Guild Wars 2

Sorel.4870:

Archaon.9524:

Ranks are totally meaningless since 15 april 2014 patch…no matter rank farm on not

They also were meaningless prior to that. They just indicate how much you’ve played. Surely, you won’t argue that the people now on the top of the LB are the best players in the game (I have nothing against them, it’s not their fault)? The skill is measured on the battlefield, not with a pretty flag.

old pre 16 dec ladder was pretty accurate (Top players were usually on top at least)

this one…just lol…

Sorel.4870:

Shylock.4653:

Sorel.4870:

I’ve beaten my fair share of Legendary Champion terrormancers

With all the rank farm server nowadays Legendary Champion means not much. I have met really bad Legendary Champions which double caps points and did all the noob errors you can think of.

I gladly concede. I don’t blame rank farm servers though, because the only people who would want to go there would do it for the achievements/titles/finishers, meaning they are most likely AP farmers and PvE players. Losing every game in unranked is faster. But some people just don’t like to learn. I run into a lot of “Champion Genius” turret engineers lately (ok, I was one last night, but that doesn’t count), and it makes you wonder: if you only play that build, or spirit ranger, or hambow warrior, until you reach rank 80, you can’t possibly improve! It certainly have been the case of these necromancers. But you see, when I play my p/p rabid build, even the most braindead necromancer can kill me if he doesn’t completely mess up. So turreter seems a bit stronger in that aspect.

Ranks are totally meaningless since 15 april 2014 patch…no matter rank farm on not

GoogleBrandon.5073:

Sabre.8627:

My question is, why is one of the main counters- The condition necromancer, never mentioned?

I think I can answer this

You do not see many Condition Necromancers, if at all nowadays… Reason why is not that hard to find – there is nearly no use for it…
It is tough to play, not as much as a teamfighter and Conditions Cleanses are numerous nowadays, so more than often you will find people switch to Power Necro, which is somewhat easier, does not rely on Conditions to get damage off and can actually cause a lot of pressure to the set-meta…

One shoutbow in teamfight and your condi necro can just go afk waiting for ppl to gank him

with like 30 players in top league all playing troll specs and comps giving no kittens because there are no decent rewards and ques are gonna take forever (Considering it’s a 6 minutes, at best, with 5 ppl during prime times already)….while turret engis straight out from arah keep farming low tier ladders for lamas

this is how is gonna end pretty much

Sorel.4870:

Hachiman.2470:

?? Where on the ESL tourney rules does it state you cannot play turrets?

They don’t. Turrets are just not optimal for organized play. It only works in soloq, which is already bad enough.

let alone everyone is gonna flame you forever….for obvious and totally legit reasons

Daishi.6027:

^ except kills our competitive community…

Although adding to the conspiracy theories…
I blame grouch >=(

Blaming grouch is definately the way to go xD

He didn’t even let me and xerrex in when they were testing stronghold arenas…shame on you grouch .__.

Arantheal.7396:

I want the dmg on rifle and rocket to stay the same so I can clear siege effectively in WvW. I want the knockbacks on thumper staying the same so I can double-proc blasts from it. I want the burning and smokefield to stay the same on flame-turret to be effective in condi-builds, and I want the immob and stun to stay the same on net-turret because it’s the only reason to pick it.

Do I care if they nerf the uptime? nope. the ones in supply-crate only last 60sec anyways. net-turret is most efficient if you pick it up after each stun.
Do I care if they nerf the cd? yes, cause that makes it harder to proc the blast / push from it.
Do I care if they tone down the thumpers healthpool? nope.
Do I care if they tone down the turret self-repair? yes, because it makes it harder for them to stay alive against the archers in WvW. Same for the 33% dmg-reduction.

These are just my personal preferences, but do I know how a possible nerf on turrets would look like exactly? nope.
So I rather work against a nerf all together, because none of these turrets is OP in itself, and running them together barely performs in PvP anyways.

Do anyone care about wvsw in pvp forum? Nope.

Btw ppl asking for skill/traits effect’s split between pvp and pve since years ago.

Another good gw1 thing that gw2 can’t afford…

Stop verbal abuse…give us “report for being noob” option like on LoL that forces you out of pvp for 30 mins or more

Flame is a waste of time anyway

GoogleBrandon.5073:

Boredom, genuinly interested and it keeps me from posting salty threads;

What do you people think was the worst and most annoying spec to fight?
The old Decap Engineer – who became imune to conditions thanks to Automated Response, used Flamethrower to degrade people by shoving them off-point, and needed about 2-3 people to succesfully take down depending on their builds

Or the most recent Turret Engineer, whoms Thumper Turret got a bit of a nerf, while the Rocket Turret became a more reliable projectile than Arcane Blast – CC’s which are both AI controlled as well as needing some interraction of said Engineer… A build which cannot be encountered by anything wearing paper armour, as the AI will shred them to pieces…

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Now personally, I was a ton more frustrated about the Decap Engineers… Reason why was because it was so freaking succesful in it’s role – you jumped to a point, got it contested indeffinately, and the enemy team was behind 100, 150pts before you knew it…
The immunity on Automated Response was incredibly bad design and made this build nearly unkillable
You would argue that the AI from the turrets do not require skill, and I am not saying it does not – but a good Decap Engineer could make you want to curse at puppies once you got it nearly downed for the bazzilionth time

So what are your thoughts?

I guess they need to give ppl braindead specs from time to time otherwise pve heroes wouldn’t do kitten on anything requiring any amount skill and eventually leave pvp

Decap and turrets just let them feel to be decent even if they totally suck, so they stick to the game, buy gems, economy rolls and everyone is happy (Everyone at anet ofc)

Working as intended

Arantheal.7396:

Terrorsquad.2349:

Arantheal.7396:

If I read sentences like:
“My parrot with rocket turret won 1v1 vs thief while i was just standing on a corner”
“That’s why Khylo gets so little votes :>”
“While I’m sure I wouldve lost more if I were playing my main classes.”
“If you cant beat them, join them.”
…then I know that this guy was right:
“ITS DEFINITELY A L2P ISSUE.”

It became clear to me you’re protecting Turret Engi everywhere you can, on every thread.

Also: Opinion =/= fact.

Because nerfing them comes along with nerfing the engineer in general

How nerfing turrets would affect engis not using turrets at all?

Please enlighten me

If you don’t want your ai build to get nerfs just say it straight don’t go for blatantly worthless excuses….nerfing turrets won’t affect other engi specs at all (Maybe just kb on exploding turrets…that on ht had always been broken anyway)

Just write something like “Don’t nerf turrets cause i need them to carry me” (That’s the only real reason why ppl don’t want turret engi to be nerfed into oblivion) after all still makes much more sense than what you just tried to point out.

If you want to make a point just ask some good engi like texbi to come here and defend turrets…but you already know that good engis will never defend that brainless crap…i know no top engi that wants turret engi to be around, not even one…you can keep talking as much as you want but if you really want ppl to take you seriously you should bring some facts too outside “Don’t nerf turret engi qq”

Because, at the end of the day, you’re just another random guy in the crowd…if you want to make relevant points you should bring relevant opinions to the table, the day we’ll see texbi, zan, denshee and so on coming here defending turret engi then we will take you seriously, until then you’re just wasting your time.

Peace

Royal.2693:

pelle ossa.9705:

Ouroboros.5076:

GG Anet, eSport is real.

Previous season, for info : https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Turret-hero-wins-the-leaderboard/first#post4785535

and there are 4-5 tuerret in the top 10…. arenaturret

I thought leaderboard only shows who plays more? You guys contradict yourself so much

it shows who plays turret engi the most…

working as intended

you can also spot those “top” ladder players (Rofl) often douqueing with double turreterdness for even moar esports…

we tried going with 3 turret engis trollteam…with 2 ppl not actively playing engi at all and who never used turrets before..not even knowing traits and stuff for dat crap

rekt everything including helseth and texbi…

then we just stopped cause we were starting to feel too dumb even for a trollteam…

but i remember ppl saying things like “I’m killing ppl on far while i’m doing nothing..” “My parrot with rocket turret won 1v1 vs thief while i was just standing on a corner” and stuff like that…

definately a high skill floor spec…no kitten..

Arantheal.7396:

so you tell me that any half decent player has issues with turret engis?
okay^^

still has to play decent in order to beat someone that doesn’t even know how to dodge…and this is not as balance should be, a more skilled player should always win vs a less skilled one

Arantheal.7396:

Sweetbread.4701:

This game has a real problem with inconsistent game rules that end up creating a lack of proper counter play.

Turrets can’t crit.
Turrets don’t scale with your stats (except condi-dmg and duration, exactly like every other AI in the game as well).
Turrets, like all other class-AI can only be improved by traits.
Seems pretty fair to me.

In general:
Having problems with turreteers is a big L2P issue.
out-rotate them, get rid of the rocket turret, don’t fight on point, rush them with +1 or +2…
I mean – seriously – would you try to 1v1 a bunker guardian on point? Or a hambow? Even if you could kill him eventually, don’t you think your time would be wiser spend to 1-up the fights somewhere else?
You really can’t expect a-net to balance the game around people yelling for a nerf which fall to such n00b-tactics…

actually any half decent player with any celestial spec can kill an hambow 1v1 with pretty much no effort….and bunker guardian shouldn’t be alone on point anyway…let alone bunker guard will never kill something 1v1

Arantheal.7396:

Archaon.9524:

ArthurDent.9538:

Archaon.9524:

TheFamster.7806:

Arenanet will only nerf/change specs that are played well in the high level competition. For example the stealth FGS rush was nerfed when one of the teams used it in stream tournaments to kill the lord in 5 seconds. Also the nightmare rune was changed when Phantaram was streaming and one of the devs asked in twitch chat if Noscoc was using nightmare runes. Same with might stacks, ele auto attack cancel, etc.

Given all the attention developers pay attention to high level and well known players while almost never listening to complains on forum, it is best for the entire community to encourage all players that attend ESL tournaments to run turret engies so that the match becomes 5v5 turret engie fest. Anet truly believes that balance patch must be done based on high level players, and if high level players do believe that turret engi spec should be done away, the only way to grab attention of balanced team is to actually have as many turret engies in competition to show how broken of spec it is.

I’m sure it won’t happen given the competitive and fair nature of high skilled GW2 players who are outraged because of dumb and broken spec of turret engies, but I feel like organizing turret engi day for ESL tournaments is the only way to actually make anet pay attention to players’ pleas.

don’t worry…turrets are coming to esl…sooner or later..and is gonna be fun..

I remember there was one team that almost beat radioactive with double turret engi. They used the bubbles to counter the liches, and it was an extremely close 2-1 set. First time I ever rooted for a turret engi.

there are stronger variants of dat reterded spec that the usual soldier guy running in circles like a chicken…way stronger ones. Ofc not gonna say anything on forum….for the skill it takes soldier turreterd engi is way more than enough already…i really don’t want to see more scrubs running even more powerful turretcrap builds that are actually able to hardcounter meta specs. They’re locked down until the right moment

Like settler amulet with elixir gun, flame + rocket-turret?
Or Zerker s/d with rocket + rifle-turret?
Or cele nades with rocket + thumper- turret?
Or cleric bombhealer with thumper + rocket-turret?
Seen them all plus a bunch more, and even tho they are more mobile, they still get outperformed by the current meta, make yourself no illusions there…

no settler’s zerk cleric or celestial

ArthurDent.9538:

Archaon.9524:

TheFamster.7806:

Arenanet will only nerf/change specs that are played well in the high level competition. For example the stealth FGS rush was nerfed when one of the teams used it in stream tournaments to kill the lord in 5 seconds. Also the nightmare rune was changed when Phantaram was streaming and one of the devs asked in twitch chat if Noscoc was using nightmare runes. Same with might stacks, ele auto attack cancel, etc.

Given all the attention developers pay attention to high level and well known players while almost never listening to complains on forum, it is best for the entire community to encourage all players that attend ESL tournaments to run turret engies so that the match becomes 5v5 turret engie fest. Anet truly believes that balance patch must be done based on high level players, and if high level players do believe that turret engi spec should be done away, the only way to grab attention of balanced team is to actually have as many turret engies in competition to show how broken of spec it is.

I’m sure it won’t happen given the competitive and fair nature of high skilled GW2 players who are outraged because of dumb and broken spec of turret engies, but I feel like organizing turret engi day for ESL tournaments is the only way to actually make anet pay attention to players’ pleas.

don’t worry…turrets are coming to esl…sooner or later..and is gonna be fun..

I remember there was one team that almost beat radioactive with double turret engi. They used the bubbles to counter the liches, and it was an extremely close 2-1 set. First time I ever rooted for a turret engi.

there are stronger variants of dat reterded spec that the usual soldier guy running in circles like a chicken…way stronger ones. Ofc not gonna say anything on forum….for the skill it takes soldier turreterd engi is way more than enough already…i really don’t want to see more scrubs running even more powerful turretcrap builds that are actually able to hardcounter meta specs. They’re locked down until the right moment

Sagat.3285:

I rather fight them than a condi,SD or cele engi. It really looks like a player issue some comps could faceroll turrets but do mediocre vs others, it’s like balancing around what’s mostly played which is not good.

Can’t really agree with that…i would say that i’d rather fight someone that is actually putting some skills in his spec..not just having to tryhard while i know that turret guy is basically doing nothing and still keeping up because all his ai bs. I’d rather 1v1 and lose vs texbi then winning against a noname turret engi that kept me there, let’s say for 1 minute, just being carried by his build.

That’s the real problem: turret engis are counterable, you can win them 1v1, they have drawbacks but still they shouldn’t exist cause they have a skill floor so low (Well pretty much nonexistent) that allows ppl that would be a freekill without ai carrying them to be way better than they actually are. Celestial rifle is stronger ofc but a bad player on celestial rifle still dies pretty easily, if you put the same nab guy on turrets is gonna do way better…cele rifle is really good when it has a good player behind it while turret is not that effective as a good played celestial but is way better for a trash player that wouldn’t do anything on a spec requiring more skills. Easy as that, and this is why good engis don’t play turrets…because at their level they would do better on celestial rifle, but randoms that aren’t able to do that can still grab a reterded spec like turrets (Or decap) and being effective…while they would be worthless on higher skill floor builds

TheFamster.7806:

Arenanet will only nerf/change specs that are played well in the high level competition. For example the stealth FGS rush was nerfed when one of the teams used it in stream tournaments to kill the lord in 5 seconds. Also the nightmare rune was changed when Phantaram was streaming and one of the devs asked in twitch chat if Noscoc was using nightmare runes. Same with might stacks, ele auto attack cancel, etc.

Given all the attention developers pay attention to high level and well known players while almost never listening to complains on forum, it is best for the entire community to encourage all players that attend ESL tournaments to run turret engies so that the match becomes 5v5 turret engie fest. Anet truly believes that balance patch must be done based on high level players, and if high level players do believe that turret engi spec should be done away, the only way to grab attention of balanced team is to actually have as many turret engies in competition to show how broken of spec it is.

I’m sure it won’t happen given the competitive and fair nature of high skilled GW2 players who are outraged because of dumb and broken spec of turret engies, but I feel like organizing turret engi day for ESL tournaments is the only way to actually make anet pay attention to players’ pleas.

don’t worry…turrets are coming to esl…sooner or later..and is gonna be fun..

necropha.6054:

adozu.6398:

i can blind, stun, launch, immobilise, chill, daze, kockdown… opponents to keep up pressure and take them down whitout getting hurt too much. sure, power necro hurts a lot, but it’s also easy to lock down.

can you do that to turret engineers? no, that will not stop the AI from damaging and even cc-ing you.

Kill rocket turret first. Then done. Easy.

yeah go tell helseth how easy it is xD

Terrorsquad.2349:

1 turret engi, ok, OP, but stationary.

More and more teams are actually using 2 turret engi’s to make up for their bad rotational and mechanical aspect, which shouldn’t be rewarded at all.

Clips, streams, videos.. All show how even top players are trolling around with 4 turret engi’s and/or others with 2 turret engi’s and easily win a game.

Do something about this.

Quite obvious if u look at the leaderboard aswel.
The higher you go, the more turret engi’s. Fact.

It makes also 0 sense how they can remain the same Turret Pressure while using more tank amulet (From Soldier/cleric to Sentinel’s).

Turret should scale with amulet; bunker amulet? = no turret damage.

FYI: Lazyness and lack of experience should NOT be rewarded

FYI2: fix the kitten “No Valid Path to Spot” bug where I still waste initiative aswel.

http://www.twitch.tv/xerrex/b/643319170?t=1h51m20s

Starlightmagus.8654:

So I figured I’d put this in the PvP forum because that’s where it happens pretty much 99% of the time. The title is pretty self-explanatory. Pretty much on a daily basis I’ll have people whisper me, usually after I kill them or else make it VERY hard for them to kill me (generally involving 3+ teammates of the opposing team). These whispers are, by and large, hateful and derogatory. Calling me names, telling me I’m bad at the game (never mind what that makes them for having such a tough time?), generally just trash talking. There’s a REASON I avoid Xbox Live.

Now, this is rather annoying on its own. But these same…people (I’ll be civil)…tend to also Block you first before even whispering, so you aren’t even able to reply. I often get spammed with hateful, rude, and disgusting comments while I’m in the middle of another fight and unable to take my attention away from the combat to block THEM.

Now, there are ways around this. Creating a chat window that doesn’t show whispers while in pvp comes to mind. But the thing is…I’m often chatting with friends while doing pvp. So that doesn’t really work. I’m sure there are a couple of other methods, each with their own drawbacks.

One thing I’d like to propose is that if you Block someone, it goes two ways. So you can’t message them, and they cannot message you. This won’t stop someone from spamming hate and vulgarity at you and THEN blocking you, but it will at least prevent them from immediately blocking before going on a spiteful whining rant more befitting a misbehaved child, with no way to even respond to them.

TLDR: SPvP community is at times toxic and I’m rather weary of being blocked then spammed with hateful insults. Measures should be taken to prevent this, also leading to less bans from the inevitable reports just because someone got worked up.

ignore them…unless you’re turret engi, if so then they’re totally right. Insulting turret engis is completely legit.

enver.9210:

dragon level guild premade vs me (pug)
and me 3 weeks old player

dragon level rofl…

anyone is freakin dragon lol

lordkrall.7241:

I would assume so. Seeing as anything else would require a massive amount of time and work, which simply wouldn’t be worth it.

DirectX 12 is NOT out, and still doesn’t have a release date.

end of 2015 most likely…not asking for dx12 ofc..but 11 at least…

or are you finally thinking about moving out from 2004 technology?

DirectX 12 is out and we’re still playing on a framework that was disigned for windows xp…

No wonder why gw2 is so badly optimized and has tons of fps problems everywhere…

if i go solo it’s because i want to go solo….

GoogleBrandon.5073:

Archaon.9524:

GoogleBrandon.5073:

Archaon.9524:

http://www.twitch.tv/xerrex/b/643319170?t=1h51m20s

enjoy cancer

The kitten is that?

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Also, is it just me or is Decap Engineer slowly creeping back? O.o

is called esports…

helseth enjoyed it too

http://www.twitch.tv/thelordhelseth/v/3964399?t=2h26m52s

You should feel bad for being the lone Warrior :P

i felt like shoutbow wasn’t cancer enough….so yeah…

GoogleBrandon.5073:

Archaon.9524:

http://www.twitch.tv/xerrex/b/643319170?t=1h51m20s

enjoy cancer

The kitten is that?

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Also, is it just me or is Decap Engineer slowly creeping back? O.o

is called esports…

helseth enjoyed it too

http://www.twitch.tv/thelordhelseth/v/3964399?t=2h26m52s

http://www.twitch.tv/xerrex/b/643319170?t=1h51m20s

enjoy cancer

Lordrosicky.5813:

Good its an actual test then. But people are not going to respect any other than an mmr type leaderboard. And if people dont respect the leaderboard nobody will make premades and no teams will form.

This

- Mmr based ladder

- Stop making this game so casual friendly that you can actually be decent just pressing random buttons while random dodging…or just afking on points.. (From cele bs to turreterds..)

- Unique rewards for pvp (Based on mmr, not farming ofc)

- Focus on quality over quantity

and freaking build templates for f sake

someone reflected your pew pew and now you qq much?

Blackjack.5621:

Seems simple to me that someone who loses less should have more points.

I think it looks simple to anyone except for anet….

and they’re still wondering why pvp community is slowly going to hell day after day…

livestrongbp.9654:

Up against this team (all Turret Engi), what a godkitten joke. We lost by the way, the joke is they are allowed to do that.

nomore class stacking

Anet 2015

GoogleBrandon.5073:

I browsed through my folders since I had to copy my folders to a seperate disk, as my second HDD in my laptop was dying and found this;

Glory days, long forgotten… Will never forget those days
Credits to whoever made that – cannot find it sadly as the search function is borked

engineers are still the same…but they also have turrets now xD

i really dunno why i even bother keep reading this thread…

the amount if bs all in one place is just…mindblowing…

And yeah posting personal score and number of kills from nowhere…maybe unranked vs total scrubs aswell as hotjoin definately proves your point lol

Want to test how op thief really is? Ask texbi or bullet for a 1v1 then come back and tell everyone how easy it was…

Or you can 1v1 me aswell with your ez mode brand new thief….add me Archaon.6245 show me how you kill ppl just randomly spamming stuff

jportell.2197:

Pistol pistol engis running 2/2/0/6/4 bomb kits with a zerker ammy.

Sounds pretty freekill to me xD

witcher.3197:

Sins.4782:

Reroll staff ele, pop armor of earth, meteor shower + lava font. Watch turrets go pop, profit. Bonus points if your meteor shower downs engis as well.

Only works if the engi is braindead enough to put all his turrets on the point. If not, then only Thumper turret will be on the point, which might even survive your meteor shower + lava font.

Considering thumper turret is as tanky as a soldier warrior is probably gonna be still up after aoes…unless ele is full yolozerk staff, in that case he’s gonna die from 3 rockets anyway…

And remember that if kitten hits the fan they can always go for the “I win” crate button and it’s gg…

Daishi.6027:

S/S+GS Cel Condi war

In the name of god wtf is dat crap you’re talkin about?

And no…nothing has better mobility than thief, let alone warrior…even running useless gs..

BlackBeard.2873:

Chemotherapy

^

GhOst.4019:

Not going to lie, I did that a while back. I know throw the stones, I made a turret engi. I had about 4 second lag and the game was obviously unplayable. I decided to make a turreteer to see how he faired during unplayable conditions. Started the round out and headed home. 2 people came at me and i randomly jammed buttons, because I couldn’t really tell where anyone was. After a good 30s I see them getting under 50% health. Somewhere along the lines near the end I had a 10 second lag spike where everyone just running in place. Game sprinted to catch up and I look, they both downed in front of me. Cool, I won.

working as intended

Never chase thieves and mesmers as a warrior, you will never get them if they have just half brain….let another thief/offguard or smt with good mobility and gap closers going for them…

Afk>Youtube>Done

xD

Invoker.5462:

Hard to play? Not really- i could work on some timings and cooldowns but tbh the overall survival mechanics and reliance of cooldowns on my warrior made that WAY harder than this profession.

You have absolutely no idea on what you’re talkin about…being a thief vs randoms can be pretty easy ofc…as it is for any other class with a proper spec, but being a GOOD thief in high tier pvp, where people are not standing there eating hearthseekers all day long and where you’re down at the first mistake you make, is far from being easy….not even remotely close to easy

And no…i don’t main thief.

If, as a warrior, you die vs a thief that is just spamming one button you should probably uninstall the game already and never look back…

Monk Tank.5897:

Add a class icon to the Character tab on the leaderboard. This way everyone can see what the meta really is. Or just what class that player is playing today.

And not just engi icon…we want a turret for turreterds…

need to make a turret engi since anything that requires pressing buttons won’t work atm with this ping….

…not even joking…

soooo…yeah

gg

well noone cares bout leaderboard…everyone is already full of worthless lamas anyway so there’s not even a tiny little reason to give any kitten…let alone it’s all about how much ppl play, even if they totally suk

noone outside pve tryhards is gonna setup a full rooster wasting time both waiting for people and qtimes for nothing…you just soloq trying to carry as much as possible while your team is 3v1ing on close, dieing at svanir, going for lord or something else…but hey that’s pvp playerbase right now…so you already know how is gonna end when you que up

luckily you can still go afk and browse youtube for more interesting stuff..looking at screaming goat’s videos is way better then looking at ppl 3v1ing a shout war on close while 4th guy is going chieftain…(Probably getting rekt ofc)

DeWolfe.2174:

jessiejay.3625:

Im not understanding why pvp rank is not taken into account in regards to “ranked arena.” I would assume i shouldnt be placed against r70 and 80’s bit it is occuring.

Same here, was only in the 20’s rank and not even top 1k on the leader boards. Yet, found myself fighting folks all Saturday that were top 200 and 80 ranked. If it’s true about just going into unranked and losing a couple rounds to lower the MMR, that would make sense of it all now.

you can usually 1v2 those so called “top” ladder players…so not much of an issue actually…

the only problem is that, having crap mmr, they usually 3+ que vs full pug teams so they can still manage to win somehow…

And yes…most of them are turret engis ofc…..what else xD

Please…just please….uninstall the game right now…

Seriously…please…

If they revert it to pre-dec ladder randoms are gonna qq cause they can’t do kitten, and it’s pretty safe to say that anet loves randoms…

They gave turrets to randoms just to let them do something even if they don’t even know kitten are they doin and made ladder farm-based so this is how it’s supposed to be i guess, just stop giving kitten to ladder already…they not gonna change it anyway

Real funny thing is that they are still talkin’ about esports while just looking at first page of their official ladder you see nothing but totally unknown ppl…looks legit to me

Lordrosicky.5813:

Honestly here is proof.

1, if you are good you have a high mmr
2, If you have a high mmr you have ling queue times
3, if you have long queue times you cant play a ton of games
4, if you cant play a ton of games you cant get high on the leaderboard

Is this the only leaderboard in history where it is mathematically impossible get highly ranked if you are actually good at the game?

easy solution

screw ladder