Guild Wars 2

selan.8354:

then dances and sits over your dead body. The trolling is the one thing that makes me really dislike defending our camps. The double teaming …oh well i could care less as long as i keep having epic battles at keeps with skilled players from both sides, without trolling! I am looking forward to more epic fights like that!:-)

I agree it’s pretty stupid but if it bothers you that much you might want to let the people in your guild know this because they are pretty notorious for the corpse dancing/sitting crap as well.

Zephyrus.9680:

^speak for yourself. I enjoy fighting theves on my warrior, some of the most fun fights. And I enjoy playing thief as well. I don’t enjoy having broken mechanics available to my class though.

Sure, it’s fun playing a thief. I’ve had a ganker character in every game that’s had it available to troll around in MMOs. I had a sin in in AoC, a rogue in WoW, an op and a sin in ToR, a thief here for spvp etc. All with the express purpose of using them to roll around and gank people using the IWin alpha strike mechanics of invisibility and burst along with the easy “oh crap, unfavorable, run away” capability that comes with it.

Yup, it’s just my opinion but it has remained the same about stealth based ganker classes in MMO’s with pvp and probably will never change.

muCephei.9428:

I don’t think most servers outside of T1 and possibly T2 have server wide voice chat for WvW coordination, we’re T3 (Tarnished Coast) and I’m pretty sure we don’t. It’s a great idea and would likely helps us A LOT, but someone just has to take the initiative I guess :P

Kani’s idea would likely work to some extent in lower tier servers or with some of the casual WvWers (I don’t mean casual in a bad way) on our server who don’t know our commanders, It wouldn’t work forever, but might be somewhat effective in the short term.

…

I’m fairly certain you do actually have a community voip service going. I’m pretty sure I’ve seen it mentioned by people from your server in the recruitment drive posts that have been made for TC. I’m from Yaks, also in T3 against you, and we have a community voip service anyone is welcome to join. I don’t most nights because I like to listen to my tunes while playing but it’s really not hard to get to know the legit commanders with a clue and pitch in even as a ‘random’ on your server.

@the others:
I know you have a ton of propaganda being fed to you daily (FA posters above) but your analogy is pretty off base. It wouldn’t be a 2v1 game of tennis, it would be a 1v1v1 game of tennis where you can score points off both opponents. If one opponent appears to be weaker and an easy source of points then yes you’re going to get both of the other players trying to take advantage of this. This isn’t some conspiracy or alliance for a 2v1, it’s just coincidental and sound strategy.

Also without the points you’d still have people doing most of what you complain about for the karma/xp/money from those same events: PvDoor gives an event completion, ganking gives event completion in most areas, etc.

The only solution to prevent occasional scenarios where someone might feel like they’re getting 2v1’d is to make it a 1v1 competition. And then deal with the same issues you find in every other game: One side has numerical superiority, more people reroll to that side for the wins, snowballs, WPvP dies. The end.

The system we have is fine really. There are no mass conspiracies to 2v1 against you and the wild conspiracy theory about the people transferring, joining the enemy server with their commander tag just to sabotage the other team is flat out rediculous and I wonder what other ‘woe is us’ fantastic fabrications your worlds commanders are feeding you.

Wilow.3061:

LOL, game breaking…nice post. Other mmos also grant stealth classes “perma stealth” without having to work for it. Other mmos also grant stealth classes some kind of stun prior to leaving stealth (or some form incapacitate while in stealth). Please don’t bring examples of what “other mmos” do, and tell us GW2 should do it too.

You’re right, and they have always been stupid and lame in those mmo’s too, the most hated classes by far regardless of actual power level (as the nerf and buff hammers swing to try and compensate). It’s a stupid mechanic that should not exist in pvp games. It will always be a stupid mechanic.

Ninja Mentor.9752:

So on top Of this Whole new Gear Grind and loss of players that Many of us have to deal with fighting the same two servers who still have an alliance against FA is making me just want to change servers just because i know that if i go to a populated server i would not have to worry about finding people to PVE with because the thought of making a new character and not having anyone near by to explore the world and do events with and meet new people is hard to do on servers that are not in the top rated WvWvW servers. its just sad to see this game go down hill…

lol
Man you guys are like hearing the conspiracy theorist nuts in the midwest.
“Dem aliens are molesting my livestock! N da guvment knows bout it!”

applied disbelief.8763:

I have a guardian main which I enjoy in general pve, dungeons, and most of the time in spvp, but am less than pleased at their limited uses in WvW combat. The lack of range is a pain. Consequently, I was thinking about trying a warrior primarily for pve and wvw. How is the class faring in these areas? Anything I should note in terms of play difference versus guardians overall, or things to beware/take advantage of? Am I off the mark here and should just roll something else more fitting for wvw?

Well if you’re just looking for the most raw power and utility in WvW you’re barking up the wrong tree with the guard OR the warrior. Grab yourself a thief, D/D ele, or mesmer and you’ll be a factor for sure.

However I am a stubborn bastich so I continue to roll on my warrior. I have 6 exotic sets of different stats, along with accompanying accessories (and maxed jewelcrafting so I could swap gems in and out at whim) and you can definately feel productive on a warrior in WvW with a fair number of setups.

The ranged is probably a bit more fulfilling, though I have seen some guardians since the staff buff really up their support game during ranged fights (blocking escapes after a mesmer pull off the wall is always wonderful to have).

In PvE warriors are wonderful, though I don’t see really any class that can’t just blow through PvE. It is PvE after all.

TLDR: If there is a point I guess it would be “Roll a warrior if you really think you’ll enjoy it. However if you’re going for raw power/utility in WvW there’s better classes to choose from”

Fiction.6418:

I have fought many of these thieves, my opinion is.. wow you guys actually have problems killing a thief even in stealth? L2p

Hmmm…

-looks at sig-
“Evidence – Asura Thief "

Ahhh, makes sense.

XD

@OP: Blame the culling bug that thieves exploit like crazy. (Also blame the basic concept of stealth spike damage classes in general. They’re always lame and need to go extinct in game design).

kanikani.2430:

This is what happens in a game when it becomes more about ‘points’ and less about ‘fun’.

It’s a competition. That’s what happens. There is strategy involved. I play games for the thrill of competition, the sweet taste of victory and the sting of defeat. This goes hand in hand with my fun. I assume my opponent is playing to win, and if I find out that he wasn’t I feel cheated and the entire game becomes hollow. That doesn’t mean you don’t act with a sense of sportsmanship and being friendly, however playing to win and fun are synonymous to me. If I lose I say GG and congratulate my opponent while thinking on how I can improve my game, if I win I say GG and congratulate my opponent on how I can improve my game.

The point: I’m pretty sure that most gamers drawn to WvW, and the nature of PvP in general probably feel pretty much the same way. At least the more hardcore PvP inclined guys and not the casual dabblers (but we love you too!)

Nut.4713:

Hmmmm, do I complain about 2v1 now? I don’t know how to do this, new to me. Can anyone help me out? Maybe someone from FA?

Oh don’t start. :P

UGH why does it have to be a work night? Well GG all, fun weekend. See ya tomorrow evening, I’m off to have another nightcap and powernap before heading into the daily hell of real life.

the moidart.3612:

Ultimately the reason is because warriors aren’t very tanky without a shield. Guardians have a lot more options for survivability. That and all the people telling newcomers to use gsword spec’d for damage.

The only reason people tell newcomers this is so they don’t waste time going through all the spec’s that “seem fun” or “might be viable”, which are far more fun styles for sure, only to come out the other side realizing that as everyone gets better at the other classes the only warrior spec that really keeps up is some variation of GS + X. Or: How can I set up a HB? Stun? Immobilize? Knockdown? Hmm, so much variety.

:(

Granted most of it came about from playing the other classes spec’d to fulfill a certain specific role, then comparing the output to what the warrior does spec’d to fulfill that same certain role. Such as condi-damage. Or bunker. Or roamer. And in the end the roamer is the one with the most viability potential.

Ele, Necro, Engi and Guard bunkers poop all over warrior bunkers if you equal out the skill factor between the players. Mechanically they’re superior for that role.

Necro, Ranger, Engi, Thieves fulfilling a condi-damage role poop all over the warrior mechanics again if you remove the skill factor from the equation and assume an equal level between each player.

Back to that whole “Jack of all trades, master of none…. and desperately seeking purpose in the competitive hierarchy” mess that warriors are in.

Sadly the best thing warriors seem suited for in one way or another is the noob-slayer. Whether through rifle crits or landing that HB to score a kill we’re basically the class that most strongly points out “Yep, found me a noob. Hey buddy, go into your options and bind dodge to a key. Put a stunbreak on your bar. There ya go little buddy, you’re on your way.”

DeckerDontPlay.1639:

Impossible to track and catch definitely falls within the class description. Impossible to defeat is an exaggeration.

Actually the impossible to defeat comes from the whole impossible to catch or track. If the thief decides “Oh hey, maybe I should escape” he can, at will, without issue. Yes, the majority of this issue is because of culling but the fundamental issue is because yet another game decided to have a class which goes invisible, evades and deals high damage as basic a class design. These classes have been an issue forever and will be an issue forever as the height of the “lame factor” and either OP, or massively nerfed into being UP. They are not balanced because the design itself is not balanced. The culling issue merely amplifies this into absurdity.

Morthis.3968:

Too bad this combo hits for a ton less than the complained about combo’s and it’s a near melee range combo as well. I’ve also never seen flame grab crit for 13k personally, even as glass cannon.

25k is a “ton less”?

Hmmm, methinks your idea of a ton is a bit off.

Anomander Rake.8109:

Braxxus.2904:

Casty.9743:

this guy suffers all survivability to to do this tho. any dps will prob hit in return for 10k at least

Hmmm, this sounds like a very familiar defense to insta-gib spec videos…

Now where have I heard it before?

:)

(That’s kind of the point of the whole thing. After suffering innumerable posts by whinging ele’s about warrior “burst” among others it’s just nice to have video proof that they can absolutely achieve the same exact kitten)

Where? Here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/warrior/Instakill-rifle-still-possible

LOL some warriors are dumb.

Whoosh. Right over your head.

MindlessRuff.1948:

You might be thinking that you can do a “sick burst damage combo” similar to thieves but he literally wastes a stun break teleport and a stunbreak which also cures 3 conditons, as well as a third damage utility, leaving you kittened whether or not you pull it off.

So it’s balanced because he wastes 3 utilities to pull it off and leaves himself pretty weak afterwards? Kind of like warriors then.

MindlessRuff.1948:

Also note that much high burst damage could be achieved instantly following the fire grab and starting with updraft would let you start off with a Dragon Tooth into Phoenix into Fire Grab into Air Burst.

Ah, so actually he just did it wrong and can pull what a thief does then by not having to waste crap to set up the sick burst. Thanks!

Casty.9743:

this guy suffers all survivability to to do this tho. any dps will prob hit in return for 10k at least

Hmmm, this sounds like a very familiar defense to insta-gib spec videos…

Now where have I heard it before?

:)

(That’s kind of the point of the whole thing. After suffering innumerable posts by whinging ele’s about warrior “burst” among others it’s just nice to have video proof that they can absolutely achieve the same exact kitten)

Xorn.6079:

the problem is the graphic rendering issue that causing stealth longer than it suppose to. why blame thief? and capturing camps, towers, or keeps are not like in sPVP at all. Its bigger, and has NPCs spawned to defend the points right after its been captured.

Because you should never ever be able to capture an objective while stealthed. There’s a reason most games don’t let you. Because it’s kitten kitten /p>

Poizie.5187:

Dont chase them that far back…its the same thing as camping them at thier spawn

That’s just shy of arrow range of our supply camp… that’s nothing like camping them at their spawn. Seriously, if this is something that spreads then you will never get a group out of that supply camp who uses it. Can’t be intended.

Akumu.7238:

Pushed GW2 to the side for PS2 also. I probably won’t be back until Warrior is fixed and hopefully some other changes. Warrior is the only class I truly enjoy playing.

Until that time comes I’ll keep this game on hold, unless another MMORPG grabs my attention.

Another one bites the dust.

Boy our ranks of passionate warrior players are dwindling fast.

Cosmic Teapot.9162:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BDQGDELcUk

Target happened to be afk, and I had to get way closer because he was on a hill making ground targeting difficult. You can initiate this combo from 900 range and it’s all on a knocked down opponent. Fire Grab did massive overkill but still would have been at least 10k without bolt to the heart (+20% dmg on target below 25% health).

I don’t think this combo was possible until a few patches ago when they fixed the responsiveness of stomp abilities like earthquake.

Feedback appreciated. I realize this is a very cheesy combo.

Heh, and there goes every single argument and complaint any ele had about not being able to pull off what thieves do. Thanks OP.

I won’t call out the specific guild name, because you know who you are, but the guild in YBBL SW of Greenvale Refuge that just spent the past 5 out of 20mins exploiting some terrain bug where you were immune to damage while sticking half-way in/out of the hillside itself… Shame on you. Sad showing. Luckily for you we were too busy reporting to notice ULTD coming in behind us. Still, exploiting cause you got your tushy pushed in is pretty sad.

@ULTD: Nicely done, you guys play legit and made a nice push on our supply camp to wipe our group while we were focused elsewhere, good show. See you again momentarily.

DeckerDontPlay.1639:

That’s kind of the point of the class. (rendering issues removed)

Impossible to track, catch or defeat is a rediculous “point of the class”. It’s what some people might call broken, or OP/imbalanced.

Arkard.3970:

Also, regarding nicknames, I must suggest “Benders” after the awesome Futurama robot for YB.

I approve of this nickname and reference!

morrolan.9608:

What is a unicorn specced thief?

Death blossom condi-stealth-tank.

Main attack gives evasion, 25 stack bleeds on demand, stealth clears conditions / regens health / gives initiative, dodging stacks might/drops caltrops, heals itself x2 on every attack etc.

Worst thing ever to fight when the thief playing it has the faintest of clue as to what he’s doing. It’s like fighting a skilled d/d ele except the player has one hand in a cheeto bag and is watching tv at the same time while pulling off the same level of player destruction.

… shameram confession: I have one for spvp farming. It’s disgusting but ANet apparently hasn’t noticed it yet so might as well farm ranks while it lasts.

Soba.3041:

I like to think I provide a tough fight to everyone except those nasty thieves..:)

Even though you’re on the opposing server, solidarity brother. Thieves are the plague of GW2, regardless of what team they’re on. I wish you the best of luck against them.

Defektive.7283:

Braxxus.2904:

Defektive

And…

That’s the only one still remaining afaik. The rest of them/us became depressed and stopped bothering. We meet once a week in a warrior support group. I’d tell you about it but the first rule is…

I stream from time to time, but lately I haven’t been as much. Most of my friends/team have stopped playing and a lot are on Planetside 2 since we played the first for a few years.

twitch.tv/defektive

LOL! Guess I may be seeing you on Planetside 2 then as well.
I played the first as well and still think it was the best MMO I’ve ever experienced, got into the PS2 Beta and well…
Yeah, soon as I get paid on friday I will be enjoying me some FPS goodness.

Cogbyrn.7283:

There are as many of us from FA supporting a strategy that involves #1 keeping #2 down, even if it means sometimes assisting #3 (coordinated or not) as there are complaining about it. If you don’t see them, it’s because you choose not to see them.

This thread is devoted entirely to whining from BronzeDealer. He doesn’t represent FA.

^
This. Don’t worry man not every Yak plays into this mindless whinging all the time. Most of us are actually fairly humble and congratulatory about the other servers here when talking amongst ourselves in-game. As usual the loudest minority get represented on the forums and so the whinging seems endless. You guys (FA) are great fun to battle against, so is TC.

*Though I hate every thief on every server hands down until ANet fixes culling. Also the alt-F4 thieves are the worst. We FINALLY managed to see you long enough to launch a counter attack and down you, take that spike like a man!

Balidore.2790:

Mesmer has no dmg at all anymore, pretty much just annoy people while others kill. Mainly playing a haste/portal bot. Yet people will still complain due to them lacking situational awareness, and can’t tell the difference between a mindless clone, and a moving, dodging player using skills. I honestly wish they made mesmers back to the way they were, and just made the clones look like zombies or something so people can tell easier.

?
Phatasm/Shatter hybrid still kittens face against players 1v1 right up there with thief/ele effectiveness. It still has insane survivability build in to the class as well being the only other class capable of exploiting the culling issues on-demand like thieves.

Portal bombs are still the nuclear weapon technology of GW2 in WvW.

Cogbyrn.7283:

Khyron.8735:

They should randomize the matchups more. We’re facing each other again and probably will next week too. It lets animosity build. Specific players and guilds get singled out. Hell, someone on EB last night was offering 20s per screenshot confirmed kill on a specific guild.

If you randomize match-ups, you’ll get uneven weeks that will be extremely boring. The whole point of this system is to make sure that WvWvW is as interesting as possible.

And so what about “animosity”? To be quite honest, I wish there were more friendly rivalries that I could recognize in-game and have fun with. Anonymity in PvP is unfortunate. Some of the most MMO PvP fun I’ve ever had was Vanilla WoW in the 30-40 or 40-50 bracket. I’d see the same people again and again, recognize their strengths/weaknesses, and we’d start veering off to fight each other to see who could come out on top. Once they introduce battlegroups and queues, there were no longer any faces, just classes that you farmed for honor.

If WvWvW became personal, I’d be ultra happy. If people hunted me down in WvWvW, I’d be ultra happy. If a screenshot of me dead shows up on these forums (happens frequently when I’m not running with a guild group), I’ll be ultra happy. I want to laugh as I dive off a wall and gun for a particular person. I want to laugh as I see a group specifically converge on me in a fight.

Competition doesn’t have to be filled with excuses and mindless boasting about exploits. I want to know who I can personally congratulate for a battle well-fought, win or lose. The more I think about it, the happier I get that I get to see the same groups for multiple weeks running.

There will always be those trying to spoil the mood with mudslinging. Ignore them. If we’re in this for multiple weeks, let’s build a positive community around it and have some fun for a change.

Amen!

Well said Cog.

/15 char

Sounds like a scam to me…

At least that’s been my experience in every MMO since UO with guilds that have a “fee”

D/D Ele.
You can 1v1 anyone, you can 1v3 pretty consistantly too. And if/when you DO decide to support a group you have that as well.

Con: Has a learning curve. Once you learn how to play it though it is easily the single most powerful warrior on the field in every capacity.

This is what I’m usually running some variation of (copy/paste it)
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIEQNBMhNYkzJGO4hJOQceQlpQelC7UnkizwGA;T8AA1yuEcJ5S1liLqkMJJSymkLJZSrKGWMBB

3rd utility often I run bulls charge in WvW for another movement ability. With this I can easily swap between my sword/x + longbow build to a GS + Longbow, or GS + Sword/Horn, Rifle + X, etc builds. So far it works fairly well for everything I do (which is really only dungeons and WvW. I practically live in WvW). I went with pack because with that I basically have perma swiftness which is nigh mandatory to keep up with other classes that have it on demand, signet of stamina for perma vigor (ish) like other classes can do (also MASS condi removal), warhorn for condi maintenance and weakness.

I run P/V/T armor and carrion stats on my accessories which gives me a nice stat spread. I find bleed duration is crap to build for as condi removal is rampant so i just want my condis to hit hard while they’re up. Fire on my sword because earth was redundant and having aoe damage is awesome, hydromancy is personal preference (deals 650 ish aoe damage along with the chill).

Oh and the reason I run with extra adren on critical strikes should be pretty explanatory but when fast hands WORKS it allows me to flurry at 1 bar and rotate out to longbow for aoe fire with full 3 bars, rotate again 5 secs later for another flurry and sword rotation etc. It’s very very very much a “fast weapon swap” based build and the fast hands trait bug irritates the holy hell out of me. : /
Anyways, it’s working for me besides the problems warrior condi builds have in general but until ANet comments on that…. whatever, I make do out of stubborness basically. Oh and using a sword MH and a longbow instead of a GS or Hammer will really illuminate the level of crazy people have when they say warriors are OP because you’ll be scratching your head and thinking BULL KITTEN!

My god did the entire FA population reroll thieves, d/d eles and mesmers? kitten that’s all that’s on the field in rediculous numbers today. : /

Love you guys, but kitten.

BabelFish.7234:

Don’t listen to everyone saying how OP the thief is, they’re just butthurt because they have glass builds and are undergeared so backstab does 8-10k dmg to them.

28k hp, 2900 armor. Due to rendering issues impossible to track and counter attack the thief, or he can ez mode escape if by chance he does get in danger. The issue with thieves isn’t just about what they do to glass builds, but how the class does in general. In fact I’d have to say that unicorn spec’d thieves are far more OP in WvW than backstab thieves because they are literally immortal when you add in the culling/rendering issue in WvW that keeps them invisible forever unless they don’t understand how to use stealth after revealed debuff.

TLDR: With my hp and armor I don’t get instagibbed by thieves. However they are impossible to track, catch or defeat thanks to their kitten utility baked into the class, survivability and escape mechanisms that abuse the living hell out of the rendering/culling issues. No respect for them.

Cogbyrn.7283:

I was only on for a few hours (9 – 11 EST maybe?), but if hiding a helm is a property of the char, I’m the black charr with yellow hair and spiked shoulders. Also, odds are I’m either diving on top of your group, or looking for an opportunity to dive on top of your group, so I probably wouldn’t be too difficult to spot.

A fun fight was had inside Durios this morning as well. Death From Above is potentially my favorite Warrior thing at this point.

Right on, I’ll keep an eye out. I was on all day yesterday so chances are if you were part of the umber/durios war that occured we ran into each other. I’m the only Human in PxC and I’m the guy doing front line pushes rocking the T3/T2 mix of feathered cultural plate using ranked finishers (gotta do something with them since they add up so fast).

I too enjoy death from above during siege defenses. Possibly one of my favorite things is to dive off the wall into a group and attempt an assassination on someone before heading back inside. Got me a pair of golems from the golem fail yesterday with that, w00t!.

Defektive

And…

That’s the only one still remaining afaik. The rest of them/us became depressed and stopped bothering. We meet once a week in a warrior support group. I’d tell you about it but the first rule is…

I wanted to be different… but yeah, what everyone else said. Roll a thief, abuse the rendering issues in WvW and faceroll your way to victory.
If you want to be slightly different you can roll a mesmer and abuse the same rendering issues and faceroll slightly differently to victory. Oh and portal bomb.

Well, it would have been epic except you mentioned thieves. Which makes it pretty par for course instead. :P

I think I might have picked Cog out of the crowd tonight finally… Not sure though, so many charr guardians sporting hammers and greatswords that in the chaos of the umber/durios war going on before our YB numbers dropped to kitten again (/sadface) that I didn’t really get to tab through them all to spot the warrior.

Ah well. Fun times tonight. Towards the end a lone guildmate and I made a suicide charge to take the southern blue supply camp in EB (spacing out on the name of it, time for bed) and ninja’d it away from the 2 defenders there, dropping 3 ballistas and a treb they had set up. Almost made it back to Ogre keep racing through the blue army and being chased by 7-8 PRO before they finally dropped me within 1500m of the door to safety. Way fun for the two of us. Cheers!

Ekove: Just do what most of us do in all 3 servers – ignore the whiners and conspiracy theorists (along with trolls)

GG to the FA at Durios just now after the Golem wipe! Epic fun siege, constant front line shifts back and forth between durios and SM keep doors! Hope you guys are having as much fun as I am. GJ to my fellow Yaks tonight on EB!

Schwahrheit.4203:

Simple rule, you want to have a challenge? Pick this class and actually know what your role is supposed to do. Otherwise pick an easier class to play.

P.S Forum’s idea of balanced = broken, and balanced = underpowered.

I’m really starting to wonder if you are Rush Limbaugh IRL. Your logic and viewpoints sound just like his do…

Nobody.2574:

What is the point of PvPing, when the put you into a match by yourself against two other players? Really?

I mean, get real! What is the point?

If you’re a thief, mesmer or d/d ele you can pull this off easily and consistently. If not then yeah it probably sucks but if you can switch to one of those classes then it might be a fun opportunity to perfect the 1vX capability of those classes for future use.

I sure hope we can get more US West coast prime time active players here on Yak’s ( would that be oceanic? EU? both? ) I love this server matchup when we hit that magic hour and numbers are fairly consistent for all 3 servers but it’s a very small window before we’re back in Yak defense mode and outnumbered on both sides. Nature of the game for sure and I’m proud of the tenacity my server mates show but it would be nice to have a little more population to keep up the battle against our opponents.

Again though, I enjoy this server matchup far more than the others so far and our opponents are very fun to play against.

Warrior elites are just crap all around and seem more like standard utility abilities overall.

I don’t think it was overlooked more as the whole “warrior is the benchmark” for class design and balance and so everything we have is so very very vanilla and lackluster and was never reworked to keep it in line with all the upgraded class designs that followed compared to the baseline.

I’ve honestly never noticed ANY of the traited utilities like shake it off or defy pain work. I usually as I switch between build ideas throw those in initially for W3 but I can’t really think of a single time I remember any of them working and so they get replaced eventually for stuff I know works.

Maybe it is just like someone said above where it works at piss poor timing and thus is too late to activate to actually be of any use. I do remember seeing something in the bug thread on them before but I won’t hold my breath about a fix just as with fast hands that constantly screws us over when we go from out of combat to in-combat and need it to work properly since fights are over so kitten fast.

BlueprintLFE.2358:

Mate I work full time, go to school full time, and I’m married. If I had time to stream or whatnot I would love to.

Work full time 60+ hours a week, single parent with full custody and zero help/support. You get no sympathy from me there. It’s also completely irrelevant. Streaming takes no more time than it does to simply play the game if you’re that confident in your ability. It’s not like you have to manually type in the code per second to stream, it just happens once you launch the program.

BlueprintLFE.2358:

You say OTHERS have tried out these weapon sets and builds and so therefore they are bad, have YOU tried them yourself?
have you even tried any other professions?
Try it out for yourselves
testing it yourself.

Heh. First thing I did was drop the cash to buy enough character slots to have one of each class at all times.
I have absolutely spent time on each profession, both fiddling with builds myself along with the popular (for a reason) competitive tourney specs out there.

I have built for the rifle both as a primary weapon and a support weapon swap. It’s fun, but far better suited as a swap for W3 skirmishing considering all the ranged combat that takes place there with nigh endless aoe that hoses melee combat the vast majority of the time.

In competitive play however the rifle is crap. Longbow is worse. How many top tier teams are running rifle wars? Yeah…

Selectively ignoring the meta of the competitive scene because you ‘like’ a playstyle or ‘feel’ it works is great, but it’s still ignoring the largest pool of data about viability and balance available.

There’s a reason that IF you see a warrior on a team doing well in tourneys (and remember they were dwelling in ranger land in terms of desirability and representation in the competitive tourney meta) he’s rolling GS + X.

And it’s not from lack of experimentation.

For the record, about other classes killing to do what a warrior does:
Perhaps, however after playing:
engi with his multitude of burst, sustainability/survival, CC’s/control on demand and zero downtime on attack/defense options

d/d ele with the best 1vX AND group play capability period currently, along with the same zero downtime and nigh infinite self sustainability

thief with amazing 1vX capability along with built in sustainable survivability and movement/escape options, along with very capable group utility in rez/stomp security

guardian as silly strong bunker of doom capable of 1vX defense for an almost indefinate period of time

Necro with aoe condi shutdown from hells bowels, and in W3 using wells to decimate groups of players in chokepoints along with bunker capability (btw, necro is probably up there with ele in terms of the most maniacally fun class I’ve played in W3 in terms of badge farming)

And the issue with these classes? Bugs. Not design. Just bugs. Which if the dev team gets around to fixing at some point will even further solidify their capabilities in certain roles on a team.

It’s hard to understand why people are envious of a class which is promoted as a “jack of all trades, master of none” which really comes down to being “able” to perform a role, but being weaker at that specific role than someone else better suited for it. In a competitive meta this is a bad choice for a team slot. You don’t want someone that performs less than someone else at a specific team function.

BlueprintLFE.2358:

Axe/shield and rifle is amazing

In PvE

, axe mace and hammer is as well.

In Dungeons

Warrior is extremely versatile

At being less effective than other classes at specific roles

BlueprintLFE.2358:

If you think frenzy 100B is the only viable way to play the warrior then you must be completely lost and can’t design a spec for yourself.

Orrrr people have tried hammers, maces, axes, swords, condi builds, “tanky” builds, banner builds, shout builds… annnnd found that the GS / x builds are the only ones with remote viability at a top competitive pvp level.

Also, lol @ rifle in competitive tpvp.

Ironically I don’t see your name up there on the pvp leaderboard thread ANet dropped (even if it is somewhat faulty), nor a link to your stream where you show your dominance in competitive play vs competent opponents using axe/shield + rifle…

insaneshadow.1654:

We need people on Yak’s Bend to not make me look incompetent (good luck with that) and to hold my hand during the EB jumping puzzle.

Wait wait wait! You’re telling me that there is a jumping puzzle in EB?

samo.1054:

Oh COME ON! Let’s not start the “higher skill-cap” crap again, it’s always this stupid myth when some people in some MMO somehow decide that some class has higher skill-cap than others.

It’s not a “somehow” decide it’s a direct comparison of how many situational variables and options one has at it’s disposal at any given point in time to respond to stimuli vs another to achieve the same result.

It’s banging on a triangle (warrior) vs playing piano (d/d ele).

They might both take a modicum of skill to do, but one has a higher skill cap than the other with more possible choices to make at any moment.

nakoda.4213:

I am a highly sought after commodity because I provide permanent regen, permanent condition conversion, group buffs, group mobility, and a healthy supply of hard hitting bleeds.

Omg a 30 tactics “healing” banner, warhorn sword warrior.
You realize bleeds cap at 25 right? I also played with bleeds in W3 and you know what happens most times in group fights? It caps early, it caps fast and suddenly you’re doing kitten all. Also regen only stacks duration, not potency so as soon as any ele is in the group for instance you are redundant. Mesmers, guards deal with the condi’s better.

And in return you get the privilege of being weaker than anyone at actually winning a fight. Been there, done that.

nakoda.4213:

Your apparent lack of creativity is what is keeping you from realizing the potential of the warrior class entirely because you’ve got a bug crawling where it ought not to be about another class having more “utility” and “diversity” than yours when you continually refuse to acknowledge the diversity and range of the class you have that is perfectly balanced, considered OP by everyone else, and right where anet wants it to be.

Yup, having tried condi builds, “support” builds, burst builds, balanced builds, maces, axes, swords, horns, longbows, rifles, GS, hammer, shield, etc. is lacking the creativity to try and work with what the class has. Spending rediculous amounts of gold on multiple ex gearsets and accessories to tweak the numbers, extra bank tabs and insanely priced large capacity bags to carry it all in. It’s all because I refused to work with every trait, every spec both personally dabbled in and popular. Totally.

nakoda.4213:

Meanwhile, other warriors are continuing to post videos about their melee dominance

Yeah the plethora of GS HB highlight vids has escaped my eye. Oh or the myriad of successful and viable builds in tourney… wait, more GS warriors. Ah a rifle warrior…. bursting people down.

Hmm, nope not seeing much variety in “melee dominance” there bucko.

;)

I’m snarky cause I care and have dumped, and continue to dump my resources and efforts into this class as my ‘main’, because I want it to be. However in TPvP I have played every class and recognize entirely how the class I would like to play falls short in comparison to the classes with real gamechanging power in PvP

Brutalistik.6473:

If that’s the case about so many warriors in dungeons being glass cannons. Then Anet might change warriors so that glass cannon spec isn’t the only spec to participate in dungeons etc.

It’s not though. Really in dungeons you can, and people HAVE, rolled in whatever random spec they feel like (even unspec’d) and practically auto attacked, dodged and healed their way to completion. And yes in EXP mode for token farming. 90% of the success of the dungeon is about player competency really. Dodge the right ability, position correctly, stop attacking when X happens, start attacking again when Y happens.

Most of the spec viability issues comes down to PVP.

Also if your group is good on reviving downs quickly when/if they occur and has proper dodge/positional usage then full on DPS player spec’s are optimal for speed running. And speed running is the bees knees.