Guild Wars 2

You have the title and permissions of guild leader and so, technically, you come as close to owning the guild as can be said of any player.

That said you do not seem to be a leader in your guild. Its membership has, according to you, largely abandoned the guild during your tenure. This includes you. Rather than building the guild up to be able to pursue guild related content you have chosen to play with another guild. This is not guild leadership.

If you are not willing to support the guild why are you resistant to the idea of allowing someone else the opportunity?

A guild leader who is not willing to lead and support the guild (a shared endeavor), but holds onto it because, “its mine,” doesnt really have a guild.

When I changed an ascended longbow stats to berzerker (I dont honestly remember which stats it had before) I ended up with both colors of the weapon unlocked.

Probably the same as they think about me….not at all generally.

They sell dungeons. I don’t pay in game resources for others to play a game that I paid real world money for me.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Andraus.3874:

PaxTheGreatOne.9472:

CIVILISED CREATURES still do not ride Animals.

Mordrem are hardly civilised… IMHO. If you could see any of the Divinity’s reach (1.0 or 2.0) riding animals…

Well that wold be different.

Golems on the other hand… Or Charr Charriots and Combat-Cans. well who knows but please wait a dozen years, or more. I do not need mounts at this time…

Like really? Around here the Amish have mounts. I really don’t see a reason why we shouldn’t have mounts in game when in centra PA the Amish get to have then.

I thought the point of the Amish lifestyle is that they aren’t civilized, but primitive. ^^

I suppose it is ok to insult people who are unlikely to be here to defend themselves.

Unless your post was just an indication that you didn’t realize that civilized does not mean possessing industrial age (or more advanced) technology.

Unholy Pillager.3791:

Boon sharing between ranger and pet should have been baseline from the beginning,

This.

Soilder.3607:

xarallei.4279:

You are going say with a straight face that THREE stacks of might is fair? Seriously?

It’s every boon in the game. Every boon in the game. Sure, some have lower durations that others, and rightfully so since not all boons are of the same strength. But still, every single boon in the game, on a 20 or 16s cooldown.

The ranger lot is the worst community in the game. You guys complain, for three years on that the class sucks, cannot even recognize when our class receives something blatantly overpowered, and then complain when it is fairly nerfed and is STILL much better than it was pre-patch.

Does our class have problems, and was it treated unfairly at times? Sure, but several steps in the right direction have been made over the last year. But as I said, this is the worst community in the game. Whining, complaining, total bias for one class. It’s a game, grow up.

Should one who stoops to whining about perceived whining, “grow up,” as well ?

Solandri.9640:

Justine.6351:

What about turkeys?

One of the funniest clips from the 1970s.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNh5W491l3M

That show had a lot of great moments IMO. That is one of the best.

Almeida.6458:

in my opinion PLAYERS THAT SUPPORTED THE GAME SINCE ITS LAUNCH ARE GETTING SHAFTED.

Fixed that for you.

I too am passing on the expansion, not because of some idea of it being a, “scumbag move,” because charging for the product you spent millions of dollars developing is not a scumbag move, but because the expansion doesn’t really have anything worth paying for IMO.

Qugi.2653:

So many people like to fight on forum. I think I should take break because this get so old. “You wrong” “No wrong see about this word some person say.” “No you wrong see about this other person say word.” “No wrong again this other person say this word”. “No I am right this person say another word.” Good grief. Every person take so much time on forum to say I am right about small things. I am guilty to. But get old very fast this I am right, I am right, I am right thing. What is the word? pedantic. Too many people worry about be correct than content on forum. Like I say guilty to.

Sir (or madame),

I was not attempting to fight. I was attempting to help defuse what seemed to be a language based misunderstanding.

Qugi.2653:

Ashen.2907:

Qugi.2653:

You contradict you self in first sentence of post. “obvious not just for halloween but they did in time for halloween.”

That is not a contradiction.

My english is not so good when tired but to me if some person say they did not do for halloween but then say did do because halloween that is contradiction. Sorry I am not key farmer. I know arena net is not a charity foundation.

Angus.5961:

Obviously its not just for the halloween skins, but they did it just in time for them.

(paraphrasing here) They said that they did not do it solely for halloween but that they did it in time for halloween.

For example I bought a new computer in time for GW2 launch, but not only for GW2.

The confusion is completely understandable for a non native English speaker. The word Just has several meanings that must be inferred from context.

Not just for Halloween means not solely for Halloween.
Just in time for Halloween means done in time to affect/be affected by Halloween.

Qugi.2653:

You contradict you self in first sentence of post. “obvious not just for halloween but they did in time for halloween.”

That is not a contradiction.

anduriell.6280:

Mcrocha.3891:

Wildfang.3271:

Just posting this on behalf of my friend, Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 who got suspended.

“Apologies to all for my bad behavior. I will update the thread when my suspension is over which is currently the 13th of October, but I have contacted support about that duration. Thanks all.”

Brilliant lol, our thread leader got suspended.

That’s what you get for trying to help here?

I suppose its all a matter of what you consider help. Verbally abusing the moderators on the very boards they moderate might be the problem.

Puck.9612:

Maybe they’re just falling with style?

You win.

Ryou.2398:

Ashen.2907:

Ryou.2398:

Oh please stop it with human nature stuff dont do that allot of other people do not, its a video game man not real life where it truly matters for something that we truly need hope for. And its kind of your own fault for investing more hours into your ranger knowing it was not getting the attention you want, but coming in complaining over and over like a broken record will not change it. You could of invested time that time in other classes or something else.

Ashen.2907:

Ryou.2398:

anduriell.6280:

Kreed.2768:

Ashen.2907:

Is whining about whining really any better?

I’m just saying the excessive complaining isn’t going to change anything. We haven’t even had our hands on this elite spec yet and it’s already being condemned or outright rejected. If the Druid’s concept isn’t your thing, then fair enough, but you are not forced to use it, so I don’t see the point of repeatedly complaining about the fact that it might not fit your choice of playstyle. Those who complain about it being useless, weak, and whatnot should wait before making such statements, at least until after the Beta weekend, when they and everyone else have had the chance to test out the spec and gather information on it that can be used to back up those complaints. Or, better yet, use that data to give constructive feedback for the devs to use, so that they can adjust it and make it even better. Just look how much the other elite specs and even the Revenant as a whole has gained and are gaining from the propper feedback players have provided after last two Beta weekends.

We have too much experienced in being disappointed with the changes in ranger.
For what is shown in the twichtcon the Druid has all the votes to become another one and the lack of communication from Irenio does it not make us feel better.

The same as i foresaw the changes in the balance patch will make the ranger the pariah of GW2 and i was right then i foresee if the Druid stays with the exclusive healing path it will become the pariah child of the ranger pariah.
We will have the full set then.

Ok I get that but if that is the case then why continue focusing on a class that is constantly disappointing? If you are not happy with it then maybe you should consider switching to something else and letting it go until it is where you want it to be, we are responsible for our own feelings after all.

Because of the human nature itself deem us to hope things will change when there is still a possibility. And because i’ve invested too many hours in that class and is really depressing to think it is waste.
Also because i like to win and make the ranger and the druid fun and rewarding classes to play is the win for me and win for all in this case.

Oh come on, stop it with human nature stuff. I dont do that, allot of other people do not, its a video game man not real life where it truly matters for something that we truly need hope for. And its kind of your own fault for investing more hours into your ranger knowing it was not getting the attention you want, but coming in complaining over and over like a broken record will not change it. You could of invested time that time in other classes or something else.

And if you really like the ranger you would stop being so negative about it, being aware of its flaws and constantly focusing on it are 2 very different things.

You might want to work on your forumizing as you are attributing statements to me that I did not make.

Except you did make them.

At first it could have been a simple mistake caused by inaccurate use of the quote function.

But when the mistake is pointed out and you still insist that a falsehood is true it becomes something else. It is a lie.

The statement you insist on ascribing to me was made by anduriell on this very page where it can be easily checked. Not just a lie but a bad lie.

anduriell.6280:

Because of the human nature itself deem us to hope things will change when there is still a possibility. And because i’ve invested too many hours in that class and is really depressing to think it is waste.
Also because i like to win and make the ranger and the druid fun and rewarding classes to play is the win for me and win for all in this case.

Ryou.2398:

Oh please stop it with human nature stuff dont do that allot of other people do not, its a video game man not real life where it truly matters for something that we truly need hope for. And its kind of your own fault for investing more hours into your ranger knowing it was not getting the attention you want, but coming in complaining over and over like a broken record will not change it. You could of invested time that time in other classes or something else.

Ashen.2907:

Ryou.2398:

anduriell.6280:

Kreed.2768:

Ashen.2907:

Is whining about whining really any better?

I’m just saying the excessive complaining isn’t going to change anything. We haven’t even had our hands on this elite spec yet and it’s already being condemned or outright rejected. If the Druid’s concept isn’t your thing, then fair enough, but you are not forced to use it, so I don’t see the point of repeatedly complaining about the fact that it might not fit your choice of playstyle. Those who complain about it being useless, weak, and whatnot should wait before making such statements, at least until after the Beta weekend, when they and everyone else have had the chance to test out the spec and gather information on it that can be used to back up those complaints. Or, better yet, use that data to give constructive feedback for the devs to use, so that they can adjust it and make it even better. Just look how much the other elite specs and even the Revenant as a whole has gained and are gaining from the propper feedback players have provided after last two Beta weekends.

We have too much experienced in being disappointed with the changes in ranger.
For what is shown in the twichtcon the Druid has all the votes to become another one and the lack of communication from Irenio does it not make us feel better.

The same as i foresaw the changes in the balance patch will make the ranger the pariah of GW2 and i was right then i foresee if the Druid stays with the exclusive healing path it will become the pariah child of the ranger pariah.
We will have the full set then.

Ok I get that but if that is the case then why continue focusing on a class that is constantly disappointing? If you are not happy with it then maybe you should consider switching to something else and letting it go until it is where you want it to be, we are responsible for our own feelings after all.

Because of the human nature itself deem us to hope things will change when there is still a possibility. And because i’ve invested too many hours in that class and is really depressing to think it is waste.
Also because i like to win and make the ranger and the druid fun and rewarding classes to play is the win for me and win for all in this case.

Oh come on, stop it with human nature stuff. I dont do that, allot of other people do not, its a video game man not real life where it truly matters for something that we truly need hope for. And its kind of your own fault for investing more hours into your ranger knowing it was not getting the attention you want, but coming in complaining over and over like a broken record will not change it. You could of invested time that time in other classes or something else.

And if you really like the ranger you would stop being so negative about it, being aware of its flaws and constantly focusing on it are 2 very different things.

You might want to work on your forumizing as you are attributing statements to me that I did not make.

Fortus.6175:

Ashen.2907:

Might want to hold off on declaring what, “most,” players want unless you can back it up. That kind of claim tends to discredit your point.

Personally I didn’t see much in the way of requests for wings that were shouted down as immersion breaking, etc. I mean we have had wings in game for going on two and a half years now.

Most of the anti-dueling sentiment I have seen has focused on not wanting open world dueling. Even some of the most ardent anti dueling posters I have seen have acknowledged a place for dueling in instances…which is what we have now.

Mounts…

Still don’t have them outside of a couple of gemstore novelty items.

Flying ?

Don’t recall seeing a ton of requests, sure a thread here or there, nor much opposition besides commentary that it would be more expensive to develop a flying zone than a non flying one and that it would be expensive to retrofit existing zones for it.

I remember seeing a few strawpolls on reddit about this. Cant find the links atm, but it was there, maybe I will post one myself later on. So yah, got a basis for my statement.

I guess you have short-term memory, but I clearly remember all the nastiness that came when flying and wings came along. The most thrown around lines were “go play Aion” and
“immersion breaking, even the shattered wings already do this!”, just as bad as dueling and mounts are currently.

Open dueling is EXACTLY what we want, not instanced dueling, which required you to go out of your way, without your preferred armor combinations, foods, and others, and unless you have a personal arena, you will have to deal with grievers. Anet tried to monetize it with Arena tokens, it didnt work, nobody likes to settle for less.

Many of my friends and guildies agree with my sentiment on dueling. It is a basic feature of modern MMOs now a day, just as it is templates, emotes, etc

Having seen requests in no way supports a claim of, “most players.”

Won’t comment on whether or not such requests were made on Reddit. Don’t use the site. Didn’t see them much here though.

Wings? As I said above they were introduced into the game in its first year.

Flying? As I said above I’ve seen some requests and such, but not a huge outcry.

Your friends and guildies are mistaken. If it were a basic feature then it would be present in all MMOs. It isn’t. For what its worth, you do understand the idea that just because you and people who think like you (people tend to associate with others who share their views over those who disagree with them) believe something doesn’t mean that most people do right ?

lordkrall.7241:

Zaron.1987:

and thats the main problem with ranger and their pets since release….

people choose them cause of the skin

why anet dont you detach pet skins from their skills?

Because having a pig flying around breathing fire would be very weird?

Weird…

Yes.

Very cool….

Also yes.

No they have not.

For the most part Anet ignores threads and posts on this subject.

Puck.9612:

Ashen.2907:

Cool thing about tinfoil hats is that you can use them to cook with too.

How can you cook with them when they are on your head!? Or are you suggesting we should remove them and let the government read our thoughts? You work for them don’t you?

Good point. Wouldn’t want to remove the hat to bake a potato and end up having aliens beaming mind control frequencies directly into our brains.

Must admit that the mere idea of a Wyvern pet is tempting, but a bit expensive IMO.

Cool thing about tinfoil hats is that you can use them to cook with too.

Might want to hold off on declaring what, “most,” players want unless you can back it up. That kind of claim tends to discredit your point.

Personally I didn’t see much in the way of requests for wings that were shouted down as immersion breaking, etc. I mean we have had wings in game for going on two and a half years now.

Most of the anti-dueling sentiment I have seen has focused on not wanting open world dueling. Even some of the most ardent anti dueling posters I have seen have acknowledged a place for dueling in instances…which is what we have now.

Mounts…

Still don’t have them outside of a couple of gemstore novelty items.

Flying ?

Don’t recall seeing a ton of requests, sure a thread here or there, nor much opposition besides commentary that it would be more expensive to develop a flying zone than a non flying one and that it would be expensive to retrofit existing zones for it.

Kreed.2768:

Ashen.2907:

Is whining about whining really any better?

I’m just saying the excessive complaining isn’t going to change anything. We haven’t even had our hands on this elite spec yet and it’s already being condemned or outright rejected. If the Druid’s concept isn’t your thing, then fair enough, but you are not forced to use it, so I don’t see the point of repeatedly complaining about the fact that it might not fit your choice of playstyle. Those who complain about it being useless, weak, and whatnot should wait before making such statements, at least until after the Beta weekend, when they and everyone else have had the chance to test out the spec and gather information on it that can be used to back up those complaints. Or, better yet, use that data to give constructive feedback for the devs to use, so that they can adjust it and make it even better. Just look how much the other elite specs and even the Revenant as a whole has gained and are gaining from the propper feedback players have provided after last two Beta weekends.

Honestly if you had said this, without the negative commentary on other players, in the previous post I would probably have just said, “^^^this.”

A bit disappointing.

Agemnon.4608:

The ice bow nerf is detrimental for two reasons:

1.No one ever uses it in PvP and rarely in WvW.

2.PvE content will take longer to clear.

I say reverse the nerf.

If the time it takes to clear content is to be the only, or primary, consideration for game balance then all skills should do more damage in a single hit than any mob has health.

Kreed.2768:

Can I have some fries with that salt? Seriously though, this whole “I didn’t make a ranger to be a healer” spiel is getting old real fast. Nobody is forcing you to take the Druid line. Druid gives the ranger something it lacked: group support. You can still keep playing as you have before and (probably) are doing now. If you don’t like the concept of the Druid, just wait until the next round of elite specs. Now that the Druid is confirmed to be the Ranger’s healer type elite spec, you can rest asured that the next one won’t be.

Bottom line is that Druid is here to stay as our first elite spec and no amount of whining, moaning, or crying is going to see that changed; not now, not at HoT release, and not after.

Is whining about whining really any better?

For what it is worth, none of the presented answers covers my opinion.

I am a Ranger player who thinks that the Druid would have been a fine addition to the game if attached to a different profession, or as a new profession entirely.

Bryzy.2719:

Ashen.2907:

Bryzy.2719:

Ashen.2907:

A mandatory in game poll might. This will not.

You will never settle what all Rangers in game think. But Rangers on the forums are a population in their own right; a population that cares enough about the profession to post and read threads about it. Granted it probably won’t statistically settle anything, but this poll will provide valuable insight into the argument.

It definitely won’t statistically settle anything. Any value in terms of insight will be purely subjective and so completely incapable of serving the intended purpose, to settle the argument.

This poll has as much merit in terms of settling any argument here as would a contest to post the cutest puppy photos.

But puppy photos are fun so its not a total loss.

I think it’s human nature to view the outcome (which will inevitably be most people in favour of the Druid) as material to argue a point with. Obviously in the world of science and mathematics it’s entirely illogical to suggest something is evidence without statistical proof, but I doubt that will stop people on here from using the results of this poll to help “prove” their points.

I agree completely.

It seems very likely that this poll will serve the purpose of highlighting foolishness. Anyone attempting to claim a point proven by a poll of this sort will have demonstrated that their judgement should be in question.

Bryzy.2719:

Ashen.2907:

A mandatory in game poll might. This will not.

You will never settle what all Rangers in game think. But Rangers on the forums are a population in their own right; a population that cares enough about the profession to post and read threads about it. Granted it probably won’t statistically settle anything, but this poll will provide valuable insight into the argument.

It definitely won’t statistically settle anything. Any value in terms of insight will be purely subjective and so completely incapable of serving the intended purpose, to settle the argument.

This poll has as much merit in terms of settling any argument here as would a contest to post the cutest puppy photos.

But puppy photos are fun so its not a total loss.

A mandatory in game poll might. This will not.

I think that people might be painting with too brad of strokes when defining nature magic. After all…

Iron is a natural element.
Sentient inventiveness is natural part of a species.
Ergo, creating tanks, machineguns, turrets, etc should be possible with nature magic.

Treetoptrickster.4205:

Ashen.2907:

Treetoptrickster.4205:

I just wanted to know why people don’t enjoy playing the healer archetype. Then this happened. Interesting though.

You are asking in the Ranger forum specifically. This means that, in theory at least, you are not asking people in general but rather people who play Ranger with enough devotion that they spend time in this particular subsection of a subsection of the forum as a whole.

If they had been playing their ranger since prior to the druid reveal it seems, to me at least, highly unlikely that they created their ranger with the intention of playing it as a dedicated healer.

I do not dislike playing a healer. I have done so in other games (admittedly more in Pen and Paper than computer RPG). I wouldn’t be surprised to discover that some significant number of those dissatisfied with the druid spec also do not dislike paying healers. They may very well, however, dislike playing a healer on a class that they chose based on a description that made it very clear that the class was not designed to be a healer.

I think a better thread topic/question might have been:

“Why, after waiting for more than three years for a significant update to the profession, do you not want the first elite spec, for a profession that was chosen based on a concept that did not include being a healer, to so heavily emphasize heals?”

Point of clarification:

I am glad that some, perhaps even many, people are looking forward to what the druid has to offer. I am merely attempting to explain why I think others might not be.

Good point, it could be true that people don’t want to play it because they didn’t choose the Ranger to be a healer. That’s more about why people are opposed to it being so rather than about the actual lack of enjoyment for playing a healer though.

You did get me thinking about how people aren’t fully understanding the purpose of elite specs though. In the simplest way I can explain it, I can’t understand those who are outraged because the elite spec isn’t what they wanted it to be. I mean sure, it sucks that the new and shiny pair of shoes you just got don’t fit your style, but people shouldn’t be asking for another pair and discarding the one they could really use those shoes.

The Ranger wasn’t designed to be a healer, but elite specs were designed to open up playstyle a previously unavailable to a profession. If the Druid were to just do more of what the class already does it would be pointless and would be compared to other trait lines in the class (see daredevil). People wouldn’t even be pleased with a pure DPS spec if it overshadowed what Marksmanship was supposed to do. Elite specs are supposed to expand the capability and themes of professions. As long as any given elite spec works well, is viable and good what it does, will have a place, and is at least somewhat tied to the theme of the base class (in this case nature) it should be accepted. Even if it isn’t the current meta or if it isn’t what you wanted. It just adds to what the profession can do and opens up more reasons to pick a Ranger.

You might not have wanted to be a healer as a Ranger, but now it’s possible, and that is only a good thing. People will just have to wait for an elite spec that fills a role they like. Anet wanted every profession to be able to fill every role to some degree, and these elite specs are their way of doing that as well as opening up new roles. The shoe may not fit you, but if it fits the class… let it wear it.

Anet seems to disagree with you about the purpose of elite specs. Most of them keep theme and playstyle with the base class. They add a touch of spice for a bit of variety but the dish remains largely the same.

Bryzy.2719:

Solid Gold.9310:

Bryzy.2719:

Solid Gold.9310:

Bryzy.2719:

^ THEN DON’T TAKE THE DRUID TRAITLINE AND DON’T BE A BLOODY HEALER.

Jesus Christ what is so difficult to grasp?

Your argument amounts to “Druid didn’t take the direction I wanted it to boohoo”.

The rest of us are happy with it, you’ll just have to wait for the next Espec or – a wild idea – continue playing Ranger as you have been doing these last 3 years.

Like I said, Rangers are likely to be pressured into going healer.

And there’s really no need to be so aggressive, just saying how “I” feel about it.

And like I said, if you don’t want to play healer, don’t play it.

The only potential “pressure” from others would come from the Raid content: you’re forgetting the game modes that are far more significant than Raids: WvW, PvP and open world PvE, in all of which there is nobody to kick you for not being a healer.

Also, you’ve played Ranger for this long while we’ve always had kick-threats, what’s changed? We actually have an option now to be useful in a different way. And that’s all it is – an option. If you don’t want to be a healer then roll a zerker frost spotter Ranger.

You’re whining about how you feel about it. Constantly.

If you want it to change how about offering constructive feedback and suggestions as to what you want to see, instead of boo-hooing like a child who hasn’t got what he wanted.

Still aggressive I see.

By “aggressive” you mean I’m putting forward decent arguments that you can’t counter, so you instead to to discredit my credibility by calling me “aggressive” and offering no rebuke of your own.

Actually he did rebuke you. What he didn’t do was rebut your argument. Rebuke and rebut have very different meanings.

As your position, much like that of those with whom you argue, is a matter of opinion, rebuttal is largely pointless. Ultimately, slinging pejoratives and whining about whining is hardly less childish than just complaining about direction in a video game.

Vayne.8563:

If tanks, as in other MMOs were added, I’d leave the game. No thought process. I’d actually leave. I wouldn’t make a million posts of the forums. I’d just go silently.

But I’d leave, because to me tanking ruins those other games. For those who don’t want to tank we’re not really fighting at all. We’re just DPSing. If the tank does his job I’m safe. It’s the same with the healer, but in this case at least, it’s not all dependent on the healer. I can still dodge. I still have self heals. There’s still things I can do to stay alive, even if the big guy does go after me.

Well said.

In another game the developers had similar requests about increasing the viability of getting and holding threat. The tools were there but not particularly potent. During a, “balance,” patch the devs lowered DPS based threat while increasing threat for taunts and the like. I spent months of build testing to push my DPS to the point of being able, if I so desired, to out threat virtually any tank build in the game on my DPS character.

I detest the idea of foes ignoring the guy who is hitting the hardest, as well as the healer, in order to focus on the toughest member of the party.

Must be monday.

Ive never seen an, “I win,” button nerfed without outrage from those who have come to believe that facerolling content by relying on a broken skill/mechanic/etc means that they are somehow highly skilled elite players.

Treetoptrickster.4205:

I just wanted to know why people don’t enjoy playing the healer archetype. Then this happened. Interesting though.

You are asking in the Ranger forum specifically. This means that, in theory at least, you are not asking people in general but rather people who play Ranger with enough devotion that they spend time in this particular subsection of a subsection of the forum as a whole.

If they had been playing their ranger since prior to the druid reveal it seems, to me at least, highly unlikely that they created their ranger with the intention of playing it as a dedicated healer.

I do not dislike playing a healer. I have done so in other games (admittedly more in Pen and Paper than computer RPG). I wouldn’t be surprised to discover that some significant number of those dissatisfied with the druid spec also do not dislike paying healers. They may very well, however, dislike playing a healer on a class that they chose based on a description that made it very clear that the class was not designed to be a healer.

I think a better thread topic/question might have been:

“Why, after waiting for more than three years for a significant update to the profession, do you not want the first elite spec, for a profession that was chosen based on a concept that did not include being a healer, to so heavily emphasize heals?”

Point of clarification:

I am glad that some, perhaps even many, people are looking forward to what the druid has to offer. I am merely attempting to explain why I think others might not be.

I like having things segregated by character but with as many different account bound currencies, tokens, etc as exist in this game the wallet is essentially necessary IMO.

SkiTz.4590:

so you prefer to make your guildies suffer

You have an interesting definition of the word, “suffer.”

Relieved that I did not prepurchase HoT.

phys.7689:

Ayrilana.1396:

VictorTroska.3725:

ArenaNet, lower expansion price to 30 €. I guarantee your sales will increase so much that it will surpass current numbers with 45 € price tag by tenfold. Just ask Gabe Newell.

As stated someone else, since you guarantee it, are you willing to bet your own money and pay someone else?

The 30 euro your suggesting is about $33.50 in the U.S. How many existing players do you think will not purchase the expansion between now and when Anet does reduce the price? Would the $17.50 loss in sales from each player, be cancelled out by the ones hesitating to buy the expansion now purchasing it? Would the new price bring in enough new players, who would not have bought it at $50, to cancel out the loss Anet would take?

thats what finding a price point is all about, I’d say yes. Especially since the cost per consumer is minute, they have nigh infinite inventory, and each new user adds little in terms of cost.
Not to mention a system that profits from selling stuff to players who are fairly engaged with the game.

Of course its impossible to know for sure without testing it both ways. Truth is i probably would have prepurchased without much questions if they had a lower cost and a release date(about 40 bucks). Now that some places are selling it at an even lower price, i still hesitate, because the info they released looks grim. I’m waiting for some critical player feedback now.

of course we ll never no for sure unless we tested both scenarios.

The thing is that the current approach can be both scenarios. The higher price point is paid by those willing or able and a lower price is paid, when HoT goes on sale, by those unwilling or unable to pay the higher price.

If they had started with the lower price then revenue would be lost from those willing to spend more as they are not likely to wait for prices to go up before purchasing.

Bryzy.2719:

What frustrates me is all the people on here complaining that they “don’t want to have to be a healer”.

The Druid doesn’t force you into being just a healer.

See my build brainstorming thread for 3 other ideas other than just a healer: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Druid-Build-Brainstorming-Templates-for-BWE/first#post5539131

Not to mention Nike’s Mad-Seed Druid build which doesn’t focus on outward healing at all.

The Druid traitline, as with all other traitlines, offers flexibility. If you are a Druid you are not automatically a healer; you are just automatically better at healing. Just like if you take the Beastmastery traitline (as I do on my condi bunker) you are not automatically a Beastmaster Ranger, you are just more effective with your pet.

Edit: just to clarify this wasn’t aimed at you OP, it was more of an add-to-the-topic post lol :P

Just speculating here so take it with a grain of salt.

In theory everything comes with trade offs. If Druid is just automatically better at healing then that came at the cost of something else. For someone who does not care for healing that would mean that he got something he doesnt want and wont use at the cost, potentially at leasr, of something he would.

It seems, to me at least, highly unlikely that people created and mained rangers for the last three years because they wanted to play dedicated healers. This means that the spec adds something for a playstyle that was not part of the original decision to play the class at a cost to the specs potential for the original decision to play the class.

I completely understand some players’ desire to play a dedicated healer. My wife has created and leveled a character to 80 after the druid reveal specifically for that purpose. The thing is that she is doing so to recreate her GW1 monk experience, not to play a ranger.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Wanze.8410:

I never bought a single gem with real money but purchased around 100k gems with gold to buy stuff from the store. If i wasnt able to convert my gold to gems and could only spend it on in game items, i would probably have bought more precursors or legendaries.

Just a little sidebar here:

100,000 Gems = ~21,000 Gold. 21,000 Gold has a real world value of $1,890.00. If you spent that amount on Gem purchases, Anet could hire another Dev for a month.

Back on the topic of Precursors. Since all new Precursors going forward will be Account Bound, will the value of the original ones go down due to an assumed decrease in Demand?

Average game developer salaries for the Seattle area combined with a cost to employ multiplier of as much as 1.3 means that $1890 would cover the cost of an extra dev for a little over a week, not a month.

VictorTroska.3725:

I guarantee your sales will increase so much that it will surpass current numbers with 45 € price tag by tenfold.

Now, when you say, “guarantee,” do you mean that you are willing to financially guarantee this ? Do you have the necessary funds to cover the difference in revenue if your prediction does not come to pass ?

TheFantasticGman.9451:

The least amount support needed will be taken by the most organized groups.

Very true.

As long as encounter victory conditions in MMOs consist of killing the boss the minimum amount of support/heals necessary to keep the damage dealers alive will be optimal. Initially the support requirements for a given challenging encounter will be higher but, as players learn the encounter, the amount of support needed will likely lessen.

Purecura.1795:

Ashen.2907:

Purecura.1795:

Ashen.2907:

Purecura.1795:

Ashen.2907:

Purecura.1795:

Leo G.4501:

Hylox.9746:

my zerk longbow ranger does way more dmg than what the druid was shown on the stream. + my lb ranger has piercing arrows which lets me do a little bit of aoe consistantly. how will healing give me access to more drops?

Sometimes I wonder if posters here have any logic at all. Why would a druid that has access to a lot of group healing and support do as much damage as a longbow zerk ranger?

If you’re complaining that the devs didn’t introduce a spec that does more damage than any current ranger despite many complaints about the profession being unwanted because it can’t provide support…I’ll just let you reread that sentence out loud and maybe you’ll understand the lapse of logic here.

Not only that but that whole “Tether foes to you and deal damage to them that you suffer” is powerful as kitten. And you can still transfer damage that is reduced by boons?

Leo hon, Clearly he just doesnt get it. Him and many other ZERKER ZOMBIES are going to complain like salty nerds. With no sense of an open mind.

So tossing pejoratives at people because they don’t share your views is an indication of an open mind ?

Honey no, people who toss around negative opinions and comments about a ELITE SPEC they have never played, nor tried in any game mode PvX.

So you attack people for having an opinion about a video game ?

You have no more experience of the spec than they do and yet comment in support of it.

First of all no one is attacking anyone. Second of all, I support the fact that no one has played the spec yet, and should not bash it. I support the idea of giving it a chance before you knock it. Clearly your mentality is backwards honey pie sugar plum.

Ahh, so calling people nerds and zombies, and referring to them as mentally backwards, weren’t verbal attacks? Got it.

I haven’t knocked the spec, haven’t commented on its merits at all.

No one has played the spec and so no one knows whether it is good or bad. Praising something without experience of that something isn’t any better than criticizing without experience.

Your perception is your reality. If you want to take facts and turn them into personal attacks against you, then that is on you babe. Clearly I’am happy about the route ANET is going with their new ROLES granted by the elite specs, including the druid. Things are going in my favor along with many others who cant wait to HEAL.

I didn’t turn anything into anything. Calling people names is a form of attack. That is a fact.

For what it is worth I am glad that you are happy with the direction for the Druid. Anything that gives people more options to enjoy the game in a manner that they enjoy is a good thing.

I do wish that you could be happy about something without attacking others for having a different opinion about a video game though.

I am curious about one aspect of your post though. The option to HEAL has been present in game all along, why specifically have you felt the need to, “wait,” as you put it ?

Purecura.1795:

From the start of the game, Anet’s vision was to replace the MMO Holy Trinity (hard trinity – tank, dps, healer) with their own “Soft Trinity” DPS, Support, Tank. With Support includes both offensive (crowd control, snare, debilitating conditions, etc.) and defensive (heal, block, reflect, etc.)

Professions/Classes are not locked into a certain role but rather you can customize your build to perform certain roles better than others.
While this trinity somewhat exists in PvP and WvW (GvG fight with frontline and backline formations), in PvE it totally fell short as current PvE contents are badly designed to favor DPS DPS DPS.

So Anet is trying hard to address this in the upcoming expansion to restore “the balance”. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.

Just an FYI,

Another poster in a different thread just completely plagiarized your post. He took it in its entirety posting it as his own. Truly a low act worthy of ridicule and shame. Sorry you had to be on the receiving end of this sort of morally bankrupt act. You might want to reach out to a moderator. Here is the post:

keenlam.4753:

DevilsVice.5801:

Did Anet forget when they launched GW2 that one of their primary claims to fame was removing the “MMO Holy Trinity” of Tank, DPS, Healer?

Or did that concept go out the window somewhere and I missed it?

This is a common misconception. From the start of the game, Anet’s vision was to replace the MMO Holy Trinity (hard trinity – tank, dps, healer) with their own “Soft Trinity” DPS, Support, Tank. With Support includes both offensive (crowd control, snare, debilitating conditions, etc.) and defensive (heal, block, reflect, etc.)

Professions/Classes are not locked into a certain role but rather you can customize your build to perform certain roles better than others.

While this trinity somewhat exists in PvP and WvW (GvG fight with frontline and backline formations), in PvE it totally fell short as current PvE contents are badly designed to favor DPS DPS DPS.

So Anet is trying hard to address this in the upcoming expansion to restore “the balance”. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.

Purecura.1795:

Ashen.2907:

Purecura.1795:

Ashen.2907:

Purecura.1795:

Leo G.4501:

Hylox.9746:

my zerk longbow ranger does way more dmg than what the druid was shown on the stream. + my lb ranger has piercing arrows which lets me do a little bit of aoe consistantly. how will healing give me access to more drops?

Sometimes I wonder if posters here have any logic at all. Why would a druid that has access to a lot of group healing and support do as much damage as a longbow zerk ranger?

If you’re complaining that the devs didn’t introduce a spec that does more damage than any current ranger despite many complaints about the profession being unwanted because it can’t provide support…I’ll just let you reread that sentence out loud and maybe you’ll understand the lapse of logic here.

Not only that but that whole “Tether foes to you and deal damage to them that you suffer” is powerful as kitten. And you can still transfer damage that is reduced by boons?

Leo hon, Clearly he just doesnt get it. Him and many other ZERKER ZOMBIES are going to complain like salty nerds. With no sense of an open mind.

So tossing pejoratives at people because they don’t share your views is an indication of an open mind ?

Honey no, people who toss around negative opinions and comments about a ELITE SPEC they have never played, nor tried in any game mode PvX.

So you attack people for having an opinion about a video game ?

You have no more experience of the spec than they do and yet comment in support of it.

First of all no one is attacking anyone. Second of all, I support the fact that no one has played the spec yet, and should not bash it. I support the idea of giving it a chance before you knock it. Clearly your mentality is backwards honey pie sugar plum.

Ahh, so calling people nerds and zombies, and referring to them as mentally backwards, weren’t verbal attacks? Got it.

I haven’t knocked the spec, haven’t commented on its merits at all.

No one has played the spec and so no one knows whether it is good or bad. Praising something without experience of that something isn’t any better than criticizing without experience.

Photinous.4628:

step outside of it’s current comfort zone and be more than simply a DPS class.

I think that Ranger would need to become a serious DPS class before such could be considered even remotely to be a comfort zone.

That said, I agree completely that there is a lot more to the Druid spec than just healing. It doesn’t do much for me, and I will be giving HoT a pass as a result, but there are some decent options in the spec.

Purecura.1795:

Ashen.2907:

Purecura.1795:

Leo G.4501:

Hylox.9746:

my zerk longbow ranger does way more dmg than what the druid was shown on the stream. + my lb ranger has piercing arrows which lets me do a little bit of aoe consistantly. how will healing give me access to more drops?

Sometimes I wonder if posters here have any logic at all. Why would a druid that has access to a lot of group healing and support do as much damage as a longbow zerk ranger?

If you’re complaining that the devs didn’t introduce a spec that does more damage than any current ranger despite many complaints about the profession being unwanted because it can’t provide support…I’ll just let you reread that sentence out loud and maybe you’ll understand the lapse of logic here.

Not only that but that whole “Tether foes to you and deal damage to them that you suffer” is powerful as kitten. And you can still transfer damage that is reduced by boons?

Leo hon, Clearly he just doesnt get it. Him and many other ZERKER ZOMBIES are going to complain like salty nerds. With no sense of an open mind.

So tossing pejoratives at people because they don’t share your views is an indication of an open mind ?

Honey no, people who toss around negative opinions and comments about a ELITE SPEC they have never played, nor tried in any game mode PvX.

So you attack people for having an opinion about a video game ?

You have no more experience of the spec than they do and yet comment in support of it.