Guild Wars 2

Bas.7406:

Signet improvements – Buffing the passive is not the answer. The signets are the issue, this general buff while it continues to improve the value of Signet of Undeath, the rest of them are still not worth taking.

Corrupt Boon and Epidemic Unblockable – Already knew about this. They need to fix the issue where the LoS is foot to foot which means if there is a slight change is a major issue.

Minion Health – As for the notes, the fact that they specified their intention to give Flesh Wurm and Flesh Golem improved health scares me a bit. They are the two no one worries about in terms of health. Wurm does not need more health since we mainly use him as a stun breaker in pvp and out of range bomber in pve. It’s the other minions that need more help. Continuing improvement to AI changes is nice

Full DS – 5th Slot If it’s not weapon dependent it is still going to make death shroud kind of an odd duck.

Sad that they completely misunderstood Symbolic’s question about Staff. When a trait is mandatory for one form of play than it’s a trait that needs to be looked at.

Several things that bothered me – No mention of extended cast times on 90 percent of our abilities, no mention of aoe damage completely trainwrecking minions (Symbolic way to let me down man :P), no mention of the complete useless Spectral skills, no mention of the fact that Blood Magic is similar to Zeal in the Guardian line where it’s almost worthless to take it. We also missed a great opportunity for them to explain why our Death Shroud abilities are counter to each other.

TLDR: They buffed the Minions we didn’t need buffed, Death Shroud is getting a new skill, but we have no idea what it is or how to make it, CB and Epi are now fixed, Signet improvements aren’t an improvement if the cast time/cooldown/and actives are still bad, Avoided talking about any of our major issues such as mobility/aoe death of minions/Death Shroud information/Spectral uselessness/Blood Magic worthless.

I agree with you Bas on all points here. Specially the signets. Necro only have 20 utility skills. 3 signets being useless means 3/20 of the skills are useless. That’s 15%. So not only are they dead weight, they limit the build choices of the necro.

At the point, I won’t mind them TOTALLY REMOVE all signets and replace this line of skills with something else. Give us blinding rituals to summon spirits, for example.

Devs, know that Bas has been one of the most diehard necro supporters. Listen to him.

3) A warrior trait will be changed (can’t recall the specific name) to increase damage by 3% for each boon their target has on them.

Oh this can only end well:

“Necro noob stop removing the boons on that mob!!!!!!!!” >_<

Devs, how about:

Make minion armor scale with necro’s armor.
Make minion health scale with the necro’s health.

New condition will be a “dark themed DoT” condition. It basically replace our lack of access to burning. So don’t keep your hopes too high.

Sorry but why not just give us burning and save us the trouble? Just call that 5th DS skill “Frost Burn” or something.

Devs also asked for a suggestion on that 5th condition. Ok here is the condition Haunting:

“Target suffers from Haunting for 3 seconds. Each time target gets hit he is teleported to the attacker’s current location. This condition automatically disables any immunity the target has. That means an elementalists in mist form will still take damage if they have Haunting on.”

That is what we need. Now necros are hard to get away from. Its basically a 3 second Spectral Grasp.

Or the condition Cover

“For 5 seconds this condition does nothing. If removed prematurely it is renewed for 2 seconds, and target suffers from 100% of you condition damage and also suffers from 25 stacks of bleeding for 5 seconds.”

Brings back the idea of “cover hex” from Guild Wars 1.

wish.1027:

Arkanfel.8403:

A lot of us would prefer to stay in the top two tiers, because we put a lot of time/effort into WvW and it would be nice to go to bed knowing that your territory will at least be fought for. I know everything will flip in most matches at some point, but spending entire afternoons to flip home BL only to lose everything an hour after I/we logged eventually wore thin.

So according to this post we can expect you to leave BG in 3-4 weeks? Because all JQ does is flip everything in their BL and whoever is blue every morning when FOO and Co are on the maps, and youre going to be dealing with that same old routine logging on at NA time and needing to take your stuff back.

And seriously, you cant complain about a lack of competition when your server is coming in third. It’s apparent to everyone that you didn’t like all the competition and you can’t deal with losing, so you all bandwagoned somewhere else. Why not just admit it? You moved to KN cause you thought youd get to T1 and thats where you wanted to play, when they couldnt hack it you left for a T1 server. Quit with the excuses.

How come the worst haters aren’t even from Kaineng?

They should reduce minion skill recharges rather than increase hp.

Mayoken.9851:

….and CO is officially done doing WvW on Kaineng. Best of luck to Kaineng, Maguuma, and Yaks Bend this week. Take care.

Take care mate. Best of luck in DB. ^^

I am a necro and I approve the nerf. [/troll]

FA oh FA you better work harder. Else you will be Kaineng’s flipping partner of that last spot of tier 2. :P

Forget this post.

Elementalist Owner.7802:

Lol so you join Kaineng when they start destroying..

..and you leave when they lose once?

Whoa, you define fair-weather. Somebody only cares about winning..

All of us in Kaineng had learn a lot from guilds like WM, CO and Rise. We all became better players. While we lack the numbers, our player base is definitely tier 2 quality. The benefits from these guilds is incalculable. We in Kaineng are grateful to have these guilds fighting alongside us. ^^

9pm EST is kind of late for people on the east coast. It should have stayed at 6pm EST.

Once fortified and sieged up, Hills is by far the hardest keep to take in the whole game. It puts SMC and Garrison to shame. They got places for counter siege against everything. Rams, catapults, trebs, nothing really works if the defenders know what they are doing.

The lord’s room of Hills, when sieged up, is also the hardest lord’s room to take in the game. There is only one small chock point. Against an experienced defender that Lord’s room is a slaughter house.

The only way to breakthrough is with 10 siege golems. After that you need to build offensive sieges to slowly kill the sieges inside lords’ room. Then finally you might win.

I have been on both sides of Hills. I found hills is by far the hardest keep to take. Anyone who had fought against a fully fortified Hills with 70 defenders know what I mean.

Do you think Hills needs a nerf?

I want to dedicate this song to Prince Jarvan and the rest of RISE. May you rise to new heights just like the Spitfires.

Liquid.9672:

wish.1027:

dieing

What does dieing mean? I am dying to know!

Coinin.2590:

Im scared to click the link CHIPS…i feel like its gonna be a rickroll or something lol

Its just a song.

I dedicate this song to the Unbreakable Warmachine. Thanks for everything you guys did for the server. Good luck wherever you guys end up.

slingblade.1437:

Tallis.5607:

Time for a score update…

The TC lead is more than expected: the 105k lead of TC over KN can mmaybe be explained by the guilds that left/leaving KN, but the 85k lead of TC over FA is a lot.

I’m not surprised by the big lead over FA. Kain is reeling right now and therefor TC can focus even harder on FA, I think.

I’m milita on Kaineng and have been too bummed to play much this week, and when I have it’s felt like a waste to bother spending money on upgrades or placing siege.

This whole thing is a kick in the kittens.

I knew there was a 50% chance or more this would happen to Kain when I left SBI after it capsized due to some of the same guilds abandoning ship from there. Not sure if I’ll stay on Kain (I do feel some loyalty and kinship towards the server) or rejoin the rest of my guild back on SBI, but I dang sure will not be following any of the leaving guilds to some new server. I’ve learned my lesson in that regard.

That being said, I don’t necessarily blame any guild leaders for announcing they’re leaving Kain. It’s really the members, in most cases I think, that drive those decisions. A leader who goes against the will of the majority of his/her guild won’t be a leader for long, or won’t have many members left to lead.

I won’t bother with any upgrades at this point. Save all your money for now. We got to regroup and plan anyways.

Tallis.5607:

Time for a score update…

The TC lead is more than expected: the 105k lead of TC over KN can mmaybe be explained by the guilds that left/leaving KN, but the 85k lead of TC over FA is a lot.

This basically sums up the fact that FA and KN belongs to the same tier. TC doesn’t belong here anymore.

The next wild card is DB. Are they tier 2? Or are they tier 1.5?

SHAKA ZULU.3128:

I am more bummed than I thought I’d be as the week gets closer to ending. Our maps are quiet, people are sad. I loved T8 but I think T2 was equally fantastic. On a grouchy note, I hope no one chooses KN to be their little pet project again. I don’t want to turn into a teal deer so I’ll leave it at that. ;x
Related- my sincerest of thank yous go out to those who transferred to us post T8 and are going to stick with us. <3 You really are the best for that and while moving up was an adventure, this is the time you’ll make the biggest difference to us.

The players of Kaineng became better and stronger thanks to CO and Rise being here. Many people gained valuable experiences from those fights. This hugely positive aspect of effects on Kaineng cannot be ignored.

CO, keep getting those “FT KIDs”.

Rise, keep going “BZ DEEP”.

:D

Rezzet.3614:

i love how Kain was so focused on taking FA they would ignore their whole Bl being taken by TC just to try take one keep wich ended up being taken by TC in the end lol.

It was the right tactic. Think about it.

kiwiburner.2186:

I’m not going to read beyond the last 4 pages of posts, but I will say:

This has happened to Kaineng before, when WAR (my guild), iSPY and NoQQ left. There was a huge amount of pessimism but also solidarity – we basically accepted that we’d have to eat a huge amount of dirt at the bottom of tier 8 before we found the will to win again.

Not that long after the transfers started, led (I think) by CO from SBI.. to be honest I didn’t pay so much attention to the transfer history. I just remember all these new commander tags popping up and the commanders making disparaging remarks to us PUGs in map chat (“This is why you’re still in tier 8, but don’t worry, we’re here to save you”).

These commanders were (rightly as it turns out) treated with suspicion by the long time Kaineng players. Never mind, Kaineng will return.

That is all.

But this kind of drama is a big hinderance for this server. From now on everyone, old or new, native or transfer, must cooperate together if we want to succeed.

Thanks for everything you guys did for Kaineng. You always have to look out for your guild first. Do whatever you got to do to keep this game fun for you guys. ^^

Come onto the new server TS to chat before you guys depart. I think that Thursday Karaoke party is still on yes? If it is still on both you guys from Rise and CO are most welcome to join. Even after you guys moved on you can still come back to sing anytime.

Jayne.9251:

Little do folks realize that Kain is “disbanding” simply because its the only way to escape these toxic match threads. Can’t say I blame them.

(In all seriousness, I’m counting on you guys to have a short vacation, get back up here and continue to set the example of dignity and good sportsmanship again.)

Out of Fort Aspenwood, into Maguuma! >_>

ArtPulse.8630:

Yea, I am from Tarnished Coast, and I don’t want you guys at Kaineng to give up. We have had good matches the last few weeks, I’d like it to stay that way =).

Personally I love Tier 2. It’s got enough competition without getting hardcore serious. If KN needs you, stick with KN! =3

Don’t worry about us. Those that are staying is ready for some T3 action. We need to regroup and strike again.

Have fun with DB and their 5 additional JQ tier 1 guilds. Hope you guys in tier 2 have as much fun with them as you guys did with KN.

SpitFire.4690:

Primordus Virtus [RISE] The underdog guild of T6 to T2 chronicles of Kaineng has come to an end.

On Monday April 22 2013. I, Prince Jarvan Leader of Prmordus Virtus, announced that [RISE] will stay on Kaineng. Unfortunately the promise didnt turn out as good as it was. The guild lost strong core members including core officers due to staying. I thought of it over-night, if the guild stays it will slowly die with frustration or transfer start new and redeem the guild of quality > quantity guild. So i have decided we will farm for gold and have our designated server will be confirm on Monday-tuesday of April 29-30th.

Im deeply grateful to the people of kaineng for none-stop support and full respect of RISE. I apologize for all the promises that I made for the server. RISE gave its full potential in WvW and for the people of kaineng. The memories will live on but it will RISE again.

-Commander Prince Jarvan
94,653 Kills
3,467 WvW hours
For the people that plays with me.

Noooooo! T_T

Good lucks guys. Thanks for everything.

What if I am troll spy commander from another server, and I keep turning off other commander’s tag at the most important moment? :P

They definitely should increase the AoE cap from 5 to perhaps 15. That way stacking is no longer the only tactic.

Brings back body blocking is another great idea. But when a person is stealthed he shouldn’t be allowed to block anyone. He can still be blocked though.

Rewards for the losing servers still needs to be looked at. Right now once a server starts losing all the pugs disappears.

Darknicrofia.2604:

CHIPS.6018:

I can only confirm that RE and Rise said that they are staying, as of yesterday. WM and CO almost surely moving within 2 weeks. No idea about Meow and KOR, but given how close they are with WM it would make sense for them to move with WM.

Local guilds like CNB and KO will almost certainly be staying.

KO came from CD

but regardless, just stop posting Chips, I know you’re bored since u got banned lol, but what you’re doing now isn’t really helping anyone.

Well I just want people to know that the sky aren’t falling yet. There are some guilds that are staying. But yes I should stop posting about this issue.

For those that don’t know, I got banned for 3 days for trash talking 2 well known trolls on Lion’s Arch. Yes I did use some very strong language, so yes that ban is deserved. But that’s ok, those two trolls deserves it. They did a ton of harm to the Kaineng community and someone got to speak up.

In fact, it won’t surprise me one bit if a certain server is paying those two trolls. Think about it. They played a bit and then joined a well known WvW guild. After that they never show up in WvW anymore. And then they start trash talking other WvW guilds. And then they tried to get all the pugs and small guilds to hate these WvW guilds. They are against any immigrated guilds. They are against both big guilds (your commanders suck) and small guilds (you don’t have any members so keep quiet). All the while they falsely claim to want the best for Kaineng and did “so much” to help Kaineng. Why would anyone do that without money?

Calling these two trolls “Enemies of the State” would be an understatement. A server should be allowed to vote ban these traitors, and exile them to a different server.

In the words of a certain NHL player: “Watch yourself. I would take another suspension on you!”

I can only confirm that RE and Rise said that they are staying, as of yesterday. WM and CO almost surely moving within 2 weeks. No idea about Meow and KOR, but given how close they are with WM it would make sense for them to move with WM.

Local guilds like CNB and KO will almost certainly be staying.

mercury ranique.2170:

It is actually very simple. Do not break the rules. It’s not ok to offend others. There are no ’but’s’ or ’tho’s’ to this rule. If you got offended then just report them.

There is an old internet saying ‘Do not feed the troll’. What you did was wrong. You shouldn’t have offended other players.

As for the other players, the reason they might not have been suspended can easily be that nobody actually reported them. If people decide to ignore them, move server cause of them etc then Anet will never know bout it. Bottom line is that you used faul language and you shouldnt have done that, no matter what the cause was.

I really understand your anger, but I have to agree with Anet’s decission here.

Like I said these two trolls had been trash talking all WvW guilds (not just CO) for months. And they managed to get other small guilds to join in the fun. It is a mob of haters against WvW guilds in Lion’s Arch everyday. It is not healthy at all.

That’s why blocking them won’t help. They are poisonous to the whole server. And so someone got to talk against them in Lion’s Arch.

Go guest in Kaineng sometimes. You will see what I mean.

I am an important commander in Kaineng and I done a lot for the community. After I got banned, many people came on teamspeak to ask if I am leaving too. As I said Kaineng’s future hangs by a thread and hangs in the balance. It is not good to have any sort of rumors flying around right now.

God forbids that I actually care.

Lafiel.9372:

CHIPS.6018:

I got banned 3 days for trash talking with the 2 trolls in LA who trash talked CO. I cannot believe it. My biggest question is how did I get banned and those 2 trolls can keep trolling? Sure I might have used some strong language but come on if you read that whole conversation, you would know who was abusing who.

I would admit that I was a bit hot headed against these 2 trolls. You have to understand what is going on in Kaineng server. These 2 trolls was trash talking Mayoken.9851, the guild leader of CO, yesterday in Lion’s Arch. Mayo got so kitten that he decided to move his guild out of Kaineng.

CO is an important part of Kaineng’s WvW efforts. Now many other Kaineng WvW guilds are being contacted by other servers to transfer over, so who knows what would happen. In other words these 2 trolls “single-handedly” destroyed Kaineng as a WvW server. Yes words can be this damaging to a server, even without foul language. We are ruined.

So yes I admit that I was a bit hot headed when I talk to these 2 trolls. And these two trolls had the nerve to trash talk my guild. Look, this is the guild that I had been with since GW1. I cannot stand that. These two guys ruined our server. Now they have the nerve to trash talk my guild and undermine my personal efforts to help the server. What kind of man can just take that abuse in the face and not say anything? If you guys browse though the chat history, throughout yesterday and today, you guys will see what I mean.

You also have to understand that I play WvW like 90% of the time I am online. So I really want Kaineng to do well as a WvW server. If Kaineng ever fails as a WvW server, I don’t know what I would do. I already transferred once from SBI, so I don’t want to move again.

Let me just say that you guys got to put things into context. Just because a person used foul language it doesn’t mean that he was the offender. He might very well be that kitten off victim that happened to use some strong language.

And allow me to suggest that, if you guys want to get rid of all foul languages, why not just have a language filter that auto converts all foul language into “kitten” in game? Why give the players the “option” to use foul language, only to ban them?

I personally don’t feel what I did today was any worst than what I did in GW1. Yes even back in GW1 there were times when I got to defend myself. And I don’t think I was ever banned in GW1. I guess you guys now got more server admins to go around banning people. But come on I didn’t even know you guys tightened the law since GW1.

I went to the support webpage, and apparently I am banned from the support site too. So I got no other way to complain about my ban except for here.

I had been playing GWs since GW1 beta. I would really appreciate it if you guys look into my case. Thanks!

Don’t feed the trolls? IF you knew they were trolls why did you play right into their hands.

Again language filter isn’t there as a license to swear. There is no need for a permanent language filter which converts things to ** or kitten (besides, are you saying you need a language filter to stop you from using foul language and cannot be controlled yourself?). Some people happen to be able to keep their foul language only within the confines of their own group/guild.

Also, isn’t it a bit overreaction to leave a server because of two people? Just block and move on is what most people do..

Final words is, there is always a reason why people hate you but at the same time you can’t please everyone. Ignore the trolls next time.

Depends on what objective Anet have. If the objective is the prevent swearing, then nothing beats an automatic language filter. If the objective is to ban people, then carry on with the current system.

Allowing people the swear, while banning people that swears, have little logic.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

1) How do you know the others didn’t get suspended?
2) They probably baited you, and when you responded, they reported you. People usually do this with alt accounts, so their mains are safe.
3) If the person moved a whole guild from your server from simple verbal fighting, you should really take another look at their value.
4) I doubt two people are able to take down a whole server.

1) Someone told me on teamspeak that they were still trolling in game after I got banned. Of course I cannot personally confirm it since I got banned.

2) All the more reason why we have to look at the context of things, not just based on foul language. And yes please add that auto language filter so you can’t even use foul language in the first place. No bans are even required.

3) Those two trolls had been trolling CO for months, from what I have been told. They had hated CO right from the beginning, and had tried to get the whole server against them. Many others joined in. And CO leaving is the final conclusion.

4) You will be surprised. WM and CO are both leaving. Many other Kaineng WvW guilds are being contacted daily by other servers, and are being offered large sums of money to transfer. Kaineng’s future hangs in the balance.

I got banned 3 days for trash talking with the 2 trolls in LA who trash talked CO. I cannot believe it. My biggest question is how did I get banned and those 2 trolls can keep trolling? Sure I might have used some strong language but come on if you read that whole conversation, you would know who was abusing who.

I would admit that I was a bit hot headed against these 2 trolls. You have to understand what is going on in Kaineng server. These 2 trolls was trash talking Mayoken.9851, the guild leader of CO, yesterday in Lion’s Arch. Mayo got so kitten that he decided to move his guild out of Kaineng.

CO is an important part of Kaineng’s WvW efforts. Now many other Kaineng WvW guilds are being contacted by other servers to transfer over, so who knows what would happen. In other words these 2 trolls “single-handedly” destroyed Kaineng as a WvW server. Yes words can be this damaging to a server, even without foul language. We are ruined.

So yes I admit that I was a bit hot headed when I talk to these 2 trolls. And these two trolls had the nerve to trash talk my guild. Look, this is the guild that I had been with since GW1. I cannot stand that. These two guys ruined our server. Now they have the nerve to trash talk my guild and undermine my personal efforts to help the server. What kind of man can just take that abuse in the face and not say anything? If you guys browse though the chat history, throughout yesterday and today, you guys will see what I mean.

You also have to understand that I play WvW like 90% of the time I am online. So I really want Kaineng to do well as a WvW server. If Kaineng ever fails as a WvW server, I don’t know what I would do. I already transferred once from SBI, so I don’t want to move again.

Let me just say that you guys got to put things into context. Just because a person used foul language it doesn’t mean that he was the offender. He might very well be that kitten off victim that happened to use some strong language.

And allow me to suggest that, if you guys want to get rid of all foul languages, why not just have a language filter that auto converts all foul language into “kitten” in game? Why give the players the “option” to use foul language, only to ban them?

I personally don’t feel what I did today was any worst than what I did in GW1. Yes even back in GW1 there were times when I got to defend myself. And I don’t think I was ever banned in GW1. I guess you guys now got more server admins to go around banning people. But come on I didn’t even know you guys tightened the law since GW1.

I went to the support webpage, and apparently I am banned from the support site too. So I got no other way to complain about my ban except for here.

I had been playing GWs since GW1 beta. I would really appreciate it if you guys look into my case. Thanks!

saintange.5816:

i wouldn’t mind if we actually end up going back in T8 or T7, we was losing a lot back then, but there was a good mood and spirit in the server, and i remember, i was having a lot of fun.

If we drop below tier 3 I might be done, unfortunately. And I am probably speaking for all remaining hardcore wvwers on Kaineng. Pretty sure any self respecting WvW guilds will be gone too. So you guys better hope it doesn’t happen. ^^

I said earlier that if Kaineng fails as a WvW server, I might quit this game altogether. I don’t like pve, so WvW is the only thing holding me to this game. I consider dropping to tier 4 the ultimate failure of a wvw server. Once you get to tier 4, you become a pve server that do casual wvw for fun. Of course this won’t affect casual players much, but any hardcore players would be gone, either transfers or quit the game. This is my personal opinion. It is what it is.

Mayoken.9851:

So, this is an interesting turn of events. Kaineng is disappointing me over and over. [CO] is looking to transfer, unsure about our destination. Open to options. Contact me here or shoot me a mail in-game if you would like to propose your server and why.

We have our preferences but our open to hearing about your “pitch”.
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In reference to the match up with FA and TC it’s probably been the best WvW I’ve had the last 7 months. I’ve really enjoyed and learned a lot from both servers and so has [CO] as a whole. We’re looking for a chance of pace, more of a server with stability and average time zone coverage (nothing too crazy).

Cheers to everyone, lets end the first year of Gw2 with a bang.

You guys should consider Vizunah Square. They are by far the strongest EU server. Over there you guys can take it easy and play for fun. And the best part is no queues!

Good luck wherever you guys end up. Thanks for all your help in Kaineng. ^^

Dead Island is surprisingly fun. ^^

Forget this post.

Arkanfel.8403:

SHAKA ZULU.3128:

It’s unfortunate CO feels that strongly about naysayers to the point of spending all that gold to get away from them. I hope they realize that will happen wherever they end up. Tons of people followed their lead, myself included, and I don’t typically follow commanders in a zerging setting ever- CO and and one other guild have been the exception. And I am in a small guild. :/ I’m just so disappointed this week in everything! Stop disappointing me plz.

I’m one of the GMs of CO, and honestly the trolling doesn’t really bother me that much. I’ve played WvW for months and I’ve seen a ton of it in game and match threads alike. There was indeed some trash talking in LA, but I probably wouldn’t have even mentioned it had I been the only person in the guild to read it.

I can’t speak for everyone, but for my part I want out because there is no cohesion or strategic execution. I often have to command when I don’t want to, for longer hours than I would otherwise like because no one else will tag up or because our only other NA guild on in force is busy fighting on another map. It’s also discouraging to know that literally everything we capture as a guild will be gone within 30 minutes of us logging out. The coverage just isn’t good enough to hold territory anymore; weeks of losing our entire home BL every day is starting to take its toll. We can only mount sporadic offensives on FA or (rarely) TC BL anymore. EB is still fun, I guess, but we want more options and a less stressful role in server strategy.

Yeah I heard about that night (Saturday I believe). I wasn’t there, but my guildmates were. They said it was probably the fastest map collapse they have ever seen. The map literally went from 100% Kaineng to 0% in 20 minutes, after the CO and Rise commanders that night left.

Sab.5291:

Torqky.3682:

WM and CO leaving Kain. In other news, how is everyone doing today? Keep it classy T2!

We have heard this before. Do you think they are gonna leave and to where?

This time it is for real.

WM is leaving b/c the lack of gvg and stale wvw match ups is hurting their membership. They lost many GW1 gvg veterans. Jang is trying to to get his guild back together by finding new competitions. They are going to EU and was announced last Friday Apr 19th.

CO has been, for whatever reason, hated by pugs and smaller guilds for a long time. Many accusations has been unfair and uncalled for. It is true that they don’t feel welcomed in Kaineng anymore. Last night (Apr 21st) after one more trash talking in Lion’s Arch they decided to move.

I am going to miss Jang, Chicken, Lizi, Mayo, Dekar and Sarabi. T_T

I hope other guilds in Kaineng would stay. Honestly I found pve very boring, and only WvW is holding me in this game. If Kaineng fails as a WvW server I might just leave this game altogether and play something else. My guild already moved once from SBI and I don’t want to move again. This coming from a GW1 beta player that had played GW for 8 years. My guild has been around since Diablo 2.

Forget servers. Forget guilds. Unless some quick improvements are made within 2 months, I think this game is about to fail as a whole. When veteran GW1 guilds like WM have problems holding itself together, you know something is terribly wrong with the game.

Slightly off topic, but the lack of gvg is killing this game. Lack of guild recognition in wvw is also killing this game.

The whole 24/7 around to clock system is also flawed. The system is burning everyone out.

I am seeing it with my own eyes that people are quitting this game left and right. My guild has lost 70-80% of its active members since August last year.

Other than WvW, there is absolutely nothing in this game that allows for community building. And the WvW community is highly depending on winning the matches. You start losing and people starts leaving. See SBI, SOS, IOJ, CD, etc.

The wvw environment is highly toxic in general. With trolls, spies and saboteurs everywhere. PUGs also don’t like to be ordered around by larger guilds. Many small guilds have hatred toward all WvW guilds, and show no appreciation and acknowledgement of what WvWers are doing for them. Many small guilds run 10+men havoc teams to flip camps, while making a point not to talk on map chat so they stay invisible to the bigger guilds. It happened in SBI, and it is starting to happen in Kaineng too.

For me, both pve and dungeons are extremely boring. The mobs are totally dumb and only relies on cheap one-hit-kill attacks. The only thing holding me in this game is WvW. If I ever get bored of it…

My guild already moved once. If Kaineng fails as a WvW server I will probably quit the game altogether. I don’t want to move again and if Kaineng WvW is no longer fun, this game has nothing left for me. There are plenty of games that I have on Steam, which I aren’t playing because I really want to help Kaineng win. This coming from a player who played GW since GW1 beta.

Vespirisa.1497:

Usually it’s TC who destroys our BL at this time…

Looks like FA wants to stay in tier 2 also. Game on fellow Kaineng so bring your A game. TC grab some popcorn and enjoy the show.

Happens in higher tiers all the time. I am surprised to hear that in tier 4 though.

Bhawb.7408:

CHIPS.6018:

….

2) PVT ele damage is pathetic. Sure they have some decent burst damage, but once you compare it to actual bursts, a perfect ele burst is worse than single button presses on actual burst builds. Also, not everyone runs PVT gear, I’ve consistently run rare MF gear when my server flopped between tier 1 and tier 2, it served me just fine, it just requires you to not be an idiot (too hard of a requirement for most WvWers I realize).

3) Eles have attunement CD, they go 30 into arcana so it isn’t so bloody obvious when you can kill them

If you are sitting with a single weapon and never swapping, you are the same as that ele who sits in fire attunement all day.

Tier of WvW means absolutely, completely NOTHING. I’ve been in every single tier, I have played against nearly every server. Top tier servers are top tier for 2 reasons: decent commanders to organize groups, and tons of people. If they don’t have tons of people, I don’t care how good you are, you will never be “top tier”, because zerging > skill. And then you need decent shepherds to lead the sheep around to their next pasture. Lots of people online (needs to be around the clock too, need the night crew) + commanders = tier 1, that is all you need; skill be kitten

Tier might not matter. But the opinions of those higher tier guilds matters. Unless they all suck and have no idea how to play.

Ask anyone from my server and they will tell you how OP eles are.

e.g.
“You can only kill them from range. They move too kitten fast!”
“Their heal is ridiculous.”
“I need to buy a rifle.” (warrior)
“I hate eles. This is BS.”
“Leave that ele. Kill his fat friends.”
“I will go in to troll them. You guys escape from here.” (elementalist)

When War Machine stack for team heal, they don’t ask for “Well of Blood! Blood!”. They ask for “Water! Water!”.

I am not going to write another long post to prove myself. I know what I am seeing.

Blaine Tog.8304:

@CHIPS,

I’m sorry, but it’s extremely hard to follow your post. It’s like you’re posting answers to a list of questions I didn’t post. I get the general gist (“you’re bad and wrong”) but it seems like you’re trying to respond to specific points and I just can’t easily connect my points to your counterpoints. I’ll do my best to respond but I’m just going to have to skip a few numbers.

CHIPS.6018:

1) In wvw zerg fights an ele would always use staff. Only the most crazy eles would use dagger. So that weapon switching problem is non-existent for them. They don’t need it. They just need to switch the elements at any time to be effective.

But then the fight changes and you’re SOL. One line charges the other, you need to give chase or suddenly deal with a crazy glass Thief (oh boy do they ever exist in WvW with their 10.5k backstabs) who’s jumped you, etc etc. If you’re just sitting by a wall attacking or defending, yeah, you’re just just going to sit in staff but there are situations where you feel the lack of weapon swap.

CHIPS.6018:

Corrupt Boon is the another useless skill in wvw.

I must respectfully disagree. Anyone with Stability can be rough for a zerg to take down sometimes. I find a lot of Commanders like to buff themselves up and lead the charge into a Lord’s Room. I honestly can’t count the number of times I’ve seen someone go from flying through a zerg with near-impunity to flat on the ground after pushing that single button. For some reason, killing a commander with a single “kitten you” button is one of the more satisfying things in the game for me.

CHIPS.6018:

Skill ceiling is not how hard it is to learn a profession. That is called the learning curve. Skill ceiling is how much you can potentially achieve with a profession. And the necro is very low in skill celling.

I’m aware of the difference between the two terms. I’ve just heard it said about almost everything that ends up being considered overpowered. When the game first came out, everyone said this about the Elementalist as well (“way too high skill floor, way too low skill ceiling,” to be precise). Then we figured out x/x/x30/30.

This leads me to be suspicious.

I will keep this short.

1) If you are away from you commander and you got backstabbed to death by a 10k damage thief, sorry it is all your fault. You should have been stacking with your commander and the rest of your zerg.

A zerg fight is about helping your zerg to win. It aren’t about you. And using the staff gives your zerg the highest chance to win.

2) Corrupt boon can be blocked. It can be dodged. It might get interrupted. Your game might be too laggy, both computer side and server side, to use it. And even a successful corrupt boon aren’t instant kill.

And in case you are wondering, in higher tiers the first guy that leads a zerg aren’t necessary the commander. He got “cover underlings” that stands in front of him to protect himself from harm. So you got to find that commander in the middle of a 60 men enemy zerg. Good luck with that.

I will give you a hint: Take Well of Corruption. That’s actually a useful skill in wvw.

2) No one experienced in wvw would run glass cannon, and that takes into account both traits and equipments. PVT is standard equipment in wvw for good reason. So once again that’s a non-factor. And PVT eles damage doesn’t suck, no matter how hard you try to claim it is.

You have to understand that a team support healing necro (such as myself) need to spent trait points into blood magic, which doesn’t help my damage at all. How is that any “better” than an ele putting trait points into water magic? It isn’t.

3) This post is so wrong. Nearly every point you made is false information. For starters, the second that you switch weapon you just earned yourself 10 second cooldown on all your other skills. And if you are already in a zerg fight, there is zero reason to switch out of your staff. This is specially true for a conditionmancer. Mark of Blood > every single skill in your scepter/dagger combo.

Feast of Corruption? Sorry I LOLed. You seriously going to say this skill is great on a conditionmancer in wvw? (yes, because you said “scepter/dagger is awesome condition damage, obviously.”) You do know that Feast of Corruption is the single most useless skill in the whole game right? And that applies to even a powermancer.

Corrupt Boon is the another useless skill in wvw. Look it is 60vs60. The lag is crazy. You are trying to follow your commander and dodging out of enemy AoEs. So you are going to find that single dude that has a ton of boons on him, cast corrupt boon? Fine let’s say you pull this feat off. What’s your prize? Nothing! It is 60vs60. You are not helping your zerg at all.

Death shroud tanking is not sustainable. Not in 1v1, so nevermind 7vs50+. On the other hand, ele’s mix of teleportation and healing is sustainable.

I am sorry, and I do mean it. But which tier of wvw do you play in? And how often do you actually play a necro in wvw. It just seems a lot of the defenders of necromancers either plays in very low tier wvw, or doesn’t play necro in wvw much at all.

4) You have to understand that I still think necro is a decent class to play. However it is becoming obvious to me that the skill ceiling of the necro is much lower than that of other classes. Many people here seems very confused about what skill ceiling actually is.

Look: When is the last time you seen a necro 1 vs 8 noobs? When is the last time you seen a necro in level 50 Fractal?

Skill ceiling is not how hard it is to learn a profession. That is called the learning curve. Skill ceiling is how much you can potentially achieve with a profession. And the necro is very low in skill celling.

Blaine Tog.8304:

Ramiah.5648:

I totally get where you are coming from about necromancer being versatile, and you are right, all classes are versatile, but not in the same fight. Each class must make choices about what they want to do, except the elementalist.

Nope, even the Elementalist, albeit differently.

Every other profession gets to choose how they want to adapt to changing situations. A Necro can run S/D for midrange fights and spend a lot of time kiting in duels, then press ~ and switch to their Staff for long range fights. Eles can’t do that. They have to completely disengage from a fight before they can change their range. Such a weakness is somewhat glossed over in sPvP where you’re only ever going to be fighting short-range but I assure you it’s very relevant almost everywhere else.

Ramiah.5648:

In their builds, Elementalists choose what they want to be best at.

The Ele only really has one viable spec. You basically can’t play them without 30 in Water and at least 20 in Arcana. Anything else and you die instantly. And honestly, that spec’s damage sucks. A really good Ele can combo very quickly to give the appearance of decent damage but it’s nowhere near what a Thief or Warrior or even damage-speced Guardian can pull off. Even a Necro will output much more damage than an Ele over time. All the X/X/X/30/30 D/D Ele is good at is staying alive, and even then a good Necro can beat them (it’s just going to take forever).

Ramiah.5648:

I’m not talking versatile because classes have many different builds, I’m talking versatile because they have access to many different things in the same build.

Oh I know, but let’s take an S/D+Staff Necro with a focus on Curses and see what they have.

1. Good condition damage. Obviously.

2. Strong CC: An AoE Cripple on a low cooldown and AoE Chill at high range. Also AoE Fear. It’s only for 1 second but that’s still enough to break a whole group of stompers from 1200 units way. Ignores Blocks, too. You even have instant single-target fear at the ready at all times.

3. Debuffing: An AoE Weakness on a moderate cripple. You can seriously hurt an enemy group’s damage if you use this right. Blinds, plus control over conditions. Extremely strong boon stripping. You can re-apply boons but not if your team spikes them down properly. It’s especially hilarious to pop Corrupt Boon on a Guardian with Stability who’s wading through a zerg thinking he’s all invincible and then boom, instantly on the ground.

4. Some ok burst with Feast of Corruption. Your direct damage isn’t actually all that terrible with this build since you have so much Precision.

5. Support: Near-perma Regen in an AoE for your team (including minions) from 1200 range. If you trait for it, you can turn Death Shroud 4 into a pretty good AoE heal for your team, too. AoE condition transfer at high range. Really strong if used at the right time.

6. Some tankiness with Death Shroud, if used to block big shots. If Life Siphoning had any sort of Healing Power coefficient (which it totally should), I think you’d see this strength come into play a lot more than it currently does.

Now obviously I’m not saying that beats the Ele in terms of versatility, but that’s still six strong things a single Necro build can be good at. Condition damage, Direct Damage, CC, enemy debuffing, support, and tankiness (for a light-armor class). I like playing my Ele for all the options I have in fights, but I also like playing my Necro for the brutal “F you” buttons she has. Trying to out-condition my team? Screw that, Putrid Mark. Oh that’s cute, the enemy Commander is trying to lead his zerg forward with a bajillion boons. There, not so uppity now, are you? Here, now your friends can share your misfortune. Also, Minion, charge him down!

Ramiah.5648:

And using the justification that they brought a necromancer is EXACTLY like saying they brought a knife-wielder to a gunfight.

Then maybe this video is evidence that sometimes, a knife is exactly what you want to bring to a gunfight. Because they brought one. So you can’t use that video as evidence that no one would bring a Necro on purpose. Because they brought one.

1) In wvw zerg fights an ele would always use staff. Only the most crazy eles would use dagger. So that weapon switching problem is non-existent for them. They don’t need it. They just need to switch the elements at any time to be effective.

To be continued…

I changed my build to deal more condition damage after watching that video. If my healing is gonna suck then I might as well sacrifice it for more damage. >_>

Swamurabi.7890:

All I take from this vid is…

1. Voice chat groups are far better than text chat groups.
2. DON’T stand in a choke point. EVER, unless you want to be a loot bag.
3. Siege is overrated. They were still using siege after the gate was down. A might stacked group that raced up the ramp would have wiped the defenders.
4. There are so many offensive and defensive moves that attackers could have done to make this an easy wipe…………

Fire fields for might, water fields for heal, light fields for retaliation, hammer warriors/guardians for hard CC, feedback, wells, veil, portal bomb, any kind of organized attack plan using the people in your group would have cleared that tower in seconds.

Think about it this way. 7 elite eles vs 50 bad players. Do they have a chance? Yes. The skill ceiling is high enough.

7 elite necros vs 50 bad players. Do they have a chance? No chance at all. The skill ceiling is just too low.

As many of you know, I play a team support healing necro. For damage I count on my condition damage.

Then I come upon this video.

I know for a fact that this ele in the video team heals better than me. MUCH MUCH better.

I know for a fact that this ele in the video deals more damage than me. MUCH MUCH more. That’s now even counting condition removals.

My AoEs cannot hit siege. His can.

I cannot disengage anytime from the zerg to recover. He can.

When I go down I cannot mist form away. He can.

People might think I am being unfair. But look:

Death Shroud? No one cares when it is 7vs50+.

Boon removals? No one cares when it is 7vs50+. You got to kill them fast, that’s it.

Its been my long term belief that necros are fine in a zerg. And all those classes like thieves and eles can only run away. They can’t actually fight when facing superior numbers.

I was wrong.

Necros might be fine in a zerg. But eles can fight 7vs50+. Which would you prefer?

Eles doesn’t need to run away at all. They can fight head to head just fine, 7vs50+. They just get the bonus option to run away when they need to, that’s all.

Sure that team is a very elite spvp team. But what can an elite necro do in this situation? 7vs50+ necros got no chance.

Ok now I am not suddenly saying necros are useless. But it is disheartening when I realize the “full potential” of other classes. These classes’ skill ceilings are out of this world. Whoa just whoa…

Anet, I hope you are reading this and watching that video. And I hope you finally give the necro something to work with.