Guild Wars 2

Neandramathal.9536:

As far as I am aware the trait is 10%, and I have certainly never heard of it being cumulative.

It is in fact 10%. It is also not cumulative. Swiftness will just override it and set you at the 33%.

It’s a crap trait. If it was 25% like the other class options then it might be an option… barely. Really they should just add 25% run speed to the healing signet or something. But that’s assuming they’d make the warrior utilities something other than the baseline vanilla “benchmarks” that all the other classes get better versions of.

Mif.3471:

I think the solution is obvious….
Nerf Engineers.

Bomb/healing-bunker engi’s are still kitten.

Just saying

BlueprintLFE.2358:

Personally coming from Age of Conan, playing a bear shaman, I love the micro management aspect to achieve great results. It adds a new level of player skill.

MOTHER KITTEN BEEEEAAARRRRR SHAMAAAAANNNNN!!!!!! F T W!
Sorry, that was my main too. FFA PVP server (damned if I can remember the name at this moment). Loved the intense micro and positioning the BS required. Manifest weaving. God I miss mechanics like that and aura molding (WAR-Chosen) or stance dancing (Prot warrior and AoC-Guardian). Of course we have eles but they’re dress wearing spell chuckers so it’s just not the same.

OMG! It’s so
so
so
the EXACT SAME THING that every warrior is running to try and maintain basic and remote viability as a class choice.

Sigh

Dantir.9430:

people saying warriors suck probably only saw the 5 signet fail warriors…

And then the lolcondiwarrior attempts.
And then the lolhammer attempts
And then the lol’bunker’ attempts
And then the lolrifle attempts
And then the lolphysical skills attempts

I mean have you even watched the warrior forums? People have been going round and round trying every blasted weapon set, every blasted spec idea, every gimmicky thing.

But the warrior is good at one thing. Being the measuring stick for noobs. Are you dying to HB warriors? Do you find them OP? You are a noob. Once people get passed that benchmark then every warrior build, being sub-par to something involving a GS, then they have advanced to at least average.

Really the only thing I would contend with is that you have mesmers as balanced… in the same tier basically with necros and rangers. All I can say is “wut?!”
They’re right up there with ele/guard/thief. Great in 1v1’s, great side bunkers, great team support, great group damage, great burst, great survivability… There’s not a single thing mesmers are bad at besides ele/thief style mobility sprints.

terryolivver.8501:

It takes one kid to find a OP build and put it on youtube for alot of noobs to use it and abuse it. lol

True. Though I’m still waiting for someone to post up vids of a class OTHER THAN:
Thief
Ele
Mesmer

Going 1v5+ and winning, spikes and all. Those 3 classes have them. Many of them. The others do not. Possibly because the other classes do not have the mechanics necessary to support these feats. Ironically, the top 3 classes considered OP/Very strong compared to the rest are….

Jjaja.7218:

Profession Representation: (There isn’t a profession we never see)
Guardian: Very High
Elementalist: Very High
Mesmer: High
Thief: Medium High
Necromancer: Medium High
Warrior: Medium
Engineer: Medium Low

• Ranger isn’t seen on the list. Ironic.

Sorry couldn’t resist pointing that out, lol.

Tribant.8127:

• Yeah hotjoin. Honestly who really cares about tournies and whatnot right now…. sure people are doing them but honestly who really cares? Freaking boring snoozefest if you ask me. *

People want to kill other players and right now the two best classes at doing that are thf and mes. Low risk, high reward, instant gratification. Yeah spose you could throw war in there too but way higher risk seeing they get destroyed after they kill someone 9/10 times.

Pretty accurate assessment for the majority of players I’d think. The gametype and meta just isn’t really grabbing the masses of the pvper’s attention enough to really give a hoot about tourneys and the ‘esport scene’ for GW2.

terryolivver.8501:

Actually the dragonball picture is just there for laughs and has nothing to do with being a troll sir.

Actually I inferred that the dragonball picture was indication of you being a tween.

Riiiiiiiight.
I’ll get infracted for calling a troll a troll but this is about as obvious as it gets. Also assuming a tween from dragonball reference and thinking HB is dangerous.

Interpret Interrupt.3824:

full uptime vigor.

What?

/15char

NaturalPortman.9562:

Braxxus.2904:

It’s a bow.

What else does it do. It’s like the rifle animations. You aim, you shoot, you repeat.

Tell that to warrior longbow and thief shortbow.

They aim, they shoot….

Do you mean shooting fireballs or shrapnel bombs?

Yeah. Those are cool like wielding giant buster swords from an anime in one hand….

It’s a bow.

What else does it do. It’s like the rifle animations. You aim, you shoot, you repeat.

hharry.1967:

This was at battle of kyhlo and he didnt go below 90% after some heavy burst we ended up running away like a bunch of pussies.

Sounds like he used his protect me ability to go invulnerable for 6 second and you guys blew your wad then freaked out…

hharry.1967:

If you ask me, a little bit OP, any class can go on heal/bunker mode but they do healable damage, but this ranger was doing as much damage as a glass cannon thief.

/eyeroll
Oh the exaggerations and false memories. Gotta love em.

Sounds more like hacking to me than anything a ranger is actually capable of.

Aga.8641:

Step 1: Use the correct name for the classes.

That is all.

Meh rogue, assassin, thief

They’re all the same.

Clark Skinner.4902:

She just stood still in her well, with her jungle cat dying and coming back, and her getting downed and recovering fully twice before finally dying about 10 mins later.

Not possible.

/15char

Trigr.6481:

Braxxus, please enlighten me on which stealth ability is on a 3 second cooldown

You’re kidding right? Thieves don’t have cooldowns and CnD is available as soon as the revealed debuff wears off every time.

This is like ‘thief 101’ dude. There’s a number of ways thieves are able to use the culling issues in wvw to basically live in perma stealth while attacking.

zone.1073:

In my guild team, we have a guardian player that specifically does nothing but purge conditions from me, so that I can continue to do my job.

The symbiotic interactions between a Warrior and a support is an interesting dynamic.

Hmmm… You think interesting dynamic, I think “sad and depressing” dynamic.

DreamOfACure.4382:

Deep down. Most people want to be that dck who one-shots the opponent in the back before they can respond and run away before anyone can get revenge.

lol
More accurate generalization than most I think.

NaturalPortman.9562:

and here is the reason why rangers QQ all day because they don’t even bother to find out builds, instead they go on forums to cry about how bad their class is.

Hmmm… Nope, don’t see any “OP Ranger build of godliness” in the search function. Weird.

However when I removed the word ranger I found a ton of videos of thieves, d/d eles and mesmers pulling off 1v5+ people with 4+ stomps though.

:)

Trigr.6481:

It’s unfair to both parties, the ones that gain to the ones that don’t. In this situation the roles should be reversed.

You’re kidding right? Stealth in general, at it’s core even as a mechanical concept, is already a hand holding idiot button that promotes unfairness. If someone hit you with a channeled ability you shouldn’t just get to cancel it because you hit your “whoops” button that you hit every 3 seconds anyways.

@OP: Honestly I’d still rather have a mesmer or thief on that treb for those situations. Yeah your war defended them ok, but often at low health close calls or winning though down state on one instance. A mesmer or thief can accomplish the same with far less ‘close calls’ even in the 2v1 situation you ran from on your warrior.

Anti fun for me is the same as it’s been in PvP since the first style of mmo’s like this appeared:
Stealth (rogues, thieves, assassins, etc)
Mesmers are just annoying and rather anti-“fun” though not quite to the same level as the first one.
And probably most importantly lack of balance and viability/diversity in build selection available.

Zodian.6597:

yep and for that to happen the game needs to become more solo queue-friendly

True. Also conquest is just boring when it’s 100% of the gameplay type. CTF, TDM, hell freaking escort the yak would at least be different and keep some interest up.

But you could also place some of the blame on all the “good” players as well for sitting in free tourneys farming pug/solo queuers and talking crap. Mostly it’s the attitude they give off, like farming a bunch of random solo queue guys in round two while sitting on a meta-optimized team with Voip is somehow impressive and leet. I solo queue frees often and once you wait through the queue and get into the first round it’s fun, everyone GG’s. Then you get to round two with the premades and the entire round is just trash talk and being general d-bags. Sticks and stones and all, except then I am waiting solo queued for another team for an hour cause the people that tried free tourneys just said kitten that and moved on.

Even Age of Conan had a more community friendly “top-pvper” rapport with the rest of the community of casual pvpers than the ‘pros’ here in GW2 and that’s saying something considering the AoC pvp community was rabid and frothed venom at the mouth towards each other as a whole.

Zodian.6597:

We just need a competitive scene

Problem is we’re not going to get one until we have a strong casual playerbase that ENJOYS PVP in this game. Without that, well… Those top premades are just going to sit around playing with themselves all night.

I’d like a thief pet and a mesmer pet I can swap between.

XD

eXs.6210:

with heavy armor lol

Why do people still have ignorance over this…
You do realize armor TYPE is pretty meaningless right? Your armor VALUE is what matters and you get that by stacking toughness. I can get 3k armor rating on my thief just as easily as on a warrior by stacking toughness gear.

Also armor value and hp mean very little in pvp. Survivability has far far far more to do with dodges, evasion, active mitigation cc’s, target dropping, escape tools, etc.

Armor type for the most part is visual only and has very very little to do with anything actually related to the mechanics of the game in GW2.

Good catch. Thanks for bringing it to the devs attention man.

Trigr.6481:

So your supporting why the game should be holding your hand , great. You see I actually like to play the game, I’d rather not have the game play itself for me. If that’s the case I might as well go watch a movie because that is something I know I’m not involved in whatsoever. As long as any game continues to do hold your hand, and reward you for things you should not be rewarded for. Then it will never reach it’s potential to be a great game.

Talking about hand holding….
Defending/supporting stealth mechanics….

The irony amazes

Jumper.9482:

Lol. Seriously though, there is no 1v1 in this game its 90% teamfight. And yeah, OP its pretty balanced except for ele downstate and sig res.

That’s why the team tourney/competitive/esport scene is huge and thriving with thousands of viewers and dedicated fans following it….

BTW these apply to thieves in GW2 just as much as the game they were made about back in the day:
http://youtu.be/Vnvn0swfviw

nerva.7940:

Chill bro. Ranger still needs a lot of work. Was the patch good? Definitely.

^
This.

And just as an aside, usually posts like the OP are more helpful if you share your build (just a quick and dirty works) when you tell people they need to rethink/redesign their builds and whatnot.

I’ve been enjoying some pretty good success on my sword/dagger + X build and have shared it a couple times (in the warrior forum once as well) in the hopes that it helps even one person find enjoyment in their ranger.

LameFox.6349:

And I’m sure the videos are quite fascinating.

Indeed. Once you figure out how to see into the 5th dimension so you can actually find them it’s shocking how fascinating and wildly different they are from this dimensions reality. There warriors are useful in tourneys beyond hurrderrd blades on baddies and it’s beautiful.

Doomdesire.9365:

bunker guardian

Can’t kill anyone

, 30K hp warrior

Can’t kill anyone. Only survives 2-3 seconds longer for it.

, 30K hp necro

Might kill you if you run without condi removal.
So basically he’ll kill the warriors

, shatter mesmer

Has it’s own issues that put it up there close to thief level for animosity from the playerbase

, or burst engineer.

Cannot reset fights, cannot escape fights. Do or die. The way it’s supposed to be for heavy burst.

Maladon.5760:

Rock/Paper/Scissors is, and always has been, a poor pvp model. If you can win a fight at the character select screen you’re playing a really bad pvp game.

^
Exactly right. Rock paper scissors is one of the most terribad balance models ever for pvp games. Basically equates to: L2CharacterScreen

LameFox.6349:

Con…dit…ions? Aren’t they those things that pop up sometimes between my shouts, WH, signet, & healing skill?

I do hope they’re not dangerous or anything.

Yeah man. Sure see lots of those shout warriors popping up in the paid tourney team videos….

owait…

Ursan.7846:

Mind telling me the build? As you can see, I’ve been experimenting a bunch. It’s very possible that my Warrior trait build just wasn’t optimal. Tell me, and I’ll test it out!

BTW I see Killshot’s cd is 10s. How is every 8s possible? Is there a trait that decreases CD? (This is with the rifle 20% cd trait btw)

8s is with 20% burst skill CD reduction trait.

Build is
15 – V
25 – optional (I’m testing the new VI), VII
0
0
30 – V, VI, XI (<—Reduces burst skill CD by 20%, hence 8 seconds)
Zerker gear all the way
Divinity runes cause I’m lazy like that atm when it comes to my warrior
sig of prec, on my mark, optional, sig of rage (cause warrior elites suck kitten)
Rifle obviously and whatever, usually I run sword/shield for mobility and block/stun in oh kitten situations. Very glass, but hide in a group or snipe and melt faces every 8s.

Ursan.7846:

How often can you do 20k crits?

Every 8 seconds.

Just sayin’. Main was a warrior before I discovered the awesomeness of the ranger.

But yeah, every 8 seconds. Like clockwork.

Psybunny.8906:

Braxxus what are you using with ranger?

I am using:
0
15 – IV
30 – VI, VIII, XI
10 – VI
15 – VI

Soldier rune, Berskerker Jewel

Trolls Ungent
Lighting Reflexes
Signet of Renewal
*Optional (Often I’ll run Muddy Ground though)
*Optional (Rampage as one and Entangle are both highly useful so up to you)

Sword/Dagger (Blood, Hydromancy)
Greatsword (Or longbow when the mood strikes me, both with blood)

Drakehound – Aoe immobilize, a knockdown and a cripple along with decent hitting power (2.5-3k crits)
Wolf – Aoe Fear, Knockdown and cripple. Same as hound, only a fear instead.

Armor runes are always dealers choice but personally I go with Centaur for the power and swiftness uptime which allows me to have permanent swiftness just through using my trolls ungent and weapon swapping in combat. The other reason is that by popping trolls ungent early and often my pets also keep swiftness up which helps them stick to their targets now that tracking has been improved for them.

Psybunny.8906:

Is it really better than thief or the rare mindkitten dps guard in tvp?

I only do free (no team either anymore, they’re all playing planetside 2 now T_T) so my experience stems from there but:

Thief: I wouldn’t say “better” but I feel on par with it as a point roamer. I control the node really really well with a metric ton of survivability, mobility/evasion, CC and hard hitting burst with well timed pet swaps for 2 secs of quickness. That said I have no issue dealing with thieves at all when I’m against them tbh. Almost feels like I’m playing a hard counter to them now.

DPS Guard: Yeah I feel like it’s far superior to DPS guardians when I run into them. Of course I could very well have only run into terrible ones so I won’t discount that.

Psybunny.8906:

I’m ashamed to say it, but I’ve tried so-so hard to make warr work., but I guess at this point it’s my own lack of skill to make him work. Some people can make him work with superiour teamplay, but I no longer have the team to back me up, since others have moved on and I’m pretty much alone atm (team plox?). I don’t want to ditch my warr, but I don’t feel like being subpar.

I feel ya there man. I was happy, then my team got sick of the game and left for PlanetSide 2 (I’m trying real hard not to return to an FPS because dammit I want melee – fantasy style combat… but, yeah). Anyways now it’s just a buddy and I left here and trying to figure out what to do other than random free’s (where the “pros” just farm pugs all day) and WvW. I didn’t want to ditch my warrior either but I feel so much happier and more… well, like a warrior playing this melee ranger that I almost want to start putting some thought into getting a new team going for tourney’s.

Would probably be better with the longbow instead of GS though for serious tourney play due to the knockback and aoe for area denial/punishment on a node. I’m cool with that too though as I wanted to do sword and longbow on my warrior but there was that whole subpar feeling you spoke of.

Psybunny.8906:

For the usual superhuman warrior scharzheit (sorry don’t remember the spelling), I no longer have a team to carry me, so any of your usual “do mace+shield chainstun” strategies are out of question, but any other advice except pure dickery is welcomed.

lol, good luck with that.

tOss.9024:

Supporting your dev

People and businesses should be punished and scolded for failing to provide adequate service. If this were a restaurant for example and the meal sucked we’d get our money back at the very least. Since it’s the gaming industry though only thing we can do is voice our disapproval and eventually get fed up enough to move on. This isn’t the 90’s and this isn’t the old niche gamer industry where supporting devs is the right response. Gaming went mainstream, our niche community exploded and now it’s like any consumer industry. 3 months is far more patience than most businesses get.

w00t!
Thanks for the research. I’ve been using canines religiously anyways because of how they compliment my power/durability build (aoe fear, aoe immobilie, knockdowns and cripples?! Yes please!) and it’s nice to see that they are statistically in a good place.

tOss.9024:

Patience seems to be lost to the modern gamer.

Because this isn’t a niche community or hobby anymore. This is mainstream, it’s expensive and there are new contenders for our time every month which are also supposed to be AAA titles. A game gets 3-6 months to be a dazzling gem. That’s more than enough patience. Hell, most warranties are 30-90 days tops. It’s just a shame gamers can’t get their money back reliably for products failing to deliver like you can with say a stereo, TV, musical equipment or anything else.

Knote.2904:

Don’t worry, epidemic and wells are probably going to be gutted next patch as well. Then necro won’t have anything to be good at.

Yeah but that’s kind of their plan. If people haven’t figured out by now that ANet just wants a bunch of thief/mesmer/guardian/ele players only then they haven’t been paying attention. Or we all just really stubborn and want to play other classes than those.

I approve of this message.

(Especially if it makes more of the “pro” players whinge)

Cosmic Teapot.9162:

sometimes I just stand and autoattack it.

Cosmic Teapot.9162:

just stand and autoattack it.

Cosmic Teapot.9162:

and autoattack it.

Cosmic Teapot.9162:

autoattack

I hope this clears up any issue.

• On a related note you do realize ANet have confirmed that they are sticking to their guns about balancing the ranger based off of 100% pet up-time. The pet counts for roughly 50% of the rangers damage currently. Pets also die to aoes faster than skrit mobs and a single hard hitting non-autoattack unless it’s a bear… if it’s a bear, ignore it cause it’s a bad ranger.

OGDeadHead.8326:

awe extender.1908:

And I am not accepting suggestions from players who say that you can call the pet back. This is not a valid fix.

This is the truth. Managing your pet is one thing (which I do just fine thank you), it’s not that hard most of the time. But when we pull our pets out of a fight, we cut our effectiveness in half.

We are supposed to be balanced with an active pet. With a pet on passive, pulled out of a fight, or dead, we are subpar compared to every other class – it really is that simple.

This is actually a very very very valid point. If the ranger class is balanced around the idea of 100% pet up-time so significantly then the ranger class needs pets that are capable of 100% pet up-time. Any time you press f3 or your pet dies to a single aoe (lol @ pets being alive in WvW fights for instance) you’re basically pressing a button that is “Reduce your damage by 50% for an indefinate amount of time”.

And for the love of all that is holy PLEASE give rangers control over their pets. REAL control, not this press F2 and maybe some time in the next 2-10 seconds it might happen. Oh and the attack chain is completely random. Enjoy your pet! It’s just so… bad, the way it works currently.

KansasFF.9410:

Man… they might be the best class now.

Can’t tell if serious…

So, lol?

KnarleyMarley.6937:

It’s because there is currently a bug that is granting them way more protection than intended.

AH! Well that would explain it then. Hopefully it’ll get sorted out in due time but until then such a small change as increased projectile speed for my LB (no more “dodging” my arrows by simply doing the movement people would be doing anyways in combat) and increased melee pet tracking has made the QoL on my ranger much higher. Other classes can deal with the ele’s much better so I am just avoiding them and blowing up warriors and thieves like dropping bombs on puppies.

Panther Chameleon.8465:

I don’t see how giving everyone on your team burning damage every 10 or 8 seconds via combustion could be bad? I like Warrior LB way more than Ranger LB and I main Ranger.

Again: Please show me the LB warriors in teams running tourney play successfully at top tier.

Ranger LB since the projectile fix is like the warrior rifle, minus the bleeds (who cares it’s a power weapon not a condi weapon) with a kittenin AoE that covers an entire point. I’ll stick with the ranger one, and I used to main warrior till about a week ago when I discovered how much better designed the rangers are overall (once the bugs are fixed of course).