Guild Wars 2

Sigh. Well time to call it another night. Just can’t do much going <8 randoms trying to make a dent in multiple 25-35 man roaming blobs.

I don’t even know how to setup to defend against that. Running P/V/T armor, P/Pr/T accs with 30 defense tree for 3400 total armor rating and just getting mauled in 2-3 seconds (if I actually get a dodge off when culling shows me there’s the blob around me). Can’t build any tankier on my warrior and it feels like I’m wearing paper.

Bah oh well. Just a demoralizing week vs these numbers. Still for what it’s worth, GG guums…
Perhaps next week will be a more even matchup thought still looks very very lopsided population wise. Ugh

Thrumdi.9216:

Braxxus.2904:

They don’t want you to play support.
They don’t want you to play defensively either.

They’ve said multiple times that they want offense to be > Defense.

Basically if you look at the direction of how they’re pushing the mechanics/patches they want zergballs all rolling glass cannon burst specs spooging all over each other.

No one is asking for Defense to be made better than Offense.

All the OP asks is: remove the randomness from Defense, specifically the part of Defense that affects others.

Randomness has no place in a competitive game.

I absolutely agree. All I’m saying is that I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for it because all signs point to BURSTLOLZERGORGTFO

They don’t want you to play support.
They don’t want you to play defensively either.

They’ve said multiple times that they want offense to be > Defense.

Basically if you look at the direction of how they’re pushing the mechanics/patches they want zergballs all rolling glass cannon burst specs spooging all over each other.

GuardianOMS.8067:

Serophous.9085:

Guess the worse that can happen is Mag does bad in the next matchup, and all the bandwagoners jump to yaks….

We don’t want the bandwagoners, so how is that the worst? That’s the best thing that could ever happen.

You don’t want them, and I believe you, but we yak’s sure as hell don’t want them either! Get rid of your trash, but don’t throw it in our yard to do so.

Also:
Yay! Small skirmish fights! Push to Ogres! Actual Combat!
http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a633/BraxxusPxC/gw034_zps081911af.jpg

Kitten… what is that? Oh, it’s the culling demon. And look, he brought the blob. So much for that.
http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a633/BraxxusPxC/gw029_zps6f827041.jpg

And… blob removes the 3 things the 7 of us managed to take. Bummer. Sadpanda.jpg
http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a633/BraxxusPxC/gw035_zps69d571f6.jpg
http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a633/BraxxusPxC/gw038_zps35722fdb.jpg

Still it was fun small group fights for a few minutes at least. Props to the ele that was waving/dancing with me for a minute outside the ogres. Boo on your thief buddy for trying to gank me while we were sharing a moment of goofing off. But I got his bag, so karma was in action at least.

P.S. And yes, before anyone teases me about it, the blob made it so the graphics had to be turned on lowest settings to avoid stutter there for a little bit. I know it looks like crap, normally it runs on max but with the numbers and aoe that’s been getting slung at us this week… :P whatever, just pretend it’s being played on an N64

Rinzler.8072:

I want Huttball

Yeah, me too. Best new pvp game mode that’s been introduced in years, and the one that actually had the most ‘e-sport’ potential imo. Just needed the ability to spectate and of course some class balance tweaks. Perhaps dropping 2 players per side to make it more sport-ish.

Serophous.9085:

Guess the worse that can happen is Mag does bad in the next matchup, and all the bandwagoners jump to yaks….

No thank you! And curse you for even remotely wishing that terribleness upon us. T4, hell T5-6 are far better (IMO) because it’s more smaller scale skirmishing, coordinated groups making pushes, getting counter pushed, etc. Smaller groups can make a difference, and fights are actually tactical and more fun.

Leave the giant zergball wuvwuv style to the top 3 tiers and just let us enjoy more fun matches instead of blobvsblobvsculling style.

Wreckdum.8367:

daydream.2938:

Blink has a 30 second cooldown :P

The CD isn’t the problem. The fact that it is possible is the problem. It’s not balanced even if every class had it. Some areas in the game are drawn with no foot path to get to them. I’m spefically thinking of the little crane with boards on it at the mine on Forests of Niflhel. The only way up there is with a teleport. So if you’re a ranged class and you TP up there you have free reign over all melee at the mine with no counter.

Actually that’s not true. You can jump-puzzle your way onto the crane no problem.

Wreckdum.8367:

I prefer control.

I do too, and I do actually get what you’re saying. However he does have a very strong point about the GS.

Ignore lolburstHBohmgerrd! and just look at the rest of the skillset.
Ok, the adrenaline ability is crap. Unless you use it to refill endurance (traited), but I’d still probably plan it out better to do that with the off-set weapon which has most likely a better adrenaline ability that sets up burst/pressure WHILE refilling endurance.

Whirlwind: Like he said, one of the best (if not THE best imo) abilities a warrior has. It’s our only “evades while moving/attacking” ability like other classes get. Useful for defense, for offense, for positioning, for mobility. It’s just the bees knees.

Bladetrail: When the pathing isn’t stupid it’s a great attack, hits for a decent amount, requires a bit of skill to get both hits to connect (positioning control) and applies a cripple. Plus the range is pretty decent on it. Truly the only bad thing about it is the pathing issue (thank ANet) which is fairly common for the warrior though…

Rush: Kind of like whirlwind minus the evade. Great for mobility either initiating, chasing, escaping and WHEN it connects it actually packs a solid punch. Once again though it’s plagued by terrible pathing issues.

Personally I still try to run Hammer over GS, mostly out of stubborness and style preference though. I’ve also tried for ages to run sword/x + longbow. Again out of stubborness and style preferences. In S/TPvP (frees only, my guildmates all left for planetside 2 months ago except my RL buddy and we stay here out of stubborness really) it’s… ok. In WvW it’s both better and worse than GS. Keys being Mobility, burst potential AND defense (free evade is nothing to sneeze at, along with super fast adrenaline gain for +endurance gain dumps via trait when possible).

Warrior baseline survivability is so low compared to other classes that the greatest survival tool we have at our disposal is mobility to… run away. Very ‘warrior’ like isn’t it? : / (also as the resident warrior-troll said cripples/slows just KILL warriors hard)

I disagree with you about nerfing other classes though. Why punish classes which are designed WELL and fun / viable by nerfing them down to humdrum status. Guard/Necro/Ele/Thief/Mesmer are all doing extremely well. Engi/Ranger/Warrior need love. Makes more sense to look at the THREE classes which need love than to nerf FOUR.

Alot of warrior issues come down to bad traits, poorly designed trees and some weapon issues (mace/hammer delay is too much tbh).
IMO Fast Hands and Adrenal Health should be baseline warrior mechanics. That alone would help immensely with warrior BASELINE survivability/utility.

P.S.
Warrior “tank/bunkers” are the worst in the game except maybe mesmer, but mesmer is so amazingly powerful all around that it really doesn’t matter if they can’t “bunker”.
Guards bunker hard
Ele’s bunker hard
Necros can bunker fairly hard
Rangers can bunker fairly hard
Engi’s can, depending on the player skill level, either bunker decent or OMFGBUNKERDEMONWON’TDIESOANNOYING!

On any class I’ve never done anything but pity a warrior ‘bunker’ as I rip him apart.

Schwahrheit.4203:

Rangers can’t burst.

You are absolutely terrible at Ranger if you truly believe this because it’s so wrong.

EnemyCrusher.7324:

Also, I wish people would stop referring to “finish” as “stomp”, especially since stomp is actually a skill, but now we have a dev saying it too, it looks like we’re doomed to confusing slang…

I’m not a fan of “finish” either, my friends and I prefer the term “spike”. Dunno why, just sounds better to us to say “Spike that guy” and “Pleb spiked” than it does to say finish or stomp.

Neves.2905:

YB, you tried to brute force Overlook and we pushed you back, you’re going to get camped for a minute. Any action has an equal and opposite reaction. >:)

lol 12 people is brute forcing it… vs 30+ magzergmas. Yeah, hokay. /eyeroll

Roughneck.2509:

That raises the question: can you collect more tears with a massive zerg, or by camping jumping puzzles?

Massive zergs that ruin a bracket I would guess. Only the parttimers really care about the jumping puzzles, the real wuvwuv players are on the field where it matters.

Javy.1697:

G…Goons ruin everything!!!!!!

Given their history in games… pretty close. But that’s not really relevant so… moving on.

How bout those battles tonight? Owait, Magzergma sitting outside every spawn with massive “can’t see them cause of lolculling until you’ve been nuked to death running out of the gate the first time” aren’t really ‘battles’.

Wreckdum.8367:

No condi removal? Maybe. If you spec glass cannon… What do you expect? There is a thing called a soldier rune. There are things called shouts that warriors can use.

Which fully pigeon holes you into a specific build and spec in order to get the condi defense other classes get pretty much passively. Not to mention I’d rather just run with lyssa runes and signet of stamina which is a bit closer to what is useful while not pigeon holing your spec into a poo ‘wanna be bunker but not really cause it’s worse than ele/guard/engi/necro/ranger bunkers’.

Wreckdum.8367:

This isn’t a one trick pony. This is setting up team mates to knock people out of the park. You keep slobbering over the GS… You have the option to bring a hammer which is arguable the best control weapon you have.

Or you could bring another class that sets up kills while still being functionally sound on it’s own rather than requiring other people around.

Wreckdum.8367:

Stop obsessing with trying to be a 1 hitter quitter. IMO the fact that those are even an option is bad PvP design. A good fight isn’t a guy pressing 2 buttons and someones stun break not being up so they lose. It should be drawn out giving each opponent a chance to make moves and be countered.

Agreed.

Wreckdum.8367:

Clearly the warrior doesn’t have a comparable bunker build to some of the other classes. Which I think is fine. We shouldn’t be brought up to the OP level of most bunkers. They should be brought down to exactly where the warrior is.

And then the burst builds reign and there’d be no reason to run anything other than 5 full zerker 1-hitter-quitters on your team. Also this goes against your statement above about having super burst being bad design. The counter to uber burst are bunkers.

Monztor.9207:

Braxxus.2904:

Monztor.9207:

We do it classy here in Maguuma.

Yeah…. classy.

If it meant the exact opposite of the definition of the word.

Rephrased to “We troll in everything here in Maguuma”

Yeah, I keep forgetting it’s the Goon server and I should know better.

Monztor.9207:

We do it classy here in Maguuma.

Yeah…. classy.

If it meant the exact opposite of the definition of the word.

All the Mag zergball /sits, /laughs and corpse jumping like it’s a huge achievement to roll 20-40 people over 3 or less is rather amusing though I have to admit.

This is just silly at this point. Might be time to dive into Planetside2 like everyone else.

Well since there isn’t much point to loading up the game at all until the servers shuffle, and from what I’ve been reading the kaineng zerg is going to make the next matchup more of the same as this one might as well drop off some snaps of the typical scene everywhere on the map.
http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a633/BraxxusPxC/gw025_zps8144f88e.jpg
http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a633/BraxxusPxC/gw026_zps5c09030c.jpg
http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a633/BraxxusPxC/gw027_zpsd39a8c06.jpg
http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a633/BraxxusPxC/gw028_zpsb96e734c.jpg
And finally at our spawn after getting zergballed out of everywhere else:
http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a633/BraxxusPxC/gw024_zps16981835.jpg

I almost always end up with hydromancy on my warhorn. Getting the chill on weapon swap is quite nice.

French community?
Well kinda. There are plenty of Canadians for you to hang out with on a few servers like Y.Bend, C. Desert and such, many of them speak french to help you feel more at home.

GuardianOMS.8067:

Why do people still have team colors on? I worked hard on my armor coloring, NOTICE ME!

Turning team colors off only affects the players on YOUR team. I have mine turned off because I want to see what my fellow benders have chosen for their distinctive style, just as I have done for mine. However the enemies you see will still be uniformly colored to their servers colors.

Mike.7320:

Haha, had a YB zerg minutes ago bring their entire army up to The Godsword to take out some OG.

Its one thing to chase us off. You guys hunted us down lol. I tactically retreated from Godsword into the skritt cave still with 15+ people following me. Ridiculous YB

And seconds later a sea of blue armor with red names washed over the landscape in a massive zergball and it’s as if your moment never happened in the first place.

;)

GuardianOMS.8067:

Braxxus.2904:

saiyr.3071:

when it comes to talking about fight club.

Tsk tsk.

The first rule of Fight Club is…

Bash everyone’s face in? I don’t get it.

/15charetcetc

saiyr.3071:

when it comes to talking about fight club.

Tsk tsk.

The first rule of Fight Club is…

Ordibble.3092:

Yeah, if it isn’t fun, don’t do it. Funny thing is, there seems to be a sweet spot for WvW in this match. I don’t know the NA time zone differences, but the days I have been on this week it has been about 9-12pm NZ time (GMT +13 at the mo’). We don’t seem to have been too outnumbered at this point and have successfully defended assets and even done damage in EB for a while. It hasn’t been too bogged down either, with plenty of changes of scenery.

Nice.
Yeah, I’m part of the NA:PST night population. From anywhere around 8:30pm – 1am depending on how long I decide to play after my kiddo goes to bed and the sleep I’m willing to sacrifice before work the next day lol. I’m used to the Bender pop being weak during this timeframe but never this bad. Even fighting outnumbered against CD/FA was fun and competitive a few weeks ago because they had some smaller groups/solo roamers to locate and play with. Against Mag though it’s just been a zergball of red names back to back to back.

jcabe.7549:

Looks like IoJ isn’t doin so well in the wake of the xfers (as expected). I hope the people remaining that aren’t fighting are at least taking a small break like me. Time to take it easy and save for commander!!

Good luck to you remaining guys. Transfer scrubbies can diaf imo. Props to those of you staying behind. Wish we could have had a few decent fights this week.

Stealth by invisibility: Worst game mechanic to ever be implemented in PvP games.

GJ on your ezmoding conquest though I guess.

Truearrow.3527:

Braxxus.2904:

Well since xfers made this week a wash yet again (can’t wait for the servers to reshuffle and settle down for more fun matchups) was hoping to find some loj to play with. Just for fun since actually making a dent in the maguuma zerg’s map control isn’t going to happen. Of course even in loj BL and our own the moment you pop some swords in the hopes of drawing out a bored loj player or two to fight instead you get a nice 1v20 maguuma horde roflstomp and spike.

: /

Won’t give up since that’s not the bender way but it sure is a huge pile of quaggan dung atm as far as actual gameplay.

/venting

To be honest, and I was on NSP the first week when the whole Ruin/Ascension fiasco took place, I have seen first place how much damage this transfer business can do, I feel bad for loyal IOJ peeps, if Maguuma had a strong IOJ breathing down our necks this would have been a much more fun match.

Actually I’m a YB player, but I hear ya about loj. I was merely venting about trying to find a random loj player or two to fight for the mutual entertainment of us both since the maguuma zerg train is unstoppable and unfun atm and whilst trying to bait an loj player out to by causing some swords on their BL instead all I got was around 20 Mag’s zergin’ through me…

In fact I think I spoke too soon earlier, I don’t WANT to quit, but I’m calling it a night. As a solo player since my guild left for planetside 2 (except my RL buddy who is as stubborn as I am to perservere here) all that’s happened this week is a huge drain on my funds from repair bills, even when grouping up with a few fellow Benders to try and nab supply camps.

I bow to your zergball Maguuma, it truly is impressive and there is nothing to be done to stop it except take a break till next week. First time I’ve had my will to continue playing WvW broken by being outnumbered but I guess it was bound to happen eventually.

Well since xfers made this week a wash yet again (can’t wait for the servers to reshuffle and settle down for more fun matchups) was hoping to find some loj to play with. Just for fun since actually making a dent in the maguuma zerg’s map control isn’t going to happen. Of course even in loj BL and our own the moment you pop some swords in the hopes of drawing out a bored loj player or two to fight instead you get a nice 1v20 maguuma horde roflstomp and spike.

: /

Won’t give up since that’s not the bender way but it sure is a huge pile of quaggan dung atm as far as actual gameplay.

/venting

Schwahrheit.4203:

New meta is double Ele, stack sustain, AoE, and condition cleanse.

No really, its just cheese and face-roll, nothing innovative.

Sounds like it would fit you perfectly then.

It’s still silly how the elitist no-lifers (not all the pro players have this attitude, Teldo and Xee actually seem like fair-minded and mature competitive players, along with a warrior whose name I forgot atm sadly) will trash any comment regarding the game as it relates to the majority of ‘average/casual’ players with the silly idea that you build from the top down. For any solid structure you build a solid foundation FIRST in order to support the top. For the game it’s exactly the same; you build the solid foundation and then you adjust and tweak for the top-end. To do otherwise just means your structure is weak and will crumble.

XiL.4318:

I can win any tournament with 5 naked minion master necros. And they don’t even have to be good they just have to listen to what I tell them to do.

Video proof of this fact. Until then you remain a narcissistic blowhard with regionalistic bigotry spewing meaningless drivel throughout the forums.

Defektive.7283:

Also, I think Arena Net and the community need to just cut the ‘E-Sports’ crap. First make the game and the PvP successful first through intrigue, replayability and it being enjoyable for the masses. Then once that’s all done and dandy move towards eSports as a branch of an already successful PvP scheme.

^
This completely. Well said Defekt.

I never thought when I first installed the game I’d be saying this, but:

I miss huttball.

Other than the story and franchise huttball is really the only thing I truly truly miss from SWtOR. Whomever designed that pvp mode was a genius and if only the rest of the game had been up to snuff it was e-sport material from the get go.

I actually kind of hope this happens, OP. As a Bender one of the things I enjoyed was our community and teamwork in smaller groups fighting tooth and nail for what we could get. However lately it’s just been facing huge zergs after huge zergs. Ideally all the zergers will move on to form their hour long queue’d ‘superservers’ and within a week or two the abandoned servers will stabilize together into actual FUN WvW battles again with many small groups fighting it out across the maps instead of huge culling issue blob vs smaller culling issue blob.

Schwahrheit.4203:

Can’t always blame the class because you can’t carry or you don’t know how to carry with it though.

We’re going to always disagree on this. Being carried, and being designed to be carried is crap. Both in game and IRL. Everyone and every class should stand on their own without being carried. But I suppose some people just really like the idea of riding along the welfare line while other people do the work.

Schwahrheit.4203:

Because when you play a Warrior, you’re no Tank. You’re supposed to be a “carry.”

Being carried is crap.
Designing a class to be carried by other classes is also crap.

Waffler.1257:

kagemitsu.3657:

You need gold for PvE. I don’t do PvE, therefore I couldn’t care less about getting money from PvP.

But, if it can be helpful to lure new players in, then I’m all for it. :\ Some form of tangible reward for the PvErs out there, would be cool I guess.

A lot of players, including myself, who play PvP also like to play WvW as it’s basically a large scale PvP map. Unfortunately, WvW shares gear with PvE so you do need gold and such to make sure you don’t get stomped by people with much better gear than you. So I think it would be nice if there was a way to earn gold in sPvP.

Then go earn your WvW levels/gear. You shouldn’t just have them handed to you.

Vatras.2806:

Well, just have a lok at my screenshot I’m a Warrior, why am I, as one of the “tankiest” classes of the game, taking that much damage?

Because warriors are hardly “tanky”. They lack survivability when compared to just about every other class. There is a reason you don’t see warrior bunkers, because it does not work.

SteepledHat.1345:

Truly, we should get gold for avoiding fights and playing merrygoround with folks for glory.

^
This.

PvE guys and WvW guys work for their rewards which are used in PvE and WvW.
PvPers don’t NEED any of those PvE rewards at all, we get everything we need FOR PvP THROUGH PvP’ing.

Unless you guys want ANet to start rewarding pvp skins, ranks, glory, etc for doing dungeons and WvW etc then it’s not a balanced idea at all.

Might have more viewers if the meta wasn’t boring, there was more potential class/build diversity and viability and there was something to see other than “Player vs Circle” gameplay mode.

Just a thought.

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

2. ppl been on the forums stating they are the best at the game because noone beat them in 1 V 1. my opinion on that is guild wars 2 is a team game.

Perhaps you’re refusing to understand that the majority, at least going by forum activity, find the whole “find 4 other people, build a team, practice with them constantly, be sure that personalities mesh, wait for 1-2 to rage out, look for replacements, practice with them more, repeat ad-nauseum” to be tedious and not nearly as enjoyable as working on your own skills, not being forced to rely on other people, and perhaps just enjoy PvP with a few friends (2v2, 3v3 play).

There’s a reason 5’s arena was the most tedious, un-fun and unpopular arena mode in the game that shall not be named as well. Besides for a large number of people what matters is how they place/rank skill-wise vs other people. Not who can get carried by 4 other coordinated players against people who play competitively, but casually.

Rayya.2591:

mobility +dodgte = survaivability in PvP, not armor not vitality

Fairly right. I’d say it’s more:
Mobility + Mitigation (dodge/evasion/block/etc)+Sustainability (HP Regen, etc) = overall power in PvP. This is why guards, eles, thieves and mesmers are so fuggin’ strong. They have all 3 in spades.

Once again I find myself merely needing to agree with what Cogbyrn has said rather than type out my own responses. You sir have it exactly right imo, Cog.

+1

XIII.9615:

Conquest mode being boring seems to be the opinion of quite a few people on this forum. But I really struggle to see the reasoning behind this opinion.

Because it’s Player vs Circle moreso than Player vs Player.

Even the paid tourneys are extremely boring to watch. Ohh their bunker got mid first, oh look they’re pushing and now other team is rotating to the other circle, nope they sent a defender back to that circle, more people in circles… oh goody, circles zzzzzzzzZZZZzz

HPLT.7132:

Actually s/d bunker elementalist are one of the biggest issues in paid tournaments. That is not a question of low or high skill. So please inform before posting nonsense – Thanks.

It was a mocking post for Schwar/Nier copying his usual elitist drivel format in his replies to others about issues. Don’t take it seriously.

Yiyojin.3241:

Luck my but If you are not PvE-ing, i have no idea how you got thos collors.
I have a lot of friends that do only PvP since I do only PvP. How many of them have “cool” collors? No one.

I see tons of guys in the mists and in-game matches with ‘cool’ colors. I’ve gotten plenty of rare ‘cool’ dyes out of buying chests via glory. It’s all luck man. Just like in PvE unless you spend the gold to buy it, and if you trade gems via tourney wins you can do that as well.

Jason Segel.2908:

1. Do you like having no dedicated healers?

2. Do you wish you could play a dedicated healer(because that’s your play style)?

3. Do you feel the game achieved balance by taking out dedicated healers?

1. Sure. It’s different. In theory the whole “Every class is viable and can play how the player likes to play” is awesome. Sadly that’s just not true. At all. Even remotely.

2. Meh some days sure, most days I just don’t care. Honestly my role was always the main tank, and my best friend was a healer. Except AoC where I fell in love with the bear shaman so we swapped roles and he tanked instead while I healed.

3. Nope. Balance is pretty bad overall. Of course I absolutely do not accept “We balance around having a dedicated GROUP” as good balance. If there’s not 1v1 balance, then balance fails imo. Of course every MMO seems to fail at this too so it’s par for course. Always ends up being “L2Roll (the right class)” if you want the best overall success in PvP in these games, regardless of if it’s actually a class you want to play or not. : /

Sure would be nice if people realized that nationalism and pride based on geographical location is one of the most asinine and profoundly stupid thought processes humans possess.

Xeph.4513:

I don’t get why people have to be rude and condescending, all this person asked for is help, so either try and provide it or just say nothing at all; this really represents what is wrong with this community right now, all to eager to get at each others throats.

^
This exactly. Thank you for bringing it up first. It’s nice to see one of the more dedicated players showing that you don’t have to be a jerk to compete in pvp.

Crippledcow.1452:

Are we playing the same class here? i can 1v3 on my warrior and still come out on top.

Video proof please.
I can supply you with a number of videos of thieves doing this, ele’s as well. A few mesmer vids spotlight this capability.

Please show us your video of you going 1vGroup (3+) in competent fights and winning. No sarcasm, the warrior community really needs videos that compete with the big 3.