Guild Wars 2

perplexity lol

i don’t even…

nvm

Got first wts vs out of meta comp and team training once a month.

It was time to bring things in line again

good to know thumper turret alone has pretty much same hp of shatter mesmer with more armor and immune to conditions.

and it’s just an utility skill…

looks totally legit to me

how about buffing crate (That already is “I win” button btw) so it also drops 2 shout warriors 2 d/p thieves and a celestial d/d ele on the ground + the usual bunch of turrets?

I bet that for most forum’s users would still be fine..

Trevor Boyer.6524:

I play SPvP nightly and lead 5 man comps through our guild [LFG]. We aren’t the best around but we aren’t bad. We usually hover around 400-600 rating on the leaderboards and due to this middleman standing “which is neither novice or elite”
I feel that we have a good perspective and understanding of the current meta.

Too often I see users comparing metas to what tournament players are doing “if a build is OP or underpowered” and this is as incorrect as a novice rabbit complaining about Rapid Fire or Lich Form. The elite make up a very small percent of the community who are actually able to properly play certain build archetypes and then the novice rabbits consume a wide range of the community who only understand simple build archetypes. The elite players would tell you that Cele/Rifle was the OP build and that Power Necros were not viable in higher tier play but the novice rabbits would tell you that Power Necro was OP and that Cele/Rifle was over-rated.

So what do we have here? A lot of classes/archetypes that vary in their effectiveness depending on what MMR range the player is in and/or is against. This is in my opinion the core of the GW2 balancing issue.

Again, I spend an enormous amount of time with players of various MMR ranges on a nightly basis and without going in to much detail, here is what I find:

Warrior

• Rough to play for lower MMRs
• Balanced for intermediate MMRs
• Slightly weak for higher MMRs but it is mostly balanced

Guardian

• Slightly over-powered for low MMRs
• Balanced for intermediate MMRs
• No longer viable for higher MMRs

Thief

• Balanced for lower MMRs can sometimes be difficult to learn
• Balanced for intermediate MMRs
• Fairly balanced within higher MMRs but begins to weaken

Ranger

• Over-powered in lower MMRs
• Balanced for intermediate MMRs
• Begins to lose viability for higher MMRs

Engineer

• Difficult to make viable for lower MMRs
• Balanced for intermediate MMRs
• Slightly over-powered for higher MMRs

Necromancer

• Over-powered for lower MMRs
• Balanced in mid range MMRs
• Debatable whether it has any viability for higher MMRs

Mesmer

• Balanced but slightly weaker for lower MMRs
• Balanced for intermediate MMRs
• Balanced for higher MMRs

Elementalist

• Not viable for low MMRs
• Balanced for intermediate MMRs
• Slightly over-powered for high MMRs

So where are we now with balance in GW2? I’m not so sure about that.
I can say that I understand arena-net tries to balance things “game-wide” not just spvp.
Personally I feel that GW2 is very balanced at this point, even game-wide.
But one thing is certain, attention needs to be given towards conquest and making each class viable again in high tier MMR matches.

Guess when talkin bout guardian you mean bunker…cause i see many teams with offguard in rooster, and eterniah’s team even playing double offguard (That is totally reterded with a d/p thief too) to hardcounter some comps

btw 55 hp still run bunker guard

and a decent celestial ele/engi can hold 3 scrubs alone in low mmr…so yeah…

dat thief…roflmao

Dondagora.9645:

Mayama.1854:

Condi mesmers are super easy because you can concentrate on defending all the time because the AI fights for you.

You mean PU Condi Mesmer, specifically, I assume.

for anyone who wants to talk about condi mesmers zergs vs doors/pve forum that way —->

jportell.2197:

shimmerless.4560:

These forums are always good for a laugh.

I actually got called a scrub by a pew pew ranger after I portal stomped him >.<

legit

silentnight warrior.2714:

Archaon.9524:

Just…lol…

PvP community op

“Portal wtf” pure gold

I think he was just saying that mesmer have ways to deal with conditions, but people just dont want to take them.
On my mesmer i also dont use portal but instead i use null field or Arcane Thievery.

Mesmer have many ways to deal with conditions, but those skills / traits are not used on shatter builds so people dont take them.
Its almost the same thing to say warrior lack condition cleansing when they are playing a full zerker warrior with no points in defense and none skill / trait do cleanse conditions.

Problem is that in pvp a mesmer without portal has no point, you can just take anything else over him then…portal is like 50% of mesmer’s utility…you need to manage to stay alive without condi removal, otherwise you may stay up but you’re gonna be pretty much a worthless mesmer, you can just get another bs celestial engi/ele or an offguard/thief/war instead and is probably gonna be better

Just…lol…

PvP community op

“Portal wtf” pure gold

Hyunato.8102:

Hello forum,

I’m starting to play sPvP for the first time and I’m wondering something.

During combat, if one of my allies got downed, my initial response was to help them up. It seemed to make sense preserving the value of an extra player. However, I noticed I got damaged like crazy trying to rally them and sometimes even dying myself. Even going into stealth before rallying them often got me damaged or cc’d. But then sometimes I try to kill the enemy player instead and the enemy is able to finish them.

My question is what’s the right thing to do? Is there one? Even trying to heal your allies to see if the enemy responds can be risky enough.

I’d like to hear your thoughts, thanks in advance.

Mainly depends on the situation, class, you and enemy’s cd, specs and so on…there’s no easy answer

For example if you’re bunker guard and one mate goes down you always have to go for rez, but if you’re a thief or mesmer you probably want to put stealth on the downed guy (Mass invis, sr) and let someone else rez him while you control ppl trying to stomp if you couldn’t stealth him or he broke stealth (Ripping stability, interrupting and so on) cause you won’t probably be able to tank cleave dmg…ending up on you going down aswell..

Also going for rez can be pretty risky vs a heavy dps setup (Even for a soldier war or bunker guard)…offguards, dps eles and mesmers can easily destroy you if you try to rez leaving them freecasting, any good team in a big tf will almost never let you pull out a res if you don’t plan it well (Thats why banner is so good btw). You always have to chose if you can safely go for res, or if someone else is going for it how you can possibly help (Double/triple rez, interrupting stomps, controlling ppl who are cleaving…) never…never do something before thinking…sometimes you can’t even try to res someone and you just leave him there to die…or you can also leave someone downed (Expec if he’s an ele/mesmer/thief that can delay even safe stomps for a bit and not so easy to res due to being pretty glassy) and go for a safe stomp on a war/guard/ranger/nec/engi that can do nothing to delay it. Downstate is a major thing in pvp, a stomp can totally turn a whole teamfight around so it’s not so easy to explain everything on a forum post.

Basic rule is to think before doing anything…“That guy is down, if i go for res can i try it safely? (You’re pretty tanky with some hp left, stab, invuln off cd and so on..) Can i do something better instead, like stomping someone already downed before they can finish my mate? Do they have something that can make a res really hard to pull off? (Shatter mes, condi nec, power nec on lich, offguard, engi spamming nades…)” and many other things…just try to figure out consequences instead of going straight for something. This is the hardest part of pvp anyway…and it’s all bout experience

pdavis.8031:

Archaon.9524:

Rome.3192:

Keep at it and allah will reward you with a thousand virgins.

Hope so u.u till now i only got some goats…lamas…whatever.. xD

Just remember, no one ever said that those virgins had to be the opposite gender. Chances are it’s a bunch of LARPing, D&D nerds who never left their moms basement.

Rome.3192:

Keep at it and allah will reward you with a thousand virgins.

Hope so u.u till now i only got some goats…lamas…whatever.. xD

i just swap to carrion m\s war when i see turretclowns on the other side

turretclowns (And engis in general) love mace sword condi war so much

well..matchmaking had never been good…so bad = working as intended

how can it be bad now if it always had been totally broken?

let’s put all toghether….courtyard, skyhammer, spirit watch even capricorn…and ofc the new almighty stronghold mode

go for a big unique que….do it…no problem..

…since in a couple of months there’s gonna be noone left to play that anymore, aside from pve farmers going for achievements and reward tracks…and they gonna give no kitten no matter what

heartless.6803:

The reason the matchmaking fails so often and so much is because there literally just isn’t enough people doing Spvp.

The main reason nobody does it is the same reason near the entire community hates arenas in wow. It’s just too kitten small of numbers.

I think spvp needs to be larger numbers at 10v10 and add a penalty for dropping group even in practice hot join.

you talking like if they didn’t know that pvp playerbase is so low, everyone knows there are very little good players (And more and more are leaving everyday) since more than 1 year ago…they knew it, they just worked on matchmaking and failed every single time..matchmaking always had been totally broken, they just doing it wrong and that’s it, never got any clue on how to balance teams, thinking a good player alone can carry a team of scrubs against an average premade, waiting 10+ minutes and just getting a 500-0 vs clueless randoms, 15 freaking minutes waiting in hom doing nothing for a 7 minutes match, class stacking, dailyes (People not able to play their class and rotate weren’t enough….so they made pve heroes going with random classes just for achievemnt points and getting rekt even harder)…and the list goes on…and on..and on..

and 10vs10 rofl…why not 30vs30 like wvsw chickens then?

just…please…5v5 it’s one of the few things not to be touched..

SkylightMoon.1980:

After watching some of the videos from today of the stronghold matches, Im beginning to think that stronghold will appeal less to the pvp crowd, and more the pve crowd. The map size along with the additional objectives spread out throughout the map made enemy encounters pretty rare. I saw a lot more of people bringing supply and killing or escorting guards/minions than actual fights.

The one philosophy I hate about Anet is that inspite of the fact that they are making something PvP(player versus player), they still insist on designing a mode that is incredibly forgiving to people who are bad at PvP(timing skills, knowing your class/rotation, coordinating with your team.)

+1

games for casuals will never be competitive..or esports..or however you wanna call it..

not saying anet should’t babysit casual players…but if they want to do so, then just give up on any sort of competitive scene already

casual friendly or competitive: pick one and forget the other

saying this since like…2 years ago, they still didn’t get it

GoogleBrandon.5073:

Back on topic

Ark here is in a group that does (did?) some ESL weeklies as well by the way, so he is no stranger to the highest level of PvP… The question he raised was What do we play for , and basically it can be dumbed down to one thing:

• Having fun

The method of “Having fun” differs per person, as I get a lot of fun meeting people and just trying the best I can to win a match, but this alone cannot, and is not a way to keep people driven in the game. This statement holds true to the people who like PvP, but got no “carrot to chase”

---

What can be improved
Especially to help with getting the fun back;

• Leaderboards, the numerous threads about it already signify the fact that these things are not funciton in a way that stimulates competitive play and maintaining your rank, rather, it prefers Quantity over Quality, which is not prosperous for the longlivety of the gamemode

• Matchmaking, besides complaining a lot about it, you do see that the Devs are working on it… However, as it stands now, the system does not distinguish Experienced and Less Experienced well

• “Imbalances”, but I take this one with a grain of salt considering that an Expansion is on the rise

• Carrots, titles, skins, w/e’ers – name it… Something that you can work for and proudly show off… Many times have I seen the suggestion for “Tiered Profession Titles” and why not? It showcases that the person in question has worked hard to get a title that shows dedication

well…about esl, let’s say did atm, since almost everyone just lost the will to put some effort into pvp, everyone just going “for fun” atm but not for sure wasting time training rotations and stuff for basically no rewards

GoogleBrandon.5073:

Archaon.9524:

GoogleBrandon.5073:

Aside from getting a daily dose of rage, I met some nice people playing, and that is why I still do it

But I do not think you remember ever teaming up with me – it was a long time ago when you were still wearing pink :P

Me? Pink u.u When?

Wtf xD

Hmmm… About a year ago I think, I remember fondly getting into a group that featured a Mesmer being more than half decent and teaming up after it :P

Had a bad streak of games on that evening, so the names of the people I played with then were ingraved in my head… Granted, sometimes my mind is playing funky games, but I am 99% sure it happened (and I got someone verifying it as well so yea :P )

If i was still maining mesmer must had been even more than 1 year ago xD And yeah…i was wearing pink before t3 on shatter mes (Pink asura ofc)… I didn’t even remember bout it at first ^^

butch.8136:

What do you want to keep playing?

In loving memory of gw1 pretty much

GoogleBrandon.5073:

Aside from getting a daily dose of rage, I met some nice people playing, and that is why I still do it

But I do not think you remember ever teaming up with me – it was a long time ago when you were still wearing pink :P

Me? Pink u.u When?

Wtf xD

pdavis.8031:

Archaon.9524:

Whangar.4950:

919 days of :
>no fun
>no mony
> no rewards

masochism at its finest m8

mainly because i was on gw1 since beta too…and i simply couldn’t believe they just ruined everything, kept trying and trying waiting for things getting better…eventually.

But no…they are not getting any better….at all

I spent 919 days on this game just because of gw1 and all the fun and good moments i had there…almost no other reason tho

And still waiting for a dev to answer btw

And what would a dev say? “Sorry about your experience, but we are currently looking into restructuring the rewards in PvP.”?

As others have said, it seems that you are not having fun. I would bet that even if the rewards were much better (I think that they are fine personally) that you still wouldn’t be having fun. It’s almost as if you want to like it, but just can’t. It’s not the games fault. If you don’t like it, and feel that it is unrewarding, why play it at all?

except that pretty much ALL old pvp players (And yes…that’s why it’s a WE) feel like there’s no reason to play too…

just ask any old pvp player, and i don’t mean pve/wvsw heroes just going pvp for pve rewards…just get anyone from top pvp players (And i mean top players not top on the farm based ladder) and ask what’s the point of playing pvp atm

just an example but i can bring as many screens from top players opinions about sotg as you want

So basically all answers till now are pretty much: If it sux just leave.

I just want to know if someone is planning to make this suck a bit less (And facts not just looking into stuff and then breaking the game even more, like had been since first patch) or it’s gonna be like this, or even worse forever…so i can safely quit

That’s pretty simple

That’s the answer i’m waiting for…words like “when it’s ready” are going nowhere

Dates, confirmed changes and fixes…fact to prove someone really wants to make this pvp worth playing for old players. I kept reading “We’re looking into this, we have this in mind” and so on forever…build templates for example, i remember devs were looking into that ONE freaking YEAR ago…and still nothing….and this is only one thing on the countless list of things someone promised and noone did…they all just got lost into the “When it’s ready” oblivion

Whangar.4950:

919 days of :
>no fun
>no mony
> no rewards

masochism at its finest m8

mainly because i was on gw1 since beta too…and i simply couldn’t believe they just ruined everything, kept trying and trying waiting for things getting better…eventually.

But no…they are not getting any better….at all, everytime gw1 comes up everyone is just like “Gw1 was so much better” “Why they didn’t make this like gw1”, many went playing it instead of this..ppl leaving and going back to a 10 years old game over gw2…and sometimes i go back too on double fame weekends

I spent 919 days on this game just because of gw1 and all the fun and good moments i had there…almost no other reason tho

And still waiting for a dev to answer btw, it’s just marketing…why should i keep using your product over something else?

I was talking with jacky and we ended up with one simple question…but yet we couldn’t find an answer.

What shall we play for? What’s the point of playing pvp atm? Considering all accounts i’m playing this game since 919 days ago, many thousands hours and i only pvp since start, way more than 14k pvp matches, i already was r70 with 3.5+kk rank points before 15 april 2014 patch and got r80 like everyone else, i already have any possible pvp reward you can get including 2 worthless lamas, 800+ tomes of knowledge and thousands skill point scrolls after leveling up all chars for no reason (Since i don’t care bout pve level in pvp anyway)…so: why should i continue playing this game?

Gold? You get nothing in pvp

Money? Please…even the most scrub tournaments in LoL/Dota aswell as many other (Real esport) games have better money rewards

Fun? Same boring metas for months, more passive bs each patch for giving pve heroes a chance and pretty much no competition unless you meet those few other good teams…that are pretty much all going yolo unranked anyway

Leaderboard? Not even gonna talk about it

Even if this was the best balanced skill based pvp game around (And it’s NOT), there would still be no point on playing anyway, and i remember talking with denshee some time ago he said the exact same thing…this is the feeling of pretty much all old competitive players.

So Anet, just answer my question:

What shall we play pvp for? As a gaming company you should know what are you doing to make players play your game (And stick to it)…so just answer me. Why should i keep playing your game? Or buy this incoming expansion thing? For what?

Playing games is already a waste of time compared to rl stuff so, at least, give me a reason to spend my free time here instead of moving to something else.

i used to do it if in soloq and i was fighting hardconters…like if i was facing double thief comp while on shatter mes just getting hambow instead before match starts

but now i totally stopped caring bout ranked/unranked, with this matchmaking isn’t even worth the effort of swapping char since you’re gonna get condi mesmers, gs wars, p/p thieves and other bs straight from pve in your team anyway…and most times there’s no way to carry someone who manage to die 2v1 or 3v2 while going solo, to be somehow safe you need (At least) to be 2-3q so you can still manage 2 points even if other 2 guys are totally worthless, if you go solo you may end up winning 1v2 on close…then you look up and you see your team got totally wiped 4v3 already (Like 3 ppl mid facetanking lich instead of los, remove stab, cc him and so on..)

And there’s nothing you can do bout it…no matter what you play

ronpierce.2760:

Kuzuryu.7359:

ronpierce.2760:

Why don’t you just add your comment to one of the other 500 existing turret threads? Your addition isn’t so important that it dictates another thread. We get people don’t like turrets, but we don’t need everyone’s individual thoughts, that all tend to be the exact “they shouldn’t even exist” notion, on separate note cards.

because 500 complaints are not enough?

Do you think 500 threads on a single build that some people are just miffed over how “easy” it is to play is going to change their production schedule, especially when their resources are mostly focused on an expansion???

well they should be enough…but looking at how anet “improved” pvp till now (Just take a look at leaderboards) doesn’t leave many hopes…

jportell.2197:

Gotta love engi days.

almost like old decap engi days…pure gold.

made half high tier players quit pvp until decap engi meta was over

turrets are not as gamebreaking like decap engis were back in these days but still they shouldn’t exist at all…being able to do something while basically being almost afk shouldn’t be allowed in a game calling itself esports

Expansive.3716:

Daishi.6027:

If mes is so strong and so easy why is it not meta? Wouldn’t there be a higher population of the class in PvP, and replace a lot of other classes?

Exactly. This is the question that has yet to be answered.

There isn’t an abundance of Mesmers playing whether at the lowest of levels or at the top.

It’s not rocket science to figure out why that is

cause ppl love to tryhard with “balanced” celestial bs eles and engis….

roflmao

Ravenmoon.5318:

ukuni.8745:

i play 90% of my games as a solo player and dont oftenly come up against premades myself but i do talk to my team ask builds/playstyles and let them know my plan and surprise surprise we get called premades, its really amazing how effective a little bit of communication can be if you use it.

Eh…that’s not how you get called a premade.

But when you go to courtyard and you see a beginning message by the like of
“Character name vs Team name” then you just know you are in premade. At least this is the only time i say something in map chat.

because right click on names in b tab is too high skill i guess…

Shiyo.3578:

Turrets being useless is overall better for the game than them being viable.

^

Knighthonor.4061:

I want to play the worst class in SPvP.

What class is that?

Condi mesmer, rifle war, condi thief, mm necro, bm ranger…there are many totally worthless specs..

Too bad someone actually uses them….and not even for trolling..

jportell.2197:

T raw.4658:

PU Mesmer the mesmer that mesmers want you to not realize exists

That being said they aren’t that viable in tPvP thus stay under the radar

Not to mention most mesmers hate PU mesmers because it is a no skill cheese stupid useless build.

Well pu mesmer is pretty much like turret engi…you play pu if you can’t play mesmer, those who can play mesmer (Really a few) are not playing pu for sure

Coulter.2315:

Ravenmoon.5318:

bump

LOL http://www.twitch.tv/thelordhelseth/v/3839316 mesmer OP, kills thief with literally one hand on the keyboard.

Doesn’t everyone play with one hand on the keyboard? :P

Coulter, this ravenmoon guy already solved all mesmer’s problems, fear panic strike nomore….stop going shatter and reroll pu so you can win against thieves (While being totally useless anywhere else but who cares…you can force them into retreat rofl)

mesmer community finally has his messiah….words have been spoken

Ravenmoon.5318:

Dude, just learn to play … that’s all. Any heavy condi build can take down a thief easily or force the thief into a retreat. This is not WvW, this is sPvP we’re talking. And we are talking about 1vs1 prowess from what I understand of your pity argument, which is rarely the case in sPvP. Obviously this mesmer could’ve built better.

And if your only option is to run from D/P thief (homosexual build yep), i pity you. There are godlike mesmer builds…

Oh and mr. pro leaderboarder, your team haven’t had a win yet this year in ESL, so what does that tell about you, LOL

P.S: Screw this e-kitten talk, make a thief and fight a condi mes.

got some decent cups and final against tcg in #63 but always playing with 2 randoms and no thief atm…guess you probably won so many esl tournaments, please teach me how to do it…oh wait you don’t even show up in pre 16 dec ladder..roflmao, are you eu or na btw? since i have no idea who you are

…you talking about condi mesmers in pvp…so yeah…nevermind, discussing stuff with you is just gonna be a waste of time. You probably so reterded you actually think condi mesmer is any viable in tpvp…and remember to tell chozen and levin that d/p is homosexual build..while helseth should play condi mesmer just to counter them lol

“This is not WvW, this is sPvP we’re talking” Pure GOLD

Sometimes i wonder if ppl are really so stupid or just trolling

Ravenmoon.5318:

Gotta love those premades on Courtyard…

best tryhards ever

jportell.2197:

SobeSoul.6910:

Archaon.9524:

SobeSoul.6910:

I’m tired of having to take the brunt of team fights because clueless people like the person in this screenshot have no clue what needs to be done in matches.

An ele who has no clue what rotation or team healing or anything isn’t someone I enjoy playing with.

Ladder is worthless (With pve tryhards farming losses and still getting points for it, being top ladder with 40% win ratio) why ppl still bother to go ranked anyway? It’s just longer q times

Courtyard, Skyhammer, and Spirit Watch aren’t my idea of fun.

Of course the ladder is bad, but unranked is also like Hotjoin 2.0b.

Then ranked is hotjoin 3.0 had a turret engi say “Everyone burn the beast down fast then rush to mid!” And i’m over here like, so “they have a thief, beast is bad idea” and still they went after it

and still the thief stole it.

So yeah.

well, when you see a turret engi making tactics you already know is gonna end really bad.

but still better than being 1v3 mid while you see 3 of your teamates being kitten d by svanir (Yeah all 3…) after mesmer moa’d it (Moa on svanir op)

last guy dead on far ofc…i already give up even at raging and flaming, 90% people won’t understand anyway

miss /resign command from gw1 so much…

Volrath.1473:

Ragnarox.9601:

Turret engies, shatter/condi mesmers and Thieves are meta in pvp now.

sorry, thieves are what?!

shatter/CONDI mesmers is the best part tho

average forum user’s level….

SobeSoul.6910:

Archaon.9524:

SobeSoul.6910:

I’m tired of having to take the brunt of team fights because clueless people like the person in this screenshot have no clue what needs to be done in matches.

An ele who has no clue what rotation or team healing or anything isn’t someone I enjoy playing with.

Ladder is worthless (With pve tryhards farming losses and still getting points for it, being top ladder with 40% win ratio) why ppl still bother to go ranked anyway? It’s just longer q times

Courtyard, Skyhammer, and Spirit Watch aren’t my idea of fun.

Of course the ladder is bad, but unranked is also like Hotjoin 2.0b.

well you have a point too i guess…

10+ mins que or courtyard with wvsw tryhards/skyhammer…

hard choice indeed

I just…can’t resist

Albaraa.1635:

Hello,

I am in no way trying to add to the complaining that already happens in PvP XD, just curious!

After spending a lot of time in Heart of the Mists (PvP), I feel like it would be nice to add a little sunlight to the constant dark (rainy mood) that the map is always in.

I was just curious if there are any plans to add a little more sunlight to the place (or as a matter of fact changing anything within the map in the future).

some serious pvp issues being discussed here…

Justin ODell.9517:

uberkingkong.8041:

Where are all the good players at yo?

Define good? Your rating is average, so you should be getting matched with the average player.

you mean people rushing svanir at start and getting ganked horribly while 1v3 mid? Because looks like this pretty much defines “average players” atm

Lux.7169:

turret engi

Nah they gonna freak out looking at different skills and no turrets on their ut bar, thinking about some sort of bug, relogging, getting back and once they got back other team already snowballed

Turret engis are pretty simple minded…i won’t give them something that requires pushing 2 more buttons

Donkeyhacks.4391:

Anybody explain to me why every mesmer ive met today has been able to blow me up in 2-5seconds today? ive not had any problems with mesmers recently now every mesmer seems to be god tier

they were probably standard 4 4 0 0 6 shatter mesmers and you ate all the burst including izerk, mirror blade AND shatter…guess you just met stupid condi mesmers till now so you were used to them being pretty much harmless

welcome to l2dodge shatter world…once you dodge izerk, mirror blade and shatter combo you just need some condis (Just some…shatter mes has no condi removal at all) or any thief to bring them down

jportell.2197:

SobeSoul.6910:

jportell.2197:

SobeSoul.6910:

Bhawb.7408:

Or rework the daily system so that it doesn’t end up forcing a bunch of players onto random professions that they don’t want to play and are awful at when a large portion of the community prefers to only play a single (or very small number) of professions.

I’d prefer if they are gonna bribe people with phat lewtz that they just rework the whole darn thing. Give us like 5 gems for a loss and 10 gems for a win or something and maybe bonus gems for certain achievements. People who are dedicated to spvp seem only to care about skins.

They used to give out gems actually.

Don’t recall that. Do remember getting skins and dyes from forge when I first drifted from wvw to spvp.

This was way back after launch. Like right after launch, when tournaments costed tickets and the rewards were gems. Also it was one map per week, and temple of the silent storm didn’t exist yet.

Old paid tns…but if you remember they changed it to make paids farmable too giving 1 qpnt to losers…leading everyone to just keep going no matter if winning or losing, and ofc qpnts ladder went totally reterded after that

looks like this game just doesn’t allow a skill and win based ladder…everything is gonna end up on brainless farming (From old paids, to pre 16 dec abused decay to this lose for win…last is the worst hands down, at least you needed to win first in order to abuse decay system forever on the old one)…they just always want to give bads the chance to go up anyway no matter how much they suck

all hail anet and pve heroes

SobeSoul.6910:

I’m tired of having to take the brunt of team fights because clueless people like the person in this screenshot have no clue what needs to be done in matches.

An ele who has no clue what rotation or team healing or anything isn’t someone I enjoy playing with.

Ladder is worthless (With pve tryhards farming losses and still getting points for it, being top ladder with 40% win ratio) why ppl still bother to go ranked anyway? It’s just longer q times

manveruppd.7601:

Here’s a question about tactics:
You have a d/d ele on your pug. He casts his FGS just before the game starts, so he can spin his way at superspeed to mid.
Who’s the best person to grab the 2nd one? Another person going mid? Someone going far? Or just whoever doesn’t have swiftness of their own no matter where they’re going?

If you go for 2 points the guy going for close (If you have ele everyone is gonna start with swiftness anyway) if you go for 3 then you probably want to give it to the one pushing far

uberkingkong.8041:

Where are all the good players at yo?

solo or 2-3 queing unranked atm…since ranked que is longer and there’s no point waiting more for getting blowouts 8/10 times (Last time we qued ranked 3q and one was a pve girl, we only had hard and fun matchup vs kervv proto ironical and another guy 4q with zan and a random guy in our team…everything else was just plain ganking), and as far as i know pretty much all good players in eu are just having fun in unranked, expec during odd times when ranked q is easily gonna be over 10 minutes for a totally worthless ladder too. So if you plan to meet good players expec during odd times you have way better chances while going unranked…ranked is more about pve tryhards farming points on ladder

Ravenmoon.5318:

Archaon.9524:

Ravenmoon.5318:

Vieux P.1238:

Archaon.9524:

jportell.2197:

Blair.3796:

jportell.2197:

Man what is with all these people suddenly thinking mesmer is easy mode… I just had a power necro, a condi engi, an S/D Thief and, a D/D ele tell me mesmer was easymode, autowin OP….

I
can’t
even.

Don’t look for logic or reasonable arguments from the “gud” players.

Need to add to the list Pistol/ Shield Engi and a Condi s/d+SB ranger… All called shatter mesmer cheesy easy mode.

How about d/p thief getting killed by shatter mesmer and whispering “Mesmer op”?

That must be one Idiot thief that cant spam 1 & 2 button cuz thats all it takes to kill a mesmer.

Says the non-thief It’s obvious you’ve only seen Thief on a screenshot. Don’t embarrass yourself further.

You actually got me wonder if “1 & 2” thief could kill someone that has been playing this game for more than a week xD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxc7lFT1vYE

mesmer op confirmed, he managed to survive 50 secs vs evis with dagger offhand only… nerf mesmer asap

and reduce entangle cd for the love of god, 60 (48 traited) secs is way too much for an unblockable aoe immobilize+bleeds

You do realize that this thief was made for this battle and that this build wouldn’t fly him at all in a real game right? I mean it doesn’t require a PhD to understand that so I don’t even know why you link this vid.

With the same success you can have a turret engi sitting his kitten off while this guy gets rekt.

Also idk who “Dat Korean Mesmer” is but that was one of the worst mesmer gameplays I’ve ever seen. I’ve seen better mesmers in a pug. With a greatsword <o>

Plus that video clearly shows you haven’t played a thief, just that you’ve seen a video on YouTube … bravo! Mad skillz bro

Yeah dagger offhand only is a well known op 1v1 thief build

Actually i used to play thief for some time (Over 3k tournament matches) but it was a bit long ago…while on the other hand i can’t even find you on pre 16 dec ladder, can you enlight me about your pvp experience then? Because if you think dat shatter mesmer is hard to kill with a thief (No matter if s/d or d/p) sorry but you are the one who has absolutely no clue…any (and i mean ANY) shatter mesmer would last way shorter than 50 secs vs any decent thief running a proper spec, if you can’t kill mesmers or you have problems with them is definately your problem since thief vs mesmer is the hardest counter in this game hands down…i just used evis vid cause i remember we lolled hard when he made it (When he still used to be my team mate before quitting the game)…any thief vs shatter mesmer (Yeah with greatsword <o> rofl) vid would be way shorter than this if thief is just not totally braindead, and way less fun to watch too

I remember sensotix some months ago while we were talking about how to fight panic strike d/p thieves on mesmer…..and we ended up that the best option is to run, no matter how bad a thief can be he can still kill you just with some lucky random air+fire procs with panic strike

But i guess senso is (Well…was, since he’s not playing anymore) a noob mesmer too compared to your awesome experience…

Those forum guys are totally epic…or maybe you’re just talking about worthless bs condi mesmers, but that’s all about pve\wvsw so i’m not gonna waste time talking about\with pve guys here

Ravenmoon.5318:

Vieux P.1238:

Archaon.9524:

jportell.2197:

Blair.3796:

jportell.2197:

Man what is with all these people suddenly thinking mesmer is easy mode… I just had a power necro, a condi engi, an S/D Thief and, a D/D ele tell me mesmer was easymode, autowin OP….

I
can’t
even.

Don’t look for logic or reasonable arguments from the “gud” players.

Need to add to the list Pistol/ Shield Engi and a Condi s/d+SB ranger… All called shatter mesmer cheesy easy mode.

How about d/p thief getting killed by shatter mesmer and whispering “Mesmer op”?

That must be one Idiot thief that cant spam 1 & 2 button cuz thats all it takes to kill a mesmer.

Says the non-thief It’s obvious you’ve only seen Thief on a screenshot. Don’t embarrass yourself further.

You actually got me wonder if “1 & 2” thief could kill someone that has been playing this game for more than a week xD

mesmer op confirmed, he managed to survive 50 secs vs evis with dagger offhand only… nerf mesmer asap

and reduce entangle cd for the love of god, 60 (48 traited) secs is way too much for an unblockable aoe immobilize+bleeds