Guild Wars 2

Zilm.8459:

katniss.6735:

If Yak’s Bendover wants to set themselves apart from the superior-numbers-to-win category, they need to step up to challenges, rather than complain about some guy talking down to them.

Seriously. Find a guild that is good enough to roam, with co-ordination, and you’ll get more respect. I still have yet to see one.

I’ve seen single players here and there. Like warriors with never-ending buffs lately. What’s up with those guys? Buffed? Those are some good fights.

Server population has a great deal to do with rankings. Not sure how long you have played GW2 Wv3 not to understand this basic concept.

We happen to play Wv3 to win the match. Our primary goal does not involve having the best gank group so we may boast about it or demean other servers players.

The Yak server membership does not require your “respect”. We play as a server wide team with the goal of winning. We place our servers goals before personal egos, a simple concept I doubt you can understand.

At least you admit you need numbers to beat us.
This was something CD was never able to do!

katniss.6735:

If Yak’s Bendover wants to set themselves apart from the superior-numbers-to-win category, they need to step up to challenges, rather than complain about some guy talking down to them.

Seriously. Find a guild that is good enough to roam, with co-ordination, and you’ll get more respect. I still have yet to see one.

This ^^

Get yourself a group and whisper me in game if you want a challenge.

Jinks.2057:

The offer that I made Bunzy applies to the rest of the people who are having trouble w/ thieves.

PM me or post here what your problems are….I will help you out and make you see only tears from thieves.

Who said I am having trouble with thieves? o.o
Its one thief who can do this, if you can do this I could use your help.

dreztina.4820:

Bunzy.8674:

Ehrmy Bay and Maguuma are on a whole other skill level when it comes to fighting, while you might not agree with me its the true of the matter. There is a reason no yaks got an invite to fight night because we haven’t found any guilds we thought would be challenging for us.

AoN and OG – Maguuma
FTF – Ehmry Bay
(Fill in this blank spot) – Yaks Bend

I would honestly like to know the best gank squad on YB so I can use them in my next video.

What/When is this fight night thing? I’m in AoN but haven’t been playing much lately.

It was about 2-3 days ago! I was wondering where you were :P

Ehrmy Bay and Maguuma are on a whole other skill level when it comes to fighting, while you might not agree with me its the true of the matter. There is a reason no yaks got an invite to fight night because we haven’t found any guilds we thought would be challenging for us.

AoN and OG – Maguuma
FTF – Ehmry Bay
(Fill in this blank spot) – Yaks Bend

I would honestly like to know the best gank squad on YB so I can use them in my next video.

DKz Lux.4125:

Bunzy.8674:

If BP keep up this kind of domination they will be with Maguuma in a week, then we can show them why are are the gatekeepers of tier 4

I’d love to fight Maguuma, you guys seem to be a fun server, but I hope we don’t move up so fast. I was actually kinda hoping you’d kick EB down so we could face them first. We do have a bone to pick with them.

I think if things keep going the way they are you will end up replacing Ehrmy Bay or Maguuma so you might get your revenge after all.

Dr Acula.3496:

Let’s be real here. Hearing a D/D ele complain about anything is quite laughable….

Happy don’t make me duel you

If BP keep up this kind of domination they will be with Maguuma in a week, then we can show them why are are the gatekeepers of tier 4

The official response will probably say something like: Learn to play working as intended.

I am honestly surprised they didn’t do anything to heartseeker damage, one of the most damaging and spammable skills in the game that also works as a gap closer. They also didn’t do anything about the fact thieves can stealth for 90% of the time they are fighting you, I am pretty certain they never intended this.

skupuz.6940:

“Thief

Thieves are the masters of mobility, stealth and high single target damage. They can be very fragile if you counter their stealth with area of effects or large stacks of conditions, but they trade this fragility in order to have some of the highest burst damage in the game. They are able to help allies through traps, venoms and the mobility to flank most encounters."

The answer is AoE and conditions (not just 1 or 2 but large stacks of it). There you go guys, now stop QQing and start AoEing! Remember to put as much conditions as you can on the thief. It’s not like they can remove bleeding, burning, and poison by just stealthing or remove conditions while in stealth. Oh wait…wtf…. /facepalm

Apparently the new plan is to keep buffing thieves every patch. I mean they obviously don’t listen to the community and just do their own thing anyways.

Slic.2406:

A good d/d ele can and will beat any thief build 1v1. No exceptions. It’s a tough matchup for thieves, just like bunker engies, condition necros, etc.

I found P/D becomes a draw, they can’t kill you and you can’t kill them.

Payneful.7934:

In spvp, a good d/d dps ele will almost always beat a d/d burst thief if they see the thief coming. If the thief catches the ele by surprise, the thief will probably win.

If the thief is running 30/30/0/0/10 with scholar runes, assassin’s signet, and basilisk venom with 100% crit out of stealth trait the thief will most likely insta-gib the ele.

This is exactly how I feel in WvW as well.

The thing I find funny with this thread as that people are blaming him for playing a thief and doing insane amounts of damage but never even considered to look at who is making this all possible. You should really be going after ArenaNet if you have a problem with the Thief and how it plays. Secondly just because you find the Thief boring doesn’t mean everyone does, he might enjoy how the thief plays and the damage it can do. If the video is boring don’t watch it however don’t try discourage others from watching it based on your opinion.

Someones excited to be out of the bottom tier lol

Reij.9360:

It’s funny how you’re talking about shadowla like you all know him.

I LAUGH.

Does talking to him everyday count as knowing him? If so then I know him.

Rhyis.7058:

Because a mess of people are going to head to the commander icon, making it not a duel… This isn’t rocket science.

Ahh thats probably why people say he leads them into death traps because they just randomly run at the commander icon…

Pro Tip: Don’t just run at a commander icon.

Rhyis.7058:

Bunzy.8674:

Shadowla is not a spy or anything like you mentioned he is infact a dueler. He loves to do 1v1s and has set up some great dueling spots over the past few weeks. The reasons he was on Mag and then Ebay was so he had the chance to duel different people because he doesn’t duel in sPvP. I would doubt he let you into death traps unless you followed him to the dueling area and you attacked him with more then 1 person then the rule is the rest of us jump in. It has happened many times when yaks bend try to crash the dueling spot and they end up getting jumped by all the duelers.

A dude with the intention of dueling doesn’t run around with a commander icon 24/7.

He actually does.. he did the same on Maguuma as well, he is proud to be a commander and just because he is dueling why should he have to take it off :L

Shadowla is not a spy or anything like you mentioned he is infact a dueler. He loves to do 1v1s and has set up some great dueling spots over the past few weeks. The reasons he was on Mag and then Ebay was so he had the chance to duel different people because he doesn’t duel in sPvP. I would doubt he let you into death traps unless you followed him to the dueling area and you attacked him with more then 1 person then the rule is the rest of us jump in. It has happened many times when yaks bend try to crash the dueling spot and they end up getting jumped by all the duelers.

style.6173:

I don’t really have an issue with stealth as a warrior. Thieves are squishy and the easiest class to kill. I can’t remember the last time one killed me other than maybe if I was on auto run looking at the map.

Mesmers don’t have stealth enough for it to really matter.

I think that as the skill level of players increase, they will find that the stealth classes are not that strong.

If you fought a P/D condition thief you will notice they are in stealth basically every 3-5 seconds. You would have no chance trying to kill something you can’t see.

jagabs.5086:

Honestly, a thief has way too much stealth ability and nobody can deny the fact that they are the most annoying class to fight. I’m not against their stealth but I would like to see the condition damages affects while they go stealth and escape. For example:

Bleeding – traces of blood on the ground
Poison – green mist/traces of green slime on the ground
Chill – blue mist/traces of ice on the ground
Etc.

Alot of thieves run condition removal on stealth

Every MMO that has ever implemented stealth has found these classes become overpowered… yet more MMO companies ended up using the same mechanic over and over again, I don’t understand the logic.

If you are a future game designer please never implement such a poor mechanic into any game were you want serious pvp.

stof.9341:

Bunzy.8674:

If you want I can take a screenshot of my (Power/Tough/Vit) armor? There is a thief build that can one shot pretty much anything. I know what it is and how to do it however I am trying not to get it too mainstream or else people will be dropping like flies.

You just said on that other thread you only got 2500 in the Armor stat. You aren’t using Power/Tough/Vit armor or you forgot the fact half your gear stats come from your trinkets too.

I am using power/tough/vit armor actually..

Tiglie.5834:

We just transfered in and run generally 5 tops, we’ll find you and beat you soon enough Bunny. Prob going to have to wait until after the culling fix on Friday, as we’ve just been rag-tagging…..as you probably know….this culling “fix” hurts small groups way more than rolling zergs, therefor we’re all a little frustrated with the current state of bombing 10, dying, loading 40.

Glad to see other small mans, been nothing but zergs so far.

I am assuming you are on Ehmry Bay?

TheFug.5278:

You know, it’s funny.

Last week, here on CD while stomping Maguuma we would always make sure to note that their server seems to have a shocking over abundance of thieves, mesmers and d/d ele’s.

Everyfight you would see their “amazing” thieves and d/d ele’s zipping around and quickly getting stomped by our warriors and guardians.

Maybe your poor perception on value in WvW is the reason we stomped you guys into the dirt for 3 weeks straight?

It’s because Maguuma and Ehmry Bay are all about fighting each other and don’t really care about the score.

Kirrund.2654:

People need to learn Bunzy is just a troll. Every day he makes a new thread that’s completely off base trying to rile people up, but it has just enough to it that he doesn’t get reported.

I actually take offense that you called me a troll, They are legitimate concerns within the game I am discussing. I like to let people know the state of the game and what is happening with the current meta.

Plaxy.4617:

Bunzy.8674:

Subtle.4596:

Well good to know – When i see your guild tag in /map chat – I will make sure to send overwhelming odds to where you are – Since now I know you like a challenge, I am sure you appreciate that. You have 5, I will send 15 – thanks for letting me know its not all that hard to counter.

I will also do you the favor pass it along to the other map CIC.

- Cmdr Subtle, Yaks Bend – EB Commander.

Ok thanks, but you might have to send more then 15

Trust me you don’t want Subtle sending 15 at you thats 15 fully geared level 80s with the chance of a 10 or more pugs following. I know I run with these groups and they Annihalate everything in there path GL though…. you sound really awesome.

I can deal with the 15 fully geared level 80s.. its the 10 or more pugs following I am concerned with..

Brendar.3548:

Bunzy.8674:

I hope you are not saying the higher tiers means the better players, because everyone knows T4 has the best players on it.

That’s a joke right? If T4 had the “best” players, shouldn’t it be T1? As I recall, when you were up against FA, you got the snot beaten out of you. As an earlier person mentioned, you guys are all about soloing, and the 1v1s, which will lose every time verses even a small group of 3 people. Your mindset is all about the 1v1, that’s not WvW, that’s sPvP. If you want to 1v1 someone, go there. Until then, accept that every class has uses, and all are used. Not just the three that Maguuma uses.

Tiers just means whoever has the biggest playerbase.
We are about 5 v 20s actually not 1v1s >.<

Subtle.4596:

Well good to know – When i see your guild tag in /map chat – I will make sure to send overwhelming odds to where you are – Since now I know you like a challenge, I am sure you appreciate that. You have 5, I will send 15 – thanks for letting me know its not all that hard to counter.

I will also do you the favor pass it along to the other map CIC.

- Cmdr Subtle, Yaks Bend – EB Commander.

Ok thanks, but you might have to send more then 15

Krathalos.3461:

rchu.8945:

same can be said of D/D thief players

Except shutting down a thief is a ton easier. They carry around, at most, one break stun, have 2k armor, and rely on stealth as an escape. If you can survive or dodge their burst, they’re very easy to shut down and kill. D/D Eles, on the other hand, have AoE Damage, a ton of heals and condition removal, three break stuns, and more escape abilities than a D/D thief. Killing thieves that try to burst me is one of my favorite things to do. Having to fight a D/D Ele is the most annoying thing in the game. They take like 3 minutes to kill, and they will almost always get away if you can’t kill them fast enough. As for a thief, it’s a lot easier to keep them shut down since they rarely build for raw defense.

The two aren’t comparable. One is a tanky DPS with a ton of heals, condition removals and break stuns. The other is a glass cannon thief with one break stun and an over-reliance on stealth as an escape mechanism. Hit a thief with CC and he either has to run away or die.

Bunzy.8674:

This is how you kill a D/D ele. You run pure glass cannon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0Zw8vNJVvg

There’s no way a D/D Ele built properly (Power/Tough/Vit) is going to get hit anywhere near 12k by Backstab.

If you want I can take a screenshot of my (Power/Tough/Vit) armor? There is a thief build that can one shot pretty much anything. I know what it is and how to do it however I am trying not to get it too mainstream or else people will be dropping like flies.

SuiRyuJin.4615:

wait… if killing is all u care about why arent u spvp? u can win just by completely dominating the enemy team through killing.

ur in the wrong place for what u want to do, all u want is kill, go to spvp, ull have a much higher chance of an even and more skilled combat with people built for small squad and duels instead of people built for zerg. unless u just want to hunt down lesser skilled players and/or player built sololy for seige/zergs and then brag about it, in which case…ur embarrassing mag, plz stop.

I will tell you why I don’t do sPvP because of conquest. I have no interest in standing around on a point for the whole match duration in order to win. I am about killing people, if they had deathmatch or any type of arena believe me I would be in there.

This is how you kill a D/D ele. You run pure glass cannon.

Aratoa.7398:

Bunzy.8674:

So the other day I was saying how there is a thief build that can kill me in 0.5-1 second and people said I was lying. Well I decided to get proof on this build and found someone who was willing to help, It takes 1 second to chunk me from full health to 0.

Enjoy the power of the burst.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0Zw8vNJVvg

For those interested in my stats:
1653 – Toughness
2572 – Armor

Under the perfect conditions a glass cannon thief can burst someone down very quickly, it’s true for most classes when they go glass cannon. But it does take the perfect conditions to down even a squishy as an elementalist as fast as you say. Your video even displays this a bit, as I can see that previous to the three hits that downed you, that you had a a rather large number of attempts by the thief to kill you as fast as you want to display.

If you want I could get this done 3 times in a row and you would see each of the time it’s a similar result. The previous hits you are talking about is when I was testing to see how much damage heartseeker could do from 100 to 0. Everytime the burst combo was used on me I died in 1-1.5 seconds.

You could get an escort to take you around, someone who is experienced and knows how to handle multiple people at once.

People are going to attack you no matter what you are wearing.

You already have more coverage then both the servers you are versing at the moment and you need more.. interesting.

Cain.9724:

quercus.9261:

I know what Caen is saying. I see these gank groups (DD eles, frenzy/signet GS warriors, P/D and BS thieves with 25 stacks of bloodlust) running around ganking newbs and not accomplishing much. God forbid you guys ever drop a ram or anything.

Yeah you figured out the OP meta builds… good for you?

The best part is, they put out a “WvW ownage” video, and it shows absolutely nothing about WvW.. nothing they did produced a single point for their server (oh wait maybe a sentry point was flipped, thats worth 1 point, my mistake).. its pretty hilarious actually.

Unlike alot of the people who play WvW I do not enjoy being on the winning server, I play WvW to kill people that is all. I don’t care about objectives or score as long as there is people to kill I am happy.

Brendar.3548:

Bunzy.8674:

I think PINK from TC should come to either maguuma or ehmry bay and see how long there 4-5 necros last.

Check the WvW tiers. TC is in T3, they know their stuff, I’m from FA, and I have seen their necros take down our zergs, towers, etc. Every class is useful, it’s just all about the person playing the toon.

I hope you are not saying the higher tiers means the better players, because everyone knows T4 has the best players on it.

Cain.9724:

Bunzy.8674:

Cain.9724:

Bunzy.8674:

So you admit you need numbers to beat us? That’s all I needed thanks. I will remember this for future engagements.

Also we have yet to find a challenging guild that gives us a run for our money I guess the closest have been FTF (ebay), but is there anyone else?

No, we need more numbers to catch you because you run spvp specs in WvW and your guild is constantly running away to reset a fight when you lose.. like i said.. your always-stealthing-always-ride-the-lightning-away is way too amazing for us to handle alone. You guys can barely take a supply camp but yet you’re making videos about wvw ownage.. it’s just silly.

Are you challenging us to a 5v5? I will record it.

What would be the point? You still can barely take a supply camp.. meanwhile we are off getting props from the yak’s bend commander for our efforts on their map last night.. just focus on what your good at, running around our spawn area trying to find people to fight you, so you can show them how amazing you are.

It’s actually harder to find people to fight then you think, considering as soon as they see the guild tag they run away, but i guess nothing we can do about that.

Cain.9724:

Bunzy.8674:

So you admit you need numbers to beat us? That’s all I needed thanks. I will remember this for future engagements.

Also we have yet to find a challenging guild that gives us a run for our money I guess the closest have been FTF (ebay), but is there anyone else?

No, we need more numbers to catch you because you run spvp specs in WvW and your guild is constantly running away to reset a fight when you lose.. like i said.. your always-stealthing-always-ride-the-lightning-away is way too amazing for us to handle alone. You guys can barely take a supply camp but yet you’re making videos about wvw ownage.. it’s just silly.

Are you challenging us to a 5v5? I will record it.

They probably killed you because you were in your undies. It shows them you have no faith in your ability to pvp and therefore take your armor off because you already know you are going to lose if you get into a fight.

Cain.9724:

Bunzy.8674:

To the ShadowMoon Guild,
If you lose a 2v5 and are angry you shouldn’t go grab 10 more people and then camp the spawn because you got embarrassed. You are never going to improve that way if you have to grab x8 the numbers of your opponents everytime you get beaten.

From Original Gankstars [OG]

To the OG Guild,
You are mistakenly queuing up for WvW, when you meant to click on sPvP.. I know it can get confusing, there’s a lot of buttons to press. Unless, you’re doing it intentionally, so that you can kill up-levels and people who aren’t spec’ed for sPvP.. in which case i apologize, you guys are amazing.

So you admit you need numbers to beat us? That’s all I needed thanks. I will remember this for future engagements.

Also we have yet to find a challenging guild that gives us a run for our money I guess the closest have been FTF (ebay), but is there anyone else?

So the other day I was saying how there is a thief build that can kill me in 0.5-1 second and people said I was lying. Well I decided to get proof on this build and found someone who was willing to help, It takes 1 second to chunk me from full health to 0.

Enjoy the power of the burst.

For those interested in my stats:
1653 – Toughness
2572 – Armor

fancy dagger feast.7520:

First of all your an Ele so your toughness is not as effective as your armor is only light. Secondly the Theif could be using full glass cannon gear and relying on the culling issue to get him kills. Theifs can get crazy stacks of might with full utility of venoms or even signets. I would suggest carrying Mist form and not being afraid to use it.

In my experiance D/D eles like to have reckless abandant when only a couple can actually pull it off to a tee. If you get 1 banged so be it at the end of the day realise thats what theifs do, make a theif and mess around with them they have very high spike but little to none skills which heal besides their main heal skill

Are you seriously trying to justify being bursted down in one second even though all my gear has some sort of toughness stat on it?

You literally have 1 second to press Mist Form if not you are dead. Is this the type of balance we are going for?

So the other day I was saying how there is a thief build that can kill me in 0.5-1 second and people said I was lying. Well I decided to get proof on this build and found someone who was willing to help, It takes 1 second to chunk me from full health to 0.

Enjoy the power of the burst.

For those interested in my stats:
1653 – Toughness
2572 – Armor

Sihkster.7948:

this just shows me how OP D/D eles are

Says the thief. that’s funny

Khanswrath.1032:

Bunzy (in a nutshell)

Hates Thieves
Hates downed state
Will post about the same subject just to see the same responses because he loves the attention

I already know what any thread you start on these forums is going to have in it before I open it. I fail to see how posts like this one help the community address issues. If you have a concern over class representation in WvW ask for numbers. Making a statement doesn’t make it true no matter how much you want it to be. I for one have not seen any more increase in those particular classes in WvW.

I post about the same issues because until it gets fixed it is hindering gameplay. Anet need to realise the issues so they can fix them, I am helping the community.

DivineBeing.2086:

Haha! That’s funny OP xD.

Seriously though, roll with PINK from TC for a while and you will see how necros can turn the tides of war alone

Let’s just say a group of 4 to 5 necros can wipe a 30 man zerg within seconds.

Mesmer is the anti-elementalist class, if they can play their class right. Here is a hint, it hurts to cause damage to ourselves.

I think PINK from TC should come to either maguuma or ehmry bay and see how long there 4-5 necros last.

MistyMountains.3751:

…are u trying to talk about Spvp…because thats completely off for wvw lol…Staff ele/Rangers/Necros play much bigger parts then anything u mentioned, as well as guardians…Only thing mesmer is good for in wvw are portals

Apart from the fact as soon as them classes run into anyone they will die.. you probably should of mentioned that.

Thieves
Mesmers
D/D Elementalists

if you aren’t any of these classes you are going to have a very hard time in WvW.
Id say in about 2-3 months time, these are the only classes you will see in WvW due to them being far superior over everything else. I have already started noticing an increase in 3 classes over everything else.

Boreal.9826:

As a Yak’s player, I’m finding this week’s WvW very refreshing. All three servers seem well matched in terms of population, coverage and overall tactical play. Speaking for myself, I’m not really missing the massive zergs of T3.

The random 1v1’s have been much fun, too. Hats off to the great Ebay and Mag players I keep running into.

-Sakae, 80 Ranger of Yak’s Bend

In terms of coverage during oceanic times which I play alot of, yaks bend has a major advantage which is why they are ahead in points.

To the ShadowMoon Guild,
If you lose a 2v5 and are angry you shouldn’t go grab 10 more people and then camp the spawn because you got embarrassed. You are never going to improve that way if you have to grab x8 the numbers of your opponents everytime you get beaten.

From Original Gankstars [OG]