Guild Wars 2

Power necro vs Condi necro vs Minion Master

Which one is most likely to win if it was pit against the other two?

Elementalist is the only one with vapour form in downed state and therefore the only one affected by the bug

Standard models say hi.

What does this have to do with PvP?

You assume 0 starting clones from the mesmer at the start. The mesmer isn’t always going to burst without any clones to start with. The thief on the other hand doesn’t have any way to boost their burst apart from what you’ve already said.

Supreme.3164:

I don’t see any offensive trait line in game without a hefty amount of defensive options in it, name me a single profession with an offensive trait line that lacks any sort of defensive options…

You must be blind then.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Zeal
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Arms
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Explosives
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Firearms
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Domination
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Critical_Strikes (nobody takes IP because of how bad it is before you bring that up)
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Corruption

Supreme.3164:

So the real problem is clear, the weapon set itself

Yes of course, and that’s why d/d ele was falling out of the meta prior to the patch that allowed eles to spec full into fire?

Jasher.6580:

Belial.9350:

Jasher.6580:

Belial.9350:

Jasher.6580:

2. 55 cannot touch The Abjured.

Lolwut, do you know a single thing about the EU scene? 55 was the top team EU and won ToL3 plus several monthly finals right before they split in order to form a WTS team with TCG. They destroyed oRNG in ToL3.

And? That means they can touch Abjured?

Well it certainly doesn’t mean 55 cannot touch Abjured which is what you said in your post.

I don’t think they can.

Lol? You say that 55 beating other EU teams doesn’t mean they can beat Abjured, then you say that 55 can’t beat Abjured with absolutely no reasoning at all. Such a hypocrite.

Jasher.6580:

Belial.9350:

Jasher.6580:

2. 55 cannot touch The Abjured.

Lolwut, do you know a single thing about the EU scene? 55 was the top team EU and won ToL3 plus several monthly finals right before they split in order to form a WTS team with TCG. They destroyed oRNG in ToL3.

And? That means they can touch Abjured?

Well it certainly doesn’t mean 55 cannot touch Abjured which is what you said in your post.

EU too stronk, so they stealth nerfed it.

Terrorsquad.4802:

Belial.9350:

Terrorsquad.4802:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

Necrotize.2974:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

Elementalists have burning as their single condition.

This is untrue. D/D ele has access to Chill, Immob, Burning, Bleeding, Weakness, and Cripple on weapon skills, Blinds on Evasive Arcana, and potentially poison if running doom sigils.

Besides bleeding none of these conditions do any damage, so burning is the only damaging conditions eles and guards have. Eles have 1 bleed skill and no trait support.

Eles have 3 bleed skills.. All in Earth.

Terrorsquad.4802:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

Necrotize.2974:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

Elementalists have burning as their single condition.

This is untrue. D/D ele has access to Chill, Immob, Burning, Bleeding, Weakness, and Cripple on weapon skills, Blinds on Evasive Arcana, and potentially poison if running doom sigils.

Besides bleeding none of these conditions do any damage, so burning is the only damaging conditions eles and guards have. Eles have 1 bleed skill and no trait support.

Eles have 3 bleed skills.. All in Earth.

Yes but one is the earth auto which nobody uses and another is churning earth which again nobody uses. The remaining bleed skill does a hefty 1 stack of bleeding.

Nobody? What if I say I do?
What if Im so smart I get stealth from thief, load up my earth 5 and open with lighting flash mid-cast to target and hit a lucky 4-5k with 8 stacks bleed? Not to mention I still need to start in fire hue.

You can see the earth 5 red circle and animation even if the ele is stealthed…

Jasher.6580:

2. 55 cannot touch The Abjured.

Lolwut, do you know a single thing about the EU scene? 55 was the top team EU and won ToL3 plus several monthly finals right before they split in order to form a WTS team with TCG. They destroyed oRNG in ToL3.

Terrorsquad.4802:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

Necrotize.2974:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

Elementalists have burning as their single condition.

This is untrue. D/D ele has access to Chill, Immob, Burning, Bleeding, Weakness, and Cripple on weapon skills, Blinds on Evasive Arcana, and potentially poison if running doom sigils.

Besides bleeding none of these conditions do any damage, so burning is the only damaging conditions eles and guards have. Eles have 1 bleed skill and no trait support.

Eles have 3 bleed skills.. All in Earth.

Terrorsquad.4802:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

Necrotize.2974:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

Elementalists have burning as their single condition.

This is untrue. D/D ele has access to Chill, Immob, Burning, Bleeding, Weakness, and Cripple on weapon skills, Blinds on Evasive Arcana, and potentially poison if running doom sigils.

Besides bleeding none of these conditions do any damage, so burning is the only damaging conditions eles and guards have. Eles have 1 bleed skill and no trait support.

Eles have 3 bleed skills.. All in Earth.

Yes but one is the earth auto which nobody uses and another is churning earth which again nobody uses. The remaining bleed skill does a hefty 1 stack of bleeding.

Ara.4569:

So please don’t say cele necro counters d/d ele when it’s roughly 50/50.

50/50?

http://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2/v/10124128
6:11:10, 7:39:00

There’s the necro wins in WTS, now show me the 2 wins from D/D ele vs necro in WTS that should have statistically happened according to you.

http://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2/v/10124128

6:11:10, 7:39:00

Show me any 1v1s that Nos loses vs an ele.

butch.8136:

Monthly or weekly? It was the weekly yesterday, no?
You’d kill off your high-end teams pretty quickly when barring them from the only tournaments with monetary rewards.

Barring from a single cup a month. One might argue that the high end teams are dying quickly because only one team is consistently getting the monetary rewards.

To clarify, I’m suggesting that the winner of a monthly is barred from the following weekly but can play in the rest of them after that one weekly.

The winner of a monthly cup is barred from the next cup. This allows other teams one chance per month to win a cup rather than having one team (abjured) farming every cup.

The NA cup yesterday had close matches in almost every matchup and was more fun to watch. It also gave the lower seeded teams a chance to show their worth, who would usually be seeded again abjured in round 1 or 2 and subsequently rolled over without a chance.

1st EU pugquest and it already has more signups than the NA pugquest. Maybe if NA players put more effort in, there’d be more decent NA teams around.

Ouzee.9648:

so i have to buy one for all my characters or share it via bank, they are not worth it then :/

Well, most people have a main class that would do most of the map exploration and gathering.

Why isn’t doom used anymore on d/d pvp builds and leeching is used instead? After the patch, doom got a 2 second duration buff, while leeching didn’t get any buffs but suddenly everyone wants to use leeching?

Yes, you only get 1 item.

Why have we slipped backwards from GW1?

I don’t think that would make much different, 50000 is still a freaking huge amount of money FOR PLAYING A GAME.

Prediction = TCG wonnered

Wouldn’t this defeat the whole point of a ranger class? Rangers traditionally are more about self survival than team survival.

Saiyan.1704:

I’m trying to understand the purpose of this thread.

Why would you 1v1 a punching bag that’s build around keeping a point?

Same logic may be applied to this thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Who-can-hardcounter-eles-1v1-on-point/first#post5342188

Nova Stiker.8396:

• Why is there no castle defender style dungeon?

Why would you want a dungeon that can be completed by 5 afk turret engis?

infantrydiv.1620:

I’m expecting there is a very good chance Rom is going to play Power Ranger for at least a few games.

So what you’re saying is that oRNG are so confident about winning that they’re even going to throw a few games on purpose?

Saiyan.1704:

Chaith from Ajured. His eyes are just to die for.

Oh, guys can post here too right, not just girls?

Well 99.9% of people who post on the PvP forums are guys, so it would be a pretty empty thread if we weren’t allowed.

And the Chinese captain is clearly the best looking.

xDudisx.5914:

From hardest to easiest:

1)Engi
2)Ele
3)Necro
4)Thief
5)Ranger
6)Guardian
7)Mesmer
8)Warrior

Pretty sure ranger is more faceroll than mesmer.

Jasher.6580:

bhagwad.4281:

Belial.9350:

Just name one class that can SAFELY kill a bunker guard on point without losing it. Talking about same skill level. Because, you know, pretty much evey spec in the game has an hardcounter that is supposed to win a 1v1 on point while on the same skill level.

Name one class that can be killed by a bunker guardian on point!

Thief.
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But to answer the question of the OP. Mesmer can kill a bunker Guard on point safely without losing the point.

I can’t say I’ve ever died to a mesmer on point as bunker guard, unless I started with 0 cooldowns and 50% hp.

RSLongK.8961:

If you want to help, staff ele gives some might perma fury along with high damage so yes.
If you gonna camp water to be a “healer” then no.

Ermagerd those people. It isn’t even the most effective way to be a ‘healer’ since you want the extra blast and reflects from earth.

Ranger.

Power ranger = 222222
Condi ranger = 1111111

bhagwad.4281:

Belial.9350:

Just name one class that can SAFELY kill a bunker guard on point without losing it. Talking about same skill level. Because, you know, pretty much evey spec in the game has an hardcounter that is supposed to win a 1v1 on point while on the same skill level.

Name one class that can be killed by a bunker guardian on point!

If a mesmer or thief tries to keep a point capped vs a bunker guard, he’ll either lose the point or eventually die. Possibly power ranger too, never fought one as bunker guard though.

assassin.7895:

mesmer can’t portal his team across the map once per minute. learn to get your facts right !!!

Portal skill has 72 second cd. Cd starts when portal is opened, so it only has 62 second downtime or 60 second when traited. Learn to get your facts right.

Just name one class that can SAFELY kill a bunker guard on point without losing it. Talking about same skill level. Because, you know, pretty much evey spec in the game has an hardcounter that is supposed to win a 1v1 on point while on the same skill level.

You’re looking for a team but don’t want people to contact you? Wat.

Mesmer – it’s OP and you can one-shot everything from stealth while portalling your team across the map once per minute.

Archaon.9524:

Yasha.5963:

Archaon.9524:

Velimere.7685:

Archaon.9524:

harcounter, for those who apparently can’t read or understand means “Forcing someone to disengage 1v1 or die on point with basically no chances for the other guy to win considering same skill level”

got it now? i can also make a simple drawing if needed…sorry if i didn’t explain some basic term, i forgot i was writing on forums….my bad

That’s great and all, Lad, but the rest of us were talking about a hard counter. Feel free to go back to your simple drawings now.

Just for you man…hope it helps

That’s great, haha. So if y= d/d ele, x = pretty much everything else?

atm yeah….pretty much

So what the kitten is the point in this thread? You ask a question, then constantly force your own answer into other people who supply different answers. Wtf.

Iavra.8510:

Fir/Air sigils and Mirror Blade are actually what makes mesmer GS viable. With both nerfed, its damage has been heavily reduced (by ~25%, i’d say) and it now suffers even more from offering no defense.

Yes – blind spam, as many stealths as a thief, 2 second invuln on a 12 second cd equates to no defense, protection uptime from the first two chaos minor traits and PU (thieves have no prot) equates to no defense.

I agree, 4 thieves should never be on a team together because that team can’t hold any points and is almost a sure loss. Fortunately the screenshotted team went against a team that didn’t know how to play.

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

BurrTheKing.8571:

philheat.3956:

Honestly in the past, only pve warrior went for 3 pts for FH and maximize power and critical line

Hambow and Shoutbow (the true warrior tanky pvp build) always went for the entire discipline line, to take Burst Mastery

Discipline line is not bad, it has really good traits.

It’s not that Discipline is bad, it’s that we’re FORCED into taking it just to get one minor trait. I have several build ideas using Strength – Defense – Tactics or Arms – Defense – Tactics but none of them work right now because they don’t work without the fast weapon swaps. So many combos rely on fast swaps.

Sounds like eles with the arcane line, which they are FORCED into for Elemental Attunement. Or thieves being FORCED into the Steal line to make Steal actually do something in PVP. Probably a lot of other classes also have this problem.

Or mesmers with the illusions line, which they are FORCED into for illusionary persona. Oh wait…

Why do warriors need fast hands any more than guardians do?

“Realistic way to nerf mesmers” – this is a troll right? The suggestions made on this other post are approximately 9001x more realistic than the ones you suggested in your post: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Suggested-mesmer-changes/first#post5319811

Add 150 points to power and subtract 150 from precision. It makes no sense that soldier amulet does more damage to treb and gates and subtracting 150 from prec would give it the same prec as zerker anyway.

Xillllix.3485:

Staff used to be way more viable than it is now, you used to be able to have a berserker amulet and manage to survive. Now even with a maurauder you get 1-2-shot by any average mesmer, warrior rampage, thief, etc.

Name one team that won a tournament with a zerk staff ele.

Condition builds already utilise precision – name me one viable condition build that doesn’t benefit from precision to stack condis.
What they need is a third offensive condition stat like power does.

Ele has d/d, d/f, staff that are all viable. Thief has d/p only.

Mightybird.6034:

Mesmer….I’ve had my character stunned and been downed in one go without a thing I can do about it on some classes. While they have better survivability than a thief… I like playing my mesmer but…they need some toning down somewhere.

Not only do they have better damage and survivability than a thief, their portal on top of this makes the class even more ridiculous.

Extreme.8350:

almost anything can counter “MESEMER” not just useless melee. one trick pony thieves can counter some builds. The best way to counter “mesemer” as a “mesemer”. is actually with condi build but one also has too much counterplay like diamond skin sigh.

Power mantra shatter actually does quite well vs condi mesmer because they have enough cleanses to buy enough time to nuke the condi mesmer.

Lordrosicky.5813:

No counter play to ele, mesmer or thief to be honest. Its all sad

Yes there is, you counter all of those by being a mesmer.