I just want to know why OP kept trying. The first 500 didnt work, the second 500 didnt work and the THIRD set of 500 didnt work. Was there a little voice in your head telling you that you’ll get it eventually if you kept dumping gold into it? It doesn’t work like that when you’re gambling OP. Should have just quit after the first 500 and sucked up your losses. Now you’re even farther down the hole.
Some people lol
If he throws 500 in and then stops.. those 500 were wasted. Whereas if you keep going, those 500 were an investment, you’re making progress..
Yeah, of course it doesn’t work that way. It doesn’t matter if you’ve burned 1600 rares already, the next four are just as likely to pop out your precursor as the first four or any other four.
But it’s very difficult to make the decision to stop and “abandon” the money you’ve already lost.
Because contrary to popular belief, grinding 8 characters to 80 is not a achievement. Achievements by definition are suppose to be skill based not time based
I guess you’re advocating for the removal of most of the achievements in the game, then?
As long as you’re talking about the community in the game (as opposed to the forum), then I agree 100%!
Out of curiosity, how many non-precursor exotics did you get? (if you kept note)
somewhere in the 30s.
Holy crap, I thought it was reckoned to be about 20% returned a higher quality item?
Kinda weird that this game attracted so many people who are so obsessed with repetitive grind.
MMORPG players love to grind. Fact. Even better if the grind doesn’t require too much concentration, so they can whine about grinding as they grind, because they love to do that even more than they love to grind.
….and not a single precursor. It has been a very long and tedious road Arenet, but this is probably the end of the line for me.
Out of curiosity, how many non-precursor exotics did you get? (if you kept note)
Taste is subjective.
I jumped on last night, did some balloon tower events, the torch run, and then ran around the pie with the zerg, and had mad fun. Well done, ArenaNet!
I haven’t tried the solo gauntlet yet, and to be honest, I don’t expect to enjoy or beat it. But that’s cool, I expect different content to appeal to different people and I’m not in the demographic that finds punishingly difficult solo PvE fun. That’s cool. I’m not QQ’ing because some of the content is not targeted at me and people like me.
Wtf are you talking about. The issue isn’t that we can’t make money, it’s that the people who actually participated in the event by voting with their support tokens and have potentially a few stacks of now worthless representation tokens are punished compared to the people who simply sat on the support tokens and did jack kitten with them. Explain to me how that makes sense. I’d love to hear it.
Well, on the one hand, I have a huge stack of now worthless representation tokens.
But on the other hand, at least I’m going to get the fractal I wanted, not the Abaddon one.
To get the Liadri mini you just have to defeat the final boss of Queen’s Gauntlet. You don’t have to have five gambits active.
Regardless why do you keep releasing one time temporary content that is hard that has achievements tied to it :[? You have not responded on this issue yet that I have seen and I know others feel the same as I do.
I was playing this game casually now I have to go hardcore to meet the deadline.
If some of the content is easy and some of it is hard, then there’s something for everyone.
If all of the content is easy, then some players have content for them, other players have nothing.
I’m not saying this to be an elitist – the hard stuff is way too hard for me. I couldn’t even beat tier 2 of the Candidate Trials let along 3 or 4, despite spending hours trying with different characters and builds! But if you nerf everything to be so easy that an old-timer with slow reactions like me can beat it, where’s the content for the seriously skilled players?
I placed hundreds of votes for Kiel as a very deliberate way of saying TO ARENANET that their gambling boxes are not welcome in this game. They are not welcome in any game.
I wasn’t sticking it to any fictional character. I was responding to a survey that the developers put in front of me.
and you’re the other kind of player who I absolutely despise. This competition wasn’t about RNG or not RNG, realistically the only real consequence of the vote was which fractal got made and which one got round filed.
Rubbish.
The competition – just like a real election – was about several different things, all of which have different degrees of importance to different people.
I could easily say that I despise you, because this competition wasn’t about one fractal which might be cool or might suck over another fractal which might be cool or might suck; that realistically the only consequence was whether the playerbase endorsed the practice of marketing real-money gambling to children.
I won’t, though. Although I will add that if the only real consequence of the vote was which fractal got made and which one got round filed, I’m not sure you have any grounds to complain – the fractal which is going to get made is the one that the majority of the public votes were cast for. It’s a shame that the minority that wanted to see the Fall of Abaddon will miss out, but it would be a bigger shame if the majority that wanted the Reactor fractal missed out.
Most of what I read was people spending around ~ 300 votes. Assuming that would be true, only 53k players voted?
(Don’t take these numbers too serious, but 300 votes per player isn’t too absurd, is it?)
I can’t believe that the average is anywhere near that.
I was playing regularly throughout the Cutthroat Politics period, and I only collected roughly half that many support tokens.
I have no doubt that plenty of people did vote 300 times – and I certainly have no doubt that those people would be well-represented amongst vocal forum posters – but I’m positive the average was much, much less.
Another link that might be relevant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude
A good conspiracy theory needs a reason why.
I can think of a reason why they would want Evon to win: it would trigger a sale on the most impulsive of all the impulse-buy items in the gem store, the Black Lion Keys.
I can’t think of any reason for a conspiracy to make Kiel win regardless of the actual vote.
Can you?
That and the people who voted Kiel as a way of ‘saying no to the chests on the store’ in some weird sticking it to the man way like the fictional NPC is the one that puts stuff on the store.
I placed hundreds of votes for Kiel as a very deliberate way of saying TO ARENANET that their gambling boxes are not welcome in this game. They are not welcome in any game.
I wasn’t sticking it to any fictional character. I was responding to a survey that the developers put in front of me.
RNG gambling boxes. Just a disgusting business model.
The voice acting in the personal story cut scenes. Bad dialogue, delivered poorly, and then made even worse by horrible editing that inserts lengthy pauses in between each characters’ lines.
So that’s a pretty short list compared to most games.
In my experience, any difference in power between one class and another class is almost imperceptible, compared to the difference in skill between one player and another player.
O Rly?
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Arah-speed-run/
YA RLY.
Those guys are debating whether this class is a 10 minute run or that class is a 15 minute run.
Put a horribad player in there and the run will take a couple of hours – if it is even successfully completed at all, which it probably won’t be.
I have another problem. I want to buy 800 more gems this month (to support you know), but i don’t know what to buy. facepalm.jpg
How about you give it to the Red Cross or something? If you want to make a charitable donation, make it to an actual charity.
In my experience, any difference in power between one class and another class is almost imperceptible, compared to the difference in skill between one player and another player.
$59.99, that’s what the game cost when I pre-ordered it last April.
100% means 100%. It doesn’t mean “100% of the parts of the world that I enjoy playing in” or “100% of the parts of the world that are freely and easily accessible”. It means 100%.
Anyway, you’re about 11 months late complaining about this. This horse was beaten senseless, splashed with water, and then beaten to death long ago…
10 keys = a little over $10, right?
That’s a pretty low price for an important life lesson – gambling boxes in MMOs are a scam, and you should never, ever buy keys. Not in GW2, not in any game. Just say “no” and maybe game developers will one day start developing games again, instead of running borderline-legal casinos for minors.
You should also factor in the mystic forge stones, which everyone is currently sitting on a hefty bunch of.
If the wiki is to be believed, using 3 weapons + a stone can just as well give you an exotic armour as an exotic weapon, which you don’t want if you’re chasing precursors.
Upon the first Legendary, you have 100% map completion which gives you 20 Achievement Points for Been There, Done That in addition to another 120 Achievement Points from Ascalon/Shiverpeaks/Maguuma/Krytan/Orr Explorer and, in most cases, Gold Hoarder (Golden Title) for another 40 points.
Sorry to derail, but 100% map completion does not imply Ascalon/Shiverpeaks/Maguuma/Krytan/Orr Explorer. I’ve had 100%, Been There Done That and my Gift of Exploration for many, many months and I don’t think I have any of the Explorer titles completed. There are plenty of little exploration areas with no hearts, skillpoints, waypoints or POIs – many of them associated with jumping puzzles, I think.
The grind is within you. You have a compulsion to grind, it’s obvious from every word of your post.
There is no MMO in existence or able to exist where you would not feel compelled to grind.
You need to change your approach. ArenaNet can’t change it for you.
There is no way you purchased 524 exotics for 556g (even assuming you reused some of them and only had to purchase 400) this is still an outrageous assumption, unless you purchased them at the start of the game when they were worth next to nothing.
Well, I just went to gw2spidy and searched for weapons, exotic, level 80.
Skip over the items with no listings (which show a min sale offer of 0 copper) and you will see several pages of weapons selling for 1.25 to 1.4 gold.
He could easily have purchased 400 exotics for 556 gold, from what I can see.
If you were going to have any conspiracy theory about the election being rigged, surely it would be that it would be rigged for Gnashblade to win, so there could be a nice juicy sale on Black Lion Keys – the most impulsive of all the impulse buy items in the cash shop?
GW2 is the only MMO release since WoW that has been in the same ballpark as far as polish, attention to detail, and general quality.
GW2’s pace of content release puts all competitors to shame. That is the main factor that ruins other MMOs for me – the expectation that I will have to pay a $15/month sub, or suffer an exploitative cash shop, and still get less content updates than GW2 gives me for nothing more than the box price I paid nearly a year ago.
GW2 is not perfect, it could be improved, and it doesn’t stop me from looking at yet-to-be-launched MMOs with interest. But there is no doubt that it has significantly raised the bar than a game has to reach to keep me as a long-term player.
So, let me see if I get this right. When you are in LA, (lobby) and enter a Fractal (5man) you have effectively stopped playing an MMO? But then, if you zone to a Dragon with 40 people there, you have re-entered an MMO? Very confusing.
Well, if you’re in a 5-man instance, then no, you personally are not engaged in massively multiplayer action at that moment in time.
But the game is an MMO if it features massively multiplayer action.
Obviously GW2 features various different styles of play. It has PvP and PvE. It has open world massively multiplayer action and it has instanced small-group multiplayer content.
You will find some ultra-hardline types who swear blind that a game is no MMO if it features any instanced small-group content whatsoever. Personally, though, I think that’s mostly just a troll angle designed to be able to say “WoW is not an MMO!”
And, if you show up at maw, finish it with 12 people, tis not MMO, but if more show up, it is?
Note that at no point did I talk about any actual numbers. I said that massively multiplayer action involved arbitrarily large numbers of players.
How many players is the Maw for? As many as show up. That’s what massively multiplayer is all about. Even if only three people show up in the middle of the night.
Also curious as to what “interaction” is to you. If I am standing in a closed (100 players) district in Kamedan, as I was last night, buying, selling, people LFG, conversing.. that is not “interaction”? But.. 100 people standing in LA is? or is not?
I don’t think either of those are gameplay. You can chat, arrange trade, look for groups, etc. in a lobby in Diablo 2. Doesn’t make it an MMO.
Note that in GW2, LA is not just a lobby. It has several jumping puzzles.
Seriously folks, MMORPG was a marketing label to intro a different kind of game. Anet chose to invent CoRPG for GW1 as their marketing label. Arguing over the “strict” definitions of both is like arguing whether a “SUPER SIZE” softdrink is actually super, large, extra large or jumbo, and just as silly.
I disagree. I think it’s a real term and has real meaning. As does CoRPG, for that matter. It distinguishes GW1 from single-player RPGs where you control a hero and some henchmen – e.g. the Baldur’s Gate games.
I think terms and meanings are important. And it really gets on my nerves that people often misuse the terms because they attach a value judgement to them.
e.g. I like MMOs. I like GW1. Therefore I will argue that GW1 is an MMO.
Or I like MMOs. I hate WoW. Therefore I will say that WoW is not an MMO because “nobody does anything except queue for dungeons and battlegrounds”.
Well, I love MMOs. And I loved GW1. It’s not an MMO, though.
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Can’t remember precisely. I’ve been playing MMOs since pre-WoW days, though, and follow lots of MMO-related blogs and news sites, so on one of those.
I was immediately impressed by what I heard, and actually went out an bought GW1 as a result – I hadn’t played it when it was new. Spent about six months in 2011 playing GW1 pretty hard as a result.
In every way that’s crucially important, GW1 was an MMO.
You don’t think it’s “crucially important” that an MMO should feature Massively-Multiplayer Online gameplay?
I kinda do, personally.
What’s your favourite MMO? Counterstrike is pretty cool, isn’t it?
As fun as it is to quip with extended acronyms, maybe you can get into specifics as to what qualifies for “massive” and in what context? I mean, I somehow doubt the words multiplayer and online are what bother you, as those are pretty black and white. It is online. It is multiplayer.
So… massive? Massive where? Dungeons you have 5 people. Group events I’ve seen 50-60 show up. ZvZ in WvW I’ve seen maybe 120 or so at once. The vast majority of content however you usually are seeing < 10 people at a time in GW2, and certainly less than 50, especially with culling in mind.
Um, you said that GW 1 was an MMO in every way that’s crucially important. If that was a typo and you meant to say GW 2, then of course I agree with you.
Massively-multiplayer means arbitrary numbers of players interacting. If it’s 4 players at a time, or 8, or even say 16v16 (like World of Tanks), it’s not massively multiplayer. It’s just multiplayer.
And personally, I only count the numbers in actual gameplay. Not in lobbies. That’s why GW2 is an MMO and GW1 was not.
A cultural T3 costs 112 gold.
Cultural T3 is deliberately priced to be ridiculously expensive in order to provide a serious goldsink, and to give those players who do want to seriously grind gold something to aspire to.
I don’t think you can use it as part of an argument that it is “too hard to earn gold”. Such an argument would really need to be based on comparing the gold earned by normal players doing normal things, to the gold required for normal players to buy normal things.
I began playing this game about two weeks ago and here is my count:
-10 keys
-2 chests
Are those keys from drops? Or personal story / zone completion rewards?
I’ve heard it rumoured that keys can drop from mobs.. but playing since release, ballpark of 100 chests, still never seen a key drop.
But as has already been said.. just buy chests on the trading post for a few copper each.
I got my achievement points by playing the game and doing what I wanted to do because I found it enjoyable, not by “grinding”.
It was still kitten nice to get a chest a day for a while after this system launched (little over 3500 AP)
In every way that’s crucially important, GW1 was an MMO.
You don’t think it’s “crucially important” that an MMO should feature Massively-Multiplayer Online gameplay?
I kinda do, personally.
What’s your favourite MMO? Counterstrike is pretty cool, isn’t it?
I would suggest adding a fee to all portals (including from the WvW and PvP Mysts) that lead to Lion’s Arch, provided the player has not been in the Mysts for less than 3 minutes.
This would stop the free teleport abuse, and not inconvenience ‘genuine’ Mysts players.
You don’t think ‘genuine’ WvW players would be inconvenienced if they couldn’t get into WvW because it was full.. of people waiting out their 3 minute timer?
Free travel to the character’s home city would be awesome.
Agreed. We can already go to LA for free, and by extension any of the home cities with just a few extra seconds by using the free way point to the portal area.
So I think they should have a warp to LA button and a warp to hometown button.
Actually, I think it would be better to have a warp to hometown but not a warp to LA. That would spread people out into the currently quite empty hometowns (to craft, bank, etc.), and you would take the extra step into LA if you wanted e.g. the Forge.
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+1 These cotton candy updates are beginning to bore , although I am sure the players under 14 are enjoying the mini games and collect a 1000 whatevers.
I’m closer to 41 than 14 but I’m happy with how the new content is being managed.
Do I enjoy all of it? Hell no. But they’re throwing so much stuff at us that the half of it that I do enjoy is still plenty.
I’m happy with the game I got for $60, but I can tell you now, I will never spend one cent in GW2’s cash shop as long as ArenaNet are profiting from getting children hooked on gambling with real money.
Your post is really offensive, it’s like saying that people are dumb because they don’t agree with you, I’m voting Evon because of the fractal, couldn’t care less for WP costs or BL Keys.
I didn’t say people who voted for Evon were dumb – I said that people who bought Black Lion Keys were dumb, and that those dumb people would vote for Evon.
Surely you know the old saying – “gambling: a tax on people too dumb to do math” ?
Democracy is usually a triumph of the candidate that appeals to the dumber end of the electorate. So if Evon appeals to people who are dumb enough to waste money on Black Lion Keys.. well.. he’s going to win.
I can’t tell you why anyone else doesn’t play it, but I can tell you why I don’t play it:
GW2 PvE is fresh and different to any other MMO on the market, imho.
GW2 WvWvW is fresh and different to any other MMO on the market, imho.
GW2 SPvP is.. indistinguishable from the battlegrounds added to WoW in June 2005, and in pretty much every MMO ever since.
the kites are by no means easy to get
griffonrook was a nightmare
Griffonrook is not so bad if you don’t even try to carry the bomb to blow open the chest at the end. Just doing the jumps and killing the griffons makes for one of the easier JPs.
Now doing it properly, with the bomb.. that’s terrifying.
But back on the topic at hand.. by my reckoning, there are 23 Bazaar achievements that count towards the meta, and you have to do 16 of them. If you can’t get “World vs. Kite”, you don’t have to.
If you don’t find it enjoyable to attempt a PvP jumping puzzle – then just don’t do it.
Another issue I have been getting is when opening the parachute chests.. the sacks pop out and sink into the floor and become unlootable.. must of had at least a dozen do this in last few hours… add the WP costs and time spent doing these map collectables this kind of scam mechanic is a tad frustrating .
I thought that was what happened when you tried to loot one that you’d already looted recently. Not sure how long a timeframe it is, but I know every time I’ve popped open one that I had looted recently, I didn’t get any bags, they just sank into the floor like that.
There’s a drop rate on keys? I’ve heard rumours, but 390 hours /age here across all characters and I’ve still never seen one drop.
Not that I care – I’ve gotten a bunch from daily completion and personal story completion, and never gotten anything out of a chest except garbage that wastes my bank space because I’m too much of a packrat to ever throw anything away.
It absolutely boggles my mind that anyone would even consider spending real money on keys.
The first rules of groups in MMOs: he who organizes the group makes the rules.
It doesn’t matter how many people there are out there organizing groups with arbitrary rules and standards. Don’t like it? ORGANIZE YOUR OWN. What you’re saying is basically “that guy over there who doesn’t want to play with me should be FORCED to play with me”. Don’t work that way.
Currently there are two groups on gw2lfg.com for any story-mode dungeon.
Two.
Translation: if you didn’t start playing GW2 at launch and unlock all the explorables then, you can forget about ever running a dungeon.
We NEED a LFG tool. I don’t believe even 1% of people who might want to run a dungeon are off using some website to form a group.
Making gambling more complicated doesn’t increase its appeal to people “who are hestitant, but not hostile to gambling”.
It only appeals to people who are already enjoying gambling.
The “hesitant” gamblers want to keep it simple.
Trust me. Go to the racetrack and see who is doing complicated roving banker trifectas, and who is just picking a horse and backing it to win.
Definitely not.
Trying to bolt e-sport PvP onto an MMORPG never works. Even if you take the GW2 approach and make SPvP completely separate to the rest of the game, no overlap in progression, gear, etc. At that point, you have to ask, why did they bother? Why didn’t they just release two games, an MMORPG and an e-sport arena game?
It’s amazing how many of you complain about how they do weapon skins in BL Chests WHEN YOU PLAY THE GAME FOR FREE! My god, content doesn’t magically make itself.
I had to pay $60 to play the game, guess I got scammed :-(
citadel of flame explorable path 1 can be completed within 10 – 15 minutes, earning you at least 69 COF tokens
Good luck finding a group to do CoF story mode in order to unlock explorable mode. Currently gw2lfg has 45 groups for exp mode, and 3 for story. Oh, except 2 of those 3 story modes are actually for exp mode, if you read the comment, they’ve just been entered by someone too stupid to pick the right option from the dropdown.