Guild Wars 2

It’s obvious we won’t get 2 legendaries. I am sick of the LS3 legendaries. I just expect something like Nevermore or Chuka and Champawat.

Flashpoint spoiler
Perhaps something with Melandru. Well I am just hoping the gods will come back, so if a legendary would be God-themed I wanna see maybe Melandru's pets or anything about nature. We got Flames of War (Balthazar is on the top), so maybe they will make the Gods-themed legendaries now- it's my big hope!

Yes, they have Duchess Chrysanthea, but apparently she was fighting with us against the biggest Nightmare- Mordremoth, so Nightmare court just rejected the nightmare- everything what they worshiped. xD

Nope, I don’t. Sylvari is the best race ever created by ANet in my opinion. And I am just happy that Sylvari are still playing a big part in LS3 even after HoT and their betrayal (Caithe, Canach). There is only two Sylvari, who are playing any role in this game.

I am just realising how Sylvari will be hated by other Races now… I am curious how Sylvari will regain their trust- there is no Nightmare Court, there is no Mordremoth, so all what Sylvari can do is come back to the Dream and start the new life.

Well, but it’s totally off-topic.

I think Kasmeer is the rightful queen of Kryta.

Anise devotes much attention to her. That’s kinda weird. (in Party Politics Anise was talking to her surprisingly polite and for the Commander she didn’t pay any attention.)

It’s not proof that Anise/Jennah are Lyssa or Kas is rightful Queen, but I was always surprised how kind Anise was to Kasmeer.

I hope Jormag is still active and we have to kill/put to sleep Jormag anyway. (I am still hoping we will have the battle with Jormag/or at least with Drakkar). Then we will kill Drakkar- his champion and then it will be the same thing as in GW1 when we killed the Great Destroyer and then Primordus was putted to sleep.

And I hope we will meet with Aurene (perhaps Caithe taught her to speak).
Maybe Aurene will play the huge part in this episode and everyone will see how powerful she is used to be.

Mavis.1463:

How to fix GW2’s story: Kill off Taimi, Braham and Marjory, kill off the Sylvari (except Canach), hire new writers. Alternatively, reboot the game ala FFXIV.

I will disappoint you, but:
1) they can’t kill Taimi, because:
-she is 16 years old and her career just began.
-no Taimi, no more researches and helping to find the weaknesses (If we would gonna cooperate with Phlunt, then I would never come back to this game).

2) why would ANet kill Braham? They can’t:
-he cracked the tooth in Hoelbrak- huge thing for Norns
-only because he lost his mother and behaved as the pest doesn’t mean he is idiot. He is just… Norn. This is illness who can’t be cured.
-Norn totally deserve to kill Jormag- it’s the point of their story- this is the point of being Norn. I hope Jormag didn’t go to pre-awakening state and we will see the battle with Jormag anyway.

3)Marjory? They lost their chance to get rid of her in Flashpoint, so she still has the role to play.

4)I hope you are kidding with “killing all of Sylvari”. So I don’t wanna comment that.

But if you are the follower of killing all of huge characters, the whole race. Well I feel stupid I even replied you.

I agree with OP. It’s kinda weird that we are getting so many kid-designed- dialogues. We are getting those from the beginning of LS3, but suddenly out of nowhere "Lazarus"’s deep voice appeared.

In HoT we had plenty of mature dialogues. Like saying to Caithe, that if she will make one wrong move, then she will die or something.

Well I understand. But well I did not expect he would be in BL so long. But well it seems it is long for us, because we are getting episodes every 2-3 months. It’s obvious that the events in Tyria are not so separated.

But the problem is we don’t know how long Rytlock is in Black Citadel- few weeks/few days/few hours?

Well I admited that this could be true, but I am aware it could be false.

“The White Mantle launched a surprise attack on Divinity’s Reach. Betrayed from within and assaulted from without, the city fought a battle on two fronts. Queen Jennah rose to the occasion, revealing just how powerful a mesmer she is, and with a monumental effort on the part of the humans and their allies, the city broke the siege.”
~Flashpoint Patch Notes

I still don’t know why in the trailer for Flashpoint there is written: “Evil menaces Kryta”. Still menaces Kryta? wait what? What’s that supposed to mean? It would fit to the trailer for the Head of the Snake, but for Flashpoint? Even if we know that Lazarus is Balthazar it doesn’t mean that Kryta is in danger…. We did not even have any references to Kryta and that something wrong is gonna happen in Kryta. Kas said what was she doing all this time, but didn’t say that something is wrong in Divinity’s Reach.

That sentence confuses me. And I just can’t explain this “evil menaces Kryta”. That’s kinda weird.

FATE’S RAZOR is still da best name!

And btw ANet made the same thing like with Rytlock, they got rid of him and then he could not go to Ember Bay with us, same with Kas. Anyway they could write any scenario for her ant she met with us after 2 years (Mordremoth died in 1328, now there is 1330 when she came back) and then she disappeared so fast… She could stay, she could go with us, she could even say where she’s going. But then ANet chose to make her a coward, what is really odd.

Totally bad storytelling.

Djinn.9245:

Ashantara.8731:

Kaltyn of Torbins Deep.2946:

I like Kas…but someone needs to say to her, “Suck it up, buttercup. Nobody promised you were going to live forever. You’re either part of the team – and that means having my back and doing what’s right even when its certain death – or you’re dead weight. We live in a violent world filled with things trying to kill us every moment of every day. Suck it up and spit in their eye, or die on your knees. Your choice.”

As my last screenshot shows, the devs are trying to convince us that she ran because she was awestruck by the presence of a god, not out of fear.

Either way, that was a totally lame, out-of-character thing to do. Kas would have never left a wounded Jory, not even for the presence of one of her human gods. It was badly written, that much is for certain.

Anyway, looking forward to a god-driven expansion campaign.

This is what I thought – badly written. Kas could at least have defended Jory (and everyone else for that matter) and tried to heal her without directly attacking Balthazaar. Bad writing.

But her behaviour when Jory was injured says, that Kasmeer left wounded Marjory, she didn’t even stay in Rata Novus, she just used a portal to… wherever and she behaved as a coward.

And that was pretty weird that a medic appeared out of nowhere… Sometimes I think that ANet treats us as blinded people or something.

First of all, this trivial thing of words being different is not a thing of “worry” for me. I think it’s just not anything important that we should focus on.
Also I think you use a terrible example of Rytlock’s quote. We hear “Ascalon, I free you from this curse!” and what do we get while playing? Rytlock is taking just a couple of ghosts to the mists. That was quite a huge disappointment for me back then.
Stop exaggerating. Kasmeer is not yelling that she is broken. During the reveal both in the trailer as in the game she is shocked and surprised, so the general theme of her reactions is the same. So in the end we get a similar reaction in the trailer that uses different words in order to not reveal Lazarus’s identity, but still is generating hype, because that’s what a trailer should do. If you feel like ArenaNet are lying to us by basically changing a couple of words in an understandable way (at least for me) then I respect your opinion, but honestly for me it’s ridiculous. And I didn’t feel confused (you put emphasis on that word as if players were overwhelmed by that thing) by any of that. I never said you are wrong, I do not agree with your opinion though. And don’t say that “you see problems when I don’t” like you were enlighened here or something. From my perspective you are looking at problems where these do not exist.

Well now I disagree with your “disappointment” with Rytlock. I think it was huge thing for the story. I don’t care he doesn’t want to say what he saw now, but I read “Ghosts of Ascalon” and this was just an amazing ending of this story.

Also Kas wanted to kneel before Balthazar, than defend her fiancee. So she was obviously broken as I said. It was not like in the final encounter with Scarlet when Jory got shanked really badly. But well it was the god… It’s not fault of Kasmeer, but she left Jory, Commander, that was really weird, but in the some way understandable for me.

Anyway. The point of the everything I wrote is that ANet changed the model of trailers and I don’t know it is good. You can see me as someone who just complaining about anything ANet does, but it’s not true. LS3 is totally different than anything we saw and characters also changed after HoT- one year changed everyone- allies became enemies, the people we tricked as enemies are the most loyal persons now (I am adding “ies”, “people”, “s”, but there is only 1-2 characters, who changed.).

Everything in LS3 is just chaotic, I understand why: 2 dragons, Caudecus, Lazarus, Braham, Marjory does what she wants, Aurene.

And it’s not like I don’t like the trailers, I just don’t understand why the people are saying the things they didn’t say in episode.

The biggest disappointment in the Head of the Snake was that after watching the trailer I saw the proud Queen, who doesn’t care about anything and saying to her ministers, that they are going to fight for Kryta, and suddenly in the episode it’s totally different, than I expected…. She was just “stay calm ministers”.

I only liked the Head of the snake, because Demmi came back! she is my favorite female character, well didn;t expect she would die…. but mentioning Tybalt couple times was amazing and she will be always an amazing character to me.

Goodness I am still getting far from the point of the topic.

For me it’s problem, because the trailer of LS3 give me totally different feelings than the trailers before. It is like Jennah said: “do a thing one person likes and three hate you for it.” I am glad ANet is changing in storytelling etc, but it confuses me, gives different feelings in episodes and I don’t know the generating of hype is good, but well they had to do this, because we are getting episodes every 2-3 months, it’s really big space between episodes.

And for me it’s the big thing we should worry of, because ANet changes and now I just have a lot of doubts it will make this game better, or worse.

After LS2 the hype of players was rising, rising, rising and I am afraid that after this keep hyping people during LS3 is going to tire people and they will be like: “ehh too much hype, I don’t wanna feel like a toy” or something.

MO said that ep 5 was important, but every episode was important and some of them were more important than ep 5 for me. I thought they were going to give something more, some surprises in the open world or something.

But for me the finale of LS3 will be the most important thing, because it will show where ANet goes, where story goes.

I am just afraid….

Ashantara.8731:

Arden.7480:

Ashantara.8731:

@OP: You are wrong. The footage used in the trailers is exactly the same as in the actual episodes, it’s the cut that makes things appear different than they actually are. Just shows how a cut can change the perception of content completely and deceive people.

All the dialogue used in the trailers can be found one on one in the respective story missions. The same goes for facial expressions, they just look more cinematic in the trailers due to camera zoom and angle — that’s why it’s called a cinematic.

No many can’t be found in the episodes (It can’t be, Kryta will not be broken DR will not fall).

That is NOT true, though. They were all in there. Either in cutscenes or other moments during the missions.

Kas says “It can’t be!” when Balthazar’s illusion shatters. “Kryta will not be broken, DR will not fall” all said by the Queen during her speech. And so on. I played all of S3 again just yesterday.

You should play them again or check wiki https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Taimi%27s_Pet_Project
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/A_Meeting_of_Ministers

The question in the title ^

Some kind of magic artifacts/ something else?

Ashantara.8731:

@OP: You are wrong. The footage used in the trailers is exactly the same as in the actual episodes, it’s the cut that makes things appear different than they actually are. Just shows how a cut can change the perception of content completely and deceive people.

All the dialogue used in the trailers can be found one on one in the respective story missions. The same goes for facial expressions, they just look more cinematic in the trailers due to camera zoom and angle — that’s why it’s called a cinematic.

No many can’t be found in the episodes (It can’t be, Kryta will not be broken DR will not fall). They were used to as you said “deceive people”, what for me is just ordinary lying by ANet.

Well I zoomed Jennah while she was speaking during her speech, one of her “reaction” looked like vomiting. (I advise you to see how Jennah behaved during her “emotional speech”). Ok if I am talking about here emotions in trailer and the episode, she is just a totally different person:
in trailer she is: We will smash away Caudecus, Kryta won’t be broken!!! Go ministers and fight for Kryta!!
but suddenly in episode she is: oh my dear ministers, this situation is temporary, so I just have to keep you here for your safety.

2 totally different scenarios for one episode, things to come started to be something possible to come. THEY ARE NOT TRAILERS. How could this man who is creating trailers made something absolutely bad, something what doesn’t give any answer, just awful generating of hype with lying (as I said), if you do not see the problems, you can treat everything what I wrote and the hard proofs I showed in this topic as trash and you are doing it well.

Olveyn.2894:

Arden.7480:

Well I am really late with posting that, but I am gonna talk about Trailers structure and differences in Trailers and in Episodes. Then I will post my opinion about them.

1) Flashpoint
-in trailer Kasmeer says: “What should we do”, but in episode she say: “What should we… How should we be prepared”
-in trailer Kasmeer’s reaction is nothing what we saw in episode- in trailer she says: “No, it can’t be” and her reaction is soft. But suddenly in episode she is just collapsed: she says “(gasp)Balthazar!” They should not do something different here and here, because it confuses so much.

I truly cannot believe that people are now having problems with different wording by characters in trailers and in-game. The scene of Balthazar’s reveal is perfect for trailer of this episode. Do you expect them to have Kasmeer say his name in the trailer? I do not think so. And in-game balthazar has to be named, because many players may not jump straight to confusion that we are looking at one of the human Gods. I completely understand ArenaNet doing that and I won’t mind if they do that in the future.

Well if you don’t see problem, it’s your worry. It’s pretty weird. If they would use this model in LS2’ trailers, then you would not hear “Ascalon I free you from this curse”, and you would hear “No, it can’t be” instead (just for example)

I am not saying that they should put the true Kasmeer’s reaction when she says “Balthazar!”…. But it’s some kind of lying in trailers and generating hype.

You really can’t see the problem? In trailer for Flashpoint Kas has totally DIFFERENT reaction, different words, everything was different, she says: “it can’t be” but suddenly in the episode she just: IT’S BALTHAZAR!! I AM TOTALLY BROKEN!

So this is what I am talking about: IT’S LYING to generate hype.

But if they would not hide everything and do something like in ’Dragon’s Reach part 1’ that Rytlock actually says the huge thing that he is gonna cleanse Ascalon from Foefire, they would make it different and Kas would actually reacts about Balthazar and say: “Balthazar!” But I am totally aware that it’s totally different situation, because it was revealing of secret, so they just used the lie to make people even more CONFUSED.

I just miss the old amazing trailers, LS3 is the biggest disappointment for me, I see some possitives, but these misunderstanding, this keep hyping people, these secrets, everything is just annoying, starting to be boring.

You can focus on possitive things, and good for you, but don’t say to me that I am not right, because I see problems, and you don’t. And you proved it with your post.

But Tanner. ANet had much much better trailers in LS2, they were absolutely great designed. And the narrator voice was just amazing.

I can’t understand why ANet suddenly after 1st amazing trailer for ‘out of the shadows’ changed everything.

From the normal trailers, who was showing something to come, they changed it to make everything complicated.

Watch LS2 trailers and LS3. I am almost sure you will like LS2 ones more.

At least they did not hide that Rytlock is gonna free Ascalon from Foefire. And it still hyped players even if they knew that it will come.

So well, the LS3 trailers are just trash imo. And if I compare LS3’ trailers with LS2’ I am just: what the hell happened with you ANet?!?!

EDIT: and btw- this is the best trailer they’ve ever done in my opinion: Echoes of the Past

I doubt that there is more of them. I found it on Reddit probably.

Well I am really late with posting that, but I am gonna talk about Trailers structure and differences in Trailers and in Episodes. Then I will post my opinion about them.

1) Flashpoint
-in trailer Kasmeer says: “What should we do”, but in episode she say: “What should we… How should we be prepared”
-in trailer Kasmeer’s reaction is nothing what we saw in episode- in trailer she says: “No, it can’t be” and her reaction is soft. But suddenly in episode she is just collapsed: she says “(gasp)Balthazar!” They should not do something different here and here, because it confuses so much.

My opinion: Well these face animations etc are totally unnecessary, and I don’t know why the hell the reactions and words are different. There is not any logical explanation.

2) The Head of the Snake:
-the facial expression of Jennah is good, because we saw it in Episode, but I don’t know why they showed the face of the minister instead putting his voice and showing something different, like they did when Estelle spoke that she was chosen to kill Jennah. Well that turned this minister as the important character, and he was just another idiot and Caudecus’ puppet.
-Jennah did not say “Kryta will not be broken, Divinity’s Reach will not fall” in episode, so why the hell Anet did not add this words in episode?!

3)A Crack in the Ice:
-we see Rox when she is going to meet with Braham. But we did not meet with her and go with her to Braham. So it’s confusing that in trailer she was just going to Bitterfrost Frontier, but suddenly in episode she is with Braham and fights with him. Well it looks likecommander did not see Rox walking to the cave. And they could reach the Scroll while Commander was searching for a sample. So well, if Rox met Braham in Bitterfrost, and was said that Rox is going to Braham when we were training Aurene, so what the hell Braham and Rox were doing while commander was exploring the map. They was doing the same? So why didn’t we meet each other?
-and again Commander in trailer says: “So this is Jormag’s idea of paradise”, but in episode the Commander did not say this! So again why the hell we did not hear it in game?!

4)Rising Flames
-everything was good, but it sounds weird that 2 commanders are talking to each other. As we know we were talking with Asura, not another commander.

5)Out of the Shadows
-it was the 1st and the best trailer in LS3, after this the others were the worse.

My opinion/TLDR

Well I hate that they changed the model of trailers after first episode. They started to add the words who did not exist in episodes.

And I really do not like the facial expressions in trailer, because we just don’t see them in game (Jennah is an exception).

It looks like trailer and episode show totally different situation, things to come etc. I’ve never seen worst trailers in this game, only music is good and make the trailer epic, but I would love to hear a narrator (like in LS1,LS2).

Narrator would solve the problems in trailers, because the characters talking in trailer something different than in episode is just weird and nothing can explain this.

And something more:

Did you see this in 5th episode?
https://streamable.com/zo48y

No, they cutted it out from the episode: why? I totally do not understand why.

In the gemstore update we got Foefire shoulders and groves. Is it a hint for episode 6? Will we finally go to Black Citadel and check what’s happening with Rytlock? ^-^

MashMash.1645:

Arden.7480:

Ok I am hoping that it’s gonna be soon, maybe with episode 6?

Hopefully. Love fractals.

Me too, Fractals are the reason I am still playing in this game.

And btw he could steal the mirror from Divinity’s Reach, because “Lazarus” avoided the whole security system in Tarir!!! So why could not he hack to the palace?

And it’s pretty good that Kasmeer went away. Even if Jory wouldn’t be injured by Balthazar I am sure she would go to the Palace anyway.

Kasmeer is the connection between Kryta and the Commander, now she is “Lady”, so she got back her noble status. She is probably really powerful person in Divinity’s Reach now. And she did lot of things to protect Kryta and Tyria.

Something off topic now:

Episode 5 opened a lot of possibilities where Episode 6- the final one- will take us:
1)Hoelbrak/Far Shiverpeaks
2)Tarir/Aurene’s Chamber
3)the 1st location in the place where expansion will take us (Crystal Desert? Isles of Janthir?)
4)Divinity’s Reach- to say that a god is back and check what is going on with Kasmeer (she just came back)
5)Rata Novus- check what’s going on with Taimi, Marjory.
6)Black Citadel- check what’s going on with Rytlock. seems that the commander didn’t even talk about him in previous episodes, what the heck is going on with him?

Rytlock is probably the most epic character. I want him back in the end of LS3!

That would explain why Balthazar didn’t come to Divinity’s Reach to get his followers.

Well before episode 5 I said that we have not any proofs that Jennah and Anise could be Lyssa, now we have some hints who can say that they are truly Lyssa. Anise and Jennah are freaking amazing mesmers!

Weird situations

Anise- used her clone in Party Politics- maybe nothing special, but this clone was talking to us (didn’t know that clones can talk…. at least we mesmers have not that power, so it makes Anise special)
Anise- in Personal Story she could change us as bandits I think. That shows really advanced magic. (McGonagall would be proud!)
Anise- in World Summit- really weird that she changed herself into Sylvari…. I don’t know the Pale Tree would like this. That was weird.

Jennah- in Caudecus’ Manor- she used really powerful shield, who could protect her from any attack- it’s not normal.
Jennah- in World Summit she did the same thing- this shield protects her from anything, perhaps even from Dragon’s power- this is a theory, but if yes- that would show that Jennah is more than Queen.
Jennah- in Queen’s Jubilee- she was giving a speech, and she fell and suddenly it appeared as the clone… Weird as hell.
Jennah- in Meeting of Ministers- this giantic shield is just beyond everything—- now I am realising that she protected THE WHOLE CITY! Lol.
Jennah- during the confrontation with Estelle she killed 3 White Mantle with one shot!!! That was really weird.
Jennah and the commander- we get a really weird “hint” in Episode 5, let me copy this dialogue:

Queen Jennah: That looks like one, but it’s actually the Krytan Spiderwort. It’ll bloom soon, and its petals give you the most luscious dyes.
Queen Jennah: It’s my favorite flower. It hides its true potential from most and then blossoms into something great. Happy hunting, Commander.

Why does she like this bloom? “It hides its true potential from most and then blossoms into something great”?!

Lol.

Or the 2nd one:

Queen Jennah: I never want to take up arms against one of my subjects, but…I think I might be quite suited for your lifestyle!
Commander: I’ll save a spot for you in Dragon’s Watch if you ever decide to step down.

Lol- as queen? That sounds weird, because giving proposition to the queen to step into fight is weird, even if Commander was joking (I doubt it).

Well, I have to admit that Anise and Jennah are weird and are really really powerful. But does it mean they are Lyssa?? Well maybe we will find it out soon? Don’t know.

TheWolf.1602:

I just hope we won’t see aurene grow up to be an adult, considering glint was older than the shiverpeaks, it should take a long time for aurene to grow up…

Well it’s impossible that she will be suddenly adult in LS3, maybe in LS4,5 or something. She is a little dragon. My point is that we just know how the Dragons are growing up.

Well I was hoping we would get a new fractal with episode 5….(((

When it’s ready? So does it mean it will be with 2nd expansion?

Ok I am hoping that it’s gonna be soon, maybe with episode 6?

What can I bring to this discussion about LS3 storytelling?

I think it’s not so bad as you are telling.

You are focusing on bad aspects of the story (there is really many of them).

I wrote in one of my topics that LS3 has his most important points, let me write the part of it here:
Living World 3 is all about:
1) The origins of Dragon’s Watch- sending invites, talking with old friends,
2) Discovering Dragons’ secrets in Rata Novus,
3) Glint’s Egg- Aurene in fact.

Even the first announcement of LS3 showed what is the points of it (look above).

Lazarus’ thread WAS NOT the point of LS3, it just appeared during the more important things than Lazarus. Anyway ANet gave some hints that Lazarus is not what seemed to be (Caudecus said he is a false god, the White Mantle follower who was standing near Caudecus when Lazarus appeared had the Hound of Balthazar’s shield.).

But well if he was a God- Balthazar, they could’ve do this better, but they did not, well, he is a God, so we can’t expect he will start to tell everything to us- to the people who attacked him surprisingly.

I just wanna remind you that the God appeared on Tyria after more than 1300 years!!!

For Egg’s hatchling we waited really long and LS3 made this event really epic and amazing- Aurene maybe is not perfect-looking, but we have a new Dragon.

I don’t like how you are complaining and saying that everything was bad, storytelling is bad, characters behave bad…. Ehhh, this tires me and suicide calls.

Focus on the points of LS3- Aurene, Dragon’s Watch and the problems of this guild, the discoveries about the dragons (now we have the hard proof that Order of whispers was right all the time about that we have to put Dragons to sleep).

I don’t like how Taimi suddenly knows everything, but if Phlunt would never know about the secret lab, Taimi would never realise that killing another dragon is bad for Tyria and it may destroy Tyria in fact.

Lazarus’ thread was bad to LS3, but it made LS3 more interesting and really complicated. Anyway it was never the point of LS3, just the additional thread for storytelling so I am not surprised that they tricked it a bit like trash.

You can say everything about LS3, but they really made the good story- the problems with Jory, Braham made the story great.

The Taimi’s researches made the story amazing and I always waited for the chapters with Taimi, because even if she is wrong sometimes she is an amazing character, and great thing for story (dont care if she is gonna be like Scarlet), and I hope she is gonna be like Snaff, like Zojja, like the geniuses, who made so much good in Tyria, who fought with Dragons, with enemies. Taimi is just a hope for Tyria and she has really hard task to do, but I hope she will work with Phlunt, because Phlunt (maybe he is a jerk), but he is really clever asura and he has so much to give as Taimi has.

I am just waiting who is gonna die in LS3- PLEASE NO ANOTHER SYLVARI- THAT IS BORING AS H*LL!!!!!

Demmi’s death was really sad!! But well I expect one more death in LS3.

If it’s gonna be a Sylvari again (I will be angry) it seems Caithe is gonna die, but we have 2 more chaarcters who might die in LS3- Rox and Braham.

Anyway let’s wait for the end of LS3 and then say what was bad, what was good.

I suppose we will get lot of answers in Episode 6.

What about the mysterious “E”- we are getting some news from her/him. If he/she wanna be incognito and help us, I don’t mind. I like that we have a mysterious good soul, who helps us, our allies. And I doubt we will know who is she/he. And better for the story is never to find out who is “E”.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Talking works well when there’s some element of trust to start with. However, it’s a good way to give psychopaths an opportunity to regroup and counter whatever “Plan B” you’ve prepared. Faux-Lazarus is not a “normal person” — he lied, trapped our heroes (and Phlunt’s team) in the lab, brought a horde of mercenaries, and… came to steal a machine from us. His intentions were never honorable.

tl;dr this isn’t about “judging” anyone; the time for talking passed long ago (if it ever existed).

Well I found something what can refresh your memory.

In Party Politics we had to prove that Estelle is a traitor. We did, but before we had to talk to her, not go to her and attack and arrest her, so she could say (maybe even lie to us) what she was doing in Queen’s Jubilee. So Estelle- the little stupid traitor deserved the conversation and defending herself, but surprisingly Lazarus did not. Well Commander changes his opinion and everything really fast. But well everything changed when Caithe stole the Egg and then the Commander started to be suspicious to anyone he met.

Anyway I wanna my Commander from LS2 to come back!

So yeah. We used some talk instead of force against someone.

Ok thanks for head-up, but when? When is it coming?

I agree with you, but imo HoT wasn’t so bad as you say. I am aware they skipped lot of topics (Nightmare Court especially- who the heck is Chrysanthea?), but it wasn’t so bad. I didn’t like that the characters died- Eir…. I don’t care about Trahearne, because he was meant to be dead in his Dream.

In HoT our enemy wasn’t Mordrem, not Mordremoth, but Caithe- everytime we saw the dialogue against her- everytime somebody had regrets etc and I think these regrets aginst Caithe hid the real villain- Mordremoth.

The most horrible lack between Personal Story and other LS and HoT is that the commander tricks the Orders as the trash- he has his own team and do everything with them- what is annoying, I would love to get the episodes with the Order you chose in Personal Story, for example I would love to see the Master of Whispers- Riel again (she has really pretty eyes).

So I just wanna play with my Order and depend on them and their researches, not just Taimi the little teenager.

But the Ancient Jotun lived in Arah, we have the Jotun Path in Arah-Dungeon. What if they brought the Scroll to the Shiverpeaks.

When I was doing A Crack in the Ice (I mean the last chapter) I didn’t notice that The Scroll sounds really familiar.

I don’t know in this Forum appeared any topic about it, but is there any similarity with the Scroll, who was used to kill charr and then drown Orr by Vizier? I don’t say it is the same Scroll, but history tells that there is more than one.

But if yes, why we found it in Far Shiverpeaks, because story says that they are placed in Orr. They are forbidden spells/texts. What if the scroll Braham used to crack the tooth was forbidden? Will it bring the catastrophe as another Scroll brought to Orr and destroyed it?

Because Braham heard that there is a Scroll, and we didn’t know who brought this Scroll there. We know that we were the 1st people in this place from years and years.

It’s suspicious and I wanna know what is this mystery Scroll- is it the one from Orr/Arah or the Scroll, who is just so powerful that could allow to crack the tooth, but it’s not the one the forbidden Scrolls?

I hope this Scroll has a story to tell, I would like to hear a dialogue in story who will tell is it a normal Scroll or the ancient, powerful one.

Does anyone have any notes/discoveries about the Scrolls? If yes i would love to hear them, because it really excites me.

It doesn’t work in this way. ‘PvP’ and ‘3rd LS3’ teams work in another mode. These teams are separated.

Personally I think it’s gonna be in the 1st/2nd Tuesday of July. Or eventually on July 25 (year after beginning of LS3).

Current Events were pretty amazing, especially the one with Caladbolg- that was epic and the meeting with Trahearne in the Mists was just wow. And then after years we could check how Orr is doing. And we finally could see the Pale Tree! Amazing job in this Current Event.

But well the last Current Event was on February 22- 4,5 months ago… We didn’t hear about anomalies, rifts etc. That’s sad, because i was interested by the charr Auris Weirdbringer- he doesn’t behave normally, he is like from other planet.

I don’t know we will see any Current Event in LS3, I think this month is the last to put any of Current Event.

Maybe ANet is going to release Current Event with today’s patch? I mean WvW players will get something satisfying and the Lore and PvE Players will get something what will satisfy them too?

I am looking forward to this patch. And I hope it will not only contain WvW release, but also something more for other players.

It’s a speculation. We’ll find out today.

And P.S. I would like to see a legendary designed in the style of Aurene, we got Balthazar’s torch (Flames of War) so maybe they will continue to make legendary with Gods or maybe Aurene as I said before. But personally I like the legendaries with animals (I am kinda disappointed that Chuka and Champawat is shortbow not longbow).

We’ll see.

Well if we are talking about music, so well I would love to hear ‘Fear not this Night’ in ep 6.

When I hear it in-game I always get goosebumps. So maybe maybe.

As always I hope that this is gonna be longbow or dagger.

I am not sure about it. Caudecus’ words showed that “Lazarus” is an imposter and I think Caudecus is right that without 5th aspect Lazarus can’t be ressurected.

But well there is a possibility…. if it would be similar to Voldemort that would be ‘wow’. I hope we will have a lot of secrets to be revealed in ep6 and in the next expansion. We have so many questions and we need answers for them.

Anyway I like it.

Xarbokk.3195:

Anyone else get the feeling that Braham will be so mad at us for saving the dragons that he will do something stupid like try to team up with Balthazar and become our new nemesis? Plus he doesn’t even know about Aurene yet, and while she might be nice and innocent now, that might not matter to him and he will see us as dragon sympathizers . He has been going overboard the last few episodes and I don’t see him taking this news well

1) I doubt a god would team up with a norn and a norn would team up with a god- Norn believe in the Spirits of the Wild and if Braham would reject the faith in Them, he would be banned by other Norns.
2) I doubt an expansion will tell us about the BabyRage Braham- I can’t imagine an expansion will be all about a stupid immature Norn, who just has to become a normal guy.
3) If he would even threaten that he would kill Aurene I am sure he will have to deal with:
-Commander obviously
-Exalted and their Master Luminate
-Kasmeer, Marjory, Rox, Rytlock, Taimi, Logan, Queen Jennah, Zephirytes
-and the one who will lay down life for Aurene such as Commander- Caithe

So Braham would make the whole Tyria against him and if Balthazar would do the same… we can say good byes to Braham and Balthazar.

4) Braham knows about a Dragon (if he knows about the Egg, he knows that from this egg will be born a Dragon). Anyway he defended it and he was ready to kill Cathe because she stole the Egg. People can change, but not like that… He is immature like hell, but well some things can’t be forgotten.

5) I am not scared by his reaction, because he knows that the Commander will do everything to make his ( edit: I mean Commander’s plan) plan work and Braham has been defeated by Commander and everyone will cheer to the commander, because Norn can sleep calmly and Jormag will not be dangerous to them anymore.

Commander just met Primordus, just met a God, just putted Jormag to sleep so Comamnder is a hero, not Braham, because while Norn celebrated that Braham cracked Tooth, the commander was doing everything to stop:
1)Caudecus
2)“Lazarus” then Balthazar
3)Primordus
4)Jormag

So well who is a hero now? The Commander or Braham?

And if Braham will just reconcile with the situation I think he will be most welcomed in Dragon’s Watch as he was meant to be. He only has to become mature, normal man.

I think not. At least they didn’t write anything ‘bout it on the announcement page, so I don’t know. Maybe we will find out tomorrow or on Monday.

Oh Thank You aNet!!! Leg backpack confirmed! Wohooo

What did I like in LS1? That we had the most amazing, cruel and just perfect bad character in the history of the whole Guild Wars- Scarlet. And this voice acting!! The best voice acting so far!

Tara Strong is really amazing voice actor and I just wanna say: wow.

LS1 had great story, but without Scarlet it would be boring. She had milion reasons to hate everyone, and it is only one character in GW2 who said exactly why she was doing this, she even asked us to find out what she wants to do. This is the perfect bad character, Mordremoth, “Lazarus” are nothing when we compare them with Scarlet. I admire ANet that they created this character, this was risky as hell and it paid off.

I am really sad that we killed her, because sometimes I wish GW2 would be like fighting with the same enemy, who sends his puppets to kill us and never dies as we don’t, because we are PCs.

WvW Update will be the 1st part of the June 2017 Competitive Feature Pack and it’s coming on June 6.

I am looking forward to this update, because I like WvW, but the rewards suck, really suck. You need to devote plenty of time to get rewards, you can drop ascended really rarely and when we compare this with PvP or Fractals, WvW rewards can’t satisfy me and I think they can’t satisfy no one who even once played on WvW. 5 mins waiting for next reward is really bad, but a bit understandable, because getting PvP reward take the same time.

Anyway my hope (omitting the rewards) is Legendary Backpack for WvW and bringing back the necessity to do 100%WvW maps to get Gift of Exploration- it’s more challenging and interesting.

But personally I am looking forward to the Legendary Backpack.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Arden.7480:

Wait what? Ree Soesbee doesn’t write story?

Keep in mind that the voice actors almost always record their bits in a single studio session, which means all six episodes were probably recorded last spring.

Besides that, I’m sure much of the plot was already established before she left. The first story released in July 2016, which means actual programming started on it no later than March-April (and the story was probably being worked on even before that). Unless she stayed for 8 months or more after she tendered her resignation, she must have had a substantive influence on the plot, if not some (or much) of the dialogue.

tl;dr Soesbee likely had a profound influence on LS3’s plot and probably dialogue.

I am disappointed by storytelling in LS3 as I said few times already, but I am so sad that GW2 didn’t organize any official farewell… Even on wiki she is still in ANet, so I didn’t know.

Anyway I see lot of amazing dialougues and returns of characters from Personal Story- Demmi, Caudecus, Jennah etc and “use your footkey. Commander”- I am sad that Canach didn’t join to our guild, because she started to be normal, not just cynical. But it’s not point of this topic.

The plot of Lazarus was weird- everyone was hyped because Mursaat returned and then we found out that he is an imposter. Then they had to put another epic character, who almost destroyed Tyria. For me too much complications in the story.

My favorite episode is still The Head of the Snake- most epic and in this episode I was hyped till the end- and Demmi- my favorite female character of GW2.

@draxynnic- using “abated” made me smile.

Ree Soesbee: “The abated me, dimmed my light… They will see me now.” lol

Wait what? Ree Soesbee doesn’t write story? O_o Oh man in my head I was blaming her for this horrible storytelling.

But why… her book- Sea of Sorrows is masterpiece and lyrics for Fear not this Night…

Did she leave ANet or she just doesn’t write lore?

Ok so this is why the ls3 story is trash… no good writers=bad story….

Sorry Ree…((

But by the way, you guys have hard proofs and I am aware of all of them. All I do here is just pure speculating.

And I know you are right with your opinions.

And is we put the words and change “Lazarus” as “Balthazar” this dialogue looks really weird:
Balthazar: But now I see we must all stand against the dragons to save everyone.
Commander: You hope to align yourself with me?
Balthazar: You have killed two, have you not? Our interests are the same.
Balthazar: The fire dragon is rising. I cannot stand idly by and repeat past mistakes.
Balthazar: My actions since returning prove me a useful ally.
Marjory Delaqua: Like when you destroyed the Bloodstone?
Balthazar: The Bloodstone was destabilized by years of misguided White Mantle tinkering.
Balthazar: I did absorb the blast to repower myself, but also, how many countless lives were saved?
Marjory Delaqua: What’s the angle you’re running? What’s in an alliance for you?
Balthazar: The salvation of this world.

It was all said before we figured out that killing dragons is bad.

When “Lazarus” in Dragon Vigil said that “our interests are the same” it would mean maybe other Mursaats, or “our interests” means interests between Commander and “Lazarus”? This sentence sounds weird and confuses me a bit.

But anyway “our” can mean and this and this.

“Balthazar: You have killed two, have you not? Our interests are the same.”

So “our” means that other Gods are about to coming back and kill Dragons? They wanna replace Dragons? Consume the Dragons’ magic? Remove anomalies in Tyria?

“Balthazar: The salvation of this world. " That really sounds as a trolling when we remind about something what happened in the volcano where Primordus sleeps.

The whole situation is really complicated, why didn’t he even say why he pretended to be Lazarus… ughh he is so stupid…

draxynnic.3719:

In the defence of the PC, there were quite a few signs that the Commander could interpret as hostile beyond the deception itself. Blocking the gate. One of his bodyguards was obviously Inquest, and B-guy seems to have done enough research to realise that was likely a red flag. And it might just be me, but that whole line of ‘camaraderie and strategic alignment’ did sound like it was intended to be mocking to me.

That’s not to say that it wasn’t possible that a mutually beneficial agreement could have been made. If the PC had known who it was beforehand, in fact, I suspect there would have been more questions asked before the fighting started, but of course the whole problem was that this was an unknown. However, it’s also possible that tipping our hand would have put B-Guy on his guard – if he knew we knew that he was disguised, he might have been a little more cautious about entering the focal point of an array of mirrors.

I am aware. But the Commander itself should seek the agreements, not just making enemies. “Lazarus” did not lie that he wants to kill Dragons, so wait I am gonna change something in my 1st post that Balthazar wanted to destroy Tyria, I think he didn’t until the commander said that he is gonna destroy our planet.

So if he would come back when we were fighting with Mordremoth, he would be most welcome, but he came back now, and he didn’t know about our discoveries, so I don’t know… I am totally aware that Balthazar isn’t positive character, but he’s not evil too, he just thinks in the other ways than we do, he is a god, maybe fallen, but a god indeed.

Mavis, I totally agree that storytelling in LS3 is really, really bad. I don’t like to complain, but I’ve never seen worst storytelling. So many misunderstandings, episodes work in the way to make players hyped instead of giving the instant answers.

We get answers in the next episode, and then it causes another questions, even more we could expect. I hate it.

In this post I was just trying to change something, try to put characters on good light, we are talking about the god, who came back to Tyria, but devs tricked it as trash and same our Commanders. Reveal wasn’t epic, gave lot of misunderstandings, and a god disappeared, because something tired him… wth ANet…