Fastweb operators are worse than sh…. just like every dam call center operator here in italy, sometimes I end up explaining THEM how their stuff works…enough said, if we have to wait those fastweb, libero, infostrada fkrs to fix it…well good luck to every italian friend out here
Fastweb (Ovada AL) runs as usual…i can download stuff and play other games…and like last night being on skype with gw2 guildmates without communication lags but couldn’t play a dam crap in the game…..wtf
Can’t play a crap…from tpvp to hot join…so considering i do almost 99% pvp tell me wtf can i do…yesterday night i left pvp cause it was lagging as hell and i decided to have a break in wvsw, guess what also LA was lagging like sh… and made me log out and in some times, also teleporting to another place didn’t work…basically i was stuck in LA and cannot enter wvsw, move away or even go back to mists….i logged out and stopped playing, and today while not having issues in the world as soon as i start something in pvp i start lagging like yesterday…fix your sh anet
And maybe if you want to learn how to play pvp seriously leave wvsw and go tpvp….wvsw it’s all about gear and zerg, it’s not pvp it’s just a different type of semi-intelligent mobs pve…you can run pretty much everything with pretty much every gear, your zerg is bigger and you suck? you will win anyway….that’s not the way to learn something at all
Can’t play a crap…from tpvp to hot join…so considering i do almost 99% pvp tell me wtf can i do…yesterday night i left pvp cause it was lagging as hell and i decided to have a break in wvsw, guess what also LA was lagging like sh… and made me log out and in some times, also teleporting to another place didn’t work…basically i was stuck in LA and cannot enter wvsw, move away or even go back to mists….i logged out and stopped playing, and today while not having issues in the world as soon as i start something in pvp i start lagging like yesterday…fix your sh anet
There are also some coming here saying “I play a thief and i’m too overpowered, i can permastealth and spam backstab while staying in stealth owning everything around” Already saw things like this…maybe play it and learn how it works BEFORE coming here talkin’ bs and saying you actually own everyone with a glass thief, a burst thief can only kill a few specs around (All glass cannons) everything just a little bit more balanced would simply laugh at BS…as i do with ele and mesmer…and cond/dazelock thief aswell
None of these thief players could do any better then you did no matter what they say.
I made a thief to test the combo and learn its weak points. Its easy to the extream and has zero weakpoints, its the perfect glass cannon build never seen anything so fast and strong in all my MMO gaming days.
Zero weakpoints? Thief best bunker of the year guys….don’t run gurdians with tough, healing, aegis, cond removal and conversion and so on.. just take a thief and tank people to hell
Seriously, this much damage in 3 seconds. I understand there is PvP but for goodness sakes that is ridiculous amount of damage in 3 seconds.
I don’t even know how to counter this, spec wise.
Screenshots: Look at combat log.
3 secs? There are players who can avoid it and kill the thief back in 3 seconds…and WvsW with PvE gear? Sorry but this is not going to be interesting, pve gear on both attacker and defender can be too much different to judge something….and anyway 3 secs it’s way more than enough time to counter a burst
I think the main difference is that in paid tourney’s people tend to think in terms of “did we win the fight” not “did I win”
Strange…because actually everyone MUST think that way…you are in a team so play for the team, this way of thinking only leads to noob zergs in hot join fighting around for kills not caring about capping or team’s points…and those are the worst, even worse than HS spammers but playing for the team… Idk how people can’t get it…
THIS IS NOT A 1vs1 GAME
THIS IS NOT A DEATHMATCH
THIS IS A COOPERATIVE GAME WHERE EVERYONE MUST PLAY FOR A TEAM NOT FOR HIMSELF
Do you want to go 1vs1 all the time? …go play street fighter, we will be really grateful
no..just pop any def skill or daze, that would be more than enough to make him failing his burst
you can make a bunker guardian also able to face some necros…and with no more high burst ppl around they will all roll more condition convert and removal screwing up cond necros that are actually the only thing that can kill a mediocre bunker guardian
c&d BS alone means that you must stay in melee range…and you’re probably going to die before landing the first c&d if you are stupid enough not to get the crap away very fast….only a crazy glass thief would stay in melee range just to land a c&d
Please, stop with those untrue statements.
Everyone is able to survive for 3 seconds to vanish in stealth again. A dodge just cover half of the time.
You’re right, by the way. None is that stupid to wait 3 seconds to perform another backstab combo when Heartseeker is more than enough to finish the job.
if in the other team are totally noobs…because if good players spot a thief first of all they’ll daze, cripple, chill and everything him as soon as he gets visible or just in range…if you mind waiting for him to stealth again and maybe letting him to get steal again well….maybe someone deserves what he gets…and i play ele, guardian, mesmer and cond dmg thief…and i can’t avoid HS spammers PW and BS pretty much everytime…if i get killed it’s because i made a mistake or i had stuff on cd, not because it was impossible to counter
With bull’s charge, bolas or both you’re going to get an hb on your face just like BS (Not…because if you get a BS on your face it deals half dmg)…or you can use a stunbreaker and evade it…just like BS..
If lots of people can easily avoid BS combos it means that you can actually counter them..or there are so many superhumans out there…
The fact is that any unhasted BS combo is 2x faster to perform than an hasted HB.
This means, roughly, that an unhasted BS combo is 2x harder to counter than an hasted HB combo.
Plus, once you performed your hasted BS combo and you succeded to avoid it, you are forced for 60 seconds to perform only unhasted HB, which is actualy 4x slower than an unhasted BS, so roughly 4x easier to evade at least.
With your thief, on the other hand, you are still able to perform an half version of you backstab combo with CnD+Backstab every 3 seconds, which still deals pretty decent damage in 3/4 seconds.
c&d BS alone means that you must stay in melee range…and you’re probably going to die before landing the first c&d if you are stupid enough not to get the crap away very fast….only a crazy glass thief would stay in melee range just to land a c&d..on the other hand with a warrior with invulnerability, more armor and way bigger hp pool you can stay there and keep on fighting
no they can’t…crying on forums is much more easy that learn how to counter someone
Any class that can instant-kill in three seconds is broken and makes the game unfun, regardless if some builds can happen to have any counters, and regardless if that profession dies in three seconds too.
Getting killed in three seconds, or surviving, countering, and killing in three seconds, is not fun. It’s a pure rock-paper-scissors game.
3 seconds it’s a pretty long time…gw1 good spikes usually drop you in 1 sec…and in that 1 sec the infuser, if he’s good, can heal and save you…everything in that short second…amazing uh?
noone uses haste with BS combo…if he does he can’t reach very high damage cause you need all your utilities for might stacking….so OR 1.5 sec burst (But only able to kill, maybe, another glass cannon) OR very high dmg burst without haste you can’t go with both…..other questions? And…are you talking about frenzy HB? Because with war you can go with both high dmg and haste…so Hb hasted is 4 secs? Really?
Plus, you are not considering the casting time of Bull’s Charge.
With bull’s charge, bolas or both you’re going to get an hb on your face just like BS (Not…because if you get a BS on your face it deals half dmg)…or you can use a stunbreaker and evade it…just like BS..
If lots of people can easily avoid BS combos it means that you can actually counter them..or there are so many superhumans out there…
Yes, if you manage to find somebody willing to stand still and facetank a full hundred blades.
…or somebody who wants to stand and take a full steal c&d and BS burst aswell as hb or other glass bursts…i can counter them just like lots and lots of ppl out there, if you can’t it’s your problem not ours
Steal + CnD + Backstab = less than 1 second without quickness (1/2s CnD + 1/4s backstab + 0s Steal)
Hundred Blades = at least 1 3/4s seconds with quickness
So, there is quite a difference between the two things.
noone uses haste with BS combo…if he does he can’t reach very high damage cause you need all your utilities for might stacking….so OR 1.5 sec burst (But only able to kill, maybe, another glass cannon) OR very high dmg burst without haste, you can’t go with both…..other questions? And…are you talking about frenzy HB? Because with war you can go with both high dmg and haste…so what’s your point?
Isn’t the “insta-kill” Thief a counter to a Bunker spec’d player? I mean once the burst is done the Thief pretty much dies while possibly not even killing the bunker spec…
IMO the problem isn’t these alleged “OP” builds it’s players not being able to deal with the fact they die. Everyone gets killed, get over yourself.
no they can’t…crying on forums is much more easy that learn how to counter someone
Yes, if you manage to find somebody willing to stand still and facetank a full hundred blades.
…or somebody who wants to stand and take a full steal c&d and BS burst aswell as hb or other glass bursts…i can counter them just like lots and lots of ppl out there, if you can’t it’s your problem not ours
Yeah lol…I remember that idiotic : Obsidian Princess from [MATH] Teacher reload pro scrub guild or maybe that Celestial rats invoke spike noobs ( still remember when my mesmer screwed them over : cry of frustation-complicate-power lock lol)
And Noobkiller’s invoke spike? “Hoo hoo hoo, I’m r12 and you are all noobs”….hilarious… xD Never saw him showing a phoenix anyway Noobkiller was one of the best random fame farmers ever
rank and QP currently mean nothing but time played, so i see no point in them wasting time adding this until they add ranks that actually represent skill.
In gw1 there were iway fame farmers with pretty high ranks…but everyone knew they were random ranked noobs, the same would happen here…if you are r30 but you can’t do crap every good player will know about it in a few days…and good luck gettin your reputation back if you’re tagged like a noob fame farmer…
Farmers exist with or without /rank emotes…but for many many..many players (Expec those from gw1) emotes would be a really nice target…and if you want to put lots and lots of time doing something, you MUST have a target
Backstab this single attack can deal more damage than any other class in the game anywhere from 6-12k dmg from a single strike and a clever thief can bump it up with might stacking and signet use.
really…? Let’s talk about HB AOE damage…….and just saying…BS only deals good damage if it strikes on back or sides…clearly the most op of them all, please…
actually the best single-target skill is moa…and i’m not saying to nerf it, but if you look into other classes you can find some really awesome skills, much more better than BS
Just like hot join right now? Well actually there are objectives…but usually a two mindless zergs of nabs end up fighting each other in the middle of nowere just to get skirmish points and get totally unuseful and ridicolous ranks…..it’s hilarious and sad at the same time. Points at the end of the match and not during it, 5 points for skirmish and NO POINTS for loser team (Nothing, zero, only wasted time)…problem solved, nabs would think twice before playing like rambo wannabes giving a crap about teamwork
Classes dont need to be rebalanced and possibly ruined, just change the cap mechanic.
…and start playing something that can MOVE…not a stupid concrete block to put somewhere to hold a point…srsly? How the crap can you have fun tanking some pugs the whole time in the same spot?
Just to note, it is fun to tank people in this game because it is mostly about knowing when to use your abilities to negate your opponents attacks, when to dodge and when to heal.
http://youtu.be/2wixgh7Dv_A Did you see it?
Actually those people, read description, have no idea how to play a bunker guardian and still rock…so not much skills needed
Simple…give points only to winners at the end of the match, not during it…like gw1 old good days…you’ll never see nabs zerging again and this would also stop unskilled people from farming points doing nothing for the team, and maybe they’ll l2p
The best reason pvp is because you enjoy pvp. People need to get out of the toxic mindset of doing stuff for rewards rather than the activity.
Man, noone would play, let’s say, dungeons, without rewards, and this is just an example…yes maybe they’re fun (The first time, or the first ten times..maybe) but you will never do it for 50, 100, 200 times just for fun….at one point also pvp becomes a sort of work….do you think those starcraft – chamalee – oh my etc enjoied it? To achieve something really high, no matter what, at one point, if you’re mentally sane, you have to FORCE yourself doing it….and actually for what? Just…nothing
New maps for sure, some new ways to play them and not only those BS tournaments, /rank and points only for winners (So ranks would mean something)….and this is all we need and i don’t think this would be much more problematic to do than making and setting up a whole map like crystal desert..or not?
Guys really? Are you arguing on what happens if you go back to mists for not being stomped??? Are you kidding me? Leaving for not being stomped is the worst childish and useless crap i’ve ever seen, ever…what’s the point of doing something like that? The one who downed you can’t get a kill? So you leave every match when someone you don’t like downs you? You leave and unbalance the whole team because you can’t accept you have been beaten by someone? Are you 8yo or what? Seriously…no joke, are you trolling? You can’t be serious
that’s because the pvp rank doesn’t mean anything andany kitten can get hit unlike gw1 where the number2 map was a net anti-noob , old times were so good
And we miss them…bring them back anet, you made an awesome pvp game with gw1…don’t ruin everything with this…
I got really mad today at this cheap kitten using one hit stealth kills and quickness on his thief to down me. So i exit to desktop as he was starting to stomp me. I leave the game,correct? he gets no kill.
u.u LOL? Actually to leave the game correctly you have to unplug your pc when he’s in the middle of his stomp…he’s jumping, you see his feet leave the ground…that’s the moment to unplug everything, but you have to practice on timing, for a beginner i suggest to use a pair of scissors to rapidly cut the power cable right near psu, well you’ll need some money for a new cable every stomp but with practice you’ll finally learn the manual unplug art and share it with friends…
Paid Tournaments are definately BS
Gems? What can you do with gems? Buy sunglasses for your town clothes (ROFL)? Buy glory boosters to gain more glory to spend in chests with crap inside? Or…maybe…trade gems for gold and then what? There’s nothing to do with gold if someone wants to play pvp…and if you want gold for pve the fastest way to farm gold is…well…play pve. I really can’t get the point of all of this…maybe i’m just idiot (Probably yes) or something…but srsly i can’t
Rank itself should be the Reward, if it actually reflects player skills rather than just the length of mindless grind.
In other competitive game, such as SC2 and Super Street fighter 4, people enjoys to play just to improve their skills so that they can have higher rank to brag with and challenge stronger opponents. Sadly, this does not exist in GW2. The so called Rank is just a grindfest like WOW’s honor points.
And here we have the other problems…in gw1 you get rank points only winning the match…no matter what if you have a bad team and you lose you get no points, nothing…you just wasted your time…and if you want to get something you MUST improve yourself and find good mates and l2p a build in a team(Not iway please), here pvp it’s a grind party like pve…you gain points even if you lose, maybe less (Or maybe not) but you can still get ranks loosing every single match…it’s nonsense…nonsense at all
Rank 33 and you just feel the same as r10….yes you have experience, you faceroll people and have a wolf (Not so cool imo) when you stomp others…and…..nothing else. 90% of cosmetic items look like crap, and at r40 they still look crap..and i bet also at 50… And most of all…in gw1 you had the magic emote, the console command that pushed millions of players to dedicate a game life in HA (Like me btw)….where are \rank emotes? We have those titles…yes avenger (pretty cool…if you love cpt america and iroman) Ransacker (Horrible) Marauder (Probably sounds just a bit better than ransacker but still terrible) and so on…and nothing else…oh yes…a ton of 15 slot account bound bags…wow
Seriously people need first of all spammable \rank emotes (That were the first target in gw1 for everyone playing HA) then some REALLY useful items, like HoH chest stuff actually worth something (Cristalline sword, remember?), minipets, pve exotic stuff and so on…not just gems who everyone can have just farming gold and buying them…something that you CAN’T get in pve, something you can show in pve also proving that you spent time and effort becoming better not just farmed lv80 maps or dungeons mindlessly all day long (Not attacking those people, if someone likes to play pve only everyone can do what he wants)…i don’t know if you can get my point but we seriously need something really rewarding because at the moment you keep ranking up without knowing why are you doing it..And btw…the tiger finisher emote is ugly….not just bad…it’s plain, terribly horrible dfq happened to gw1 roaring r9? It’s like a diseased underfed cat crying for attention….sad
yeah its funny because backstab isent even the most op thief build. those guys give up everything for damage.
the future will hold thiefs that are comparable in toughness and vitality to guardians, rival necro’s in terms of condition damage, pretty much cover half the map with caltrops whenever they dodge roll, keeping everyone on your team crippled 24/7 and they most likely will gain a swiftness on dodgeroll, so they will still be uncatchable. daggerstorm will make its return into pvp and thiefs will run multiple stunbreakers.
and that just the most “fair” build for your oponents, cant wait till the dazelock QQ begins ‘OMG Theif killed me i could do nothing back pls fix anet’ =(
brace yourself… kittens rage bout thieves on the 16th is coming mate
Classes dont need to be rebalanced and possibly ruined, just change the cap mechanic.
…and start playing something that can MOVE…not a stupid concrete block to put somewhere to hold a point…srsly? How the crap can you have fun tanking some pugs the whole time in the same spot?
Always same story…always have to see noobs crying for a class that they don’t know, i read people who say that you can spam backstab, that you can permastealth while dealing damage…or just like this one posting a part of the screen with some random damage and a build QQing to nerf something…as far as i know you can make screens wthout wearing armor, you can screen dmg in wvsw and claim someone did it in spvp or just photoshop all…if you want to cry maybe make a dam video at last…probably you will only prove that you’re a nab unable to deal with easy countered builds like BS or HS spam…they should add a 12+ age tag on this game, srsly
since he literally appears while in the animation of doing his next stealth (backstab)
Lolwhat? So now backstab gives you stealth? Interesting, noone informed me about that…always thought that BS was a stealth BREAKER because it’s an attack skill triggered from being in stealth and breaking it dealing double damage if hits on back or side…you discover new things everyday
Actually, the thief is pretty much the only class that has any hopes of just DPSing down bunkers, other classes can’t even come close to it.
Ahaha…nope. Bunkers are the hard foil to BS thieves. Want to kill a bunker? Grab a necro.
Killed a bunker earlier with my mesmer 1v1. well timed interrupts and smart use of phantasms makes them pretty easy.
But dude…you are talking about skills. Well timed skills? Umad? Here everyone wants to win versus bunkers and glasscannons without learning a crap on how to use their own skills…just nerfing others so they can do something instead of being facerolled hundred times a day. Stop using well timed rupts, and stop being a good player with a brain…just QQ more and maybe with next patch you can win…well probably not but you can still go back to the forum and cry even more..
As you can see its fortunate Thiefs are so amazingly well designed at their very core that they can easily recover from any nerfs by adapting to another intricite gameplay strategy and twitchy rotation.
actually not…they’re probably moving to condition damage thief and destroy you once again while learning how to play it…and trust me, if you have issues fighting a noob BS or HS spam thief you’re going to get owned by condition dmg ones, and QQ omg thief OP will start…once again….
there’s no way to bonus up for rank faster, you can rank faster only playing better or vs worse players…both ways are effective but i suggest the first
Noobkiller was one of the best random fame farmers ever