Guild Wars 2

Frankly most of us just disagree with you arheundel.
And heals are only “OP” on ele when stacking as a bunker and playing player vs circle shoebox map gameplay (tourneys).

I’m not a fan of glyph at all. I liked using signet, but recently I’ve started running ER because it heals for the most spike hp on activation, has a 15 second cooldown and clears 3 conditions (if I’m not interrupted, which is a matter of timing it right and movement really). This means I was able to drop points from water and put them into air for +20% damage vs opponents 33%hp and under, along with 10 in earth for protection on aura use since I have great condi removal between cleansing fire and my heal without needing the water line anymore.

Of course this is in WuvWuv where I’m not trapped in tiny shoebox of a stand in the circle gamestyle and can actually use terrain and freedom of movement to control the flow of fights as well.

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

useless like mesmer -snip- in top lvl play.

Wut?

/15char

If you want to be in demand, and spend the least amount of effort possible for tourney play then roll a mesmer.

Same thing but with a little more balanced nature go guardian (will remind you of your warrior, only better).

Ele if you want to go for twitch and keyboard piano playing fun (with power that rewards the skill ceiling)

If you like a challenge join the fungineer nation and work your butt off (but have a blast doing so).

Dagins.5163:

Maybe it is the right way? Maybe we all should roll eles, so the circle of balance will be completed?

On a good note at least everyone would actually be playing classes with some modicum of skill requirement and high skill ceiling.

Opposed to mesmers/thieves/warriors.

On a second note what they SHOULD do is fix engi’s so they perform at the same level as eles since they’re pretty much on the same level as far as skill ceiling when compared to other classes.

So…. in summary basically:
Please limit player choices
and
Team jealousy?

Hmmm

This thread is now about silly geographical biases and superiority complexes….
yet again.

Scoobaniec.9561:

@Braxxus

U thinking like most braindead players. If u decrease damage on hb its will be useless, right now its slighty better than reg hits. Quickness makes its op, its makes any skill op, u will ask to nerf axe reg hits cause they hit about 90% of hb in same time?

If they want to keep hb as selfroot, we should have evade status while casting it just like mesmer with their blu blu blu frenzii.

And you’re thinking like most jackkittens. However I will accept that perhaps I wasn’t clear enough.
Remove the root, decrease HB duration by 50% which subsequently nerfs the damage by 50% (because it’s no longer 2 seconds of OMGBURST, it’s now 1 second of OMGBURST) and then you have the basis for fixing warrior issues like crip/chill providing a shut-down on them, sustainability (crappy heal scaling for shout builds and the silliness of banner clunkiness) and other weapons issues that are present without everyone getting all “HURRDURRNEVABUFFWARSCUZOP!” about it.

That would still leave HB as an option over auto attack, it just wouldn’t be a lol13k frenzy burst in 1 second, it’d be a lol6.5k frenzy burst in .5 seconds. Kind of like pistol whip and blurred frenzy, only instead of evasion/stun we’d have mobility with it. Fair tradeoff imo.

Vodka.3958:

Bunker Ele is the strongest class in the game!

Pfffffft.

Highest skill ceiling for sure. Average ele players are more skilled than the greatest thief players by leagues in comparison. Warrior players don’t even register on the same scale as ele’s because their skill cap is so low by comparison.

Why do you want to keep removing all the fun toys from wvw?
Pet whistles
Golems in boxes
Gears…

Next it’ll be venoms

Sigh

Oh there’s talking in streams. It’s just all a bunch of ego stroking and insulting the other team. If that was something someone wanted to listen to they could go to the nearest school playground for a few hours.

LieutenantGoogle.7326:

skills are wayyyyyy too predictable.

Ignoring that the warriors build variety sucks horrible horrible kitten bawlz. I still don’t know why ANet hasn’t listened to the same suggestions for fixing the HB QQ (both about it being OP and complete crap) by something so simple as what’s been suggested a thousand times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll0FsjDlDko&list=PL0C76071FE3293CBF&index=14

I mean come on, their dev team could hotfix this change in a matter of minutes. Remove root, decrease damage.

Get rid of stealth stomping. The other ones are fine imo because they actually require the use of a CD/Utility. Mistform is a long cd just to get that stomp, stability (on wars, guards) is a decent sized utility cd.

Mesmer distortion stomps I’m not sure about considering it’s a baseline ability like thieves cnd.

zone.1073:

In the most recent SotG, the devs said that mist-form channeling the buffs on Silent Storm was unintentional. They said they would apply the same principles as seen when invulnerability makes a player unable to cap a point.

Question: If invulnerability makes you unable to cap a point, and makes you unable to channel cap a buff, then what about finishing downed opponents? Why aren’t those same principles applied to stomping people while invulnerable?

One could say, “But then squishies like Mesmers and loleles would struggle to stomp people.” Perhaps that should be the trade-off for building into so much damage? If one does not have the durability to finish downed opponents, why should they be able to bypass their own weaknesses with the cheesy mechanic of invulnerability-stomping?

Eles build into… damage?
Wut?

To quote caffynated:
“I liked what the devs had to say for the most part. The problem is that they’re only talking to tPvP players who see everything through their gun fight in a hallway meta. They whine about things being OP that are weak anywhere outside of a shoe box. These SOTG talks really need to include people from WvW who have a better handle on how classes interact in a more complex environment than a 12’ radius circle.”

Nice. I quite enjoyed that.

(Except like other vids it made me feel really old because I just don’t ‘get’ the music you kids listen to nowadays. Like I heard parts that were ok and melodic and then it goes into that casio keyboard with tourettes kind of stuff and loses me, lol. )

Sovereign.1093:

Braxxus.2904:

Rezzet.3614:

Yak needs more night time player we lost this week cuz everytime we go sleep bam map is taken until about 1-2 PM next day . now im seeing what a mistake it was changing server from CD lol.

lol, how did you not know this? We Benders have been honest and forthcoming about our lack of a night presence in every thread since forever.

:)

YB is a good server, though they’re not winning now, they’re formidable. This happened to be just that season to have difficulties in, like we CD had last week. Keep the faith.

I don’t have a faith issue Was just saying that you seem surprised that Benders are lacking in population overnight (oceanic presence). It’s been well known since forever that this issue is there.

showatt.9413:

Guys guys clearly rifle + banner warriors are the best…

I wet myself on my guardian everytime I see a warrior holding a rifle.

Icwutudidthar. And I lol’d.

Rezzet.3614:

Yak needs more night time player we lost this week cuz everytime we go sleep bam map is taken until about 1-2 PM next day . now im seeing what a mistake it was changing server from CD lol.

lol, how did you not know this? We Benders have been honest and forthcoming about our lack of a night presence in every thread since forever.

:)

DuhGeneral.8940:

idk where all get these thief backstab numbers from but i average an 8-9k backstab on lvl 80’s in wvw no matter the class except guardians it like 6k

+ the 4-5k steal/mug
+ the 2k cnd
THEN the 8-9k backstab

So 14-16k pretty much instantly. Commence 2 spam. Profit.

Lucifer.3748:

Lmfao how is this lame?

Lets see…

It’s like their sports channel

Yeah… lol

Lucifer.3748:

It’s like their sports

Lucifer.3748:

like sports

Lucifer.3748:

sports

ROFL!

Nier.2478:

I like how you laugh over something that’s a “living.” They’re definitely making more than you do.

Yeah, again relates to reality tv ‘stars’. They make more money than a lot of people that actually contribute to society. Doesn’t mean it’s not laugh worthy. Same thing.

MiLkZz.4789:

I am not talking about PvP, I don’t play that.

Exactly.

/15chars

Stupid character limit: I also play wuvwuv. I enjoy it. I roam. I do small man. Your warriors are being carried by zergballing. That’s all it is man.

So there’s an engi, charr, from CD (guild tag DC?) with a rather invincible/immortal bunker build going on. Fought you outside GB in YBBL. I was the warrior. Came to a stalemate between the 2 of us. SBI dude thought he’d join your side. After luring him to the tower, dropping him and watching him alt+f4 we continued until the bridge. Another stalemate. Danced together. Bunch of my guys came, you still goosechased the YB group for a while. I mourned your final spiking.

Good fights. Wish my warrior, who I’m sure you noticed in our stalemate I’ve tried to spec/gear for, could bunker like your engi does. Was a fun fight for a while, stalemates and all. Cheers!

MiLkZz.4789:

Red Guard is laughing their kitten off at this thread and I am laughing too and my guild mates laughed too. So we all had a good laugh.

Anyway, combine handful of warriors and guardians as backbone, give em a mesmer and 2-3 eles and you’ll be rolling everything in WvW. All of you go full glasscanon builds thinking you’ll kitten everything and get bursted down in a microsecond, no kitten…

Red Guard video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dovx_c_OyZQ

Notice how they have tons of warriors? Not so bad after all?

Notice that your entire premise relies on getting carried by other people? Carried by other classes, and having an organized zerg around you to babysit the warriors?

Yeah… Some people like leeching welfare, other people prefer to stand on their own two feet.

waka.9826:

I swear, certain individuals in this forum sound as if they are living on the streets desperate for gw2 to go “esports” so they can make money.

Sorry but I can’t help myself from laughing when I even hear the word “esport”.

Remember kids, games are for fun.

Agreed wholeheartedly. The whole thing is more sad than tv ‘reality stars’ are.

Kellhus.8071:

If you die to a hammer warrior, you’re asleep at the wheel.

They have the slowest gd swing animations I’ve ever seen, and one of their KBs roots them to swing in a frontal arc.

If you had said GS, I might have believed this wasn’t a troll.. But hammer? C’mon now.

^
Exactly.

The ONLY warrior builds that are semi-viable involve GS.
The off-hand weapon changes up, hell even LB and GS. But GS nonetheless.

daydream.2938:

In korea they broadcast top videogamers on tv.

Which is pretty lame. Worse than America’s ‘snookie’ type tv broadcast fascinations.

Warriors go GC or go gimpy.

That is all.

Xiomaro.2563:

Is it just me or does the average American have a shorter attention span than the average European?
Do Americans just get bored of things more quickly? Or do they tend to move onto other games sooner?

Yup.
Culture of ADD/Instant gratification.

“Are “support” warriors really worth it?" ~ OP

Nope.

Stupid character limit. Ok, Nope because shout heals scale TERRIBLY bad and you sacrifice far too much to get the number off the heal that should be baseline.

If you go full cleric your shout will heal 10% of your HP…. if you were wearing berserker gear with absolutely 0 in the vitality tree. Full clerics for a heal that can be removed by an auto attack crit….

The shouts themselves are lackluster. FGJ is a buff-bot spam button (basically a signet of rage) and shake it off only removes 1 condition. Fear me is on a huge cooldown and OMM is a single target vun debuff.

Banners scale better, provid blast finishers and you only need 1, with cd trait. However they are clunky and silly to try and use in any setting other than PvE.

Usually the best ‘support’ a warrior brings to a group is rolling pure GC with a GS and blowing everything up.

Dabrixmgp.4758:

Yet Hammer warriors just global me no matter what class I have tried.

Ok…

wait, wut?!

Dabrixmgp.4758:

Hammer warriors

….

Not sure if srs

Royce.6835:

er… don’t be such a carebear. competitive pvpers and esport teams get “fun” out of competition… they don’t find it “fun” just to pvp for no reason, except for maybe like 30 mins.

it’s fun when your time means something… and don’t just say “stop playing the game then”

we like the game and see it’s potential, thats why we keep criticizing it. if we really disliked it, we would be gone in a heartbeat.

That mentality, and the people that hold it are so very sad.

Jiiub.7135:

also the 2 best classes for WvW is Warrior and Guardian. BOTH NOT USING aoe as main attacks..

lol…

Did every ele/thief/mesmer/necro quit playing the game at the same time?

wasted.6817:

@Scoobaniec.9561
1. What kind of defense tools? There’re defensive traits which trigger BS&EP, gives you regen based on your adr.lvl., allows you to break immob, makes your shouts heal you. And there’s a shield stance and block on mh mace. Elaborate pls, what else do you need.

Trait for BS is worthless. If you ran a warrior you’d know this. It does NOT stun-break like BS is supposed to and so it’s a complete waste of space. EP only lasts 3 seconds, STILL, instead of 5. Ranger/ele and BASELINE SHATTER 4 from mesmers are all better. Traiting it is 30 pts def tree. Regen-adren means you stick with GS and never use a burst skill, it also scales absolutely terribad and heals for crap. Waste of points in almost every situation. If you played a warrior you’d know this. Mobile strikes is awesome yes, warriors need bullscharge to be a baseline ability though (f2 is available) just as every MMO figures out eventually, warriors MUST have a baseline gap closer.

Shout heals are crap, the shouts themselves are lackluster:
FGJ is a buff you use on CD, no tactical usage available. SiO cures 1 condi, breaks stun, that’s it. Cleansing fire for instance cures 3, damages enemies (also grants vigor when traited). You have to sacrifice everything to actually get a decent heal off of a shout, waste of attribute points. The math proves this. Requires 30pts in a poopy tree where healing power isn’t even located.

Shield stance is good, reflection should be baseline, CD is pretty high. Mace block is meh at best.

wasted.6817:

2. SoS, Mending, Soldier’s runes+shouts. I feel lazy to go into math now and compare, for example, D/D, S/D ele with War in that matter, probably Ele superior here, but no, i wouldn’t call it lacking anything.

And here again you’re looking at warriors running a 0/0/30/30/20 build (not possible btw) running specific runes, 3 shouts + endure pain + balanced stance + Sig of Stamina… not possible.

I have a d/d ele, I rolled him after my warrior because the truth is that a d/d ele 0/10/10/20/30 is far more sustainable in melee and a must better ‘warrior’ than warriors are no matter how much warriors try and spec for durability.

Once you go toe to to in the frontlines of combat vs 5+ people on a d/d ele it’ll put your warrior to shame. On demand healing. On demand mobility. 3 stun breaks that also cleanse, also provide perma vigor, etc. Reliable sustained damage (a lot of it PBAoE), built in utility (CC, debuffs, buffs). It has everything.

kostbabis.8791:

yep everyone in this thread compares how fragile is their glass canon specs with how tanky the 30 water arcane eles are..while they should be complaining about how inefective their defencive builds are atm.

Actually this is what I complain about all the time. There’s a reason that every warrior eventually settles back to the kitten greatsword and herrderr blades spec. Personally I want to be tanky like an ele. I’d LIKE to run hammer and say sword/shield or warhorn. I’d LIKE to run with shout healing perhaps. Problem is that it sucks. The heals scale badly. The condi removal is still crap unless you dump every utility to clear a condi spike.

The shouts themselves are lackluster when compared to say the cantrips. Cleansing fire damages enemies, stun breaks, and clears 3 conditions (along with vigor when traited). Shake it off clears 1 condition, stun breaks, that’s it. FGJ is a buff, that warriors just run on cooldown without tactical thought.

Banners would be cool too except they’re clunky and stupid. If they were like an engi kit though… Really they just need work.

Self sustainability is so kitten poor on warriors that it gimps the ability to really have a variety of specs. We can play around with stuff, but at the end of the day the only thing warriors have going for them which isn’t kitten by design is the damage and so it’s back to some kind of herrderr blades variation. Mace/gs, sword/gs, axe/gs, hammer/gs even lb/gs. Whatever we can synergize with setting up that HB.

And it’s lame.

Brutalistik.6473:

Braxxus.2904:

Brutalistik.6473:

Well just be prepared for February because we was told from other threads and got hints from the game of state video that this is the month for lots of changes for professions. I know warriors going to get some ups here and there.

Is there a link floating around btw for the last state of game video? I was working during the live stream so I never did get a chance to see it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hByqoWsnz-I

this one?

Oh, that’s the old one. I saw that one, where they all laughed at the warrior class.

Schwahrheit.4203:

More like “I can’t play a class that takes skill because I play double D/D Ele or double Mesmer with my team.” Anything else to say? Because that’s really how it looks like, no offense.

Ele’s take far more player skill to utilize than any warrior spec. Warriors aren’t complicated to play, they’re just poorly designed. It’s sad that you’re still so bad at video games you think a basic A-B class design like warriors are more complex than playing a d/d ele.
You’ve also been kittening about eles for a long time now. Really bugs you getting rolled by a higher skill ceiling class doesn’t it? Because that’s really what it looks like.
No offense.
/eyeroll

faeral.7120:

no team-oriented game is ever balanced for 1v1

Which is why the non-fps ones suck.
“Hurrr, l2roll the right class noob!”
Yay, let’s play who can get carried! Who can social network better! Such a fail balancing method.

Brutalistik.6473:

Well just be prepared for February because we was told from other threads and got hints from the game of state video that this is the month for lots of changes for professions. I know warriors going to get some ups here and there.

Is there a link floating around btw for the last state of game video? I was working during the live stream so I never did get a chance to see it.

MiLkZz.4789:

Warriors in WvW are AWESOME.

When surrounded by a buttload of babysitters. Or ganking someone as a GC.
For melee fighters in a premade group I’d much rather trade every warrior for a guardian, d/d ele, or even melee ranger any day.

Heck, warriors can’t bunker worth a kitten if they want to, and sacrifice so much of everything in order to even try. Easiest way to beat a warrior is to use your cripple/chill on him as it comes off CD. Look at the TPvP streams or solo vids of warriors in wvw and what goes on throughout it all is either:
Warrior ganks someone like a punk
Warrior tries to run for his life from actual battle because he’ll get gangkittened

Very warrior like.

INB4 Schwar comes in and talks about warriors from a standpoint of being babysat and carried as if that’s acceptable.

Indeed. I too would like to farm hotjoins to make gold so I can watch movies on my monitor while I do it instead of paying attention.

Dhampyr.2104:

Not trying to create drama, but you do realize that you get a buff when you’re outmanned on a map, right? I mean, we have more overall numbers, true enough, but assuming that we constantly queue every map at all times is just a little bit goofy.

Yes, we have had the unmanned buff at times – more than once on YBBL. I know it’s a crazy concept, but it does happen.

Please note that nothing in my post refers to skill, or lack thereof, by anyone.

Please note that it might not have come across but I’m merely posting cheeky comments. It’s all in good fun.
I only comment on the zerg because it’s something to comment on, nothing more, nothing less. Every game with open world pvp has them, it’s a fact of gaming and I accept it. It’s just fun to tease about. Besides that I know full well that as a solo or duo roamer that I’m going to run into much larger numbers often, and I’m ok with that. My buddy and I laugh at it in voip in scenarios like I mentioned where we were trying to ninja down a wall at veloka from the backside and the WM horde came through and smeared us into paste. We know it’s going to happen and we giggle while trying to just cause a bit of chaos in the few moments we’re still breathing.

TLDR: It’s all in good fun bro, don’t take it seriously. I have fun, hopefully you’re having fun too.

(except when I’m griping about the lack of self sustainability issues on my warrior, that part actually annoys me… even though I stubbornly keep playing him day in and day out. XD)

Every time I see a ‘group’ video for WvW it’s 10 minutes of mashing ‘1’ with the occasional heal and leap move thrown in while mesmers/eles aoe.

Need more small group and lone man vids out there that showcase skill.

Ninya.3942:

when we had out manned buffs

I lol’d.
;)

rchow.6027:

I still enjoyed the fights. However short they were.

True that. Even at it’s most imbalanced wuvwuv is still the best part of the game by far.

Master of Timespace.2548:

I think the real reason why thief seems op is this: thiefs roam and seek duels. They are very experienced in fighting 1v1, 2v1 or even 3v1. Is it really a suprise an experienced roamer thief beats a couple of zerger-badge-farmers?

No, sorry. The whole defense that you guys have on the silly powerful classes of “Oh, see, we’re just all more skilled than people on other classes, that’s why. It’s not the class balance at all man. Like, we’re just soooooo amazing and everyone on other classes is terrible. For cereal bro.” Yeah, it’s a bullkitten argument full of absurdity.

I mean I could really care less how the balance hammer swings tbh, that’s just how these games are, but silly defenses are silly.

lol, ewww, DarkFail.
Sorry, the videos were pretty cool for sure, but DarkFail? Ew.

lol, WM guys nicely done taking the map back as the population dropped off to nothing. Thy zergs are zergtastically impressive.

LHound.8964:

If someone gets to the Mesmer (the real one)… 1 2 3 and it’s dead!

So mesmers don’t have dodge? Oh, you don’t have staff 2? Oh you don’t have blurred frenzy? Blink? Shatter 4 invuln (distortion)? Shatter 3 interrupt/daze (diversion)? Oh, you don’t run with Decoy?

Sorry man, I have a mesmer I use for trolling spvp in ezmode lazy status. Saying that all people have to do is get to the mesmer is simply saying you refuse to use any of the MANY built in defense mechanisms the class has, which most other classes could only dream of. Mesmers have the same imbalance as thieves in that regard. Too many ez mode buttons to survive doing dumb things.

Slamz.5376:

I also don’t get why Daggerstorm is one of the most effective elites in the game with one of the shortest cooldowns (and why must it also reflect all projectiles AND give stability??)

Because it’s thief wars 2 man.

Drysdale.3826:

No sugar coating it, I’m looking for a mass dps aoe class. I want to stand in the back of the fight, drop aoes on the main battle. Which class would be best? Thanks for the help!

Necro, staff ele, grenadier engi.