Guild Wars 2

Erindriel.2351:

Yeah; The one necro change (given how many necros there are) that makes one of their fields destroy projectiles had single handedly made engineer 45% less viable; <_<

I hope warr and engie will get some real love beyond tiny damage buffs that don’t really change anything.

Better yet, the classes would be fine when condis are finally brought back into line.

Because every necro is going to run that skill? Guardians also have wall of reflection, doesn’t mean they run it every time they see an engi.

People complained about burst meta, cele meta, condi meta and now bunker meta – make up your mind people…

So what is your reasoning for restricting it to a server then?

I have 0 idea why this is limited to one server. Servers have no impact at all on PvP, so you’re just making your playerbase extremely small for no reason.

You get stomped by minion masters?

Kicast.1459:

Archaon.9524:

ArthurDent.9538:

rotten.9753:

Stilgar.6437:

I do hope s/d becomes viable and i do hope d/d ele remains viable.

When was the last time any ele build was viable, not underpowered or not overpowered?

When was the last time there was a build for any class that was considered viable but not op? Pretty much every build that becomes meta gets called face roll op unless it is just used purely for it’s utility (theif stealth/mobility, Mesmer portal, resbot guardian).

Bunker guard had almost always been meta and never been op…just an example…

How many time a bunker guard has won a WTS ?

How many times has a thief won a WTS?

Nier.8741:

Let’s be real though. In this game duels matter, but why does it take two people just to kill a d/d ele because you don’t have a d/d ele to mirror that d/d ele in a 1v1? So because I can’t 1v1 a d/d ele and I don’t play cele necro or d/d ele, I have to 1v2 a class that can delay a 1v2 easy?

Like honestly the OP deserves no less, people who play d/d ele deserves to be hated. D/D ele isn’t even a good balancing point anyways.

The best balancing points right now are Warrior Thief Engi. There is NO ARGUMENT because each of those classes have REAL TRADE-OFFS.

Pretty sure Tarcis beats decent eles 1v1 on marauder warrior, guess that’ll have to be added to the list to 3 classes that can 1v1 eles.
Oh and mantra mesmer.
Ranger with nature/wilderness/bm does pretty good too.

Amante.8109:

Belial.9350:

Lol l2p, you don’t even have to be mechanically good at thief to sb5 around the map, hitting targets 5 times and decapping points.

You appear to play Ele AND Mesmer. Wow, I really hit the jackpot!

Lol so what. Since you went through my post history, you’ll also know that I’m aware of how OP these classes are. Doesn’t change the fact that one can fulfil the role of a thief without actually doing that much.

computer.4372:

have a timer in RL and press it every time it procs?

You mean you DON’T do this?

Amante.8109:

Another day, another appeal to reason by a Thief main, another series of responses so predictable you could view them from orbit. Let’s play Thief marginalization bingo!

1> “Thief is in a lot of tournament teams. You can’t be pigeonholed AND weak!”
2> “Sounds like a L2P problem. Who cares if every other class is easier to play and more rewarding by far?”
3> “OMG Thief OP! I got killed by one back in 2013, and I’m still mad about it.”

Lol l2p, you don’t even have to be mechanically good at thief to sb5 around the map, hitting targets 5 times and decapping points.

I think a lot of people forget that we’re getting things like druid and herald, which are gonna compete for that OP team support spot

Lol thief and ele and the only two classes that are seen consistently on every top team. Thief clearly isn’t the worst class in the game.

Why is this so important to you? Matchmaking has been so different in every game that stats mean nothing lol.

SlayerSixx.5763:

Idk if someone said this already but you have nearly 4x the games spent on ele than you do with the other classes. I can roll a mesmer now and play 1 game and say that my guardian (who I started out with as my first char ever) is my worst when in reality, it isn’t true.

As for the ele hate, roll with it. You know you’re doing it for dailies, so don’t sweat it. If you main it….

-saltsaltsaltsalt-

That logic doesn’t work because 1 is a horrendous sample size. The smallest sample size here is 256, try rolling a mesmer and doing 256 games and seeing what your percentage is.
Also it looks like only 4x compared to the bottom half lol.

Archaon.9524:

pvp boosters omg….

…how low did pvp playerbase get in this game?

Conaywea.5062:

they need to split skills in pvp and pve for real , is dumb to have the same damage for a monster with 10000000000hp and for players with 13-20k hp

You mean the monsters that don’t dodge or heal and have to deal with constant 1v5 situations?

As everyone has said, thieves would be stupidly OP if they could be everywhere at once while being able to most of their matchups…

Isn’t this trait getting buffed to give 130% more healing and toughness?

Axialbloom.8109:

It seems a condition PvE ele will never be a thing as long as PvP dominates balance

Wait, you think PvP is the reason ice bow got nerfed?

…

Nier.8741:

First of all, I’ve seen you play you aren’t special you are literally probably one of the most inferior players in the game.

Second, judge-ing from your posts and the fact that you wanted cleansing ire nerfed AND had trouble on rampage as a d/d ele mesmer main, it shows that you aren’t as good as you think you are.

Lol this is the problem with the PvP community, people think personal attacks solve everything.

Yes because nobody uses boosters for PvP.

ArthurDent.9538:

Inflames.8026:

To me it seem like there are two sides here.
The people who play elementalist who is so shocked over the nerf.
And the people who try to see reason behind the nerfs.
These are small but nessesary tweaks to tone the ele down abit.
Nothing is set in stone and everything can change.
Noone will ever know until it goes live

You forgot a third group which started this thread. The group who doesn’t play elementalist, and wants it nerfed even harder so they can kill it easily.

You forgot the fourth group – the forum warriors who moan about everything that ANet does.

A lot of people have team/map chat switched off because they’re fed up of all the flaming that happens in them.

Stilgar.6437:

no it will not drop out of meta if these are the only changes. It even stays one category above the rest of meta. Burning is the same as before, mini-nerf on drake but buff on RoF. Might is still super high, you drop down couple stacks on average, barely noticeable.

If vigor nerf wasnt in the patch notes, you would have not noticed it was implemented, because ele still has 100% vigor uptime.

Burning is the same (even more burns in many situations now, slightly less in others), damage is basicly the same, same sustain, same mobility, same everything else, same meta (^2).

Can you explain to me why d/d ele wasn’t in top teams right before the June 23 patch then?

Yeah thief has major issues, you can’t win any esl tournaments without them because of how essential they are.

Readymade.1672:

3. Let’s pretend no one noticed that Dragon’s Breath used to be 2s per stack and was “unnerfed” in a recent patch. D/D ele was still meta with 2s of burn per stack.

Let’s pretend that no other burning skill on any profession had its burn stacks application increased while drake’s breath didn’t. You wouldn’t be making this point if on June 23 drake’s breath had it’s duration decreased to 1.5s but applied 2 stacks of burn.

lilz shorty.1879:

drgast.1469:

Anybody who plays Guard with any frequency knew this was coming. Relax. It’s not that big a nerf. I’d much rather they did this with the CD than affect the duration of the shout.

Nerf was coming? For wat reason? Who was complaining it was too strong lmfao? Im sure you understand having this on a shorter cd def helped survivability of yourself and even teammates at times.

You ask what made it strong then give one of the reasons why it was strong? Seems legit.

This basically reverts it back to what it was before June 23 and d/d ele wasn’t even used in most top teams back then lol.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Warrior Frenzy gives slightly longer quickness, only affects yourself, doesn’t remove any conditions and has a 60s cd.

its a stun breaker and a stance.

Stance vs Shout cancels each other out, which means that stun break is that much more powerful than having the quickness and fury be AoE that it justifies much higher cd. Makes sense.

Reikou.7068:

Ancient Seeds – Striking a stunned, dazed, knocked down, or launched foes summon roots to entangle them for 5s (immobilize + bleed).

Good luck dodging out of the pewpew now.

wat

Exedore.6320:

• Break Channel Only on Interrupt This should probably be removed and turned into a standard channel. It’s too easy for some builds or professions to full channel mist essence while under multiple stacks of stability. Quickness + stability on guardian is hard to stop.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Bountiful_Theft
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shattered_Concentration
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mind_Stab
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mind_Spike
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Signets_of_Suffering
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Path_of_Corruption

atlrising.5134:

Olun, to me any team who can beat a team 500-150, or 500-300 and making frequent trips to the finals even if they are not winning is, most likely too good for AG but I digress this forum posting is starting to bore me. -Yawn-

So if I make a team of completely new players and enter AG, any team that beats us 500-150 is too good for AG?

Speaking on which, why the heck was Genyen allowed to play in a team for the last AG? Wasn’t he on Radioactive for a fair while?

Archon.6480:

Might be useful against d/d elem (if you can keep them under 90% hp).

Because every pro ele runs diamond skin right?

Archon.6480:

Mostly useless. Easily cleansed

By that logic, all conditions are useless as they are easily cleansed.

Supreme.3164:

Now you can take the best ele player in this game, the top ones: @Honey

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

wayneericgouin.9371:

Basilisk venom, assassin’s signet, steal then backstab. You can try the heartseeker into steal combo but the success rate on that depends highly on your skill with it and latency.

Nobody uses assassin’s signet.

Storm > Crysis confirmed

Where have the pistol traits gone? Impossible to make P/P work without ricochet.

bliss.4305:

http://www.twitch.tv/gamewithstorm

wtf

ReaperJr.5967:

Jekkt. I have tested it. The skill continues after the first hit is dodged. That’s what I meant by undodgeable. Skills shouldn’t channel after you dodge the initial animation.

Tell that to rapid fire.

Why would you use poison cloud?

sercommander.6817:

The thing is you can cancel/steal stability and interrupt stomp, but u cant steal/cancel mist form.

Can’t cancel/steal elixir s or distortion either.

Velimere.7685:

Belial.9350:

ozzy.8059:

teleport skills remove them not you from the point and they did it by their own choice

their attacks don’t hit either so you may as well have interrupted them

You rebuttal achieves entirely nothing in terms of countering his argument.

I was merely using the same logic he used against unyielding:

ozzy.8059:

your attacks dont hit either so it may as well have interrupted you… hmm i recall a complaint about this during the beta and people just flipped the bird at the op funny….

ozzy.8059:

teleport skills remove them not you from the point and they did it by their own choice

their attacks don’t hit either so you may as well have interrupted them

Nobody complains that teleport skills work while cc’d, it’s the exact same thing.

And of course everybody cares so much about spirit watch.

OlrunTheBlade.1486:

ESL doesn’t bother to change the rules on the site for the beta weekends, so I can’t point to the rule. OPN gave the answer, and Trixxti responded with sass. I understand that you might still have questions since OPN just said no, but maybe ask those instead of just ignoring the response.

OPN isn’t an ESL admin and his response didn’t show any attempt to provide a source. I also don’t understand why he was so condescending with his 9001 dots. Wouldn’t be too surprised that people ignored it.

Firebird.8324:

no………………………………………………………….

Don’t see why not, d/d ele is allowed and it’s more OP than every elite spec.

captainteemo.6537:

It’s not the place to teach people the basics of how points are scored and where to fight…

The only thing hotjoin teaches you is how to abuse autobalance.

Doesn’t seem to exist in the WvW section of metabattle, which is where I assumed the roaming versions of builds would be.