Guild Wars 2

If they freaking change this then we’r egoing to need some of the biggest kittening buffs they’ve given any class in the game. I’m talking warrior-stance/hammer buffs that made hambow OP for a freaking year buffs. Because they are NERFING THE CRAP out of guardians with this change. Like this is FREAKING ABSOLUTELY INSANE. ITS LIKE ALL THEY WANT IS FOR EVERYONE TO ROLL CELE ENGI ELE WARR WHICH DONT REQUIRE TELEPORTS. IM SO FREAKING kittenED OFF.

as someone who mains sword medi guardian at top level pvp I can pretty much gurantee this will completely OBLITERATE this weapon set. Like literally unusable. I want to talk to a freaking anet dev before they do something like this because this is just making a rarely used weapon COMPLETLEY UNVIABLE and theres NO POINT in doing it. LIKE IM SERIOUSLY kittenG kittenED OFF.

i want a duet with genyen

tell him hes bad and if he disagrees 1v1 him and own him

is this eu

Hunter.4783:

Shanks.2907:

Harbinger.8637:

Guardian is in a good spot. Yes, there are small tweaks and QoL changes I feel that are needed

Agreed. Guardian isn’t in such a bad position where it would take a barrage of buffs to get the wheels moving. However, like you said, there are quite a few changes that I think would go a long way.

• soft CC (cripple on sword/greatsword and maybe a chill on blind trait)
• fix the projectiles on sword AA #3 (melee reflects)
• faster projectiles on scepter AA/change Smite to a symbol
• speed up hammer AA #3 by at least .25s maybe even .5s
• 25% movement speed trait (would open up runes instead of being pigeonholed into traveler/pack runes and create more diversity)

You know guardian is in a pretty good place when smaller changes can make the difference. Of course I’d like to see signets and spirit weapons be reworked to be viable. I also really liked oobs’ idea to make Flashing Blade similar to a reverse Phase Retreat. Especially with the new teleport changes coming and (from what I heard) you’ll have to be in range to even teleport.

Small changes can shift the meta on ANY class, guardian is no exception

Also, adding CC is generally considered a HUGE buff to a melee centric class.

Right now the class has 1 mediocre working spec. Some think to think its enough, others don’t, and others will disagree with either side for the sake of e-glory.

let me know if you want to duel sometime for the sake of my eglory

they dont even have a warrior

Solstice.1097:

Abjured is incredibly good but it would be so much more fun to watch closer games, so I’d really like to see someone give them a run for their money someday soon.

Here’s how I think it can be done.

1. You need 2 people who can stalemate Wakkey and Phantaram I sincerely doubt you are going to kill either of them 1v1, but you need to at least be able to stalemate the side nodes.

2. You need someone who can keep Toker’s attention Most likely this has to be a LB Ranger or Mesmer. This person might have to be the best player on the team, because you have to be bursty enough that Toker has no choice but to take you out, and survivable (good) enough to not let him do it. This person might want to swap a thing or two in their build to be slightly more survivable.

3. You need 2 people who can beat Fivegauge and Noscoc in a 2v2 Maybe a zerker hambow and a celestial staff elementalist… i really don’t know what the best comp for this is going to be, but it’s gotta happen.

So if you can stalemate their ele’s 1v1 and keep toker’s attention and basically turn the game into a 2v2 vs Nos and Fivegauge, and WIN that 2v2, then you can out rotate them from there by playing man-to-man defense and matching numbers everywhere.

But I don’t think any team that hasn’t been together for at least several months could pull this off. So stick together, teams! Stop trying to change out players every month because you didn’t win… part of the reason you didn’t win is because you change out players every month!! XD

strangely enough youre right.

guardians have the most aoe application of auto attacks in the game!!!!

Might as well since its just as stupid and unneeded as the stability change.

The Gates Assassin.9827:

1. Overall, most PvPers seem to like this change conceptually, but worry about the number of stacks chosen for each skill.

Don’t know who you’re talking to. I dont care what hot joiners think about this change. Literally every single person Ive talked to at the high end of pvp (the ones that actually get rewards) don’t like this change. Doesn’t matter if they play a class that has stability or boonstrip or lots of ccs, they think its a worthless change. Stability is already an underused boon. There’s absolutely no reason to change it unless theyre nerfing the CRAP out of cc’s once the change goes through.

Saiyan.1704:

Aaron.2413:

Lol.. I don’t even know what to say at this point… The only class on the Abjured that medi guard counters is necro… That being said the rest of the abjured destroys guardians and they peel effectively for noscoc so that it is not effective…

Also the fact that u think u solo quing would beat the abjured is adorable… But sure don’t waste your time on the “super confusing” website. … Also while classes like power ranger can 1v1 effectively on beach.. Conquest and LoS in general is a different story…. But please sign up for the next ESL with a few power Rangers and medi guards… I can’t wait to see you take home the gold

In regards to yall not thinking Toker is the best thief at everything.. Please give me names of players who are better, I’m actually curious

Also please invest more and win WTS (33 pages of forum responses isn’t invested enuf)

Strictly TPvP Meta build vs Meta build, you’re right 100%. Guard probably wont be able to beat anyone there.

Off meta 1v1 realm; realistically speaking, Condi Guardian can beat the two Ele’s, 50/50 Engi, 40/60 Necro, 40/60 Thief.

That’s assuming these classes go off meta into their respective 1v1 builds…. but these players aren’t 1v1 spec’d. They are currently the best team composition players to date.
I hardly ever see these guys 1v1 in KOTH other than Backpack. Of which I beat when he went condi himself and called Guardians OP. As for everyone else, I have no idea what their skill levels are compared to the rest of the off meta classes.

haha what condi guard is hard countered by d/d ele and it would be more like 0/100 ele, 90/10 engi 10/90 necro 100/0 thief

Eurantien.4632:

uberkingkong.8041:

Want to own phantaram, play a power ranger

Haha, good luck with that.

clealry u just need to l2p eura

glock.6590:

I’d say toker for the best duelist IRL . Because seeing other nerds I mean other “top players” I think toker could 1v2 them irl. Lol

this i can agree too

Jasher.6580:

NA
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Best Duelist Previously: Jumper
Best Duelist Currently: Phantaram
Best Overall Player: Magic Toker (haters gonna hate, he’s still the best)

hahahahahahha

Fashion Mage.3712:

AGGabriel.9230:

I pray for a longbow but… if it will be just a 800 range and crappy skills it can share the warehouse with the mace and shield (aka useless wep skills) + how the hell the guard will face the revenant long range(and condition apply we already have hard time with the necro) skills and the rest of professions because i am 80% sure all will get a new long range wep use putting the guard further in the range gap and easy target practice

The guy who leaked the longbow and hammer (in 2013) for guardians and engis respectively said that the longbow had 1200 range.

buuut he also perfectly predicted engi hammer skills so I think its pretty reliable believe it or not

invite me bruh

Keksmuffin.1450:

I think 1v1s are too matchup based to make a 1v1 tournament single elimination if you want it to be somewhat fair.
I should know. I kinda cheesed the last ESL 1v1 cup by going condi guard against engis (sorry thijsken :<) while the only thing that I couldn’t have counterbuilded (condi ranger :<) lost his match in the other bracket.

use my sword generosity build it wins vs pretty much any condi ranger

unless they use settler which is usually banned ofc.

lollasaurus.1457:

Lol @toker best duelist

Ragnar the Rock.3174:

Personally I would take the second one.

Though I’d chance a couple of things.

1: I’d swap sword for scepter, otherwise your useless to keep people from standing on ledges to shoot down. Also the Immobilize is insanely good.

2: Instead of contemplation of purity I’d grab purging flames or stand your ground. The extra fire field is nice & it removes conditions for everyone around you & while stand your ground won’t remove conditions it will grant stability & retaliation.

3: Your amulet, I’d use captain or soldier stats instead.

4: food, I’d go for Omnomberry Pie. The extra crit is nice & health steal on crit is great.

ignore all of these except 4. that food is the best imo.

Like its such a pain that eles will land earthquake 100% because even if you blind AND put up aegis, they can take both off just by SWITCHING TO WATER. so stupid. this doesnt hit anything so why does it proc blocks?

pls hotfixerino

Terrorsquad.2349:

xDudisx.5914:

Slick shoes is needing a nerf even before future stab changes. It will have to toned down.

No

yes

Exedore.6320:

Win Ratio != Skill
The exception to this is the very top of the rating distribution. Those players have few opponents of equal or higher skill and they end up fighting weaker opponents more often.

If you scroll through leaderboards the vast majority of 65%+ win ratios are such players

i use caps q r for 7-9 and z for elite. i just use left click free camera instead of look behind.

ellesee.8297:

Headshot: the stability remover! Slick Shoes OP! RIP 8 hour stab Ranger elite! RIP Mortar(lol)!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

cant wait for slickshoes to take off SYG’s 10 aoe stacks in under 2 seconds

Black Box.9312:

kitten.1685:

Ragnar the Rock.3174:

kitten.1685:

med guard is actually one of the best 1v1s

It is, until you run into an enemy that can kite well & avoid spike damage.

At which point you may as well smash your head on the keyboard.

nope. it loses to d/d ele. and thats it.

Necro and condi engi also counter it pretty well. And that aside, anyone who’s smart will know how to kite one.

guard counters necro actually and engi is a winnable matchup if you outplay them

traveler sword gs is plenty of mobility in wvw from what ive seen. I mean you wont be running away from 5 thieves pressing all of their 50 differnet movement skills just to kill you

Ragnar the Rock.3174:

kitten.1685:

med guard is actually one of the best 1v1s

It is, until you run into an enemy that can kite well & avoid spike damage.

At which point you may as well smash your head on the keyboard.

nope. it loses to d/d ele. and thats it.

Banebladez.9057:

ronpierce.2760:

LB ranger is power, not conditions.

Your best bets for “condi” depending on how loosely you sue the term would be:
I’d say top are your better sustain, but might not be as “condi” as you’d like, the bottom being more condi but less sustain.

Celestial D/D Ele (hybrid-ish)
Shout Bow warrior Celest (hybrid)
Celestial Engi (Hybrid)
Terror Necro/Trap Shortbow Ranger

I’d look around at these maybe for a start. There are several others but they tend to diminish is tpvp viability, I’d say.

yeah, i noticed my fault) why no staff+weapons guard?

because it sucks kitten when weapons are on cd, or when its 2v2, 3v3, 4v4 ,5v5 1v2, 2v3. or when its vs any meta classes.

Narkodx.1472:

WTF do you guys want? The OP stats you have in WvW right!?

There is a reason the amulets come with a set amount of stats – BALANCE

3k armor 2k power 25k hp etc is NOT balanced and does not belong in competitive PvP

WvW is there for those who need statistical advantages

dd ele has literally the most condi clenase in the game and a ton of melee aoe dmg, aka it hard counters burn guard. so l2p.

med guard is actually one of the best 1v1s

take 1 cele rifle engi
pick either 2 cele dd or 2 cele shoutbow or 1 of each
take 2 of any other class you want

and that sums up the meta

Knighthonor.4061:

There are traits to add blinds to the active, but is that the only way to play it?

pretty much

Atherakhia.4086:

Resistance could actually be beneficial to the class. The way they worded it makes me think Berserker Stance is being changed to use the boon too. If they’re going to change Berserker STance to use a boon, perhaps they’ll also change Endure Pain/Signet of Stone to use a boon.

This means the Necro can destroy these boons and condis will be in full effect. I wonder what resistance will turn into…

TAUNT

Honestly not enough info to really speculate how this can play out, obviously it seems like theyre just going for more celestial viable builds (how we can support and do dmg at the same time). But we really need to see modifiers and traits before we can say anything..

1. team thats literally undefeated runs necro so maybe l2p?

Saiyan.1704:

kitten.1685:

Guys you have to actually read the post the guy made before making claims about the stances aha
clearly the 5th skill on longbow is the way you switch between stances, its obvious that you’ll only be able to switch between stances while in longbow and it will only have an effect on the skills available to you in longbow

It would be awesome if it was anything like that. That would be a change of pace for the guardian. I’m curious what the CD would be on switching stances. Probably 30s? Guardians aren’t fast paced fighters like Ele’s Attunement switching or Engi kits.

I suspect it will be either 1s or 5s (half the weapon swap cd). It seems like they want you to switch between the skills often otherwise there would be no real point in there being a 5 skill that changes stances, youw ould just make the skills scale with healing power and power so that your build will just make them more dps/support.

Guys you have to actually read the post the guy made before making claims about the stances aha
clearly the 5th skill on longbow is the way you switch between stances, its obvious that you’ll only be able to switch between stances while in longbow and it will only have an effect on the skills available to you in longbow

Harvest.2506:

kitten.1685:

Harvest.2506:

Shiyo.3578:

I’m sad. Please start streaming.

I’m #2 on the ladder right now last week was #1 in NA and Europe, the reason I don’t stream is cause i don’t want to give away my buildss, and I have way too many heartbreaking loses at 400 points due to idoits in random team. that don’t know rotations or take ranked game seriously enough. no one listens or can’t win their 1v1s and i’m usally just left to bunker 2v1, even when i win I don’t get to record much action cause i’m usally guarding a point half the game in slow fights.

51% win percentage is extremely bad I think we all know that the only reason youre “#1” on the leaderboards is becuase if you sort it by wins or losses youre still “#1”. face it, most games played means nothing. and the fact that you complain about certain things in other posts makes it obvious you have a very low MMR.

You’re not even on the LB lets see if you would have 51% after some 800 games. I grantee you won’t have the same consistency. Especially regarding my complaints in another post, which is why i made it to show I can perform despite the imbalance. You should face the reality that spvp is broken right now at lest in the Solo Ques area.

My MMR relfect my struggles overall against other teams as well as the challenge in organizing the RT, I don’t afk from games I play it through even when its hard. Your argument only validates my point on why I won’t steam. People won’t watch, even if I’m number #1. so why should I give free tips for someone else to learn off of? they sure as hell won’t give credit or acknowledge me.

darek.1836 is my main

Harvest.2506:

Shiyo.3578:

I’m sad. Please start streaming.

I’m #2 on the ladder right now last week was #1 in NA and Europe, the reason I don’t stream is cause i don’t want to give away my buildss, and I have way too many heartbreaking loses at 400 points due to idoits in random team. that don’t know rotations or take ranked game seriously enough. no one listens or can’t win their 1v1s and i’m usally just left to bunker 2v1, even when i win I don’t get to record much action cause i’m usally guarding a point half the game in slow fights.

51% win percentage is extremely bad I think we all know that the only reason youre “#1” on the leaderboards is becuase if you sort it by wins or losses youre still “#1”. face it, most games played means nothing. and the fact that you complain about certain things in other posts makes it obvious you have a very low MMR.

range doesnt counter medi guard, eles do hahaha

Roe.3679:

kitten.1685:

Roe.3679:

As someone who plays pvp and WvW, the whining about perma stealth thief builds is hilarious. Pvpers afraid of pvp? This is QQ straight from the WvW forums.

And no, I don’t play thief.

perma stealth thief builds will be op in this gamemode and you will probably need at least 2 of them per team at the start. that’s a fact. and its also stupid.

Then prove it. Facts are supported by evidence. I’m certainly open minded to hearing how you’ve arrived at this conclusion without this game mode even being in open beta.

youll see.

Roe.3679:

As someone who plays pvp and WvW, the whining about perma stealth thief builds is hilarious. Pvpers afraid of pvp? This is QQ straight from the WvW forums.

And no, I don’t play thief.

perma stealth thief builds will be op in this gamemode and you will probably need at least 2 of them per team at the start. that’s a fact. and its also stupid.

its annoying because those never use damage modifiers as irish pointed out. therefor I can never use them.

yay for 2 shadow art thieves per team!

people dont realize this is a 4 month thread.
well i dont know if theyll hate me for spilling the beans a little but:
word is ender quit and then joined a team with karina and edison.
also zeromis apparently quit once ender did. Hord told me he’d join my team but tbh Im not sure if hes dead set on that since zeromis and aeroxe might make a new team without olrun

Tom Gore.4035:

Throw Rock doesn’t interrupt. I wish it did so I could actually get to use Vengeance every now and then.

yeah not sure where he got that idea

Random Weird Guy.3528:

They need a sigil, 50% chance to gain aegis on hit. You know, because more random passive procs.

theres literally nothing random about guardians right now.

Phaeton.9582:

medi guard won’t cut vs abjured…… and d/p won’t be anywhere near a useful…

gg abjured, sorry orng….

they can run medi guard but only one and he has to play a sw gs spec for countering the necro. unfortunately that takes about 100x more effort than the current hammer scepter kitten meta which is just spam 1 on scepter and then press 2 on hammer when wep cd is up.