Guild Wars 2

Vieux P.1238:

Archaon.9524:

jportell.2197:

Blair.3796:

jportell.2197:

Man what is with all these people suddenly thinking mesmer is easy mode… I just had a power necro, a condi engi, an S/D Thief and, a D/D ele tell me mesmer was easymode, autowin OP….

I
can’t
even.

Don’t look for logic or reasonable arguments from the “gud” players.

Need to add to the list Pistol/ Shield Engi and a Condi s/d+SB ranger… All called shatter mesmer cheesy easy mode.

How about d/p thief getting killed by shatter mesmer and whispering “Mesmer op”?

That must be one Idiot thief that cant spam 1 & 2 button cuz thats all it takes to kill a mesmer.

If you have panic strike you can just autoattack him after dodging his shatter combo…he’s gonna die anyway before shatter out of cd

But they nerfed celestial specs…can’t you see noone is running cele eles and engis anymore?

/sarcasm

Random Weird Guy.3528:

robertul.3679:

If they gonna add leaderboards for pve mobs based on how many players they kill then there would be no actual players in top 100.
Well, congrats for winning against rank farmers! Quite a feat! I guess I should have recorded my solo vs 5 premade win! More useless thread incoming!

You miss the point of this thread. This thread serves more as satire than anything else (I thought this was obvious from the music and the 3x speed where you can’t analyse anything I’m doing).

Point #1: People need to stop moaning about turret engis, any average player can deal with them easily.

Point #2: The leaderboard makes no sense at all.

1- Not true…despite being counterable, turret engi is so braindead it should not exist…way too much rewarding for just afking on points. If you afk like that with any other spec (Including meta ones) you just die…ofc meta specs are way stronger in proper hands but turrets is the only one that makes those who can’t totally play still able to do something…thing that should not happen anyway. Not in a wannabe esport game at least

2- And yes ladder is just about pve guys farming and losing all day…getting rewards while sucking, lol at #1 40% win ratio (Pretty much same thing that happens with turret engis…still getting some cookies while putting no effort at all) If you look at it it’s just the same…

Rezzet.3614:

top of leaderboards with a 40% win ratio, wat

pve ladder op

blakkrskyrr.7413:

can you guys please fix the issue where ranger skills continue tracking thieves after going into stealth? it works against all the other classes but rangers.

ALL channeled skills if you stealth while already channeling are gonna hit you in stealth…had been like this since…forever…

Looks like some people realized this after more than 2 years…

jportell.2197:

Blair.3796:

jportell.2197:

Man what is with all these people suddenly thinking mesmer is easy mode… I just had a power necro, a condi engi, an S/D Thief and, a D/D ele tell me mesmer was easymode, autowin OP….

I
can’t
even.

Don’t look for logic or reasonable arguments from the “gud” players.

Need to add to the list Pistol/ Shield Engi and a Condi s/d+SB ranger… All called shatter mesmer cheesy easy mode.

How about d/p thief getting killed by shatter mesmer and whispering “Mesmer op”?

24. Try to go (At least) 3v1 vs bunkers on their point and stay there failing forever so you can be sure your teamates are playing 2v4 everywhere else…they gonna be really happy bout that.

25. If someone tells you to stop going for boss and to hold points instead of zerging around like wvsw chickens leaving everything freecap always show you legendary, your wvsw achievements or bring up the team’s scoreboard to prove you’re the best in town.

25+1: If legendary weapons, zergs vs doors titles and score are not enough you can also whisper him later with something like “Boss is 25 points you nooob!!1!”

And this happened…for real…not even joking, but i almost gave up even on insulting people, someone is so stupid that any flame wouldn’t be enough anyway..3 starting on boss (Or capping points with 2-3 ppl, or leaving points freecap with 3 ppl chasing a s/d thief around map and so on..) = istant afk…that really saves nerves from overloads

Kuroko.6239:

So everyone says Rangers the easiest class, I have a 80 mesmer and it is so easy to play in PvP and WvW… In PvP all you have to do is press 123 and the clones will do everything if you’re using an illusion greatsword build.. hunter has a lot more mobility / kiting you need to do, so whys everyone say mesmers hard when I’m getting top scores easily?

You opened with “I have a 80 mesmer…” so no…i’m not even gonna try, i’ll just let youtube talk for me

Shiyo.3578:

Pixels.6532:

Why do people enjoy playing something so skill-less?

Can’t win as a class/spec that actually requires skill.

this…pve heroes feel so gud letting ai playing for them, ofc they suck even on turret engi, problem is dat without turrets they would suck even more, quit and stop buying gems

there’s some sort of logic behind this after all

Random Weird Guy.3528:

For the attention of anyone whining about turret engis being OP:

Beat a team with 2 turret engis, team was either full premade or 3+2. One of the turret engis is #1 on EU leaderboard.
Whole thing is sped up 3x, but if you’re still too lazy, there’s a moment at 2:26- when we essentially win the 2v2 with our mesmer + ele vs their turret engi + thief until the guardian appears. Even then, we are both able to simply disengage and leave the turrets in the dust.

This also shows how unjustified it is to have this guy at #1 on the EU leaderboards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7VE3SHuN64

49% win ratio #1 fml lol

btw we just met same guy with team (Double turret engi..top ladder ofc rofl)…sadly for them we were full premade too..and kinda out of mercy

500-40 (Just because we wiped them on mid first before pushing far)

but this doesn’t mean turret engi is not cancer…cause those playing it would suck even more without ai…

glock.6590:

Rule #10. Rush to svanir at the start of the game and make sure that he kills you.

Rule #10 Side Note: If you are a mesmer in order to be sure to get killed by svanir and fail miserably try to moa it before engaging

i want to shoot random things from hammer too on war….1200 range projectile aoe kd earthshaker would be fine (I don’t like to move when i use it…i just want to stand still and hit ppl with hammer from safe distance, because you know…you may have to l2dodge if you melee too much)…you can make rifle full melee if you want…rifle sucks anyway

thank you

#balanceop

Gabriell.4856:

Supreme.3164:

I am asking, pleading, begging you Devs to stand your ground once more.
Do not give in! Let us not reduce further the build diversity in this game; let us send a clear, definitive message to the Vocal minority, the message being : Learn To Play.

They need to learn how to adapt to the ever changing environment, they need to learn how to change: tactics, playstyle and even profession if necessary.

Less nerfing and more buffing pls, many builds make the game fun as people can try and play different things, few builds make the game boring and stagnant.

Let us all remember that : creativity, adaptability, humbleness are what divide the good from the bad.

Cheers

Competitive Pvp is kitten so they might as well keep it to retain the pvers.

Pretty much..turret engi makes pve guys feel like they are sort of decent, and they love it (Ofc at the end of the day ai got the job done for them but shhh, don’t tell them…or the magic would disappear) Just “Wow nice turret engi such skillz..best engi eu” at the end of the match is fine, they probably gonna believe it and buy more gems right after.

Working as intended…after all…

Lordrosicky.5813:

Nice troll post, 10/10

Or maybe this guy just mains turret engi….

Oh wait…this would be even worse ._.

Diage.6451:

This energy bar is a new resource that the revenant relies on in order to use skills. Some skills will have a low energy cost, allowing you to use them more often, while others have a large cost with a very large payoff.

…Only Anet would introduce a well known resource and act like its something new…

somehow reminds me of apple…

mbh.8301:

It won’t get stickied because the tone is dripping with vitriol.

try getting into my games and go svanir on start

then you will see what vitriol dripping tone really is

Problem is not pve heroes being totally bad…problem is pve heroes being totally bad thinking they are good and doing nothing in order to get sort of decent. “I make my team lose because i’m terribad but instead of trying to get better i blame toxic community for telling me the truth” Seems legit

Flash news: in many other competitive games you can be reported for being noob and ruining other people’s matches…just saying, you should actually thank you just get some insults here

They should actually make people watch this guide before entering pvp for the first times…like a non-skippable cinematic

kdaddy.5431:

Ok i usually not to try and bring up this topic cause we have all said something about. Im curious when anet is gonna change it. Let me share what happened.

Yesterday me and 1 guild friend joined these 2 other rangers for a pvp match. Both rangers claimed to be in the top 200 on the leaderboard. They were both LB/GS rangers. So we qued together and faced a team with almsot a identical set. We had 2 warriors, 2 rangers and a thief. They had the same thing except 1 warrior 1 guaridan.

We then go on to lose 500-5. The five coming from my 1 kill, i got the kill far later in the match being i ran mid and the 2 rangers on my team also ran in the circle to cap and they dropped almost instantly. At one point one of them claimed they were hacking. I replied how, he said there thief killed me in 1 sec. I asked are you all dps. He replied with a yes and said this game mechanics are so messed up.

Let me end with that i dont like the idea of solo que. Let me also state i dont think there should be a requirement to play ranked games. There does need to be a change though. If what these 2 green rangers said was true about them being in the top 200 on the leader board and the fact they crumbled when playing higher tier players. I actually played 2 unranked games and the players in there were better then the guys i lost too 500-5. Im not sure how you change the queing situation but your having better players play unranked.

I have no idea what your overall plan is but atm this is getting really bad. Im not sure where to que to play the best players. I come on here seeing the topics of premades vs pugs and blah blah blah. Obviously we should care about these guys voices but when im with my guild we run into the crappiest premades. To the point were 2 of them actually feel bad. Im almost certain the guys we should of been fighting were in unranked. After playing 2 matches with the so called leader board elite im also curious when/ if a change to it is coming to the structure of the leaderboard?

Thank you

stay away from anyone briging up this farm ladder as proof of skill….just the fact they’re looking at ladder is way more than enough to safely assume they suck

what scares me the most is the fact that they can’t even balance old classes…let alone a totally new one

average turret engi’s player probably trained like 2 months for being able to do that

kinda gg after all

not even joking

Lifestealer.4910:

I really scratch my head and wonder why Anet makes build that are centered around AI. In many games, competitive ones especially, AI are used as a supplement for a build or an extension as some call it. A build or class or whatever it is should not be centered around AI, it is bad design since it ultimately removes player interaction which is detrimental in pvp environment. If anyone plays league of legends and remember the yorick incident then you will know what I mean.

If Anets goal is to make a competitive scene then turret engineer needs to be gutted even if it isn’t top tier. This build is a perfect example of how not to balance in pvp. If however Anets goal is to allow anybody to come into pvp and have a blast owning people while watching tv then by all means leave the build alone. The second option is actually what Anet is doing and is the truth, if any random can come into pvp and have a build like this make them feel like a good player, they will stick around as a customer and even buy gems.

because they can make pve heroes feel like pros for cheap with this…it’s no secret

working as intended

rotten.9753:

Archaon.9524:

yeah definately math iway sucked so much…they were laughed at all day…

lel

What phd is trying to say is that turret engi makes total nabs able to stand against way better players while they would be a 10 secs freekills without turrets carrying them.
If you put ANY main turret engi (Sorry but the idea of someone actually MAINING turret engi it’s just a joke on itself) on anything else, from necro to thief…to mesmer, war or even on celestial rifle they are probably just gonna be rallybots…it just allows bad players with no skill to be able to do something even if they have literally no clue…

someone with 0 skill shouldn’t have a way to compete on levels he doesn’t belong to…turrets just allow bads to do that and there is no other spec that can carry noobs like turret engi, not even close to it. Ofc i know many of you (Expec forum’s pve heroes) love turrets because you can still do something even if you totally suck…and it makes you fell like you have some sort of skill while ai is actually playing for you, but if you want to get some consideration on this topic you should probably go play something else at a good level before trying to reply….if you only play turret noone is gonna take you seriously

Maybe those pve heroes are simply better than you and you were outplayed by them.

nah if they have a turret engi i usually just go mace\sword carrion and gank the kitten out of him, i like looking at turreterds full of bleeds (Dodging pindown op) torment and confusion dieing even after crate (Because you know, they all crate in 1v1 ofc)….you probably couldn’t read what i just wrote…i’m gonna explain it better:

You can kill turret engis np (When PROPERLY PLAYED there are specs way harder to kill 1v1 than turret..like cele staff or shoutbow for example)…but it takes way too much effort (If you are not running hardcounter) than it should, considering they’re basically doin nothing outside running in circles…for the skill it takes you should be able to kill them with autoattack only instead of having to play quite seriously…

Supreme.3164:

Belze Intilie.8436:

Stop defending this build as bad. It´s annoying as kitten. And if you play vs. 3 Engis, two of them Turrets…well kitten. Decent players with little more brain then a monkey can make this build work well in mid-tier or top-tier.
But all i read is l2p…kitten it. If you have two Turrets bunker side-nodes and cant 1v1 with your team-comp you are kittened….sign. The 3 enemy-players can roam between them and they are fine. But we all just l2p….yeah sure. I dont get it. xD

There is no need to defend this build, it’s very easy to counter. A build with no stunbreakers, huge condi removal or huge self sustain; just outrotate them, snipe them, aoe them and clear the point.

It takes far less effort to kill a turret engy than a shoutbow warrior as played by the OP, a build which I think does not require world level personal skill to work.

Before turret engy, the OP was complaining about cele ele and before that he was complaining about something else.

A team with turret engies , can be compared to an IWAY team in GW1..at that time people on the GW1 forum would have laughed at you for complaining about IWAY, well guess different times…..different forum…different community

yeah definately math iway sucked so much…they were laughed at all day…

lel

What phd is trying to say is that turret engi makes total nabs able to stand against way better players while they would be a 10 secs freekills without turrets carrying them.
If you put ANY main turret engi (Sorry but the idea of someone actually MAINING turret engi it’s just a joke on itself) on anything else, from necro to thief…to mesmer, war or even on celestial rifle they are probably just gonna be rallybots…it just allows bad players with no skill to be able to do something even if they have literally no clue…

someone with 0 skill shouldn’t have a way to compete on levels he doesn’t belong to…turrets just allow bads to do that and there is no other spec that can carry noobs like turret engi, not even close to it. Ofc i know many of you (Expec forum’s pve heroes, nowhere to be seen on pre 16 dec tpvp ladder) love turrets because you can still do something even if you totally suck…and it makes you fell like you have some sort of skill while ai is actually playing for you, but if you want to get some consideration on this topic you should probably go play something else at a good level before trying to reply….if you only play turret noone is gonna take you seriously

On the other hand if you ask ANY good player who tried turret engi (Even if they never used engi before) they all agree it’s just way too powerful for being a totally brainless spec…

Being bad and running something that makes you feel able to play the game is one thing…claiming it’s fine just because you don’t want to get your ai spec getting nerfed (Eventually having to move on something else and l2p) is a totally different story…

Mrbig.8019:

Turret engi can be played at decent level with zero skill ivolved and it’s THE ONLY build able to do so.

This

Btw i can farm turret guys all day long with carrion condition war, but still it takes way more effort than it should vs someone who has totally no clue, if i get anyone else (Including celestial rifle engi, celestial d/d ele or another hambow/shout/whatever war) who has 0 skill he’s gonna die in no time….while any total nab turret engi usually manages to last way too much due to random passive procs, ai spam, crate and so on…even if he can’t dodge a single pin down

I would like to link helseth video on turret engi vs denshee but i can’t find it anymore…gonna ask him, so you will get an idea of what i’m talking about

Justin ODell.9517:

I just checked the numbers for unranked arena.

Skyhammer has 7.5% of the votes, and is the map used in 7.2% of games.

I know quite a few people that enjoy the map, so I wouldn’t just assume only trolls vote for it.

yeah when other maps are courtyard and spirit watch someone is probably gonna vote for skyhammer too

rofl

Saiyan.1704:

Elitist.8701:

OzarcTheDefialer.5346:

top players are overrated… i dueled this nosco necro kid like 20 times, and won almost every single one…. (had to let him win every 5, so he would get discouraged)…. but yea, dont waste ur time with top players… Phanta and nos and wakkey are all easy kills.. if u wnna get better just fight vs urself on another computrr

Yeah especially that “Backpack” guy, what an easy kill. He runs around saying he’s the best engi, but then gets 100-0ed by power rangers. Oh well, maybe one day he will improve.

;)

Yea… There’s no such thing as #1 engi, #1 ele, etc etc. You can brag about being #1 team, not #1 player. Because these “top players” can always be beaten, or simply countered, by any joe blow player. Being good at your position, on your team, doesn’t make you the best player in the game.

It bothers me when people have something like #1 titles in their signature. There’s no measurement for individual skill level to show case that.

Being top is not only about 1v1…is about being able to properly rotate, map awarness and so on…1v1 is probably like 50%…sizer is not the #1 thief because he’s unbeatable in thief vs thief (He’s really strong but he can eventually lose 1v1 sometimes) he’s #1 because there’s no other thief able to always be in the right position doing the right thing at the right time like him. You can win every 1v1 but if you move like crap and you have no awarness about what is going on you’re gonna fail anyway…and you’re gonna make your team fail with you too, in team i’d rather have someone who is less strong in 1v1 but rotating really good than a 1v1 hero with no clue…anyday, hands down

PierPiero.9142:

I am not so sure …. celestial has less armour than rabid and in any case you are not a bunker …. celestial rifle has much more direct damage and much more control … but you loose pistol 3 that for me is really really strong … you have less access to confusion and blind … i prefer pistol pistol or pistol shield sometime but probably it is a metter of tastes

well i have to say that celestial rifle is not that bad at bunkering points for some time if needed…but on rabid you probably can’t, it’s also a matter of enemy team’s comp anyway. Vs heavy condi pressure rabid is worse cause you have less healing and low hp (Tough is not gonna help you either)…vs teams running thief+mesmer is probably gonna be better than cele (Not so sure tho but “on paper” it should be, talking about tf ofc…with usual ele sustaining you) cause you have more toughness and the higher pressure is gonna rek the mesmer (And maybe thief too expec if he’s d/p) way faster than cele…plus you don’t rely on might as much as celestial for dmg, so mesmer constantly stripping boons with shattered concentration is probably gonna be a bit less annoying

PierPiero.9142:

In my opinion rabid 2kit condi builds are still better than celestial rifle based builds, especially for soloing without a team. Obviously it is a personal taste so don’t kill me

Better for pressure but they don’t have the insane sustain celestial rifle has…i would say that rabid is better at roaming cause it will probably solve tf faster, but if you need to be “the guy on point” celestial is way better hands down

hihey.1075:

Archaon.9524:

Well on the other side i know NO people with less than 1000 ranked match able to properly discuss about game balance and flash news: in low level pvp turret engi is more meta than those so called meta builds cause everyone can play it due to the noskill needed in order to be effective with that.

Anyway turret engi is not a problem for me since i’m running a war spec that counters both cele engis and d/d eles atm and usually play with at least 2 or 3 ppl (There’s always someone to que with np)…if i see a turret engi i usually go straight for it and gank the crap out of the braindead guy (If you wanna try we can 1v1 on point), as i said problem is that turret engi is too rewarding for the 0 skill level needed ti play it, it’s even way more reterded than celestial rifle that still takes an “insane” amount of skill compared to turrets…sure celestial engis are also way more powerful in tpvp but those guys running turrets are just unable to play it…that’s why you will never see a top engi playing turrets…point is: If you know how to play celestial engi is far better…but for noskilled nabs that can’t play a proper build turrets are the way to go…and as a noskill spec it’s way too much rewarding, if you try playing shatter mesmer, thief, d/d ele or pretty much anything else just afking waiting for ai to get the job done liek you do on turret you’re gonna be a rallybot all day long. You can try by yourself anyway…go celestial rifle…if you’re decent you will be way way stronger than on turret…if you suck then it just proves that all your “skill” comes from ai and not from you. Simple as that.

Celestial rifle is actually way more difficult to play properly, because your bunkering capabilities are close to 0 – you need to be waaay better in terms of decision making to make it worth playing it. A Turret Engi can just decide on which point to stay, and go there for the whole match and if he is lucky enough to have an enemy player who likes to engage a 1v1 with him with a build not capable of doing so (and there are a lot of builds not suited to fight a turret engi) he will basically be able to win the match easily by himself, without literally doing anything.
I’ve played Celestial rifle for a while, and again, while not being hard to play mechanically (still harder than warrior though), it is kinda hard to play it in a way that will benefit your team. Necros, DD Eles, Warriors, mesmers, rangers… You can’t rely on crate for every 1v1 you engage on point!

exactly what i’m saying…ppl who play turret engi it’s just because they are unbale to play celestial rifle, a good engi will always pick celestial rifle cause when played properly it’s way more powerful…but all those turret guys just can’t play it. The statement “There are NO good turret engis” comes from this…good engis just don’t play turret, if you have enough skill you will always pick celestial rifle over turret anyday

Tao.5096:

Archaon.9524:

I answered your question
Now it’s my turn: How many ranked pvp games do you have? Also counting old tpvp and soloq matches ofc

~700

Because you know…it’s always better to autenticate opinions with facts..i know vahn (Mrbig…the guy who opened this thread) and he definately has pvp experience…what about you?

I know people who have over 5 000 matches behind them since release and they still lack basic knowledge about professions, their skills and custom builds and possibilities.
I find it fantastic when those proclaimed experienced and knowledgeable players roll around only “meta world” which in fact is nothing beyond being a popular build which is used by majority, because it’s given right there to lazy people and work one way or another.

Let’s see who is the real lemming here

You’re incapable of making a simple list of pros and cons of such build. You simply repeat after some buthurt guy who shouted that this build is overpowered and needs to be nerfed. Obviously, the more people follow it the merrier, no? In fact there are even those who shared their bitter experience that they died to thumper and rocket turret alone while engineer was absent.
So yes. You’re sadly a lemming that follows some rage hype for that build meanwhile like any of those kids refuse to talk about that build weaknesses.
And that’s why I asked you to list pros and cons of that build, because I wanted to see if you can neutrally look at that build, and if I should take you seriously.
Condition pressure can be spared since it’s the basic weakness for every single clkitten for necromancer.
Reason why none of those “Turret OP, NERF” doesn’t want to talk about weaknesses behind that build is simply because they don’t know.
Why they don’t know?
Because they’re simple noobs, who got owned and all they can do is rage on forums with waterfall of tears which makes them unable to see anything else beyond pluses of that build.

Well on the other side i know NO people with less than 1000 ranked match able to properly discuss about game balance and flash news: in low level pvp turret engi is more meta than those so called meta builds cause everyone can play it due to the noskill needed in order to be effective with that.

Anyway turret engi is not a problem for me since atm i’m testing a war spec that counters both cele engis and d/d eles and usually play with at least 2 or 3 ppl (There’s always someone to que with np)…if i see a turret engi i usually go straight for it and gank the crap out of the braindead guy (If you wanna try we can 1v1 on point), as i said problem is that turret engi is too rewarding for the 0 skill level needed ti play it, it’s even way more reterded than celestial rifle that still takes an “insane” amount of skill compared to turrets…sure meta celestial rifle engis are also way more powerful in tpvp but those guys running turrets are just unable to play it…that’s why you will never see a top engi playing turrets…point is: If you know how to play celestial engi is far better…but for noskilled nabs that can’t play a proper build turrets are the way to go…and as a noskill spec it’s way too much rewarding, if you try playing shatter mesmer, thief, d/d ele or pretty much anything else just afking waiting for ai to get the job done liek you do on turret you’re gonna be a rallybot all day long. You can try by yourself anyway…go celestial rifle (I would say shatter mesmer but that would be a bit too much sadic since you’re just gonna end up permadead)…if you’re decent you will be way way stronger than on turret…if you suck then it just proves that all your “skill” comes from ai and not from you. Simple as that.

Btw thanks for the good laugh looking at someone maining (And defending) turret engi calling others “noobs” …made my day xD

there are even PREMADE teams with double power nec n kitten going for courtyard…

the tryhard is real…

it’s just for esl matches i suppose xD

coglin.1867:

Archaon.9524:

coglin.1867:

Archaon.9524:

coglin.1867:

Mrbig.8019:

ye we all know they suck in organized team q, point is there’s no organized team q.

They’re lame and not fun, they’re also too effective for the % of brain needed to use them.

Okplsthx

Your main problem is that you appear to have difficulty comprehending the difference between objective fact and subjective opinion. Nothing is definitively bad simply because you say it is.

Why would you nerf turrets, when they are not over powered? We nerf skills and utilities because some random player “doesn’t feel they are fun” now?

So no nerf needed because some other even more random player saying it’s ok….looks legit

Ah, the old, I have no evidence or support for my argument, so I will accuse you of making statements you didn’t say trick. You must be a hit at parties……………Please quote the section in which I stated “it’s okay” or “no nerf needed”. I am fairly certain I made no actual opinion about turrets at all. I do appreciate you supporting my argument, by replying as you did though, thank you.

looks like you missed the whole part of turret engi being op just for the mere reason it’s way too rewarding for the effort it takes…0 skill specs should be 0 effective, and turret engi is far from being so bad

Your main problem is that you appear to have difficulty comprehending the difference between objective fact and subjective opinion. Nothing is definitively bad simply because you say it is. You should learn to discuss your opinion as exactly that, when you falsely state it as fact, you detract from your own argument.

go ask any top player (Not those farming losses for ladder ofc…i mean players from top teams) about how braindead and too much effective turret engi is considering skill level it takes, whatever if it’s couterable or not….i can do it myself but it won’t be fair. paste answers here…thank you

dancingmonkey.4902:

That hole in your claim there Archaon, is that they are about as effective as the skill requires. If you have the least bit of difficulty against turrets yourself, then that is because you lack more skill then any turret engineer.

By the way, do you have a video of you defeating skilled players with a turret engineer? If not, I would gladly make one of me player against you, as you play a turret engineer and show us how well it works for you. Otherwise, all your doing is complaining in the form of unsupported claims. All I am seeing is posters crying about a weak build, yet offering no actual evidence to support what they are crying about.

some ppl apparently can’t read…whatever, still waiting for some RELEVANT opinions anyway…is there someone with some pvp experience ouside the usual crowd of pve heroes who wants to defend turret engis? Then we can talk maybe…since i bet most of those guys posting don’t even know what “rotate” means.

those forums really lack some sort of filter, well i guess knight, when he told told me “Why you still bother bout forums? It’s just pve ppl there”, was right after all…but i’m still trying for some reason

coglin.1867:

Archaon.9524:

coglin.1867:

Mrbig.8019:

ye we all know they suck in organized team q, point is there’s no organized team q.

They’re lame and not fun, they’re also too effective for the % of brain needed to use them.

Okplsthx

Your main problem is that you appear to have difficulty comprehending the difference between objective fact and subjective opinion. Nothing is definitively bad simply because you say it is.

Why would you nerf turrets, when they are not over powered? We nerf skills and utilities because some random player “doesn’t feel they are fun” now?

So no nerf needed because some other even more random player saying it’s ok….looks legit

Ah, the old, I have no evidence or support for my argument, so I will accuse you of making statements you didn’t say trick. You must be a hit at parties……………Please quote the section in which I stated “it’s okay” or “no nerf needed”. I am fairly certain I made no actual opinion about turrets at all. I do appreciate you supporting my argument, by replying as you did though, thank you.

looks like you missed the whole part of turret engi being op just for the mere reason it’s way too rewarding for the effort it takes…0 skill specs should be 0 effective, and turret engi is far from being so bad

coglin.1867:

Mrbig.8019:

ye we all know they suck in organized team q, point is there’s no organized team q.

They’re lame and not fun, they’re also too effective for the % of brain needed to use them.

Okplsthx

Your main problem is that you appear to have difficulty comprehending the difference between objective fact and subjective opinion. Nothing is definitively bad simply because you say it is.

Why would you nerf turrets, when they are not over powered? We nerf skills and utilities because some random player “doesn’t feel they are fun” now?

So no nerf needed because some other even more random player saying it’s ok….looks legit

Tao.5096:

Nothing really.
It only surprises me how much Gw2 community is made out of lemmings in majority.
Sadly.
But that’s how it is.

I answered your question

Now it’s my turn: How many ranked pvp games do you have? Also counting old tpvp and soloq matches ofc

Because you know…it’s always better to autenticate opinions with facts..i know vahn (Mrbig…the guy who opened this thread) and he definately has pvp experience…what about you?

Let’s see who is the real lemming here

Tao.5096:

Archaon.9524:

Also those guys coming here to actually defend turret engi…this forum is just…embarrassing, just play it and don’t tell anyone…it’s fine, but please at least don’t try to say it takes even a microscopic amount of skill…cause you know it doesn’t

List here pros and cons of Turret Engineer.

Pros:

-Totally braindead to play, place turrets and randomly spam your crap

-Can usually give an hard fight even if other player if way better than you, for example even a total reterded turret engi can kill a good thief with just some lucky shots (From turrets ofc…player still has to do pretty much nothing) You usually have to play at a decent if not good (Depending on your calss/spec) level to win vs a turret guy who is just pressing random buttons

-Good point holder since you don’t really want to go 1v1+turrets and crate if you’re not running a build made for it (Like carrion mace war)…outrotating them is usually the best choice

-Can go for decap forcing ppl out of point while trying to los turret spam

-On temple can just leave one of those crap turrets at buffs preventing cap for some time even if he’s miles away from it

-Also leaving turrets on close can be annoying for a thief going for decap while engi already left the point

-Turret’s damage scaling is broken…you can put a rabid amulet on and you have both nonsense condi damage AND decent power damage (Even with no power at all) while still being pretty tanky

Cons:

-Bad turret engis (Well all turret engis are bad….i mean the worst ones) usually afk on one point leaving other team 5v4 (But still in pug it’s not that easy to outrotate them with ppl who can’t communicate properly). Some of them still manage turrets in order to be able to move after being insulted long enough from their team fighting 4v5….so afking on point is player’s related weakness

-They are rooted in place for some time after they drop all their ai army

-Weak to condis, but that’s engi class….every engi is weak to condis anyway so it’s not a build related problem…

-And probably the most important one…those who run turret engi are 90% bad players (The other 10% are ppl who are just running it for trolling…leman i’m looking at you bro xD) and they usually don’t have any clue about teamplay, rotations and stuff…so if you get someone who actually runs 5 ppl able to outrotate and spike him fast, your braindead engi is gonna be a terrible cripple for your team…a proper team can outplay and outrotate a turret engi all day, and that’s why it doesn’t work in high level pvp

So…what now?

Tao.5096:

Cynz.9437:

too little effort, too much reward… is not a great idea for class balancing imo

Can you list weaknesses of Turret Engineer?

They usually die 2v1.

lol

Well just condiload the kitten out of them after healing turret and they’re probably gonna die like pretty much any other engi (Or puxy crate you in 1v1 xD)…if turrets don’t kill your before landing your condi burst ofc. Just don’t waste time killing anything except rocket turret…don’t even think to go for thumper…dat crap is harder than a soldier war rofl. Keep in mid that if you’re running a condi build, that is the best way to go vs engis, and you have low direct dmg, have fun killing turrets that are obviously immune to condis in a decent amount of time

kirito.4138:

I train daily by killing 1,000 test golems in the mist then run laps around the mist for an hour.

Still way more challenging than unranked

no joke

Justin ODell.9517:

Archaon.9524:

what is top 5%? u.u

He’s being modest, his MMR is actually in the top 2%.

Guys stop talking about things we can’t see without dev’s supersight

Trolls >_<

Josh Davis.6015:

Archaon.9524:

Josh Davis.6015:

Taygus.4571:

GhOst.4019:

Sorel.4870:

Where do you see all these devs? I’m on a EU french server and I’ve never seen one with the Anet tag.

I see a at least 2 different devs in PvP a week. My friends see even more in WvW (mainly EoTM). Devs seem to like EoTM and most devs, like most players that don’t have tomes go there to lvl fastest to 80. Rangers have been spotted the most but I can’t say for sure that is what most of them main, because no one knows these numbers. Just 2 days ago my firend went into EoTM and said there were 5 devs running with the zerg, 1 war, 1 guard, 3 rangers. 1 ranger & guard not 80 yet.

As Grouch stated, he wants to help the team out and will play whatever he needs to. I have seen him on Engi mostly but I am sure that is mainly because, what team doesn’t need an engi? I have also seen him play other classes. If engi was to ever become basically useless in PvP (shouldn’t due to balance) I am sure Grouch would play another class more often.

Players should want to help the team. Not willing to switch when there is 3 thieves and it’s not the daily, to me blows my mind. Never the less, it happens.

I am sure there are some devs in EU, whether they live there or just play there; but Anet is in the USA, NA see’s them a lot more.

so….all that to say “They’re in NA, that’s where you’ll see them”
____
I’d really like to know what devs if any play on EU servers ^^. would be nice to see them around…

If we get a chance we’ll play there during work hours (EU primetime) but for the most part we play on NA during our free time. Most of us have guilds and friends that we play with, just like you guys! There’s a lot more of us playing than you’d think…we just blend in. (One of us, one of us!)

We do have a handful of EU community managers – like David, Ramon, and Stephanie. I’ve seen Stephanie playing on a FR EU server before in WvW (and then I hunted her down mercilessly).

grouch stop going hj…go ranked xD Never met you there >.<

I generally play in unranked/ranked. My MMR puts me at about the top 5%~, so this may explain why you haven’t seen me around.

what is top 5%? u.u Considering ladder doesn’t reflect mmr anyway…as we all know xD (I don’t even know where i am on leaderboards myself since i don’t look at lb anymore lel…on first acc ofc, i stopped playing on this one) let alone knowing my or your mmr .__.

Mrbig.8019:

ye we all know they suck in organized team q, point is there’s no organized team q.

They’re lame and not fun, they’re also too effective for the % of brain needed to use them.

Okplsthx

That’s how pve heroes love to play the game…getting rewarded for doing nothing. Talking about pugs ofc…decent teams can usually deal with turreterds without problems, but you won’t find turret engis in high level matches anyway…but vs pugs with pretty much no tactic and/or not knowing how to fight or rotate out from them, they’re pretty nonsense

Sad thing is that everyone loves pve heroes at anet so they’re probably not gonna nerf the nab’s n1 spec

Also those guys coming here to actually defend turret engi…this forum is just…embarrassing, just play it and don’t tell anyone…it’s fine, but please at least don’t try to say it takes even a microscopic amount of skill…cause you know it doesn’t

Anyway here’s the good stuff: Want to get rid of those ppl forever? …just run phd’s carrion mace/sword lb war with distracting strikes and missile deflection (I personally don’t like it very much and is not so strong in tf imo, but in 1v1 is really good expec vs engis..it’s pretty much hardcounter for them while still being viable in team) go for their point and faceroll them over and over again, jump on them and unleash the mapchat flame….after getting rekt and flamed 3-4 times rage usually gets real…it’s pretty fun making turret engis ragequit in unranked (In ranked they probably won’t quit but they’re gonna get pretty mad anyway) and maybe…just maybe they will eventually drop turrets and start learning to play

leman.7682:

incisorr.9502:

-snip-

Hey, incisorr.

You seem to be pretty mad. With your comments, you’re showing your lack of experience. I know that because I sometimes play against you in Ranked matches.

You run some weird GS+CC-weapon build that kills my necro no problem, but do I run to the forums and complain about GS warriors?
Also, even though you can kill me, I am yet to see a match you win against me, think we’re going 4-0 for me. You know why? Because this game is about teamplay and you working with your team instead of complaining that conditions kill you.
It’s not about winning 1v1 while the points tick for your opponent.
It’s not about making conditions bad so that your build (that is btw insanely good vs condis) can stand them.

All I have to say – l2p issue.

Leman used flame. It’s super effective!

Josh Davis.6015:

Taygus.4571:

GhOst.4019:

Sorel.4870:

Where do you see all these devs? I’m on a EU french server and I’ve never seen one with the Anet tag.

I see a at least 2 different devs in PvP a week. My friends see even more in WvW (mainly EoTM). Devs seem to like EoTM and most devs, like most players that don’t have tomes go there to lvl fastest to 80. Rangers have been spotted the most but I can’t say for sure that is what most of them main, because no one knows these numbers. Just 2 days ago my firend went into EoTM and said there were 5 devs running with the zerg, 1 war, 1 guard, 3 rangers. 1 ranger & guard not 80 yet.

As Grouch stated, he wants to help the team out and will play whatever he needs to. I have seen him on Engi mostly but I am sure that is mainly because, what team doesn’t need an engi? I have also seen him play other classes. If engi was to ever become basically useless in PvP (shouldn’t due to balance) I am sure Grouch would play another class more often.

Players should want to help the team. Not willing to switch when there is 3 thieves and it’s not the daily, to me blows my mind. Never the less, it happens.

I am sure there are some devs in EU, whether they live there or just play there; but Anet is in the USA, NA see’s them a lot more.

so….all that to say “They’re in NA, that’s where you’ll see them”
____
I’d really like to know what devs if any play on EU servers ^^. would be nice to see them around…

If we get a chance we’ll play there during work hours (EU primetime) but for the most part we play on NA during our free time. Most of us have guilds and friends that we play with, just like you guys! There’s a lot more of us playing than you’d think…we just blend in. (One of us, one of us!)

We do have a handful of EU community managers – like David, Ramon, and Stephanie. I’ve seen Stephanie playing on a FR EU server before in WvW (and then I hunted her down mercilessly).

grouch stop going hj…go ranked xD Never met you there >.<

adam.8692:

Archaon.9524:

Mono.7320:

Ash ketchum.2051:

Maybe they just tried to give you constructive criticism and you denied being helped?

How is calling someone F word and cursing you ‘’constructive criticism’’ ???

when you write in team chat:

“Don’t go boss”

and

3 ppl going boss, mid lost and boos stolen

“Don’t go 1 by 1 vs 3”

and

ppl keep going 1v3 for 5 minutes

“Hold points don’t zerg around like wvsw chickens”

and

ppl capping pnts with 3 and then just all 3 zerging to another point leaving it freecap

and pu mesmers pushing far (Well pu mesmers in general), dps rangers eating their whole reflected rapid fire, condi thieves, banner warriors, zerk yolo staff eles…and on and on and on…

I think that F words is way less than what they actually deserve

But… they don’t care if they lose or win just like OP said.

and that’s even worse

Mono.7320:

Ash ketchum.2051:

Maybe they just tried to give you constructive criticism and you denied being helped?

How is calling someone F word and cursing you ‘’constructive criticism’’ ???

when you write in team chat:

“Don’t go boss”

and

3 ppl going boss, mid lost and boos stolen

“Don’t go 1 by 1 vs 3”

and

ppl keep going 1v3 for 5 minutes

“Hold points don’t zerg around like wvsw chickens”

and

ppl capping pnts with 3 and then just all 3 zerging to another point leaving it freecap

and pu mesmers pushing far (Well pu mesmers in general), dps rangers eating their whole reflected rapid fire, condi thieves, banner warriors, zerk yolo staff eles, ppl not being able to res/stomp…and on and on and on…

I think that F words is way less than what they actually deserve…they would have a freakin ton of reports and bans for feeding and playing bad in games like LoL…so i think you’re pretty lucky for just being insulted after all

i remember people asking for this (Build templates) since like 2 years ago….and someone said it was coming, they were looking into it..

so yeah….after 2 years they’re still working on it i suppose

Laraley.7695:

How about no. Underwater skills are so unbalanced, thief can’t even use half of the skills.

because thief doesn’t need other underwater skills when you can permadodge everything forever…lel i remember on capricorn permadodge thieves and unkillable lick wounds exploiting rangers everywhere…

so…please…just no

Lord of Madness.2603:

I agree with you archaon, also don’t worry about Tao he is a pretty hardcore Rank Farm user and will do anything to defend them.

lol ofc i don’t care, i was r70 before april 2014 patch when r70 was 3kk+ rank points and got my stupid 80 with patch like any other 55+ …ppl farming for rank now that is so easy to get from 1 to 80 it’s just lol…i didn’t farm when skyhammer farming was getting exploited during old ranks and now it’s even more stupid, being 80 means nothing…you just need 4 months or even less pvp to get r80…pretty pointless, but still is clearly against eula…anet did nothing one year ago, no bans at all (At that time they just changed some settings in custom arenas but it didn’t prevent ppl from farming anyway, pve heroes are gonna farm no matter what) and they won’t do anything now i guess…but it’s fine, competitive pvp is dead since long time ago anyway

you know with 12k+ matches on your back you don’t really care bout anything anymore…

Lord of Madness.2603:

Some things that need some looking into.

• There are Players currently in Ranked and Unranked Pvp that the second they score a point they run to the enemy base and die as many times as possible, or jump off a cliff and die until they have given the enemy team enough points to win leaving their own team to fight a 4v5 with him feeding the enemies. They even state that they are trying to farm rank points and rewards and this is a fast way for them to do it. This directly Breaks The Rules of Conduct of GW2

We need a system or option to report players for Feeding as to quickly stop this from happening in the near future given we have no option at all to report or stop this.

Rule 22 States- While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people’s game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching.

• A long time going issue are PvP Runners. If you don’t know a “PvP Runner” is an individual that avoids the Dishonorable Debuff for AFKing by running around the map or dancing around inside of the Home Base. This usually occurs the second they are “Done” with the match or feel like the match is a lost cause within the first 30 seconds of the match. This results in a 4v5 and almost no chance of a comeback. Given Dishonorable cannot accurately detect this I feel we need an option in the report menu to report actions like this so these players can start avoiding this kind of negative behavior such as this in order to further clean and help the legitimate pvp players experience and to cut down on unfair matches.

Rule 22 States- While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people’s game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching.

I would like at least someone from Anet to give some imput what you may be doing about this in the future because at the current time Upvp and Tpvp are almost completely unplayable..

this is why they should also ban those rank farming servers…but noone actually gives a single kitten to it