Guild Wars 2

Guards will get buffed next balance patch. The only thing is how much and whether or not theyll slightly buff worthless weapons and traits so that theyre only mildly useless. Sadly Karl has no idea which things need small buffs and which need big reworks. Youll probably see something like “Spirit weapons now have 5% shorter cd” meanwhile “Trueshot now does 50% more damage, is unblockable, and range has been increased to 1500”.

Darknicrofia.2604:

you want to combine a blocking animation with JI for burst…?

am i being trolled here?

well i mean 99% of the time its gonna trigger on something and do a kitten ton of damage so why does that seem bad

Mutaatti.2789:

infinitenoah.8296:

Ithilwen.1529:

If guard/dh is so bad off, why am I seeing teams consistently stack with 2-4 DH and win? In my opinion Pro League is pretty much irrelevant to day-to-day PvP.

If you lose to a team that stacks 2- 4 Guardian or Dh then you should seriously evaluate your own skill and contemplate if Guild Wars 2 is meant for you.

…So you were lege/pro player when you started this game? You knew every class and how they act and how to counter them?

I know most bad/new players don’t read these forums but still you assume that if team of 4 necros and a thief for example loses to a team with 2 DHs and ele/mesmer/reve, they should stop playing this game? Why? So they can’t ever learn to be better players?

And even if they evaluate their skills and admit they shouldn’t be in diamond or lege, if they already are in that division they can’t do about that thing anything else than keep playing or stop playing.

We need more players in PvP, so everyone should try to keep community positive and motivate new players to keep trying harder so they can learn to be better and keep community running.

OK but lets not balance the game around bad players. Dh is in a garbage spot atm.

Saiyan.1704:

Booms.3952:

Saiyan.1704:

Booms.3952:

canceling it resetting virtues would be an awesome change

There’s no legitimate cancel function in the game so, it might as well reset virtues instantly on activation.

While we’re at it, F2 should cleanse/heal instantly too.

F3 will be getting a change on stab I’m pretty sure. I doubt they’ll do the f2 thing. I think escape/stow are pretty legitimate in pvp though. Just because half the clueless pvers don’t know about it doesn’t make it unintended.

It’s completely unintended, that’s the thing. For example, the community developed Dueling servers themselves and Anet took the credit as if that was the plan from the get-go.

There’s absolutely no references to suggest Anet made Stow as a “cancel” button. It’s another thing the community (players) made for themselves to play better and labeled it as such.

My point is, Stow will not work for what you’re asking; there’s not a code to read that “Stow” or “Cancel” item for it to trigger an ability. They would have to make the coding function for the Stow key press, then make coding to catch which skill Stow is canceling, then coding for each ability (or specific abilities) for the new “cancel” function to work on, then make another set of codes to tie the two pieces together.

We know how realistic it takes for Anet to implement something. This is too much of a resource constraint to implement for just one class like DH. There’s not enough intensive to stretch this among the other classes.

dude that’s just not true. the code is not that complicated.

Saiyan.1704:

Booms.3952:

canceling it resetting virtues would be an awesome change

There’s no legitimate cancel function in the game so, it might as well reset virtues instantly on activation.

While we’re at it, F2 should cleanse/heal instantly too.

F3 will be getting a change on stab I’m pretty sure. I doubt they’ll do the f2 thing. I think escape/stow are pretty legitimate in pvp though. Just because half the clueless pvers don’t know about it doesn’t make it unintended.

Run the meta battle one with sword lb

canceling it resetting virtues would be an awesome change

meanwhile veterans of the game have seen every build possible throughout the years and it will take around 3-5 second for them to recognize the crappy build you’re running and counter + destroy it because its ineffective.

Eater of Peeps.9062:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

It’s not impossible at all. The problem, like in S2, is it’s going to be hugely influenced by your MMR rather than your factual play skill at that moment.

If you have high MMR you could probably metaphorically sleep on your keyboard and win since you will be given players with the best odds of winning while having to fight players who are clear underdogs (the kind of matches you can win even if you have 1 of your teammate dc).

If you are of low MMR the MM will stack the odds so badly against you any pro players would loose too to what they would have to contend with if they were in your shoes.

The mid MMR zone is where you will have easy and hard matches with the consequence of making win streaks possibly very hard to get and keep going.

The most important factor in any game outcome is, and always will be no matter how godly you are, who the MM pair you with and against. Long story short, the MM still handle very poorly soloquing even if it is by far, at least I think it is, the way the huge majority play the game.

This is true. I had a pro ESL player play on my account, with me watching. He played 6 straight games and was only able to win one. There was zero team support because my mmr is so low. No way even a pro can carry a whole newbie/baddie/low mmr team to victory against ppl on teams w/ high mmrs/wins/win streaks. It was proven to me definitively for good by a pro on my own account.

who was it

ive won like 30 (kittenty AG) tournaments and played in like 20 esl games on p much the kittentest service you can have. trust me if i had abetter connection I would have it, but I cant.

tell that to blatant and shameless sunfish

Razor.9872:

Krysard.1364:

Ragnar the Rock.3174:

Krysard.1364:

Condi reapers now and DH past season are/were definitely the most OP classes

If your serious you need to take some serious time to learn guardian weaknesses.

Guardian & DH is extremely easy to counter if you just pay attention & always has been.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5VrnYTCbzk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uyjBUQjeN8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q21IgXEppM

are good starts, Arken is an ESL level player and lays out the weaknesses.
After that read the guide for guardians, the amount of problems with the classes design are stupifying,

Kappa

Can you explain to me what this “kappa” inside joke is? I feel like I missed where it came from at some point, and now I just don’t have any idea of what it means.

All is Vain.

it means whatever was b4 it is sarcasm.

5th to legend on DH only but f this game I’m quitting for OW anyway
DH is still garbage though

this guy was complaining in map chat for 3 hours. he literally has no life.

ur a hacker boi how else did u get so many wins in a row? y r u ddosing people?
scrub.
and u were the one that was BLATANT AND SHAMELESSLY HACKING too

it was just a prank anet pls no infraction

Crowley.8761:

The logic in the OP is… backwards? I don’t know how else to describe it. If you tank your MMR you don’t get better players on your team – you get put in matches with worse players on both sides.

Kharr.5746:

Booms.3952:

maybe you’re just not that good man?

Or maybe you can’t read the forum, which is full of countless posts like this from different people?

Blaming the player, who already reached legendary 2x in the previous 2 seasons (evident from having the legendary back piece) while you yourself have unlikely done so is not the first thing to do. The matchmaker has issues.

x13 legendary tied for 13th ez on dh only

Shovel Face.4512:

Fivedawgs.4267:

I disagree, the skill cap on the class has def being increased. There is some great DH out there, especially the trappers you can’t (as a power warrior) focus them… because they always stealth away. As a power warrior, i rathe duel a rev/ engi/ thief/ ranger/ ele than a DH.

This so much. Just because ur class isn’t easy to play anymore and actually requires you to think doesn’t mean it’s bad. Learn to adapt.

just because people can make DH work because they’re significantly better players doesn’t make DH not garbage.

maybe you’re just not that good man?

phokus.8934:

The skill floor is really low while the ceiling is extremely high for Dragonhunter.

You really have to time your dodges, know when to use Courage and Resolve and really know when to get out of a fight.

The one thing that Guardians don’t have going for them, and I’ve said it before, is an “oh kitten ” button. They don’t have Endure Pain, Blink, Stealth – staples of most classes that can get out of a situation when needed. And Dragon’s Maw is leaps and bounds better than Renewed Focus.

DH burst and damage and control is really high with traps and longbow but to play DH at a really high level you have to be spot on with every move. You can’t really spam one ability and call it a day unlike with say, Revenant.

So I don’t necessarily think other classes can do it better it’s just that the other classes have a lower skill ceiling and can make mistakes and still get out when needed. You have to play it kitten near perfect every game but for most people, they’ll get brain fatigued and switch off to something less demanding but almost equally as rewarding.

All of this is my opinion gathered from gameplay.

guard still isn’t viable when played perfectly cuz there’s always someone who’s close to or equally skilled to you playing an actually effective build

Wvw traveler, pvp pack

Tested it last night and not the exact same weapon sets but close enough. Build dies too fast to revenants even on retribution. Can’t imagine the dmg an invo rev could do. Even less combo’d with a thief. Just no way this sort of build can sustain. Even if it could with the paladin amulet you have you’re doing almost no healing on dodges etc. Kinda kittenty besides condi removal.

Ezrael.6859:

Saiyan.1704:

phokus.8934:

I probably didn’t play it as well as I could have but for those who want to see it in action as of recent, I have a few raw videos on twitch – not meant to hijack/pimp. I just captured gameplay to review myself and see what I can do different with the hammer.

https://www.twitch.tv/mnphokus/profile

Saiyan – any videos of game play?

Here you go.

For the record the above video doesn’t exactly show the greatest quality players (I nearly 1 shot a necro :o.. ) but it at least shows my gameplay. It’s by no means a montage vid, just made it quickly.

@mrauls
I don’t use Trav runes because speed increases is a QoL change rather than a performance increase. I’ll lose out on overall dps throughout a fight.

@baroi
You can’t use Mighty Blow + JI anymore. They unfortunately patched that combo.

As I said in my intro, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with JI. I just don’t think it’s wise to teleport inside a skirmish AoE group just to pull off Ring of Warding. I rather use Smite+CoP vs Mes/War/Necro but you can absolutely use JI if there’s no condi bursts on the other team. Most guards use it just fine in casual play so it’s your preferences!

You can still JI Mighty Blow

that doesnt count

jebro.6370:

Well Pro League players & anyone can submit! Dont be shy!!

no point in even qing right now; unranked it utter kitten

Rezzet.3614:

just be glad you guys got a 20% nerf when it could ve easily taken a 60% nerf and/or have its CD raised to 10s

or like precision strike which got a 300% buff and had its cd increased by 1s

Darknicrofia.2604:

The thing that needs un-nerfing is the Hunter’s Ward skill function change.

True Shot’s nerf, although severe, is only secondary.

musu.9205:

http://academygamingnet.com/guild-wars-2-class-tier-list-april-27th-2016/

this stupid nonsense :
quote “Recent changes have been all buffs for the mesmer, which has only make this class even better than it was before. Running the same meta build, Flow of Time’s increase in alacrity uptime has only made this stronger which puts mesmer at the top of the charts.”

and it ignores the fact that mes has trash damage in team fight also is countered by war , condi necro , and DH even DD could beat a condi mes on its own .

and its titled as By Storm & Pro Leaguers

more ridiculous it puts tempest below chronomancer lol in A tier

and this is following the trend mes hate in pvp forum i wonder if some so called pro team intended to make false info to make mes nerfed into ground again hint there is only few good mes in pvp tournament and not every team gets one .

srsly , i would like to see any team in tournament without a tempest or rev . If they really see mes being that powerful , please run double mes or more vs another team with equal skill .

this kinda of article matter nothing , since now they calling mes S tier , later in tournament they run tempest ,rev ,scrapper and war .the words have no consequence in those peoples mind and hence why they never ever tried to prove their words by facts and action .

honorable mention :scepter condi mes was totally dominating pvp!

you will see teams without ele. you will not see teams without rev or mes. that’s why theyre S tier.

Salamander.2504:

Nothing. Just nerf the other elite specs. Reaper and DH are finally where they ought to be, or pretty darn close (and maybe warrior/scrapper but jury is still out). It’s some of the other elites that are an issue.

^
though I do think sword auto 3 needs to be changed to melee. also revert the TS damage nerf. If they want to nerf TS change it to 5s cd so I can cancel it and gain benefit.

@pve heroes
This clearly isn’t a pve thread. Op was talking about ji not usable midair which includes midcast on mightyblow.
I agree but I think staff needs the biggest boost out of our weapons.

Burtnik.5218:

Pyriall.1683:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Archon.6480:

Ellie.5913:

Rev doesn’t seem very powerful at all to me, I’ve been soloing then with my warrior using nothing but a long bow.

Ha, ha! I think that’s the point. They fall pretty fast to Sw/T – A/D, but they deserve it for having such broken OP abilities. I can’t begin to tell you how frustrating it is to be pulled out of your well timed evasive skill by some noob who pressed 5 on rev staff at the wrong time. How is it skill when you can’t evade?

Evade into the rev or to the side, not backwards. This is not a hard attack to dodge once you see it coming, and revs often make it VERY obvious.

ESL…top tier players getting burst down by Surge every single match.

ESL doesnt mean a kitten. Most of these guys there are terrible and i have no issue to wrecking them 1v1 (which i did many times during ranked). Just bc they play in esl doesnt mean they are any good. Anyone can form a team and play in esl really.
Basing balance around few players in “top” is just wrong.

classic bad player who thinks he’s good cuz he has a 1v1 based build

Burtnik.5218:

People will be surprised af once they see warrior in the “meta” used by “pros” bc they cant think nor make build on their own.. Tier 3.. haha ok.

See ya soon calling on nerfs to war.

there will be no warrs in PL

Infusion.7149:

I got hit for 4K trueshot in WvW yesterday post-nerf and today in PvP for an even higher amount so it still does damage…

It might not do the absurd amounts as before but it still hits for more than some melee skills.

Good thing precision strike only hits 7.5k!

Exedore.6320:

How about a “no HoT” tournament?

That way everyone can see how fun and enjoyable PvP is without the out-of-control power creep.

Ravenmoon.5318:

Archon.6480:

Ravenmoon.5318:

He probably is playing with over 120 ping. Nothing wrong with revenant though. I’ve never been rubber banded into the line of sight for the staff #5 Actually no skill “rubber bands” me unless I lag.

Hm… I wonder. Was playing earlier today and had no trouble evading it with dagger-4. Pulled that off twice. Maybe I was lagging the other times, or it was fixed with patch?

It never did what you described.

Ontopic, unless hammer autoattack crits for 11k then no, it is not hitting as hard as true shot and the title is bogus.

The biggest TS ive ever hit in pvp (at legendx13 and includes weekly tournies and AG and PL S1) was 8k. I did it twice. Both were with 20 vuln and 15 might. The last time I did it I was accidentally running the 10% more damage on cripple trait.
So yeah feel as you want. I’d say the average TS hits around 3.5-4k. Last night I was dueling Faov and my TS hit for 1.5k against a marauder rev. You know the game is balanced when his precision strike doubles my TS crits and his autos equal my TS crits.

Yannir.4132:

Darknicrofia.2604:

pro league season 2 has no class stacking rules and guardian has never been used ONCE (outside of 1 time from a team that was scrambling to fill a roster and ended up playing non meta classes for fun not on TS) while 4 classes were locked in meta and the 5th/6th slot being fluid between druid and scrapper.

Twice. But I’m glad they did it, those were the 2 best match-ups I’ve seen all season. I’m rooting for them now.

tage wasnt even running a real build lol

yo storm that’d be really sick so we can watch vods easier

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Community-Run-5v5-and-2v2-Tournaments/first#post5140604
??
its literally the first post of stickies

yeah the meta battle one is pretty good i got legend x13 solely playing on it.

Yeah the nerfs to guardian were literally explained to be because of wvw in the patch notes. DH able to screw 70 man blobs because brainless game mode? Nerf it despite its the 7th ranked class!! Disregard pvp it’s not like it’s the “fastest growing game mode” and they invest thousands into the PL!!
Also yeah you get down voted on reddit for even mentioning pvp

Razor.9872:

Excluding CC skill caps, trueshot and test-of-faith were pretty much the only skills to be nerfed. Albeit by a large margin, but many skills received buffs as well.

Actually they DESTROYED our effectiveness in 3v3 and up cuz hunters ward will NEVER EVER land on players without mental issues

sinject.4607:

Booms.3952:

sinject.4607:

Booms.3952:

sinject.4607:

1. fight dh
2. dh pops Hunter’s Ward or Dragons Maw
3. try to teleport out
4. cant dodge + teleport because the tight AoE perimeter knocks you down on dodge roll start up
5. cant damage, cc or otherwise interact with dh thanks to Shield of Courage/1000 sources of Aegis/trap daze/Heavy Light/Spear of Justice/trap blind
6. teleport out because it’s only option
7. knocked down
8. teleport out also hit you for 2/5 of your HP thanks to Test of Faith
9. eat True Shot while still knocked down
10. enter downstate or wait approx. half a second to get auto’d once and die.

dh had too many ridiculously “kitten ed if you do kitten ed if you dont” situations for too many professions, especially in conquest due to the value it creates in on-point pressure.

dude, im really sorry about your mental illness is there anything i can do for you man?
cheers.

Sorry about being on a pro league team whose most notable achievement is rage quitting mid-game lmao.

During the worst meta of all time in the history of gw2. Yeah sorry of we didn’t wanna play in the time of tumors.

Sorry that you fail at everything in life and at best are a 1/10 player.

Even if I didn’t own a computer I would still have as many pro league wins as you

Should’ve been named Zero Recorded Wins

Wow TIL being the 8th best team and a top 40 player at least is a bad thing. That’s pretty weird coming from an extremely garbage hotjoiner.

sinject.4607:

Booms.3952:

sinject.4607:

1. fight dh
2. dh pops Hunter’s Ward or Dragons Maw
3. try to teleport out
4. cant dodge + teleport because the tight AoE perimeter knocks you down on dodge roll start up
5. cant damage, cc or otherwise interact with dh thanks to Shield of Courage/1000 sources of Aegis/trap daze/Heavy Light/Spear of Justice/trap blind
6. teleport out because it’s only option
7. knocked down
8. teleport out also hit you for 2/5 of your HP thanks to Test of Faith
9. eat True Shot while still knocked down
10. enter downstate or wait approx. half a second to get auto’d once and die.

dh had too many ridiculously “kitten ed if you do kitten ed if you dont” situations for too many professions, especially in conquest due to the value it creates in on-point pressure.

dude, im really sorry about your mental illness is there anything i can do for you man?
cheers.

Sorry about being on a pro league team whose most notable achievement is rage quitting mid-game lmao.

During the worst meta of all time in the history of gw2. Yeah sorry of we didn’t wanna play in the time of tumors.

Sorry that you fail at everything in life and at best are a 1/10 player.

Aeolus.3615:

Balanced, probably some guy form the balance team was having problems with DH while fighthing on is necro/reaper , LoL JK.

Actually those numbers looks good for a balanced class, the issue is that other classes do have much stronger heavy hits.

You’re probably right which is a kittening joke. Just because 0 people on the balance team are above F-tier 0/10 hotjoining level in pvp doesn’t mean they should be able to destroy the 7th of 9 classes that nobody except trolls use in top tier. Like what a joke. I hope Karl reads this kitten and realizes what a big kitten up this is and reverts the HWard change and probably adds 10% back to TS. What a flipping joke the balance team is.

Wolfric.9380:

not thure its so bad … I feel like the skill cap was raised with the changes. Buffs to core mechanic and more or less one heavy nerf to the skill that carried many. True shot …
What i fear is that rev is to much now. And mesmers moa will still make players rant …

ok seriously I DONT CARE ABOUT THE TRUE SHOT NERF the problem is the hunter’s ward nerf. that was the ONLY significant skill shot skill guardian has. Its not kittening easy to land a ward on people running off node and i had some kittening pride in being able to land it 80% despite not knowing where people would go. Now I STILL have to do be able to do that AND rely on the fact that the person I’m fighting is suffering brain damage or is out of dodge rolls, blocks, invulns and evades. Like kitten MAN. WHY. WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY ANET WHAT THE kitten HAS GUARDIAN DONE TO kitten YOU OFF SO MUCH TO NERF US EVERYPATCH WHEN NO ONE USES US

obviously

sinject.4607:

1. fight dh
2. dh pops Hunter’s Ward or Dragons Maw
3. try to teleport out
4. cant dodge + teleport because the tight AoE perimeter knocks you down on dodge roll start up
5. cant damage, cc or otherwise interact with dh thanks to Shield of Courage/1000 sources of Aegis/trap daze/Heavy Light/Spear of Justice/trap blind
6. teleport out because it’s only option
7. knocked down
8. teleport out also hit you for 2/5 of your HP thanks to Test of Faith
9. eat True Shot while still knocked down
10. enter downstate or wait approx. half a second to get auto’d once and die.

dh had too many ridiculously “kitten ed if you do kitten ed if you dont” situations for too many professions, especially in conquest due to the value it creates in on-point pressure.

dude, im really sorry about your mental illness is there anything i can do for you man?
cheers.

drgast.1469:

WizardBro.4510:

@drgast – I’m upset because guardian get worthless buffs and hard nerfs when other classes actually get real catering. You must be one of those tower huggers that say guard is op.

It was a 20% nerf to one skill and a 7% nerf to another while 7 skills got cd buffs and 3 skills got damage buffs. Give me a break. Yeah, you’re really being punished alright.

7 skills that literally nobody will probably ever use again. Like period. Buffed the damage on 2 kitten skills that no one uses the damage for. Buffed the damage on one skill but made it utterly useless vs players with IQs higher than 45.

Darknicrofia.2604:

Anet’s summer balance patch:

“reduce signet of mercy’s cooldown by 5 seconds”
“reduce Purification’s healing by 20%”

DEAD kittenING ON

Zeghart.9841:

Can’t help but feel like this is just overreaction.

You’ve been playing with the changes for a day, it’s way too soon to call failure. Especially since the 20% to Trueshot was the only nerf the Guardian got, among a few buffs. Yes Mesmer (and Rev) was unchanged when it deserved to be nerfed, but only because their grass is greener doesn’t mean that Guard is trash.

I can only imagine what you would do if you mained Warrior.

as one of the most outspoken and one of the very few top tier DH i can tell you that the true shot nerf is not the problem. its the hunters ward nerf. that kitten basically just destroyed us in 3v3+. we aren’t even usable now.

Salamander.2504:

Booms.3952:

Salamander.2504:

Ragnarox.9601:

Salamander.2504:

Before the June 23rd patch hammer was the most popular weapon since Tage went medi-hammer. Hard to say it’s useless—it used to be meta before the powercreep.

That was almost a year ago…..you are serious right? I mean…right?

I don’t know what else to tell you man. True shot is a ranged (and rooted) 2.5 dmg coefficient attack on a 4s CD. It’s over 66% more efficient DPS than ranger’s (long channeled) rapid fire. Also, share with me your logic that you feel Hunter’s Ward shouldn’t be dodgeable?

40s CD that takes 3 second to cast which makes it incredibly easy to walk out of the radius.
/argument

Really, you want there to be undodgeable attacks and CC in this game? As if the game hasn’t been dumbed down enough. What kind of argument is that? Smells like powercreep to me.

Ok fair enough.
So let’s just nerf everything else that’s kittened so guardian isn’t the worst class in the game now because of this change. I’ll be ok with that too. But right now we went from 7th best to who the kitten knows what, but we definitely didn’t go up in the rankings.