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for those talking about rifle war

are you even serious?

like really…hotjoin is the only place were rifle would actually work…

war in high tier pvp is garbage, is not tanky anymore, anyone can dodge hammer…if running hambow you have crap mobility and most telegraphed skills in the game, hammer/gs is only melee with marauder amulet (Aka as soon as you’re out of endure pain you’re dead) and still not gonna get anyone playing at a decent level with hammerstuns, ppl can blindspam you all day long…you can have 3 gs/hammer wars going on target that only one plague is gonna disable everything, moa on an already nerfed rampage, they made shout worse than crap and eles can just laugh at you while sitting on earth getting no crits, mesmers can trollkite you around 24/7 while they keep applying pressure on you, you have no team support, you won’t burst as hard as a thief or mes, you can’t roam as fast as an ele, you don’t have nearly as much condi pressure as any celestial bs spec while being also more squishy, you don’t have istant or long range gap closers to chase targets (You just run after them like a freakin reterd), you don’t have nearly as much boon access as other meta specs, let alone active condi cleanses, healing, vigor, regen, viable blocks without losing a ton of damage and on and on and on…

before nerf war was all about rampage (Still have to run it along with hs active otherwise you are just gonna be the special guest into the blindspam party of doom, so you have to try to down something before resistance had gone cause after that you gonna get nothing anyway)…now after rampage nerf is not even that cause 15 secs rampage on 144 secs cd is not worth anymore, being good for 15 secs every 144 and then all you can do is to kite around trying not to get ganked hard hoping for something to go down before you so you can cleave (That is the only thing you’re decent at when outside rampage…if you still have your stab up ofc) is definately not enough to make anyone with a proper brain getting a war in team instead of another esymode celestial

even if i main war and i would like to be able to effectively play it i can objectively say that i wouldn’t run ANY war spec in any decent teamcomp atm…this meta is not for wars, simple as that

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Burning is friggin ridiculous

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Condi cleanse?

/15nakedcharrs

not when ppl can apply burning twice as fast as you can cleanse it…you know unless you’re a dd ele you can’t just keep cleansing over and over again and some of those burning stacks are also instant (Aka burn guard) so you can’t even dodge…you can just cleanse until you have nothing left and then you’re dead, gg

And how often you can pull invulnerablety against direct damage? :P

you can dodge almost any high direct damage skill in the game…on the other hand how can you dodge virtue of justice or zealot’s flame? It’s like dodging incendiary powder…what are you gonna dodge exactly? Vs dps specs you already know which skills you have to mitigate…but you can’t mitigate istant and/or random stuff, expec if it’s also aoe

hope you can get the tiny little difference between those two situations

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Burning is friggin ridiculous

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Condi cleanse?

/15nakedcharrs

not when ppl can apply burning twice as fast as you can cleanse it…you know unless you’re a dd ele you can’t just keep cleansing over and over again and some of those burning stacks are also instant (Judge’s intervention), random (Virtue of justice) or not requiring a real hit (Zealot’s flame) so you can’t even dodge…you can just cleanse until you have nothing left and then you’re dead, gg

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Who can hardcounter eles 1v1 on point?

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top players are not gonna stage a duel…and it’s the only way to prove your point, this or looking at a celestial nec jumping against a dd ele in esl destroying him (And trust me…it’s not gonna happen)

http://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2/v/9456915

2:31:00 – watch the mid point.
And before you say that Nos had high DS, he hardly used it and could have started it with 5% with the same outcome.

He is going to ask for 5 more examples because that situation was an outlier. Trust me. He has made up his mind.

gonna try with exact same builds, i dunno the level of that ele (I’m not na so u dunno the level of players outside abj) but i’m gonna ask the best nec i can find (Hopefully proto if he want too test it) vs some top ele and we’ll see

i’ll let you know how it ended

Ok, how about this:

http://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2/v/10124128

7:39:00

Denshee wasn’t the only victim of Nos during WTS either. Look at 6:11:10.

From what I can see, Nos didn’t lose a single 1v1 vs any other top ele in WTS. Does this satisfy your definition of counter?

Where is the OP? Is he hiding somewhere?

Intel suggests he has gone underground.

Please come back OP.

i’m here kids don’t worry

anyway yeah i really hope to see necros countering eles in europe esl too…would be pretty good actually

we’ll see next sunday…i’ll be glad to see something finally pushing celestial eles out of meta after 1 year or reterdness

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DD Ele/Burns

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some simple tricks against d/d eles to avoid the burning damage. now this won’t make you win but it makes you last a bit longer:

drake’s breath: don’t dodge it if you can interrupt or block it. if you dodge it a portion of the channel will still be able to hit you.

burning speed: needs to be dodged, usually comes right after attuning to fire OR after drake’s breath. (also possible: drake’s breath -> fire grab -> burning speed)

ring of fire: only dodge out of it or walk out if you have a block up.

cleansing: cleanse after fire, cleansing when the ele is in any other attunement does not give you as much as in fire. this is important for example engis.

cc: if you want to cc an ele, fire is the right moment, you disrupt their gameplay and you take their pressure out for a moment.

burst: after they left water OR you’re sure to take them out.

your stunbreaks: don’t break stun if they don’t follow up with a burst like burning speed. if you want to burst and they have shocking aura, make sure to use stability.

This is stupid and gets under my skin (Which is a hard thing to do).

We’re making strategies for “how to slowly die against a d/d” because winning is not feasible.

if only your answer is stupid, how do you intend to beat an attrition build when attrition is it’s speciality…

my post is intended to help people stay alive long enough for their teammates to arrive and 2v1 the ele or to put something equally strong on the point.

with “equally strong” you mean another cele d/d i suppose xD

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DD Ele/Burns

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Or just dodge. Especially when you know there is a bug.

Used Whirlwind Attack with 3/4 evade to get out of Ring of Fire – ended up with +6 stacks of burning.

Looks legit.

U have to whirl while REALLY close to the ring to make your way out of it without getting burn stacks…if you whirl from the centre you gonna get it

But at the end of the day you shouldn’t even 1v1 cele dd eles on war since it’s pretty much asking for suicide

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signet necro is OPer than dd cele ele

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Ele can kill everything.

Signet Necro can only kill things with excessive condi burst.

Nerf Ele condi burst and you nerf Signet Necro while also making the game better. Nerf Signet Necro and you’re still left with horrible Ele meta.

Seems to me the logical step is to nerf the Ele.

Dat had been the logical step since 1 year ago….

logical for everyone with a proper working brain….except for anet ofc

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how's warrior in these days?

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how’s warrior in these days?
Are they op in these days? Or normal, or weak? (as compared to other class)

Thx for info..

Before rampage nerf was kinda viable…now after rampage nerf war is good for 15 secs every 144, outside those 15 secs (Well more likely 7 secs since after cond invul you gonna get permablinded and condiloaded to death) is basically a “run for your life and cleave if someone goes down then start running again” spec

Let alone eles can just sit in earth negating all your rampage crits literally laughing at you

aka

crap

if you really want to play war (As i do since it’s my main with more than 6k games on first acc alone) you must play with this song in the background

keep fighting m8s

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It exists! D/D ele hardcounter on point

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sadly still in beta. mallyx condition revenant trolls d/d ele extremely hard. he can send burning back to them and convert all of their boons into confusion stacks

nah they gonna buff ele according to any possible hardcounter (Or nerf any possible uncomfortable spec) so they will still be able to 1v1 anyone on point (Shoutbow was starting to make cele ele’s life a bit harder and they nerfed it to hell…just an example) as war main watching lypion struggling on that terribly underpowered shout was real pain…he pretty much brought a knife to a (machine) gun fight and even rom, despite being rom, was clearly out of place into all that celestial ele’s spam…

and no, celestial nec is 50/50 not even close to hardcounter + has no support, crap mobility, crap sustain, and pretty useless in tf compared to dd ele

pre-patch thief vs pre-patch mesmer was an hardcounter = mesmer spotted thief coming at him, he stealthed and get the kitten away as fast as possible, if not mesmer was dead…totally dead

now that is what “hardcounter” means…not (maybe) being able to somehow kill it if he makes some mistakes, you have some luck and hopefully full ds

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Abjured dominates EU in WTS gratz bois!!!!

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Not to take anything away from Abjured but ORNG were disgusting in those last games and apparently the ORNG Thief (I won’t name names…) has no idea about the importance of decapping – It was HORRIBLE. I’ve never witnessed a more painful watching experience in WTS.

Grats to Abjured also WELL DONE TO TOKER for playing Thief correctly.

I have to agree with you Collero.

so i’m not the only one looking at far freecap and noone goin there (facepalm)…sad thing is dat in go4 he would have gone to decap instantly

that makes me wonder…maybe playing on lan gives some map awarness problems, or maybe not, forum is definately not the place to dicuss that lack of “awarness”

anyway double cele d/d (Total of 4 bunkers comp) much wow…so fun to watch, but that makes you win so gg for running dat

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How the league system will be abused

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ohh.. so you can get sparkle dresses without being good at pvp…………..who cares pver.. if you want to play the game to make your pixl doll shine and look pretty.. go for it.. you already have the advantage of pve.. where you can get all the good stuff while being horrid at the game.

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Abjured dominates EU in WTS gratz bois!!!!

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LOL at people thinking double ele won abjured. They won because they were simply outplaying and outrotating everyone else. Especially ORNG was extremely bad at rotating and even capturing or holding free points.

ROM personally said after first Temple map, that they’re really bad on it and their team setup is bad for it also.
But, he also mentioned that they’re aware of that problem and they will work on it, to improve their skill on the maps they perform really badly.

Also, there was a moment where those two eles downed 4 ORNG people.

Let’s face it:
- With current Burn condition design and the way D/D ele can AoE Fire fields, it takes simply just 2 Elementalists to kill a whole team in couple of seconds if they’ll place and time their Fire AoE Field skills on specific area.

Is it OP?
Well, tactic wise, it’s a great thing and effect is stunning.
But overall, this system favor D/D build too much and reward is too great for random placement in PvP mode.

As has been mentioned in many threads already, Burn has to be toned down, and the best way would be to bring it back to it’s old design and in the meantime, adjust the new design to be balanced.

ORNG could have used 4 eles and they still would have lost every game because their rotations were simply bad. Magic Toker was on point and capturing basically every single time someone from ORNG went off point – ORNG even often left points uncontested to get kills.

No amount of different classes could have made ORNG win with how extremely bad their tactics were.

they actually won 2 you know…

but double ele is double ele so this is how it goes anyway

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It has to be said: THANK YOU Helseth!

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Abjured dominates EU in WTS gratz bois!!!!

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Now that abjured has secured their win can we fix cele ele?

yes please

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Who can hardcounter bunker guard on point?

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isnt this the guy who asked this same question about d/d ele a few days ago?

nope, about d/d was me and that was pretty legit compared to this one…but maybe op plays ele and he’s just tryharding to prove his main is not totally broken

failing miserably ofc

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Reel in more competition, increase WTS prize.

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I don’t think that would make much different, 50000 is still a freaking huge amount of money FOR PLAYING A GAME.

yeah…right…

http://www.dota2.com/international/overview/?l=english

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Which class is most faceroll?

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From hardest to easiest:

1)Engi
2)Ele
3)Necro
4)Thief
5)Ranger
6)Guardian
7)Mesmer
8)Warrior

This.
Engineers used to be one of the easier classes. As they had the best recovery in the game from Healing Turret and Gear Shield on a 16 second recharge. Made a mistake on an engineer? It’s k bro, make all the mistakes you want on last meta Engineer. Obviously this meta, that is not the case.


LOL at all the scrubs winning Elementalist by mashing buttons. True story, I beat a dude on my ele by swapping attunements and mashing buttons with 1000 ping too. I was in WvW against a level 12 first time Mesmer, dem ele’s are ez class.

Here is another true story, I never lost to a bad Elementalist no matter what build or class I was using. The fact is, anyone can beat a scrub, even if you are one yourself.

True story, mine was in a high MMR queue. Saying D/D elementalist is ‘hard’ is a joke since it’s literally the easiest thing in the game to be effective on currently. Defending it when double ele is probably the most common comp in the game is also a joke. There’s no doubt that Elementalist has a high skillcap, but that doesn’t matter when you can play it like garbage and still be more effective than classes you have 10x the games on.

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i can see where OP trying to go with his qq…

Pretty much anything with heavy condi pressure can safely kill a bunker guard 1v1, and even if you can’t kill him you will never lose the point anyway if guard is dumb enough to go 1v1 on YOUR point (You can sit on it with a thief doing absolutely nothing and he’s never gonna decap it or kill you, just wasting his time)

That’s the difference between a bunker (Tanky with miserable dmg) and OP stuff like cele d/d that can survive as much as a guardian (Or even more) but can still kill almost anything 1v1 while also being more mobile

Nice try tho…but you probably need some basic pvp knowledge before comparing celestial eles to bunker guards lmao

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People freecapping close with more than 1 guy
Going boss at start (Or lord lol)
Keep 2-3v1ing on enemy’s point doing nothing
Losing 2-3v1
Going 1v1 with bunker guards
Can’t press F
Just zerging around leaving points freecap
Keep going 1v1 far and die without even decap
You hold or even win close 1v2 and your team already wiped 4v3 and lost everything (And everyone is just snowballing to you ofc)

And some others, but imo those are the main things that make going afk totally legit under any possible pow

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i can say we’re pretty much 50/50 celestial nec vs celestial dd ele (Still hard to keep point anyway cause nec is overall pretty bad at holding)

not even close to be a safe 1v1 but still probably the highest % for a 1v1 on point with ele

other classes will never get a 50/50 1v1ing cele dd at same skill level so looks like nec is the only one that could actually achieve something…and at least if ele messes something up and doesn’t get the kitten away he’s definately gonna die (And that’s already a good thing since most specs won’t be able to kill him even if he makes some mistakes)

I know nec viability in this meta is questionable but that’s not that important in this topic anyway, that’s a totally different problem (Aka nec sustain sux)

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top players are not gonna stage a duel…and it’s the only way to prove your point, this or looking at a celestial nec jumping against a dd ele in esl destroying him (And trust me…it’s not gonna happen)

http://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2/v/9456915

2:31:00 – watch the mid point.
And before you say that Nos had high DS, he hardly used it and could have started it with 5% with the same outcome.

He is going to ask for 5 more examples because that situation was an outlier. Trust me. He has made up his mind.

gonna try with exact same builds, i dunno the level of that ele (I’m not na so u dunno the level of players outside abj) but i’m gonna ask the best nec i can find (Hopefully proto if he want too test it) vs some top ele and we’ll see

i’ll let you know how it ended

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Exactly, hard counters shouldn’t exist. It’s just not skill based nor fun. The rock/paper/scissor balance isn’t even good for monkeys.

Before June 23rd patch, thief was a hard counter to all types of Mesmer builds. Anet let it happen, so why not now?

thief still hardcounters shatter mes (But only good thieves not those just spamming hs around) before patch any panic strike thief could kill a mes with pretty much anything no matter how good the mes was playing…before patch thief was even more than just an hardcounter, it could eat shatter mesmers alive even with HUGE skillgaps between players (Like helseth getting rekt by 90% unranked thieves while they were just randomly spamming stuff with panic strike) and that was also why mesmer was totally out of meta: before patch mesmer had no way to survive with a panic strike thief in the other team (Didn’t really matter who the thief was too)

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harcounter, for those who apparently can’t read or understand means “Forcing someone to disengage 1v1 or die on point with basically no chances for the other guy to win considering same skill level”

got it now? i can also make a simple drawing if needed…sorry if i didn’t explain some basic term, i forgot i was writing on forums….my bad

That’s great and all, Lad, but the rest of us were talking about a hard counter. Feel free to go back to your simple drawings now.

Just for you man…hope it helps

I’m glad you understand now, Lad. All’s that’s left is for you to understand that Celestial Signet Necromancer is a hard counter to Celestial Dagger/Dagger Elementalist.

as i already said about it…upload a best of 5 1v1s on point with celestial nec winning 3 times(At least…should be 5 if nec doesn’t mess up but 3 is kinda enough) without getting decapped

give me link and my quest would be over

That’s not going to do anything because all you’re going to say is the the Ele was bad, it was or rigged and/or say he was having an off day. You already have your mind made up. Psychology 101.

top players are not gonna stage a duel…and it’s the only way to prove your point, this or looking at a celestial nec jumping against a dd ele in esl destroying him (And trust me…it’s not gonna happen) already talked with a d/d ele friend who used to play in esl with me and “grew up” dueling kervv…and he already said that if nec plays totally flawless maybe he’s not gonna die but will never be able to kill the ele while he’s also gonna lose the point in no time cause no breakstuns and no teleport to get back on it so vs a perfect necro making absolutely no mistakes is gonna end with ele still decapping and holding it neutral and therefore already winning

That’s why, if you really believe in what you said, you must prove it…let alone you need to find a really good nec first…and i dunno in na but in eu i can name like 3 necs that imo would have a chance to survive against a top ele…proto, forsaker (But he only likes power u.u) and leman (Who already left nec as far as i know)

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harcounter, for those who apparently can’t read or understand means “Forcing someone to disengage 1v1 or die on point with basically no chances for the other guy to win considering same skill level”

got it now? i can also make a simple drawing if needed…sorry if i didn’t explain some basic term, i forgot i was writing on forums….my bad

That’s great and all, Lad, but the rest of us were talking about a hard counter. Feel free to go back to your simple drawings now.

Just for you man…hope it helps

That’s great, haha. So if y= d/d ele, x = pretty much everything else?

atm yeah….pretty much

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harcounter, for those who apparently can’t read or understand means “Forcing someone to disengage 1v1 or die on point with basically no chances for the other guy to win considering same skill level”

got it now? i can also make a simple drawing if needed…sorry if i didn’t explain some basic term, i forgot i was writing on forums….my bad

That’s great and all, Lad, but the rest of us were talking about a hard counter. Feel free to go back to your simple drawings now.

Just for you man…hope it helps

I’m glad you understand now, Lad. All’s that’s left is for you to understand that Celestial Signet Necromancer is a hard counter to Celestial Dagger/Dagger Elementalist.

as i already said about it…upload a best of 5 1v1s on point with celestial nec winning 3 times(At least…should be 5 if nec doesn’t mess up but 3 is kinda enough) without getting decapped

give me link and my quest would be over

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harcounter, for those who apparently can’t read or understand means “Forcing someone to disengage 1v1 or die on point with basically no chances for the other guy to win considering same skill level”

got it now? i can also make a simple drawing if needed…sorry if i didn’t explain some basic term, i forgot i was writing on forums….my bad

That’s great and all, Lad, but the rest of us were talking about a hard counter. Feel free to go back to your simple drawings now.

Just for you man…hope it helps

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You read it here first, folks! It’s not a hard counter unless it completely and instantaneously explodes the other class outright, so even Meditation Guardians aren’t really hard counters to Dagger/Pistol Thieves because said Thieves can just run away after the initial burst!

Don’t we just make so much progress and totally not make ourselves look silly when we try and conveniently define terms otherwise of how they’ve already been established? /s

harcounter, for those who apparently can’t read or understand means “Forcing someone to disengage 1v1 or die on point with basically no chances for the other guy to win considering same skill level”

got it now? i can also make a simple drawing if needed…sorry if i didn’t explain some basic term, i forgot i was writing on forums….my bad

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Even if celestial sig may beat ele, it would take way too long to be considered worthwhile in a real game where players can just rotate one dps into the fight. IMO, I would much rather have an ele than a necro on a team based solely on mobility and team support.

Define way too long and worthwhile. The scenario he is painting is this.

At the start of the match a random class takes home point and caps it. An Ele shows up right after to force a decap on the random class.

The OP is insinuating that every class will always lose to a good Elementalist in that specific scenario guaranteeing side caps at the start of the match at the very least.

Nevertheless, I realized soon-after that this was simply a thinly veiled nerf Elementalist thread, so I told him to carry on.

I don’t even have an Elementalist on my account. I was messing around with a level 1 Ele for a couple weeks recently but I deleted after I felt like I got a decent handle on how the class worked.

he doesn’t need to fullcap..he just needs to force the guy on close offpoint and decap it without any chance for the close guy to recap it, he probably won’t have enough time to fullcap alone since tf on mid would be over and then it’s gonna be a 2v1 (In favour of the guy on close or the ele depending on how midfight ended) but until then they already have one point while you just have a troll stalling your point neutral

I’ve never said ele is gonna fullcap your close i just said he’s gonna cross, force the guy on close offpoint (Since it’s just kite or die) decapping it and holding it neutral while all you can do it’s just jumping in and out preventing fullcap

So i’m just looking for a spec that, on start, can prevent this ele from decapping close forcing HIM to disengage without losing close and without having to 2v1 in order to kill him (And more likely he’s not gonna die anyway since he would still be able to disengage most 1v2s)

@Ithilwen.1529 There are matchups that you can consider safe and that can usually keep the point like condi nec vs engi (Maybe he’s gonna get decapped before killing him tho but he’s definately gonna make the engi to get the crap out of there or die miserably), offguard vs thief, thief vs mesmer, engi vs thief, burn guard vs engi, cond ranger vs engi, pretty much anything vs war (Without rampage) and many more..plenty of those hardcounters

Problem is that i still miss the evidence of x vs ele being a safe matchup, i know you said celestial nec but “maybe” doesn’t mean safe…even a lucky thief would “maybe” kill a d/d ele if he plays perfectly, has a ton of luck and ele messes up, but “ideal scenario” is far from being “safe”

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if you are a top tier player and someone leaves a d/d ele home, would you not want to be at another point getting a numbers advantage.

not home, crossing to your close….and you know, you can’t just leave close, i don’t give a crap to their close…they could even leave 3 ppl there at start and you just go close and mid, but when someone crosses to your close and there’s basically nothing that can counter him 1v1 on your point that’s a problem…and also a pretty big one

(Pretty much the same that used to happen more than 1 year ago with decap engis…but that crap didn’t last nearly as long as cele d/d meta)

Sad truth is that, right now, the only solution to teams running eles is to run eles too…and this is not what i call balance, they changed traits, megapatches, buckloads of shiny things, hot coming….and we’re still chained into this crap since celestial amulet came out…any other celestial spec from previous meta got less effective after patch (Shoutbow is not even viable anymore and that was the only spec that could somehow manage cele dds) but ele is still the same…well even stronger actually

Last fix they even nerfed mesmer’s damage (And it was right) that was the only counter to them without even touching d/d or noticing that last esls ended up (From semifinals) with a total of 8 eles out of 20 players…i mean, at this point i don’t even know if they watch some go4 sometimes or they just randomly “balance” stuff with totally no clue

And ofc still no answers from devs whatsoever, not even the usual “We’re looking into it”
Come on, last thing thay said was that they were going to nerf evasive arcana…and they didn’t lmao

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Hi Archaon,

Warriors do well vs eles, both pre and post patch. Signet necro counters ele but an aware ele would simply go back and forth on the point and never let the necro down them.
For certain, warriors do well against eles.

ask rom about his duels with kervv too see if war has any chance against cele d/d then come back…if i say that war has no way to kill a good ele it’s because i know it, and it’s widely proven (And not at random unranked levels…i’m not talking about casual pvp here)

I can’t speak for rom and kervv because they belong to the tournament tier. The gameplay there is beyond my ability so I never compare my capabilities to theirs. Only queue unranked when trying out a build but I usually play solo, 2 or 3 man pre on ranked.

i speak exactly for rom and kervv (And i was already talking with rom bout cele d/d, rampage nerf and some other stuff right before he tried to duel him) cause, as i already said multiple times, i’m talking about top level on point duel not some hotjoin bs…i can already kill 90% of unranked/ranked random d/d eles with gs war, problem is that won’t happen on a real 1v1 with real players, vs kervv, denshee and so on gs war would just be a suicide…i’m not asking how to hardcounter a bad ele i’m asking how to hardcounter an ele played at full potential with another spec played at its best

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Celestial Signet Necromancer hard-counters Celestial Dagger/Dagger Elementalist.

He doesn’t want to hear that.

prove it: get a good cele necro and go 1v1 with a good d/d cele ele on your point…kill him while point is still yours, do it at least 3 times out of 5 (To prove it’s a real hardcounter…even if a real hardcounter would be 5 out of 5) upload it on youtube and post link here.

Pretty easy and you would definately prove your point

Otherwise it’s just worthless forum spam

This obviously goes for everyone saying i’m just whining with no point…i’m just waiting for your links now

And remember i’m talking about esl level (As i already said) so that should be a top nec vs a top cele d/d, cause atm (In EU) i didn’t see anyone not even trying to 1v1 a cele d/d on his point on purpose (Except for helseth goin yolomode)…i don’t care about unranked, ranked or whatever…it’s a real question to find something that can hardcounter a high tier d/d crossing to close at start without having to 2v1 him

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Hi Archaon,

Warriors do well vs eles, both pre and post patch. Signet necro counters ele but an aware ele would simply go back and forth on the point and never let the necro down them.
For certain, warriors do well against eles.

ask rom about his duels with kervv too see if war has any chance against cele d/d then come back…if i say that war has no way to kill a good ele it’s because i know it, and it’s widely proven (And not at random unranked levels…i’m not talking about casual pvp here)

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Why do people complain about Ele if there are also a lot of people in this thread saying a bunch of build can win over Ele?

I feel like there are two classes of players: the ones who walk in and out of Ring of Fire multiple times, and the ones who don’t.

well…actually there is still no viable hardcounter to 1v1 eles on points, something MAY work but there’s nothing that is even close to be a good 1v1

but i just guess you play ele so i understand your need to prove that it actually takes skill to win…fair enough, at least you tried

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I mean if eles are THAT good, that op, I gotta wonder why we never see 5 ele teams in the tournaments as well. I mean if they really have not a single counter, they never die, get pulled off point, it’d just be counter-productive and silly not to use 5 eles. amirite?

everyone already plays with double ele (And it’s the only double class in every single team)…let’s say you can’t play 5 mainly because you also need dps and cele ele is condi lol

5 ppl with same spec would never be viable cause you only have one source of damage and mitigating it you mitigate the whole team…

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If you don’t think Cele Necro countes D/D Ele, you aren’t playing Cele Necro properly.

Or maybe the one who’s not playing properly is the ele…

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What about a Thief? or condi Warrior?

thief is gonna do nothing, ele is gonna cap and outheal everything while thief needs to constantly disengage as soon as he gets hit by some random condispam

and war lol…let’s say that atm going 1v1 with a cele d/d while on war (Any spec) is the fastest way to suicide after jumping down on skyhammer since the only war spec that could fight a cele d/d ele was shoutbow and they nerfed it to the ground (While ele got even stronger after patch…ofc)

Hey that’s something that can win 1v1 with cele d/d…nerf it asap and buff ele

I know it sounds pretty reterded but this is exactly what they did

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Mesmer.

I’ve never seen any other class in a tournament match that’s able to consistently down a d/d cele ele. Why do you think Abjured sends ele to Home or Far at the start of every match? Well.. besides the fact that the ele can contest the point for days.

That said, i’ve seen other classes push an Ele off point… which it technically a win o_o
but the ele comes back 7 seconds later and starts pwning again.

still while shatter mes could be able to kill him he’s gonna lose point after 4 secs…and for the time it takes to down him ele already won stalling a key tf spec into a 1v1 on a neutral point, let alone he can still disengage if things start to go the wrong way (And maybe coming back full hp 5 secs later and decap again) cause as everyone knows dd is so balanced that on top of being basically unkillable 1v1, with awesome team support it also has a enough mobility to being able to outrun anything else except for thief (Expec when running fgs)

I’d like to see an answer from anet tho…what do they think about eles right now

They nerfed rampage (And honestly it was kinda deserved even if war now totally sux)
They toned down mesmer a bit (Deserved too)

but they did nothing about the most broken crap pvp had ever seen since 1 year ago….so at this point i’d really want to know what are they planning to do about it

you know…stuff like talking with your customers, letting them know what are you doing about well knows problems, things like that..

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Not even that, since a D/D ele can probably sustain 2 D/D eles for as long as he wants.

the used to call it…balance…

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Condi mesmer (Like any mesmer) is gonna lose the point in 1v1 and i’ve already seen many celestial necs against eles and never saw necro winning against good eles…same goes for engi or ranger…after some time ele outsustained all of them and they had to kite or die on point

Talking about an ele that can actually play his class ofc, not those guys just doing the standard skill rotation without even looking at the other guy (Considering that even playing like that is basically a free win vs pretty much 90% specs out there)

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Just tell me 1 spec that can SAFELY 1v1 a cele d/d ele on point without losing it, you know if they have a war crossing you can leave an offguard, if they have an engi you can leave a nec, a mes you can leave a thief, burn guard/nec, thief/offguard and so on…

But when a cele d/d is coming to your close which class/spec can hardcounter him being almost 100% sure he will win (Kill the ele) 1v1 while not losing the point? Talking about same skill level…not like scrub ele vs skilled necro or stuff like that…

Because, you know, pretty much evey spec in the game has an hardcounter that is supposed to win a 1v1 on point while on the same skill level (That’s why gw2 is a team game btw)..celestial eles have it too…right? Since anet didn’t even touch eles (oh right…they “fixed” fresh air lol) that means they’re balanced…so now anet, tell me ho to safely defend close 1v1 against eles without getting decapped or having to 2v1 him

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considering one cele d/d can 1v2 thieves doesn’t look so bad to me

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Trap and beastmaster ranger are able to 3v1 easily

oh god…this really made my day

those forum ppl…fml lol

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You are too kitten the balance team. After 6 weeks of hard work figuring out how to balance the ele, they came up with the following. They heard the users and decided to buff ele.

•Ferocious Winds: Fixed an issue that caused this trait to contribute toughness to ferocity instead of precision as intended.
•Fresh Air: The internal cooldown for this trait has been correctly removed.

I still think either the ele balance person is on vacation or they are just trolling us at this point.

looking at celestial eles since 1 year ago i can safely say they’re trolling….they keep nerfing everything else while the most broken spec in the game (Yeah celestial d/d had been the most broken spec since celestial amulet got buffed) still there facerolling everything on his path

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Nerfed rampage but celestial d/d untouched

Freakin legit anet…frekin legit

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this is the usual situation when you win close 1v2 and your team already wiped 4v3…you cap point, look at your dead team, look at other team snowballing at you and the only realistic option is to alt f4, not even afk…just straight out

Too bad you usually waste 8+ minutes qtimes for crap like that too

Want proof anet? Just look at my last 2 solo matches on main acc (Archaon.6245)

Last match before totally giving up started on temple…i was capping close, 2 guys went killbuff and just sat there (Yeah right, they were sitting there doing nothing ffs), 1 guy went far 1v2 and got rekt and other guy jumped mid 1v3 and exploded (While those 2 wvsw guys still at killbuff). Match before was pretty much at same level of reterdness like downing 2 people and leaving them to a full hp ele….and ele just goes away letting both of them rez up

Now please, go look into matchmaking on those 2 last matches and tell me…are you even serious?

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D/D ele are so overpowered
I don’t know how Anet dare make esport events with such a godmode class that ignore any sort of balance by being more durable than a bunker guard on celestial amulet and deal as much damage as a zerker warrior.
This class has everything literally mobility sustain burst condi aoe might stacking team healing …
It’s way too durable for a supposedly “squishy class”
No wonder why every team play at least 2 ele.

yet ppl complaining about rampage (That IS still quite op in some cases) but when in esl final and semifinal you find 8 eles and 1 war (rom) i have to say that rampage doesn’t really look so broken compared to those ele guys doin whatever they want all over the place

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Here’s the link for anyone who didn’t see.

About 2:43, players cursing each other out on the live broadcast

Shortly after that the shoutcaster trash talks the ranger class despite the ranger playing doing amazing as an underdog.

Awesome presentation of Gw2 PvP. I guess we see the real face of things and player’s thoughts. Last tournament I ever watch.

QQ flows strong in this one.

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Do the so called top pvpers on these teams ever comment on the forums anywhere?

I never see any posts from any of them.Are twitch streamers like celebs now?They get their publicist to post for them?

Just curious as I don’t see them post anywhere, even when they or their team is brought up or the topic of the thread.

most high level players already gave up on forums long time ago cause avg discussion level is usually so low is not even worth trying to explain stuff.

I mean…just look at the standard level of ppl posting here, most of them talk about achievements, chest drops, unranked and 1v1s, everyone, no matter how bad he is, just feels free to pontificate random bs all over the place (Talkin’ about balance not even able to dodge mirror blade for example)…and when you point out they’re just talkin nonsense you’re an “elitist” (lol)

Conclusion is quite obvious….kitten them

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no, you build and play for the team…not for yourself. If you want to play whatever you like and however you like pve is dat way —-> cause you can’t be a cripple for your teamates just because you want to have your personal fun…or at least this how it should be

meta = best spec and comp at the current sotg, and this means that it’s the best you can actually do for your team and role, ofc there are many specs out there but if something is not meta it means it lacks some key aspects that “meta” spec has (Always talking about conquest enviroment ofc…not 1v1, crapyard or stuff like that) …and imo there is not pride in running out of meta crap…it’s just a lack of respect for your teamates that are playing to win while you just go there for “fun” (Considering that losing is never fun), achivements or only god knows what

Ppl playing for fun or testing crap should stick to hotjoin imo…expec if they also don’t know how to rotate, kite and so on, rom on trap ranger (Even if it’is a crap spec) is way better than many out there running meta…but he’s rom, average ranger running trap kitten would only be a total cripple and ruin other ppl’s games, if you see top players streaming weird specs and being (Kinda) effective that doesn’t mean you can do the same…because, well…you’re not them.

In a real competitive game like LoL you would get banned in 3 hours for feeding if you just go in “for fun” giving no crap to meta

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