Guild Wars 2

Aomine.5012:

Archaon.9524:

well it’s pretty much like celestial eles and shout wars

Guess the real answer is that there is nothing that can kill them in a decent amount of time to be worth going 1v1

Bunker meta

Ele and Shoutheal are the only 2 specs that take unreasonably long to kill 1 on 1, condition and raw damage alike .

celestial engi is still long enough to make any 1v1 on his point pretty much not worth the time you gonna spend there…engi is weak to condis, shout is weak to high dps and cc (Cause no stab and no endure pain) and ele is weak to burst dmg and boon removal (Aka mesmer)+chill\confusion…still this doesn’t allow for a really fast kill on any of those cause all three have insane sustain and can kite a lot…maybe if you moa them or if you go lich, but it’s kinda a waste..like engis crating 1v1 pretty much, let alone power nec is already bad in this meta

well it’s pretty much like celestial eles and shout wars

Guess the real answer is that there is nothing that can kill them in a decent amount of time to be worth going 1v1

Bunker meta

Rym.1469:

lol, that rage :P

Test Season speaks for itself though.

yeah test clearly failed…time to switch back..

Lordrosicky.5813:

Terrorsquad.2349:

#VoteForOldLeaderboard!
(Although I’m only an average player, I really liked the old leaderboard way more, even with it’s decays errors..)

+1

+2

Chukree.1756:

Yes. All good teams dont care to play. Because leaderboard is broken, and you don’t gain anything from doing it. It’s just solo q “active”, like before. Ranked is the new solo q. Team q is eliminated, and only excists exclusively on esl, where only 17 year olds and a few good teams can remain playing.

THIS

Mrbig.8019:

Blimm.5028:

In beta the game was simply absurdly fast paced, which was why I loved it so much. EVERY clkitten (edit: seriously, a-net?) hat something to just instagib people who were not on their toes. However you could counterplay all of that (ok, backstab thief WAS broken outside of 1v1 due to the hit coming from stealth… still..).
Best state of balance was before the dhuumfire patch. Revert to that and I might even consider going competitive (if I can get my mechanics back to par).
After dhuumfire everything went down hill.

TLDR: Pre dhuumfire/spirit patch balance plz.

This.

Aside thief burst, nothing was really OP.

People were actually complaining about clutch play abilities like time warp, portal and IoL instead of sigils and celestial ( at least at high level, not scrub level where people were complaining , and actually still complain, about frenzy warriors).

How could this game go so much downhill is beyond me.

Casual friendly ofc…what else

Bitty.1409:

I really don’t understand why so many of you decide to queue for unranked rather than ranked queues. All you do is go against players that are much worse than you, and separate the player base even more. I really hope it’s not that you are worried about effecting your win ratio on the leader boards because come on… we all know that means next too nothing. Splitting the player base is the last thing we need right now in PvP. Hell, even if i’m Solo Q’d, I still queue for Ranked because at least i’m going against equally skilled players but because of the lack of equally skilled players actually queuing for Ranked the matches are usually filled with players that clearly have no business playing in said match.

I’m not writing this to make fun of or hate on y’alls decision to queue for Unranked, i’m more just trying to figure out why you guys do. The more people that queue for ranked the more fun and balanced the matches will be.

because it takes half the time to start, and since ladder is not based on skill (Top ladder with 40% win rations) noone cares bout ranked

moar lamasssss

aw…god…

Supreme.3164:

In a game like GW2 aimed to casual players

and here folks…here we have the main pvp problem

eozturk.7205:

I am kinda sick and tired of zerging mentality in pvp since introduction of spectating mode. Even tho spectating was good however bringing spectating on hotjoin servers is just terrible. I feel like pvp of this game became worse after 2 years. I kinda miss old stuff where holding cap point depends on players not zerging with dps builds and one shotting focus targets.

I really don’t blame about players. This is the fault of ANET’s developer team. Current design forces people to zerg and pvp maps are way too small and easy to travel. Some builds does insane damage especially when they are not focused (zerging) and have absolutely no chance to counter sometimes. Don’t bring me dodge+invul etc. In this game, there is no profession to counter non stop crowd controls (both soft and hard) and immobolise stacking (where is diminishing return!?).

Have my rant. Thanks

But But But…they…must…zerg…

For da king and stonemist!

Go turret engi already….

lol i got there thinking he needed help and he already soloed that guard

Nec downstate is definately the way to go….and sure it’s op since we won while 4v5 since start

roflmao /sarcasm #esports

Sekai.2987:

Archaon.9524:

titles based on this “leaderboard”

Are you serious?

Like “Great farming champion” “Top 100 Hero with 40% win ratio” and stuff like that?

you know , propably these ppl will even wear them with pride…

yeah that’s what scares me the most….

titles based on this “leaderboard”

Are you serious?

Like “Great farming champion” “Top 100 Hero with 40% win ratio” and stuff like that?

Lux.7169:

SKERPDERRPER (nothing changed and no one cares)

CURPRICURN (this map does not exist)

Courtyard (no one cares)

sTRUGNh0LT (not released yet…)

I lol’d

SobeSoul.6910:

Archaon.9524:

SobeSoul.6910:

Exedore.6320:

Answer: Don’t use it. It’s beyond useless in every aspect of the game.

In order for Litany of Wrath to beat the HP/sec of Signet of Resolve, you’d have to do over 17k damage. If you’re doing that much damage in 6 seconds, your target is already dead anyway.

Besides, Shelter >> everything else.

Nice argument you make. “Shelter > all, but Signet of Resolve is what we compare things to!”

Mediguard can do over 17k dmg or thereabouts in 6s with procs. And no 17k dmg isn’t enough to kill a lot of classes.

Litany of Wrath isn’t exactly useless like people believe it is.

Get an offguard, take that crap heal, go into a match vs decent ppl

Come back and write down what happened

I have played games with it before. Considering it auto heals for 3.6k on top of 25% dmg dealt returns vs. Shelter’s 4.6k, and a 6s shorter CD, it’s pretty obvious none of you are even bothering with the math of the heal.

Shelter is not about heal..it’s about block, ppl just can’t get that blocks, evades, invuln, protection and so on are WAY more important than healing

This is not pve…if you get focused in tf 2k more heals will never save your kitten …not even 3k..let alone you also need to deal a decent amount of damage to get some healing…so you need to jump into condi/aoe/dmg and kitten spam in order to get something…

if you heal up you’re probably already kiting, for sure you’re not in middle of tf spamming your spintowin stuff…if you’re doing that you are not low enough to waste an healing cd…

i could write down a wall of text explaining why that healing skill sux (Like any other guard healing skill) compared to shelter but i don’t have enough time to waste…

So let’s just make it short…if something is good, good players would use it.

How many offguards do you see running that in esl?

Exactly…being able to kill scrubs doesn’t mean something is good, i can still kill full of ppl with rifle warrior in unranked…but rifle warrior still totally sux vs anyone with a proper working brain and i will NEVER play it against someone above decent…

SobeSoul.6910:

Exedore.6320:

Answer: Don’t use it. It’s beyond useless in every aspect of the game.

In order for Litany of Wrath to beat the HP/sec of Signet of Resolve, you’d have to do over 17k damage. If you’re doing that much damage in 6 seconds, your target is already dead anyway.

Besides, Shelter >> everything else.

Nice argument you make. “Shelter > all, but Signet of Resolve is what we compare things to!”

Mediguard can do over 17k dmg or thereabouts in 6s with procs. And no 17k dmg isn’t enough to kill a lot of classes.

Litany of Wrath isn’t exactly useless like people believe it is.

Get an offguard, take that crap heal, go into a match vs decent ppl

Come back and write down what happened

Yasha.5963:

I have tried to use this a few times, but it feels more like I am running around with no heal (well a small one from monk’s focus). Has anyone figured out how to use this in spvp, or is it just as useless as it seems?

How to use it?

Don’t.

/thread

Impact.2780:

Of course it’s latency. Even if you’re not lagging, it still takes time to communicate with the server. That time frame is where the issue can present itself, and is precisely why it happens at the start of a dodge, and not toward the end. Effects that are triggered on dodge still trigger because you still dodged. You just got hit within the window in which the server did not know you were dodging.

nah it’s not…hitting mid dodge aswell as immob bug have nothing to do with latency

stomp bug where ppl appear downed in one place while they’re under or above is caused by latency…but this is not the case…

I bet also getting stuck into walls is desync related then…

lol

Let alone desync problems are still anet’s fault

crap servers are crap, this is not zerg vs zerg where ppl dunno how to dodge anyway…in pvp if you can’t dodge you die..

Rangelost.4857:

All tiers: most players are so gullible they actually believe in a “meta”, and when they end up falling for it, they get absolutely destroyed by anyone who is using a custom build.

I had a zerk engi (SD) saying the exact same thing at start while soloqing…

He got totally rekt in 3 secs flat by a soldier hambow (Not even “that much” meta)

So yeah…go on please…

Grab a celestial ammy.

Spam your kitten.

Profit.

ronpierce.2760:

glorius.1235:

I think we can all agree on that intended or not, bug or not, exploit or not, these classes that are able to port the way they do, have been balanced around the ability to do so.

You don’t address a balance issue, cause in this case this is what is at stake, without addressing possible ways of compensating for the nerfs you make during the process.

It would be like “from tomorrow we’ll remove warriors’ healing signet as it turned out to be OP with celestial stats.” without any further explanation

I’m not upset only because I’m playing mesmer and this change will cripple the class beyond measures.
I’m upset, cause they say nothing about how they’ll compensate for this huge hit these classes will take.

Judging by their balancing history, they either:
- don’t know it yet
- don’t think there should be any kind of compensation.

THIS is what makes me slightly upset.

I really don’t think you can “balance” around get out of jail free cards against many popular classes/builds. Its not balance so much as it is a coping mechanic. In a sink of swim, people tend to swim though. Take this away and they’ll find new juke corners, something a bit more “legal” and will be perfectly fine. People who played it because they like abusing silly mechanics might fall off but thats fine.

That said, hopefully they do give them some love if they end up too squishy (for the reward involved, not in general. Zerkers are supposed to be).

no love for mesmers they have clones already

Cit Average forum’s user

Aomine.5012:

I find it funny that people kept saying their mesmer/ thief will be destroyed, but truth is very VERY FEW of the player-base can really utilize this advantage like some of the top streamers do. All they can do is use it as an exploit in Kyhlo map to fast travel all parts of map. They don’t use it like some of the most skillful and knowledgable thieves and mesmers, to use all those small ledges to avoid damage.

This “fix” will affect way less than people try to make it be because they don’t even play like those top streamers to begin with. The only difference will probably be just Kyhlo, where people learn those cheap spots to fast travel the ledges.

top streamers lol…much wow, most top players don’t even stream you know..

PierPiero.9142:

and you forgot f3 from mesmer … it is another way of stomping but this too has long cd

f4

Chukree.1756:

I know PHD, and he’s a very decent player, also, he’s formulating himself very well considering, his mother tongue isn’t english, I believe (I’ve heard). This Phd-guy.. Yeah, I know him. He analyze a game, and he copes with the happening in a defensive way with, one might say, not playing at all. Last game he played, was really well-played. I saw his stream, and I had no doubt at his intensions and his execution of his ideas, taken into account of my reviews of top player ESL streams. This lead me to the conclusion, that you were in a game where he considered the team mate’s value as incoherent, and decided not to play at his fullest. I think this is a l2p-issue in which you, under observation of your earlier posts, have concluded many times before in other balance scenarios. A balance scenario, where you were a victim, and in that case offended. I hope this will help you cope.

Well aside from 3rd person talking…phd is pretty right, i know the feeling..when u just…give up..

edgarallanpwn.8739:

adam.8692:

I play meta all the time. For few reasons. First one being that I want to give my best for my team to win- I will train mecanics, learn other class’ skills, animations, maps, plays, etc. and I will use the build that is optimised and was tested on the highest competitive scene. Second reason being that I don’t enjoy wining by tricks, gimmicks or whatever you may call it- build wars’ing. I don’t mind other people knowing exactly what I’m runing. I want to beat them through my own skill or lose and through this try to improve myself so next time I will do better.
I can easly see how some people might react to that statement- “you treat it too serious and I only want to have fun”. My answer is that it is fun for me. I play to win or to lose and improve. And exactly this I find enjoyable.

The problem with meta is it has nothing to do with YOU being your best. Meta has to do with what’s best as a TEAM. Your meta build, no matter how well you play it, is worthless if your teamplay does not capitalize on its advantages.

That’s the hwole reason builds like “shoutbow” work because its a team support. If your team can’t utilize it, its useless. This is why in spvp unranked solo builds perform beta, because on the off chance your team is coordinated they’ll still do ok, versus doing a lot better with those coordinated teams.

Tricks and gimmicks are unrelated. Individual skill also is unrelated to meta builds. it might help you play the meta build in a non meta environment better, but as it stands, again, meta is more for teamplay.

Hello? This is a TEAM game based around teamfights and rotations

Quadox.7834:

Archaon.9524:

Dondagora.9645:

I didn’t want to bump an old thread.

Power Block is a Mesmer GM Trait that increases the CD of interrupted skills from 5 seconds to 10 seconds. This does not work on thief weapon skills because, according to ANet, thieves don’t have CDs in the first place.

Anyway, here’s the thing, Power Block doesn’t work on thieves because ANet says thieves don’t have CD. Power Block’s tooltip says it increases the interrupted CD duration, so if it normally increase 5 to 10, then logically it should increase 0 to 5. So I see no reason this shouldn’t work this way. Thieves will get a mere 5 second CD when they usually get none? Meh, I don’t see how it would completely destroy thieves. Oh, but they lose initiative when you interrupt them in the first place, you say? Well, not always[a bug or something, they don’t lose initiative a lot of the time when they’re interrupted] and that goes for everyone[“Aw, but warriors already get a 5 second CD when they’re interrupted~” sounds ridiculous, really. Same thing for thief initiative loss when rupted, in the case that they actually lost it].

So, what’re your opinions, arguments, mesmer-hate, and thief-fanboyism you have for this topic?

PS, I don’t hate thieves, just annoyed about a trait tailored to ignore them.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Power_Block

It’s just original cd x some fixed % (Maybe 100% so it doubles but i don’t really know) for 10 secs, so you get let’s say x2 cd on that skill for 10 sec…

and last time i checked 0 (Thief skill’s cd) multiplied by any number (The constant % cd increase during dat 10 secs) still equals to…guess what? Exactly…

\thread

How do you know the specifics on how this trait works, that it works in percent?

because if it’s supposed to work like this (As devs already said is working as intended) it’s pretty obvious must be something like that

Funny thing is that necro is engi’s counter…just make engi/necro daily then

SKY.8062:

I’m just saying it would be really cool to have the option to Dual another player in player versus environment the option to have a small random fight with a random player maybe cuz you got into a small argument over some insignificant affair. I know doing something like that isn’t an easy task but I think it would make the game that much better and please no one say oh just go play player vs player I realize that player vs player is there and is fun it would just be a neat option, keeping track of your wins and losses is fun in the game for most. and I realize that’s not what Guild Wars 2 is going for everything is setup the way they wanted it.

pve players don’t duel nor pvp…

THEY…ZERG!! For the garrison and da king!

Boggs.6482:

Archaon.9524:

Boggs.6482:

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-snip-

So you mean to tell me that I should expect a bunker guardian and a celestial shoutbow warrior to lose a 2v2? I rotated immediately into mid after I stole their boss. I also would have had the rez had he used his knockback instead of rage typing in /t. As a matter of fact we won mid, but lost the game because he left. So if we won mid even though he got stomped, would it have not been better for me to steal their 25 points, rez my ally, AND win the node?

EDIT: I have also won my fair share of 4v5s. This team or team comp obviously wasn’t able to win for whatever reason. The reason why is entirely unimportant. What does matter is that in a competitive game mode, leaving your allies for any reason puts them at a disadvantage. If you’re the type of person that afks on a team then I have nothing more to say to you.

Not gonna lose…but not winning in any decent amount of time too and nec can resolve a tf really fast compared to worthless boss plus, as i already said, as a necro you shouldn’t go to steal anything (Unless it’s like 475 and they’re doin it) you’re not even a thief that can disengage if they decide to gank you 2v1 (There were 1 at boss and 1 at far after all, they were stupid and didn’t go for you but you can’t just rely on everyone being an idiot…if they actually had some brain they could have gone for you and then on mid vs war and guard with most stuff on cd since they were already in tf)…doesn’t matter if guard was bad, if he went afk, if you won or whatever..

You shouldn’t have gone there and that’s it.

And yes the main reason because i afk when i just see it’s hopeless is that most pve heroes out here just don’t want to get any better, thinking they do just fine whatever they do…no clue bout rotations, hardcounters…not even looking at minimap, but still always talking nonsense….like you are doing right now

You won mid? Yes…but you won it because other team was totally bad not because you did the right thing if they had anyone half decent on far (Aside from the reterd going for boss) you would have lost both boss and mid (3 ppl on respawn and 4v2, assuming the one who pushed you close died too, for easy snowball)…all this for 25 pnts. This is what you don’t get..you can’t do something hoping for other team being worse than you and not taking advantage from your mistakes

Like those engis pushing my point 1v1 while on carrion war, dieing horribly and then whispering “I usually kill warriors..” yeah…welcome to the real world, where you can’t just mindlessly inc people assuming they’re just worse than you and get rekt if you’re wrong

jportell.2197:

Archaon.9524:

Just disable ALL pve stuff in pvp…maybe we’re gonna get less ppl rushing svanir on start, dieing there and blaming team cause noone helped with boss…

and no…i’m not even joking, it really happens…

Its funny, how much people rage about that.

I already stopped raging…i’m on istant afk mode now, way better for nerves..when 2 ppl go for boss at start and other team doesn’t you already know there’s no point in tryharding anyway…

afk gg

pepper.6179:

Archaon.9524:

pepper.6179:

i run my own build and rekts mostly everyone, well except the bunker specs.

so pretty much all meta specs…except thief and shatter mes

you’ll be surprised i actually seen a lot of non meta specs being used when i go play pvp. Maybe its something with mmr

ofc i faceroll p/p thieves, gs wars and so on all day, expec in unranked…but many ppl playing bs doesn’t mean it’s meant to be played…not at any decent level at least…

Just disable ALL pve stuff in pvp…maybe we’re gonna get less ppl rushing svanir on start, dieing there and blaming team cause noone helped with boss…

and no…i’m not even joking, it really happens…

pepper.6179:

i run my own build and rekts mostly everyone, well except the bunker specs.

so pretty much all meta specs…except thief and shatter mes

jportell.2197:

Archaon.9524:

Tao.5096:

Archaon.9524:

(Since good mesmers don’t run condition crap),

Good players play however they want and strive to success and have fun.

go tell that to noscoc….sure he had so much fun playing something not really suited to face orng comp…aside from terrible positioning and worthless +1s….

/salt

you can play whatever you want ofc, you can play condi mes, gs yolowar, condi thief or anything that comes to mind…

but if you are actually playing to win you can’t just play any kitten you want…you MUST play something that suits your team’s needs and the best you can possibly run on your class, otherwise you just gonna be a cripple for other 4 ppl….or do you really think that YOU having “fun” is worth making your team lose cause you’re playing bs specs?

So no…good players don’t play what they want, they play what their team NEEDS them to play in order to win, nothing more nothing less.

I’m gonna say yes and no to this. Most good teams have players that main a specific class. Granted most classes have more than one spec that “could be” viable. Mesmers don’t have this option for pvp really, so if the team needs something besides a shatter mes, the team is better off with another class.

atm probably strongest eu team is the french one imo (Eterniah’s team) and that’s because they have drazeh who can play almost everything and he’s really good on whatever he plays, always rerolling to hardcounters depending on enemy’s comp, also orng got some really bad beatings against them…

Tao.5096:

Archaon.9524:

(Since good mesmers don’t run condition crap),

Good players play however they want and strive to success and have fun.

go tell that to noscoc….sure he had so much fun playing something not really suited to face orng comp…aside from terrible positioning and worthless +1s….

/salt

you can play whatever you want ofc, you can play condi mes, gs yolowar, condi thief or anything that comes to mind…

but if you are actually playing to win you can’t just play any kitten you want…you MUST play something that suits your team’s needs and the best you can possibly run on your class, otherwise you just gonna be a cripple for other 4 ppl….or do you really think that YOU having “fun” is worth making your team lose cause you’re playing bs specs?

So no…good players don’t play what they want, they play what their team NEEDS them to play in order to win, nothing more nothing less.

Dondagora.9645:

I didn’t want to bump an old thread.

Power Block is a Mesmer GM Trait that increases the CD of interrupted skills from 5 seconds to 10 seconds. This does not work on thief weapon skills because, according to ANet, thieves don’t have CDs in the first place.

Anyway, here’s the thing, Power Block doesn’t work on thieves because ANet says thieves don’t have CD. Power Block’s tooltip says it increases the interrupted CD duration, so if it normally increase 5 to 10, then logically it should increase 0 to 5. So I see no reason this shouldn’t work this way. Thieves will get a mere 5 second CD when they usually get none? Meh, I don’t see how it would completely destroy thieves. Oh, but they lose initiative when you interrupt them in the first place, you say? Well, not always[a bug or something, they don’t lose initiative a lot of the time when they’re interrupted] and that goes for everyone[“Aw, but warriors already get a 5 second CD when they’re interrupted~” sounds ridiculous, really. Same thing for thief initiative loss when rupted, in the case that they actually lost it].

So, what’re your opinions, arguments, mesmer-hate, and thief-fanboyism you have for this topic?

PS, I don’t hate thieves, just annoyed about a trait tailored to ignore them.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Power_Block

It’s just original cd x some fixed % (Maybe 100% so it doubles but i don’t really know) for 10 secs, so you get let’s say x2 cd on that skill for 10 sec…

and last time i checked 0 (Thief skill’s cd) multiplied by any number (The constant % cd increase during dat 10 secs) still equals to…guess what? Exactly…

\thread

Rome.3192:

…something about not enuf mesmers…

ha, find me now!

even if i find you, you gonna sr….

theef op nerf plz u.u

Jasher.6580:

Archaon.9524:

-snip-

Do you think Countless’ condi Mesmer build is bad?

Is that guy na? Cause i have no idea who he is…all good eu mesmers i know (Not that many still around anyway) are shatter.

Point is not all about condi mesmer bad or not, is more like…why should i want a condi mesmer if i can get a condi war, nec or engi who’s gonna do the same job even better.

I get a mesmer if i want aoe burst + boon removal and portal…that’s all mesmer is about, outside those things other classes have specs that can perform way better.

Real question is…is mesmer the best class for going condition?

And answer is no…trust me

It’s like tryharding to make a bunker (Or condi btw) thief…the only question that comes to mind is…why? Same goes for condi mesmer

Even dat celestial ranger thing i put down in 3 minutes is gonna be way better than a condi thief or mesmer…let alone meta builds…

Rome.3192:

Rome.7124:

Any Mesmers in these games?

lol wtf, I thought I was the only one. Hi, Rome.

How many are u there wtf?

Luki.8941:

@Archaon Hm did not tried it yet but not sure if this spreading of points is best idea for condi ranger. You got link to build ? or is just regular condi with cele?

Something like this…i don’t really play ranger and i just made it in 3 minutes so you probably want to modify it a bit since there’s not really a standard spec for this

Also consider s/d instead of a/t for more survivability if they have heavy 1 shot bursts liek thieves and mesmers…just evade the kitten out of them, air instead of energy on sbow is not bad too if you feel you don’t need the extra dodge, expec if you are facing thieves/mesmers and running s/d

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fNAQNAnfVjMq0yaNLOsQ1aADhqZLkBMDgGwd8eDXdJjqC-TpRHABBcCAE4QAAwDAIk9HOqMQwHBAA

Boggs.6482:

First match this morning, I got Nipplehell. I push far to steal the enemy beast. We have 2 of our guys fighting 1 guy on our home, a 2v2 on mid, one camping their home (who doesn’t notice me and never leaves point) and a turret engi trying to kill beast with all of his turrets. I steal the beast and head mid.

Our bunker guard calls me a noob for going “far” in team chat. I tell him I stole the beast with a friendly smiley. I start ranging on mid from up top. Our bunker guard is the first on the map to fall. I fear the enemies away, drop down, and start plague rezzing. The other player, a shoutbow warrior, does not help rez. I get the guard to within 10% of being rezzed. The enemies are stomping, and I expect the guard to do his downstate knockback. He does not knock them back.

In team chat he says, “Not a single rez.” I tell him I was plague rezzing, and he says “Well it wasn’t good enough. You just earned yourself a 4v5.” He proceeds to ragequit. We lose.

Please, Anet. Where is this dishonor we were promised?

If they were 2v2 mid and you went for beast (No matter if they were doing it or not) without being 100% sure your mates could win 2 points without problems then it was your mistake, you could have gone mid..winning it fast 3v2 would have been much better, if you’re necro you MUST be in teamfight, even more if they were bunker guard and shout war that can basically kill nothing in a decent amount of time…you’re not supposed to steal bosses, well noone is supposed to steal bosses on start if you don’t have a sure 2 cap already…like if they are 1 far 3 boss…you already have one point and 3v1 on the other THEN you can try to steal it (But you must be 100% sure not to die there). Let alone if someone does boss at start they probably gonna lose anyway without stealing it

So aside from dat guard being bad or not..if you went for their boss, with a necro, while not being 100% sure your team could handle 2 points with no problems…it was your fault and he was right, with your close still contested you want to resolve midfight, get your 2 cap, rotate and lock them down after they respawn, not to steal some bs 25 pnts…

Anyway i’m adopting the no rage mindset atm…if i see my team 3v1ing for more than 15 secs without winning, people going for boss at start, zerging around leaving points freecap, decapping a point and holding 2-3 there while teamates manage to die 4v3-2, people going 1v1 for 2 minutes with bunkers on their point without being able to do kitten…then it’s istant afk

Nomore tryharding or trying to explain stuff…if someone has not enough brain to get that if you’re 3v1 then someone else is 2v4 then it’s not even worth trying

This afternoon had a game with forsaker with a totally reterded war in team and pretty even score like 220-250…funny thing was that after dat war dc’ed (Or ragequitted from insults…) and we were 4v5 we 3capped them and won 500-300, he was just going around being a rallybot and we were way stronger playing 4v5 without him…so having someone in your team going afk or leaving is not always dat bad roflmao

Luki.8941:

I feel that you play what you like but make it work Some builds are only good for fun sadly. But you do not have to run strict meta and lots of class has few options so ye meta is not needed good player is

@Trevor Boyer I love Power Ranger but I have to say that is not our strongest build. I am currently toying with Condi Ranger and feel it is stronger. So when it comes to Ranger we are not meta. Spirit ranger also brings more to your team I would say (other spec I have been playing).
Yesterday match on Solo Ranked Que 2x Necro Ranger team vs meta classes haha I could not believe my eyes Mood before a game .. result was stunning..

http://youtu.be/xmJ8fS5exE4?list=PLDSrFjXKFzmmxoJkoSZkc0ro3G8YkDOW-

@Gaaaroth I would say that is the way you start and good idea.

celestial triple survival condi ranger is actually not dat bad…still better than power ranger anyway…

Guess you guys don’t know that only reports for gold selling are going somewhere…other options are just jumping directly into the trashbin…so don’t even waste time reporting something…well there’s not even an option for afk, cheating and so on anyway

There are people who used to run orbs with speedhack (Back when scrubwatch was in tpvp rotation), they got tons of reports, posts on forum and even youtube videos…

And they’re still playing today…

witcher.3197:

xDudisx.5914:

Adding dire and perplexity to spvp would bring the devs attention to the issue and it would be fixed very fast.

So naive and innocent..

PvP balance patches take ages. Cele is OP since 2014 april…

Massive NO to these amulets.

yeah plz…give me perplexity runes on mace sword war

pleeease…

roflmao

Saturn.6591:

Archaon.9524:

Because how would you get worthless nonsense ppl running condi mesmers and zerk gs wars running around like headless chickens 24/7 while you soloq then?

I seriously do hope that the “worthless nonsense” part was directed at “running around like headless chickens”, and not at the builds.

That being said; the word “meta” is kinda amusing me sometimes. Yesterday, after defeating a turret Engineer (which some call super-cheesy nonetheless) with a CONDI Mesmer (MtD shatter)… he kept on raging in mapchat about me being a noskill-PU-n00b (I don’t even run 6 points into Chaos and only have one source of stealth…) who can only play noskill-metabuilds… right; that came from a turret Engineer defeated by a condi-Mesmer. If I wouldn’t have been busy killing his friends who rushed in on me one by one, I would probably have facepalmed so hard that I might have hurt myself in the process.

A condi mesmer is worthless for both being bad (Since good mesmers don’t run condition crap), so they have no clue about how to rotate and stuff AND being a condi mesmer (Usually they don’t even have portal)

so you’re pretty much 100% sure he’s gonna fail anyway, if i want conditions there are WAY better specs for dat…from rabid engi to condi wars and necros…not mesmers for sure

I’ve seen 2 pu mesmers hardtrying to kill a single shout war (not talking about any top war ofc…just an average shoutbow) and the war was just standing there (On HIS point since condi mes can’t even contest kitten) being like..“really?”

You often see pretty funny things in unranked…maybe you can troll something (If they’re weak enough against condis like engis) with condition mesmer…i guess…but that’s all..unless they are stupid enough to 2v1 a stealth spec instead of just leaving a spec with good condi cleanse on point and ignore you all game since most condi bs mesmers have this weird attitude to push far for some reason…even if they can’t contest it

When we go like 3q unranked (Since going full premade is both reterded and not fun) and there’s a condi mesmer the usual reaction on ts is like “Mes is condi…ignore him” change target, bring down all his mates and good to go…not gonna feed trolls who won’t do anything anyway

looks like everything noscoc touches always falls down somehow…

Darnis.4056:

Im watching Noscoc (top5) roll hotjoin scrubs in Unranked with a full premade 500 to 10.

Sounds like MMR should lock them out of playing a pug of people who just bought guildwars2 and went into the mists, but no.

Yeah he’s training for wts….

OH…WAIT…….

Knighthonor.4061:

Come on Anet, why wont you give us more than this?

5 Man SPvP in GW2 been the least fun experience I had in a MMO when it comes to instanced PvP.

I want more.

I know you want your Esport, but just keep that to the 5man SPvP current modes.

but give us, those that actually like variety in instanced PvP, something to play other than these boring 5 vs 5….

yeah go wvsw and try 20 vs 20 so called “gvg”…

So you can be totally bad and you’re still gonna do something because personal skill would matter nothing when you have another 19 bots randomly spamming kitten on your back

That’s how we like things here…

Elitist.8701:

Why would you not play meta builds? Have fun being mediocre forever I guess.

Because how would you get worthless nonsense ppl running condi mesmers and zerk gs wars running around like headless chickens 24/7 while you soloq then? I can’t even imagine a pvp where everyone is playing something decent…not on gw2 at least, not with those pve guys playing for chests and achievements