Guild Wars 2

EnemyCrusher.7324:

GW2 isn’t supposed to be about grinding or farming, so this change is a positive step to help move away from that.

This change does not remove the need for grinding at farming. At best it can incentivize people to look for a new place for it.

Malediktus.9250:

dungeons are 5man only anyway, so the 20% treshold would only affect people with support or pvt builds

Nope, 20% threshold on 5 man team would mean, that the first zerker to get to the boss would get drops, and the rest would get nothing.

Malediktus.9250:

Zaxares.5419:

Malediktus.9250:

20% is a lot in absolute numbers. Just deal with the prices of silver doubloons. I did the same when I built my juggernaut and I would be angry if Anet devalues my legendary. The disequibrilirium was not directed at legendaries.

So does that mean that someone who crafted the Juggernaut during the early days of the game when Silver Doubloons cost silvers, that his Juggernaut is somehow of lesser value than yours?

When silver doubloons were cheap gold was worth more and less people in the position to afford legendaries.

The change in price took less than a month, you know.

JonPeters.5630:

Keelin.5781:

Wow. Just wow.

“Oh most engineers take this trait. This limits build variety. Let’s make it harder to get”

How do you arrive at this instead of :

“Oh most engineers take this trait. Maybe the other traits are just really bad compared to it – we should balance things”

This is hopeless.

If all we do is take the worst traits and buff them, then every patch everything gets stronger and eventually the game is broken. The word balance literally means reaching an equilibrium which is in between two end points. This means that in order to reach it things must assuredly go up and down.

A valid point. Class balance should, however, be taken first on interclass level. Balancing each class internally (and separately) should always be secondary to that.

cranked.3812:

I think the biggest reason is cost balance.

If it cost 3 skill points, who would ever buy it from Marjory for 250 pristine spores and 5 gold? It would have to be like 25 spores and 20 silver or something to balance out.

And why would that be bad? Because it sure as hell isn’t worth the cost now.

Qaelyn.7612:

The fact that the champ trains still seem to be running full tilt suggests that the “nerfing” isn’t nearly as kittenome suggest.

It’s still a ridiculously easy way to get a lot of loot with pretty much zero risk or time investment.

Yeah, because running the train hour after hour obviously requires zero time investment[/sarcasm]

Malediktus.9250:

20% is a lot in absolute numbers. Just deal with the prices of silver doubloons. I did the same when I built my juggernaut and I would be angry if Anet devalues my legendary. The disequibrilirium was not directed at legendaries.

You are saying that there was no sudden increase in silver doubloon price lately? I must have been seeing things then.

If i haven’t been seeing things, though, and doubloons did increase in price dramatically, then there is no reason why they could not drop back closer to earlier levels.

joshc.3129:

I have 2 lvl 80- characters and have done several high end champion events over the past few days and have yet had any Bloodstone Dust drop.

I’m not sure this is even possible. Every champ box (when opened on a level 80 character) comes with bloodstone dust drop (even if the numbers of dust just got nerfed). Every champion drops a guaranteed champ box.

The only exception are some of the champions that spawn during world boss events, and champion hallucinations from the new toxic patch.

It’s obviously a scaffolding that holds up the cardboard decorations.

You mean the Labyrynthine horror, right? Lich spawns on the other side of the map.

Dawdler.8521:

If one CC from a mob can easily kill you, you’re either packing too little cleansing or have very weak armor/low HP.

Or you got cc’d right before a candy shower. That happens, you know.

Phyxrgon.7305:

First it was the crying for dungeon farming nerf… now there’s crying for champ farming nerf?!

There are people on these forums that do not want anyone to get anything nice (ever, if possible), and can’t understand that not everyone wanst to be miserable.

Dawdler.8521:

Its always extremely fun to watch that fight since its nearly impossible to die if you actually do the boss fight as its supposed to be played.

Untrue. You forget that there are always other mobs nearby. One cc from a skeleton or mummy may easily kill you in that fight if it comes in a bad moment. And as you can see there are two events running in the same place.

You mean the Dragon Bash helmet skin? Light and medium versions look exactly the same as the heavy one.

KingClash.3186:

Flipping actually takes money out of the economy (the TP has taxes..) explain to me how removing money from the economy causes inflation lol.

The prices on TP (which effect inflation) are based not on the total amount of gold in economy, but on the amount of gold that ends up in the top few percent of players. Especially when we consider the more costly things, like rare skins, precursors etc. As far as uneven distribution of wealth go, flipping has always been the primary cause, with everything else being far, far second to it. Nerfing farm spots only makes sure that no non-flippers would ever be able to get in the same financial zone.

It’s 8 copper now. The price will go up, just as the price for metal and wood went up when weapon crafting hit.

EdgarMTanaka.7291:

Okay I am not realy a casual gamer but

Exactly. You are not. And there are far more casual players in this game than players with thousands of SPs. Optimizing everything in this game for a tiny minority was, is and will always be a very bad idea.

Sirendor.1394:

Azure.8670:

good nerf. champ farming is corny but effective. looks like world events might actually get done now

I agree. Farming shouldn’t be the objective in this game.

What one has to do with the other? People moving their farm from onespot to the other will not change the fact that they will still be farming. And they will, because nothing in that nerf addressed the reason why they were farming. Remember, those same people once did do dynamic events – until those got nerfed.

Malediktus.9250:

25 SP is not much, I got over one thousand (1190 to be exact) on my main and that after several legendaries and other skillpoint recipes.

Because the price of skills available to everyone should be based on number of skillpoints that less than 0.1% of GW2 players posess, to completely keep them out of reach of any new players. Brilliant.

JonPeters.5630:

Starfall.6813:

JonPeters.5630:

Symbol of Swiftness
To clarify the new Symbol of Swiftness will give you 4 seconds of Swiftness every single pulse regardless of if you have swiftness or not. This is a improvement in many situations and a slight loss in the situation where you were using the Symbol as just a one time buff. I think this makes it feel more like a Symbol, which is good. We are still discussing the idea of it being 5 seconds, but there is some danger of that going pretty high with boon duration.

Jon,

I like a lot of where you’re going with the Guardian here, but I am a little concerned about the Symbol of Swiftness change. Not as a matter of balance but just as a quality of life issue. 4 seconds of swiftness on a 15 second cooldown is pretty much useless as a means of traveling for a solo Guardian, and the symbol is one of the better ways for Guardians to get around. Having to stop and stand in the symbol to get the full ticks of swiftness while traveling long distance is just going to be counter productive and annoying. And I don’t like the idea that this skill is being balanced around the zerg rather than solo players who probably are only running one source of swiftness to begin with.

Math wise you can now sit in the symbol for 3 seconds with boon duration and end up with 9 seconds of swiftness which is more than you would have had before. I do still think it may need to be 5 seconds to account for the fact that you only get it every second so by the time you get the second one you have lost 1s of the first one.

Jon

Staff no. 3 is currently the primary mobility skill for guardians (and additionally mobility is its primary use). When used for this purpose, you are not going to stop and wait for more pulses – which means that the usefulness of that skill has been just severely nerfed for it’s main purpose. That’s what Starfall was commenting on.
Being able to get a better buff when standing still does not affect this in the slightest.

Get rares and start farming mats for ascended. Weapons are already in, and armors will likely be either in next patch, or the patch after it. There’s no point in investing too much in a stuff that is no longer BiS.

Behellagh.1468:

You don’t think that ANet watches how players play and if gameplay devolves into something they disapprove of they will change the reason that style of gameplay popped up in the first place?

No, i don’t, because they didn’t change that reason. People were farming champs, because everything in this game requires farming now, and champs were the best spot for it. If champ trains will stop being the best choice, the farm zerg will move elsewhere, but the main reason it exists remains still unchanged.
Anet is trying to fix the symptoms of the problem, but consistently ignores it’s underlying cause.

hihey.1075:

Tarn.1374:

hihey.1075:

Tarn.1374:

Oh how quickly Anet forgets about the newer players in the game…. Like usual, very disappointing.

They’re obsessed with balancing the economy I think. Why I don’t know, nothing they’ve done has stopped it in any way going the same way as every other MMO’s economy. They tried, I’ll give them that, and it’s great that they did. But changes like this do more harm than good. e.g. once again hurting the newer player, how very sad.

It will just take 5-6 hours of play (regardless of the game mode played – either PvE or WvW) to get a full stack of Silk to a “new” lv80 player, so this change will not affect anything at all.

Sorry? Your maths is extremely flawed there, but I’ll say no more.

If you salvage everything, yeah, those are the results.
One night of raiding with my guild in WvW (4hours) gave me around 200 pieces of Silk Scrap.
That’s my math.

That’s not “regardless of the game modes”. That’s WvW loot bags gotten through a WvW farm train. Please, don’t assume everywhere else is the same. And that “every game mode” means “farming”.
Besides, see the estimated requirements for a set of gear in my post above.

lordkrall.7241:

Incorrect.
People have beaten him with about 7 minutes left, which would imply that a group with less than lvl 80 exotic would be very much able to kill him in 15.

Those were people mostly clad in proper gear (dedicated guilds, remember), using most effective buffs, and heavily overusing ember spawns. In fact, most of that 7 minutes gained is due to ember spawns alone. I am pretty sure that Teq design was not calculated with those in mind.

Alukah.2063:

I have to assume that many of you missed or chose not to read this thread, but here’s something to highlight:

BobbyStein.2315:

• Pacing: …we made the conscious decision to pace out her character development over multiple game builds. In other words, we haven’t gotten to that part of her story yet, but since nobody outside the building has an idea of what’s to come I can understand the reactions that she’s “one-dimensional” or conveniently powerful. We’re aware of the perception and feel that future releases will have content that develops her character.

“we haven’t gotten to that part of her story yet”

Want it shorter? Here: be patient.

If the feedback was that her story is developing too slow I’d fully agree, but you guys are criticizing a content in development as if it was the finished product.

That’s because those parts that we got seem so bad that i really doubt they can be fixed with future changes and additions. And make no mistake – it would be fixing, and not the case of us “not knowing the whole story yet”.

hihey.1075:

Tarn.1374:

Oh how quickly Anet forgets about the newer players in the game…. Like usual, very disappointing.

They’re obsessed with balancing the economy I think. Why I don’t know, nothing they’ve done has stopped it in any way going the same way as every other MMO’s economy. They tried, I’ll give them that, and it’s great that they did. But changes like this do more harm than good. e.g. once again hurting the newer player, how very sad.

It will just take 5-6 hours of play (regardless of the game mode played – either PvE or WvW) to get a full stack of Silk to a “new” lv80 player, so this change will not affect anything at all.

By my estimates, unless the requirements will differ significantly from what we have seen for weapons, it would take between 6 to 12 full stacks of refined silk for a set of light armor. That is 18 to 36 full stacks of scraps. This is a massive grind, much, much higher than it was the case for mithril.
Even before that last change it would have been 12 to 24 full stacks – the change just made an already bad situation even worse.

Doggie.3184:

Even if used for ascended they probably wouldn’t change the drop rate from salvage so doesn’t matter.

It will likely be 50 bolts of silk to create a spool of silk woven thread (which would be used to make a bolt of damask). You will likely use 5-10 bolts of damask per one tailoring piece (depending on how much insignias will use), and 1-5 per medium and heavy one (plus leather/metal). There are 6 pieces for a set of armor.
That’s potentially up to 12 stacks of refined silk for a set of light armor. Which is 36 full stacks of silk scraps.
The drop rate is nowhere that good.

Relair.1843:

I think it is awesome that the mobs run to their buddies to try and revive them before they die, and you can’t just faceroll everything in a zerg without a second thought.

You can’t? And here i thought that all the mobs running to the same spot to revive a downed one make it even easier to kill them.

Edgar Doiron.2804:

I thought the dragons were only there to suck back the excess magic in the world…

If that was true, they would not be the primary antagonists. Unfortunately for those living in this era, it seems they are also a force of unbridled destruction, that is aimed at eliminating all civilized (and not so civilized) races. Risen, Branded, Icebrood, Destroyers… all of them have on thing in common – they attack and kill on sight (or corrupt into mindless minions) everything that is not them.

Thrumdi.9216:

Actually, there was interview with Johansen where he said their “core player” was the guy who only had an hour to play each day.

Which is why the daily timegates total to far more than an hour. Yeah, right.

Warcry.1596:

In WvW zergs, this skill will probably do rather amazing… have enough organization and enough casts, can keep a full zerg healthy for a long time. Zerg of 40 would mean that only 8 people would have to cast it to receive a 4000 heal, staggered over 6 seconds each you’re essentially getting 4000 health and curing 3 conditions every 6 seconds.

It heals only you. Only condition cleansing is AoE.

BobbyStein.2315:

Scarlet
If memory serves me, we foreshadowed Scarlet’s existence through a comment Mai Trin made during one of the summer releases. This got some folks speculating on who she was, her part in all the attacks, etc. Scarlet debuted in August during the Queen’s Jubilee and has continued to make appearances here and there that slowly reveal her role in the overall plot.

The operative word here is “slowly” and judging from all the responses, many feel that the plot is moving ahead at a glacial pace. That Scarlet is nothing more than a cardboard cutout villain.

I will readily acknowledge that her presentation has elicited some strong reactions in the community. Some people love her. Others hate her. While that kind of polarizing view can sometimes be an asset, it brings some polarizing baggage to the conversation every time her name is brought up. Here’s where I think we could have done a better job with her.

• Tone: Scarlet is crazy, but she sometimes comes off as over-the-top and madcap. While that works in a lot of scenarios, it’s not something that’s been extensively explored inside of Guild Wars 2 before. There is a reason to her madness but we haven’t revealed it yet. Perhaps it would have suited her character better to have shown that somewhere alongside her introduction. Scope had something to do with it in her debut, but honestly we knew she would be featured in multiple future releases so…

• Pacing: …we made the conscious decision to pace out her character development over multiple game builds. In other words, we haven’t gotten to that part of her story yet, but since nobody outside the building has an idea of what’s to come I can understand the reactions that she’s “one-dimensional” or conveniently powerful. We’re aware of the perception and feel that future releases will have content that develops her character.

Those are unfortunately not the main problems with Scarlet. Yes, the problems you have mentioned are important, but they are not what make her a “cardboard cutout villain”.

It’s the effect of putting the cart before the horse. Instead of making a villain, designing her personality and goals, her abilities and resources (with a reasonable explanation where she gets those resources), and then deciding what she can achieve with those resources in order to get to her goal, it seems you are doing it the other way around. Thinking what she can do, then making up (or not) resources for that. Without even caring whether her posessing those resources is reasonable or not.

Let’s look at the current Toxic Alliance as an example.

We have an alliance between Krait and Nightmare Court, that serves some mysterious (and completely unknown to us) goals of Scarlet. To explain how this alliance came into being, obelisk shards were introduced. There is no explanation how they ended in Scarlet hands. There is no real explanation why Krait didn’t pursue other, more traditional for them means of obtaining those. No, the shards exist only to serve as a handwave explanation for the current story arc.

It certainly look like the alliance was designed first, and the means to forge it were made second. We can also only hope, that what they are doing does mesh somehow with Scarlet plans in some way.

Of course, at least this time there was an attempt to explain it at all, so it’s already an improvement to what was going on before. It still looks like someone just threw the dice to decide what next 2 groups would be merged in alliance this time.

Not to mention that her plan so far looks like going the “we’ll think something up later. And since she’s mad she doesn’t have to act logical, does she?” way.

This is not the problem of information pacing. This is a problem of setting consistency, story consistency, internal logic and general believability.

And it’s currently so bad, that i don’t believe anymore that it can be fixed somehow in further parts of the story arc.

TL/DR:
there’s a nice quote i heard somewhere: “A difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense”. Your fiction doesn’t, and this is something you need to work on first.

Galen Grey.4709:

The cost isnt that high if you do the gathering yourself. it takes what crafting 20 exotic weapons? thats 24 ancient planks, 15 ori, 5 ectos and 5 t6 mats

You sure you did your calculations right? it’s 5 ori dowels per inscription, with the average 2-3 planks added for the weapon itself.
Oh wait, you meant for one weapon. x20 is 480 planks, 300 ori, 100 ectos and 100 mats.
Definitely not 30 mins of farming.

Gratz. This should not however be considered a baseline for material consumption.

Aberrant.6749:

Maverick Holix.1382:

again WTH are you pve babies crying about Silk and Thick leather FLOOD the market,grow a pair and buy another one for 3-10 coppers. And even if the overall price rises, it is after all a T5 Mat…………So much crying over nothing literally.

This.

Consider that you can go out and farm mithril nodes and they are 30c ea ingot. Yet so much leather/silk has flooded the market without any nodes. It might actually give it some value eventually now. Silk is 9c each scrap (2c above npc) and leather is still 1c above npc price atm btw… so this shouldn’t bankrupt anyone to say the least.

That’s only because ascended armor crafting is not in yet. When people will start raising tailor/leatherworker to 500, the prices are going to skyrocket.
Exactly like it happened with metal and wood already.

Pifil.5193:

Ohoni.6057:

Agreed, I do not like having to finish PvE enemies. At the very least, give them next to no downed HP, so that they can be DPSed down within seconds.

Actually, they were being DPSed down in seconds on my server. I think one of the reasons why you have to defeat them once downed is to give people time to get hits in so they are credited for the kill.

Which is actually very funny – if you attempt to finish a downed enemy, and he gets dps-killed before you finish, you will get no credit for it. Meaning, if you want to tag a mob, don’t even try using finishers, just continue to spam 1. If you are in a zerg, the mob will die faster to damage anyway.

Mickey Frogeater.1470:

jweez.7214:

Zalani.9827:

Mickey Frogeater.1470:

We could also use Margonites…. And Palawa Joko’s armies…. The Jade Brotherhood…. And the Canthan Empire(that’s if the current Emperor isn’t xenophobic like Emperor Usoku was)……

There was some lore stating that cantha was pretty Isolationist now…

Doesn’t matter because the Krait are also xenophobic but Scarlet is such a master negotiator she was able to merge the Krait and Nightmare court into a formidable opponent.

I bet Scarlet could do magical things for the bickering between republicans and democrats.

Technically she could usurp the imperial throne…..

Usurp? You mean she is not the prophecied reincarnation of the founder of their Empire?

coglin.1867:

I am curious how this will hurt conditions engineers for example, with every player in the game now being able to cleanse the damage from pistol #2, pistol #3, elixir gun #3, grenade #5, bomb #3, and tool kit #3.

It will either change nothing (in case of people not using those skills), or make the targets easier to kill (due to weaker healing). You have nothing to worry about.

Tamaki Revolution.3548:

I delete both if my collection tab is full. Doubt I’ll notice a grind for them.

If the weapons are any indication, a single piece of armor might use more than one stack of refined t5. Especially for Cloth/leather ones (heavy might replace some of those with metal).
Yeah. If you will try to craft those, you will most likely notice the grind.

Elias.3204:

Now, some months have passed, and I was wondering if the classes were any closer to being balanced?

Not only that did not happen, but there were continued attempts to make some of them even less balanced.

Sola.7250:

It says: It can be used to obtain a skill point and to charge Quartz Crystals once per day.

That imply’s you can mine Skill Points of 1 per day!!

Nope, most likely it is:
It can be used to “obtain a skill point” and to “charge Quartz Crystals once per day”. Once per day likely applies only to the quartz.

This is weird. You should be able to mine one type of resource once per day across all characters and home instances (so once for quartz, once for candy corn). It shouldn’t matter if you used the same character, or different one, the same or different instances – you should not be able to mine anything twice on the same day. Unless you did it once before reset, and once after reset.

Lpfan.3578:

She’s a great detective, she’s a good necromancer, and she knows a lot about poison… does that really sound so crazy?

Well, the previous event when she showed up made me think she was rather poor necromancer, with no abilities whatsoever. This is the first time someone mentioned she’s competent at anything.
Her being smarter than Logan did not say much – after all, pretty much anyone is smarter than Logan.

(just to be clear – i agree with you that she’s no Mary Sue. I just don’t consider her one for a different reason).

Mickey Frogeater.1470:

All that’s left are the Sons of Svanir

Also abovementioned Mursaat and Centaurs, human separatists, white mantle, ogres, jotun, and (for the greatest laugh) largos (which are not evil per se, but can be simply hired as assassins). And steam creatures, already part of her forces, are still not paired with anything.
I’d also wonder, if the anti-human tendencies of some tengu tribes still exist in the Dominion of Winds.
Of couse, we can also always just make something up on the fly. Or use Skritt.

Watch out, she may yet ruin the Grand Return of the Mursaat.

Tommyknocker.6089:

Did you ever stop and think that in order to do the Halloween finisher achievment some people didn’t want to go into either WvW or the heart of the mists?

Yes, i did, so i checked – they don’t give points for that achievement.

Mickey Frogeater.1470:

They sacrifice their slaves for one purpose:

To increase their Prophets’ armies!

By giving them the means to bring the Prophets back Scarlet has proven her race as worthy of being the the ones helping the Oratuss and Krait summon the Prophets and be among the first wave of the Prophets’ great army.

And which is why, instead of subjugating Nightmare and Scarlet, they allow her to order them around? And treat Nightmare Court not as an expendable, inferior battle fodder, but as equals?
That… doesn’t sound right.

Redenaz.8631:

Parlourbeatflex.5970:

They believe other, lesser races have nothing to offer them, so the krait never bother to communicate with them. Never beaten, they are convinced that they are blessed and elevated: the superior species in the world.

The living story explains that whoever is pulling the strings (Scarlet, probably,) found something to offer them: Krait obelisk shards. The Krait might not like working with the Nightmare Court in return for them, but they do have a reasonably explained motive.

You seem to have missed the most relevant part of the post above:

The krait will seize whatever they want for themselves — slaves in particular — with a ruthless efficiency.

Yes, Scarlet might have something that they want. It doesn’t mean they will cooperate – it should only make her their primary target.

Berner.7289:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

25 SP’s is approximately equivalent to 5g… you’d think Anet would have considered that when making the prices.

Who in their right mind would spend 5g plus all those spores when they can just use SP’s.

Closer to 10g, if you use them wisely. So 10g versus 5g + 250 freely farmable widgets. Not looking so obvious now ….

It’s faster to farm those 25 skill points than 250 “freely farmable” widgets. Even if you do only the living story.

Lord Kuru.3685:

So Marjory is now an expert in poisons. You think Anet’s slowling going to make her into a Mary Sue to counter Scarlet’s Villain Sue?

Doubtful. Yes, she tries to sell herself as someone cool, mysterious and knowledgeable, but she really comes across as someone not too bright, but with delusions of grandeur.
Which incidentally makes her a good pair for Kasmeer, who looks to be a bright person pretending to be a dumb blonde. So, Marjory’s complete opposite.

Shiren.9532:

Turns out Scarlet conveniently came into possession of a magic rock that the krait wanted. She offered it to them and the rock’s magic wiped away all of their prior characteristics so they could become tools for Scarlet.

Because they apparently haven’t thought of taking the rocks, and then just wiping their “allies” out once they lost their usefulness. Yeah, someone’s going around brainwashing whole races.
Good writing… not.