3.5-4k crits all around…it’s like a bunker guardian autoattacking for 3.5k+ crits with a kittenload of conditions…i mean…wtf?

I think you’ll get even more mad when the nerfs you’re hoping won’t come XD

Well if they’re not going to balance them properly i’ll go ele and/or trap ranger also…i didn’t till now cause i don’t want to spend time on something obviously going to be nerfed soon, but if they don’t i’ll probably go for it….not really hard to play, just buy 2 new slots for ranger and ele, going hot join 2 days just to learn how it works (For ele aka memorizing the usual skill rotation, cause it’s all you need to do) and go play. I’m just too lazy to do so right now if i’m not really 100% sure they won’t nerf them..

Evasive arcana, water healings, boon stacking and air+fire mobility skills shift bunker eles from balanced to broken…bunkering as a guardian or still having mobility and some dmg, chose one…one class just can’t have everything, being tanky, condition removal, condition spamming, lots of healing, mobility and some dmg (At last enough to kill a glass thief) ….a little too much isn’t it? Glass cannon thieves are still called “broken” and they must sacrifice survivability to achieve that “broken” dmg…a backstab thief literally dies for standing 2 secs into any aoe, one heal and no stability, protection or everything else….if thieves are considered “broken” all those “i can do everything i want and if it’s getting bad..tadah mist form > rtl and bye bye…-trollface-” eles are not? lol

I know that all those ppl who play ele only are getting mad looking at nerfs coming, cause they’ll probably have to learn to play something else too (I did it after dazelock nerf, it’s your time now)…but please, disappointment is a thing…saying eles (Expec bunkers) are ok…it’s not (As it wasn’t for dazelock, and you know, it was really much harder to play than bunker ele)..as long as non scaling ranger’s pets as i said before…if you focus on survivability and cond dmg your pet just can’t hit for 3.5-4k crits all around…it’s like a bunker guardian’s spirit weapon autoattacking for 3.5k+ crits with a kittenload of conditions…i mean…wtf?

Put any decent bunker ele and a shout cond removal guardian on the same spot (Let’s say mid..but it can be far side also for more trolling) and that point is yours…no matter if they’re two or five….it’s just a waste of time. Once you got it and they give up leave the guardian there and the ele can go backcap a side of his choice. Now all you have to do is backupping (You want 3 dps/2 dps 1 cond necro or ranger) when needed and looking at your points growing up while waiting for win…if you want overkill send a mesmer with time warp with your 2 dps.

Done. Works like 9/10 in paids…and if it doesn’t work it’s because you did something wrong.

Durzlla.6295:

I fail to see the problem with stealth/invulnerable stomping

First of all stealth is way far from invulnerability…you can kill someone in stealth (Oh you can’t see him? Yeah so if you are down and that thief or mez goes stealth he’s going for a picknik for sure or maybe, just maybe, he did that to stomp you? Just saying..) Invulnerable aka mist form stomp it’s way different…you can spam a ton of aoe or interrupts on your downed mate preventing every stealth stomp(And usually killing the thief/mez if he’s dumb enough to try stomping anyway standing in aoes, and you know…thieves don’t have stability…) but nothing can prevent an ele from mist form stomping someone, the only way i know is rezzing him with 3 of you team before his stomp ends.

bhagwad.4281:

Sure, it may be a killfest but it still requires skill.

yeah sure…and wvsw also requires skill…..

/facepalm

Just nerf evasive arcana and water healing to the ground and make pets scaling with ranger stats, as it should be.

Done.

Usually if you team works nobody has to ask why…it’s all bout how is mid? How many at side and so on….if someone is asking why in my team is because something is not working as intended so we can figure out what is happening and fix it asap if possible, but sometimes you find ppl who just outplay you and you can do pretty much nothing..just map chat gg at the end for them and learn from that for the next one. When you play with good people everyone should know what to do, so there’s no reason to ask why someone is doing something…everyone must focus on his job and leave others doing theirs, if everyone start to look on what others should do you’re not going anywhere imo

O S I A S.5460:

The Bad
Why is X not happening
Why are you not doing X
Why are we loosing at X
Why are you so bad lol – j/k on the last one but pretty much summarizes it

…you are totally right man but…you forgot the usual map chat rager, many times he’s the same one raging with mates as you wrote in op… you know the one spamming map chat with bs like “Yeah come here, come 1vs1 i’ll kill youuuuu!!!111!1!! NOOB * (* Add your class here)!!1!11!! Oh you scared??? Come on!!! Let’s duel i’ll show you how pro i am!!!11!!!1!…” and so on stuff….meanwhile your team has 3 points and is winning by +200 or more…..pretty annoying ppl but still funny..sometimes the map rager also follows you around with no reason trying to set up an improvised duel…that usually ends up with killing him badly, pinning a tiger on his azz and then repeatedly jumping on his body because you’ve nothing else to do (You already have 3 caps and you’re going to win in seconds)

True story, i think pretty much everyone went through this at last once..

Hyperion.6027:

Also, someone mentioned it took people 3 years to reach the highest rank in HA (and the phoenix emote). 3 years is still only half-way to 6 years. 3 years for the highest title sounds reasonable to me, but 6 sounds absurd. Or very arrogant, but they cannot afford that, considering the current state of PvP.

Phoenix emote is r12 hero…max rank is r15 with dragon emote

btw i still can’t understand why ppl need to get everything as fast as possible, again if something takes a short time to achieve is pretty worthless…you get nothing from that title so why ppl care so much about? It’s only a reward for constant YEARS of hardcore playing and only a few deserve it….making everything easy would just stop kid’s QQ but is giving no meaning to high stuff titles….

Personally i don’t think i will ever reach ascendant pvp title like i never got Legendary Hero in gw1…and again, it’s fine…i will go as high as possible and gratz to the ones who will finally manage to achieve it…why ppl still qq like “I will never get it buuuuhhh…make it easy so i can get my max title buuuuhhh, everyone need to reach max titles, otherwise buuhhh QQ cry moar”

Seriously? Wtf?

This game is PEGI 12+ but it really doesn’t seem so…

And btw i can show acendant hom title too and then? Everyone knows noone has the pvp ascendant title and everyone can always /rank check..the only thing you get from showing up hom ascendant in pvp is that you look like a bs “Yeah sure, nice try” idiot…but yes, the same title for 2 different things it’s probably a bit stupid, and ascendant pvp title sux imo…just change the pvp title into something else, maybe just a bit more cool than that…gw1 titles were ten times better than those…

Rambodacious.7495:

Archaon.6245:

imo here ranking up is wayyy faster and easier than in gw1….and i mean…really…REALLY…faster, people 63+ already rushing for phoenix after some months…come on it took MeatBall from Math guild, if i remember right, around one year to reach phoenix emote with lots and lots of good (not hot join crap like pretty much everyone of those rank farmers do) playing…..

So…are you serious?

First, I have no idea wtf you’re talking about. Second, why the hell should a title take 6 years? How is it impressive? It’s simply a “I know what I’m doing” title. It is not “I’m a good player” title. Especially considering you make glory faster in hot joins.

If people want to express dominance, it shouldn’t be through a six year daily grind. The only thing that expresses is a complete lack of a life and a pathetic need to impress strangers. I want these titles to be more attainable to give people a better idea of where you stand experience wise, just by clicking on your character.

So…are YOU serious?

Let me give you an advice…just go try guild wars 1 and then come back again. Getting max titles in a short time makes those title worthless, titles are just a reward not something you have to farm for, titles bring nothing to you but the title itself…it’s not a gear or something that makes you stronger it’s just something than not everyone can get, i was not for sure one of those who reached r15 hero and it’s fine…starcraft, oh my, chamalee and so on put much more effort and time than me playing HA so they deserved it and i didn’t….in guild wars 1 you also get fame points (The same of actual honor points) only by winning matches, that’s why i’m saying that here ranking up is wayyy more easy than there, everyone gets honor even if loosing and everyone can rank up…and ranks also require less time to get, so no…ranking up it’s all but long here compared to the gw1 system. In gw1 you would probably be one of those buying zkeys on ebay just to show a max “pvp” (ROFL) title…

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

IYou get groups on the same level as you are, so the competition is high there.

Are you sure? Usually with my team we get “hard” teams just, let’s say, once every three or four runs….we normally face 20 or 30+ max, and happened sometimes to go vs the same 10+ team like 3 times in a row and yes this sux…as a new player just trying paids maybe for the first time facing the same 40/50+ team and obviously getting obliterated for 3 times in a row well…it’s way more than just demoralizing…and both don’t have fun playing this way.

This needs to be changed for sure..

MaXi.3642:

many people here dont even know what is the purpose of hotjoins and try to make it a real mode with matchmaking… its a bit funny

Hotjoin must not be a honor farming zergfest….already have wvsw for unskilled zerg rambos, we don’t need them in spvp too. Do you like roflstomping nabs just because you outnumber/outgear/outlevel them with no skills needed? Fine…get an uber pve gear and join the biggest wvsw zerg you can find and you’re done, they’ll probably call you “pro” too and you earn gold while doing so…but, please, clean up spvp from those kids already…we don’t need them…srsly

Aurum.8793:

Shanos.2459:

Deniara Devious.3948:

Shanos.2459:

Leadfoot.9071:

3) Penalize players who quit matches early

This is just a bad idea. In GW1 I played Alot of Random Areana.
Some days I spent more time not playing due to deserter penalty, cause every matchup we didnt have a monk and the oposing team did. and in that game having the monk was a free win.
So after awile of being denied the ability to play I lost interest and only played when I had absolutly nothing better to do.

dont punish players like there children standing in the corner for 15 min cause they were bad. If the player wants to leave let them, someone else might join to take there place or auto balance.
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Well, what do you suggest instead?

Ragequitting rarely does good to team based game modes.

You could e.g. get a Mo/W to your team and it first looked “wow, now I finally got some good monk to my team” and then it turns out that the monk is waving his hammer, smiting and attacking the enemies first and dying in <10 seconds. Or W/E spamming flare and using meteor shower. LOL

Oh those days, back then pvp was fun!

Deniara Devious

lol this brings back memories.

but as far as what to do i dont know, I just know that punishing players for wanting to leave a match is bad buisness.
WoW never punished players for leaving a BG and it was all good, never disliked that system. ANet needs to learn a thing or 2 from them.

they should go buy a copy of WoW, level to 19 and go to Warsong Gulch.
Document everything they see and use that here.
better game type, better team system etc etc.

Lies and slander. You get a 15 minute penalty for leaving a battleground in WoW. But I agree with you; Anet could, and should, learn from this. Specfically this feature.

We already had leaver debuff in gw1 random arenas…so why in hell they didn’t put it here?

Leadfoot.9071:

1) Don’t allow players to choose a server
2) Wait until there is a full roster of players and then start the game
3) Penalize players who quit matches early
4) Implement some sort of team balancing (by rank and by profession so that experience and profession is equally distributed across the teams)

Agree with everything…leaver debuffs and full static teams, and for sure some balance…actually there are many many really bad 50+ farming hot join all day just to rank up, put them vs some experienced players and let’s see how they perform there…

Stomping nabs it’s just too easy…you shuold get an amount of honor points per kill based on rank difference…the more you outrank someone the less points you get. Wanna see less nab farming bears and more good players playing for the team around.

what about giving us both 8vs8 and 1vs1 paids?

Agree with random map without rotation….and please, please….if it’s still there fix those ovehealing underwater downed rangers before putting roc in tpvp…

oh…and start banning macro users…..really annoying sometimes, you already ban bots right? So ban them all

imo here ranking up is wayyy faster and easier than in gw1….and i mean…really…REALLY…faster, people 63+ already rushing for phoenix after some months…come on it took MeatBall from Math guild, if i remember right, around one year to reach phoenix emote with lots and lots of good (not hot join crap like pretty much everyone of those rank farmers do) playing…..

So…are you serious?

you go down at -1 not at 0….

Real question is…how the kitten did a warrior manage to bring a trap ranger to 0 hp? xD

just get rid of those buffs already…

Why using longbow if you can go like pretty much everyone’s going just quickness pew pew pew pew the kitten out of ppl with sbow? No skills required and pretty annoying….and probably more effective than exotic lbow spec.. (It’s like hs spam thief…but since it’s ranger it’s ok..)

If u want something really effective just go trapper, and let non scaling (Totally bs) pets and the kittenloads of conditions you can spam everywhere do the job for you…

want capes not stupid animals on my back… u.u