Guild Wars 2

Noctred.6732:

I agree that claims about spvp balance shouldn’t come from wvw experiences because, as said, balance in that environment isn’t parallel to balance in spvp. However, that doesn’t mean wvw isn’t pvp – it’s just a different form of pvp with a different ruleset.

I guess you just misrepresented your argument? Cause tbh what you said in the OP and what you’re saying now are two pretty different things.

They’re not different…i still think that those zerg vs zerg are not real pvp, it’s much more like pve events where tons of mobs spam around and you just have to kill them or being killed…while completing an event that rewards karma and gold…no skills needed, if your zerg is bigger (Or you bought better stuff) you win…if not you lose. End of the story I don’t think you can’t see that this is really more similar to pve than pvp (or spvp if you want) even without talking about pve gears and skills, the only difference is that those mobs are controlled by uknown (For you) players…but the mechanic is the same, under all aspects….guild wars 1 pvp is based on skills not zergs, maybe i’m wrong but i don’t think anyone from gw1 would actually define wvsw as pvp….never

Something where the bigger horde with better weapons is going to win even if composed by totally unskilled people called pvp would have simply been an abomination in gw1…

Shukran.4851:

dota 2 is dota1 full HD why? because dota1 players wanted it to be that way.

gw1 players came to gw2 because of the previous game. sadly gw2 is not gw1 full HD and a lot of players are disappointed about it. and a lot of gw1 playerbase would like to play again gw1 GvG.

it is only a anet fault. nothing more, nothing less.

Honor points for losers…..enough said. This is the worst crap ever for an old gw1 player….zergs fighting for point farming instead of teamwork….seriously? Give points at the end of the match only to winners…this would instantly solve so many problems preventing noobs from gaining ranks just from farming, this is not dam pve….we don’t want stupid farmers we want good players to play with…..it’s not difficoult to understand

I didn’t start this without a point…everyday i see people complaining about wvsw dmg, stealth, portals and other crap on this part of the forum…..usually after like 5 mins someone reminds them that here (s-tpvp) is not wvsw and noone cares about it because it’s another world separated from the mists, with different skills, balances and rules…and as usual they start whining like “It’s PvP like tournaments!! There’s no difference! You just don’t want to hear me!!! My screens are legit for proving umbalances. It’s not a l2p problem” and crap like that….and it’s annoying…it’s like trying to expain something to a brick wall, so i hope those brick walls can finally understand it with this topic..but i’m not so sure..

There is a WvsW section for a reason…use it

Regrets of Sini.6083:

@OP

tPvP isn’t that much better. It isn’t team death match elimination, but holding control points “PvCircle”.

And we all thank anet for those circles…there are so many nab zergs already fighting around mindlessly for points with circles, i can’t imagine without…..

Yasha.5963:

Doesn’t WvW stand for Player vs Door?

I thinks it stands for Zerg vs Zerg vs Doors/Walls/Mobs

Kilger.5490:

In wvwvw I see players fighting players so…

Unless you can show me that the pvp only patch changes only affect spvp then maybe you’ve got a point, but they could easily implement those changes to work in all player vs player engagements. WvWvW is different than pve, in many ways, such as badges of honor etc.

Have you ever read just one skill patch? I don’t think so..

Let’s take the last one for example:

Cloak and Dagger: This skill’s damage has been reduced by 33% in PvP only.

Cluster Shot: This skill’s damage is reduced by 15% in PvP.

Tactical Strike: This skill’s damage has been increased by 10% in all formats. This skill’s daze duration has been reduced from 2 seconds to 1.5 seconds in PvP.

Shield of Judgment: This skill’s protection duration has been set to 3 seconds from 5 seconds in PvP only.

Selfless Daring: This trait had an efficiency with healing power that was reserved for healing skills only and has now been reduced to its intended level. Heal scaling has been reduced by 50% in PvP only.

Do I have to continue?

PvP only actually means: Those skills have been nerfed only in sPvP and tPvP, WvsW would not be affected at all because you use PvE skills there…so what’s your point?

Kilger.5490:

In wvwvw I see players fighting players so…

Ok so let’s make it this way…WvsW is a PvEvP…but it’s not real s or tPvP ok? So don’t talk BS about PvEvP on PvP’s posts…Sounds correct now? You want to prove something related to WvsW skills or classes? Go WvsW section…here’s not your place

Teabaker.9524:

What the hell is this kitten, ofc it is PvP. Why do you even care? What do you want to achieve with this post?

As i said…people have to stop posting WvsW screens or videos to prove something PvP related…it doesn’t make sense

Noctred.6732:

WvW is PvP in the same way that games like UO, DAoC, AO, Shadowbane, Darkfall, Eve, and all the rest are PvP games. World PvP is what this entire genre grew up on and those were, arguably, the golden days of the MMORPG.

Either way – regardless of whether it’s open or canned, it’s all PvP.

If it was the only “PvP” aviable maybe…but you can see that everything in WvsW from rewards to gears, to levels and skills fall under PvE world…you earn gold, you use PvE stuff, you use PvE skills and you can just gank players 30-40-50 lvs under you….there ‘s nothing like s-tPvP there, yes you fight ppl instead of monsters….but it doesn’t mean it’s pvp, you can’t even see the names on the other team….like they are, guess what? Player controlled monsters…

Aragiel.6132:

thats only our opinion. WvW is PvP, but its true is not fair and unbalanced.. but thats the nature.

I guess you never played in trully organized guild focused on open PvP.. because then you should see it a bit differently..

It’s not my opinion…WvsW falls under PvE rules, infact PvP nerfs and gears don’t affect WvsW…..if you take a look at skills you can clearly see that you have PvE versions in WvsW and PvP versions in PvP. It’s really easy to undestand

I see lots of people talkin’ about WvsW like it was PvP…sorry but you are wrong.

WvsW is just a different pve with semi-intelligent mobs (And sometimes more stupid than ai ones) with pve gear and pve skills and requires way less single player’s skills than real pvp (Your zerg is bigger and you suck? You will win anyway)…so no, WvsW can’t be considered PvP at all.

sPvP and tPvP are the only 2 options right now, so stop posting WvsW stuff in sPvP topics, because it’s totally different….from gears and skills to overall balance.

Hufflepuffer.4201:

What class do I see the least? That depends

WvW? Thieves, cause they’re perma invisible

WvsW is not pvp man. It’s just a semi intelligent mob pve, infact it falls under pve skills

Mainly because games requiring no skills attract more casual players. Simple

I personally don’t like those buffs appearing around the map forcing people to rush to the same spot asap to get them…but it’s a good map overall, very nice looking too

Brutalistik.6473:

Some people just can’t appreciate the small things even when it’s given free to them. They rather complain and try to find a solution why it should change etc etc >_>….

Not complaining man…for sure i think this monthly achievement it’s far too easy…but i’m not saying to just make it harder, make it harder…with more rewards, atm it’s really fast and really poor, maybe a longer and more rewarding goal would be better imo

Kita.7819:

We talk about zerging like its a bad thing, but what happens when at 8 person zerg hits an 8 person zerg? Its no longer a zerg. Its a skirmish. You can’t win by numbers anymore, you need to win with strategy. Take out the thieves, stun the guardians, dodge the elementalists, make sure your shouts hit those who need it, so on so forth.

You would find 8 bunker guardians teams vs 8 bunker guardians teams fighting forever because noone would need mobility anymore and noone wants to die aswell…and guardian is the strongest in 1vs1 and just try to figure out 8 guardians healing and buffing each other while dealing also a decent dmg due to might, burning, retaliation and only god knows what else stacking up endlessly..noone would stand a chance facing something like that, the only viable way would be running the same thing and spamming everything until one team wins…sadly this is not gw1’s pvp

Actually conquest is the only thing preventing more noobs from zerging all day farming points just mindlessly killing each other around…they’re already doing it, can you imagine without point capping?

My guild is pve based, but if you look around and start playing with other people you will soon end up with whisp from premades looking for someone for the last spot…actually despite my pve guild i have around 3 or 4 pvp guilds calling me when going in tpvp… i also made another guild (Not representing it) that is only a list of players from r25 to 45+…most of them from other pve guilds, so when someone in this guild makes a team and is looking for someone else there’s a list of thrusted players to find who are you looking for (And you know that all of those are at last r25)…much better than starting 4+1 pug

Sigil of water is just crap, end of the story my friend.

Mesmer’s phantasms following you forever and everykittenwhere?

Did it in less than 1 hour…monthly? I mean…..are you serious? 1 hour for a monthly achievement? It would be too easy even for a daily….

Anyway i have to say that i used to run S/D and after this update i can still run it, and i personally think that despite daze nerf and stuff it’s still way better that those stupid HS or BS specs all around… Sure i had to work on something after patch but right now it rules as usual, and for sure i can laugh at BS HS anyday, but yeah if you need something to kill nabs without putting effort into learning how to play a thief those burst are the way to go…until you find someone with a brain who negates your poor and predictable combo (Well HS isn’t a combo at all, just 22222..22) and facerolls you pretty easily

and….that scorpion wire with 1200 range is awesome xD

Wasabi Kitty.8247:

I don’t know why one of the achievements is to kill one of each profession. It’s pretty much impossible when PvP consists of nothing but thieves, warriors, and mesmers.

LOL? I completed it in less than one hour while playing as usual…you just have to win like 3 tournaments and if you need to kill something else just play some hot join and you’re done, it’s just ridiculously easy and fast for a monthly achievement imo

Zawaka.5170:

They balance around the professionals. Why? Because the professionals take the classes to there limit.

If they really prioritize high ranked players nabs would die as soon as they get outside bases and noone would go around (Zerging) with sh… like BS, HB, Haste HS and so on (Because those are some really crap specs and everyone with some exp can easily avoid them and strike back)…so…no…i don’t think they prioritize someone on others, you can only feel the difference between a r10 and a r30 40+ ….but it’s not a class or nerf/buff issue…

If THIS looks umbalanced to you just try a run in gw1 HA with a team that never went in…see what happens, probably you won’t pass the first zaish fight vs ai mobs, you’ll get pwned even before facing real players…and gw1 is a pvp balanced game…

I have to say…i usually destroyed everything (But bunker specs) with S/D (Not that BS or HS spam crap) and now despite DD C&D and dazelock nerf…i still destroy a lot of people like before…maybe it’s me but i didn’t feel this update much…expec in tpvp

Hard life vs good players…carnage vs noobs…as usual and as it has to be….the more you learn to play your class and how other classes work the less you die. Simple

Everything looks op if you don’t know how to counter it

Aga.8641:

Kirrund.2654:

Every class can do this.

If you have an instant cast teleport ability of any kind, you can use it in the middle of any other channeled ability or cast.

Yes….but other classes can’t do 15k damage in 1-2seconds, nor can they tp directly to a target while channeling other skills and also dealing considerable damage with the no animation leap.

Ever heard about HB or mind wrack?

Aga.8641:

Thieves can still Steal while casting other abilities, which was a bigger issue (imo).

Just to let you know…everyone can do this, from guardians with judge’s intervention on banish (For example) to eles…everyone with an istant teleport, not just only QQ thieves

oh god, not again…already have fastweb lag…..

Anshard.3489:

2 people huh?

“Hey Bob, I got my fixes in, are you done?”

“Ya”

“Alright, let’s begin testing. I’ll hop on my thief and you try to kill me with whatever other class you’d like. … Now, now, when you’re the senior developer, you can test the thief.”

Anyway…actually anet people use warriors not thieves

People we won…still waiting for /rank in pve also

A little victory people…still waiting for it in pve or wvsw also..

Floryn.6307:

Thieves are doing same things that they did pre-patch, INSTA killing players. Personally I am not affected by their burst that much (guardian) but I’m tired to rez the entire team. IMO this will never change because as in Mesmer case there are core flaws.

I’m also all for nerfing the PvP bunker guardian builds, it’s just annoying to fight them, and also skilless to use such build., and yes I’m a guardian, saying this.

You mean INSTA kill noobs? Yes, but this would still happen no matter what they nerf…they didn’t nerf BS because, as i always said…BS it’s a really laughable burst to avoid…instead they nerfed dazelock, so they nerfed my actual build…time to find something even better

I will continue playing tpvp and leave paid ones to crazy asian people farming for gems…because that’s what it will become in a couple of months

Meditation on Tranquility o.O daf?

/rank <3

Go Metin2 guys…and duel all day long xD

Zunhar.4079:

GankSinatra.2653:

Larynx.2453:

Don’t be a glass cannon, and then complain about dying to another glass cannon. What part of “glass” do people not understand? Get an ounce of toughness on and suddenly your pecs can reflect bullets.

Ok i dont get this. The thieves calling other glass cannons idiots for going glass cannon are always glass cannons themselves. Do you guys have the monopoly on being glass cannon? When you come up to an ele glass cannon, he deserves to lose horribly? Because you are both glass cannons and thus the thief deserves to win? Where does this kitten come from.
Theres a couple classes that are leagues above all other glass cannons yet they keep acting like this is how its supposed to be. Necros and Guardians, ok fine maybe they arent meant to be glass cannons. But 90% of the others are eaten by you and frustrated about the tools that Thiefs are given, and all you guys say is ‘just be a thief we are supposed to be best glass cannons’. Well guess what’s happening in pvp where people arent forced into bunker specs.

I wouldn’t say Thieves have the monopoly on going GC, but they are the best at it (due to how Initative and other things work). Elementalists make awesome bunkers and okay GC. Thieves make awesome GC and okay bunkers. See how it works?

Every class can play a role, guardians bunkers and support, eles bunkers, support and some dmg, eng again bunkers and support, thieves can’t play good bunkers…they can only go for pressure (bleed, daze etc) or spike (BS)…sure that if someone wants to play a single target spike spec on a class not designed for it, and he dies vs someone who has everything made for it…it’s just normal

Larynx.2453:

EoNxBoNx.9213:

Any build with a stun break and a player with enough common sense to dodge roll heart seekers.

Now fight a thief that doesn’t rely on a 1.5 second stun and heartseeker to win a 1v1 encounter.

Want to know a fun fact? Good thieves rarely ever even use heartseeker.

HS is plain crap…. S/D – SBow anyday

Wolfheart.1938:

I just made this pretty interesting screenshot I wanted to share with you guys.

Please Arenanet, do something about this. It’s been two months, first it was thieves now it’s mesmers. I’m not gonna argue balance because honestly I don’t know much about the class, but I just want to point out that it’s matches like that scare casual or less-dedicated pvp players away. Really hope the Lost Shores update will finally make me enjoy playing SPvP again.

LOL clones and phantasms everyfkinwhere o.o

I really can’t get how anet can’t track those people, i mean if I have….let’s say 100% speed and i’m going at 125% no problem (Dunno how high can you go due to buffs and skills), but if the server gets somenone running at 500% speed it’s clearly impossible so just autoban and bb….not reporting, waiting for someone to look after him and stuff…you are doing something that obviously you can’t? PermaBan…oneshot and cya next account…simple and effective

milo.6942:

The game is designed to have high risk/high reward builds available. GW1 was also like this. Millisecond reaction times were required, particularly of monks. This is not your typical mmo pvp combat. It’s true quickness like we have now did not exist in gw1, however its playstyle did exist, not only at the team level but also at individual.

Just to give an example there were warriors or assassins with hammer and daggers that would perform their attack chains and literally give you no time to react or attack back (because you were permanently on the ground). If you found this in random arenas, you were simply unable to do anything until a teammate got on them to help you, or you were intelligent and slotted a defensive skill to break their chain. Again, here in gw2, the same mentality is going into game design: if none of your skills can break you out of those situations, you just need to accept the fact that you will lose to them. (aka bring stunbreak)

When i say that as a gw1 infuser facing good spikes you must have better reflexes than what you need to negate every possible burst on gw2 people simply say that gw1 is another game or that noone can react in 1 second and stuff like that….sadly gw2 requires far less skills than 1…and people are adapting to it

just saying…it usually sux being an healer while everyone is having fun around….and i was prot monk in gw1…

Killthehealersffs.8940:

Archaon.6245:

Pretty much everything (If you know how to play it) not running a glass cannon build.

But i love to run a glass cannon
U cant inprove much , with a bunker spec
And if i cant kill the Thief in 2 sec too , then something is wrong

I’m not saying bunker, people usually don’t understand that you can play not only bunker/glass cannons…but that there are lots of good balanced builds out there too

Arheundel.6451:

…I’m a tPvPer, an ele at 100% and I’ve got simply one thing to say : “stop whining and l2p”

I’ve seen countless videos of people getting owned by thieves and in every instance all I see are clueless players which simply try to stay there and tank dmg, many people got no concept of active dodging at all.

My best defense tactic is: DODGE, with that I can live way longer than people who rely on “Lol mist form” and similar skills.

When a battle start, you may want to check the amount of thieves present in the enemy team, their style and how long you spend trying to kill somebody including the resources used

….if you see a fight is taking too long, realize that a thief is on his way to backstab you, so have your defenses ready

…..dmg is increased while the thief is behind you, so if he goes stealth where do you think he’ll try to go?…exactly

…stop fighting inside caltrips..pls just stop it

…just go and have fun, if you get killed, chances are you’ve been outclassed.

…if you get constantly killed by the same tactic over and over again, well that’s your problem stop complaining.

umad bro? Don’t talk about personal skill or tactic here….it’s a QQ topic, brace youself…you’re going to be flamed soon

Merciless.5349:

I always love it when threads defending Thieves don’t get deleted, like we need them. Lol.

No, Thieves are OP, and the only ones defending Thieves are Thief players.

And good players running everything but full glass cannon specs…so hard to find…i think i can defend glass cannon thieves because they bring me so many free points, on this point i don’t want to lose them….but to get rid of nabs QQs i guess i’ll finally vote for nerf…it won’t affect me and i’m actually much more deadly than burst thieves, so no problems at all

Pretty much everything (If you know how to play it) not running a glass cannon build.

If you get killed in pvp in 2 secs by a glass cannon thief with full hp and everything not on CD (Considering this way only a fair and true 1vs1) there are 3 options:

1 – You are bad
2 – Your build is bad
3 – That thief is much much much more better than you…but you have also to consider options 1 and 2

Notice that options are cumulable for faster and more painful spikes. Anyway i hope they nerf BS and stuff…so people can’t complain about my dazelock/cond saying it’s a BS build with S/D (You switched weapons!!! I saw you!!!!! Yes now i’m actually playing with S/D, SBow AND D/D…rofl)…sure…or some others who also said i was PW (And…where is the pistol? Probably even more stupid than those who saw my 3 weapon sets/ 2 builds switchable gear)…..just to point out the average complainer’s level of experience..

WTFast definately works, get a 30 days free trial and go with it…hope those unuseful fastweb ppl can fix their problems during that time, if not…well….time to change isp, i don’t care bout rain, floods or whatever because at the end of the month i’ll have to pay 30 euros for a non working connection. On my hand they have 30 days from now….time is running..and sh.. in going up to the fan.

WTFast seems to work, actually you have a free trial…hope it lasts enough

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Contact fastweb…lol…call center’s and assistance people don’t actually know what isp means…. LOL!

Ocelot.3148:

“WTFast” is not a solution.
As any trial or pay-method third-part software is not the real solution.
I won’t pay sht to play the game and even use a trial-weekly program to fix this.
Hope you understand me if I pretend Anet or Italy ISP both do their job to keep their customers happy with game and let them play.

Yes, this could be a momentarly-solution but is just …meh..u know.

I give it a try, maybe we can still play while they’re fixing it….hope so..