Guild Wars 2

Kingzook.1620:

lol all i got to say to TC is that you guys had my respect before this match up, but not, it is gone. I can also say that from all your transfers, that your once great community is lacking in the ways it once was.

I really do not want to go against you ever again, DB has better ethics when it comes to playing on the battlefield

I had some respect for FA before this match up, but now you guys are negative. You people shamelessly spy and share knowledge on your public teamspeak. You don’t even try to hide it. A lot of people inside FA is very kitten ed off at this kind of cheating behavior in their own server. Good job losing your own players.

Who knows how long this has been going on? Months?

Not even Maguuma will sink this low to publicly cheat for everyone to see.

Hello Super,

WvW on TC is pretty good. What really set it apart for me is how respectful people here are. In general the militias do try to follow the orders from the commander, or at least they disagree with the commander in a really respectful manner. Many players are willing to scout inside towers for enemy ninjas.

TC is a RP server that accepts random thoughts and ideas. So in a way it helps the community to be more friendly and open minded to different opinions.

There is usually a sizable zerg to led or follow. Other than RE, there is also CERN and PiNK to follow. CERN is the biggest wvw guild on TC I think. There is also 2 EU guilds. There isn’t any Oceanic guild in TC right now, so its mostly militias.

The queue time for maps in NA prime time ranges from 10 min to 30 min, depending on the time, day and the map. That’s the sacrifice we have to make for a server with enough population to make a difference. Outside of NA prime time, there are very minimal queue times in Oceanic and EU, from what I heard.

Speaking of which, Aurora Glade is Dii’s EU headquarter. I better talk to those guys and see what they are planning about their future. Thanks for the heads up. ^^

I am sure you can learn a lot from the skills and experience of PYRO and C/ERN. They are good guilds. But please do not pick up their forum posting habits. No one likes that. >_>

I am a hard core WvWer that personally hated every standard PvE dungeon in the game. I only do them for gold. Its ashame because I really like GW1 dungeons. But GW2 dungeons are full of OP mobs and bosses and full of one hit kills, none of which have anything to do with my realm of reality. (e.g. CoF enemies are so strong, that the Queen should just pay them off and hire them as her body guards. She won’t even need us anymore.)

That said, I did enjoy that Frost and Flame dungeon. I found it very well made. And at the end you have to overcome two bosses with your character skills.

My opinion on this AR dungeon: Its once again full of cheap kills, nothing more.

One hit kills, map wide AoEs, invincible bosses (literally). None of this have anything to do with your character skills. These bosses just cheap kill you, period.

That final boss(es) were a total joke. I don’t think I had been this kitten ed off for a very long time. I rage quitted it after 20 fails in 2 militia groups. All the time wasted in this dungeon could have been spent in WvW helping my server out. I didn’t even have time to get my daily done before I have to sleep.

You see, it isn’t so much that I fail the dungeons that made my angry. Its how CHEAP these dungeons are when they kill you that kitten ed me off so much about all these dungeons.

I will admit that I hate GW2 dungeons in general, and my opinion is far from fair. I have very little patience for dungeons. But I am sorry but I just don’t find these kind of dungeon designs fun at all. And when it is unfun for me, my patience is minimal. 20 trials and failures was already very high for me.

That Frost and Flame dungeon was actually fun, and was a step in the right direction. This new AR dungeon is a step backward.

And this ISN’T EVEN hard mode.

Nuzt.7894:

I know ALS went Dragonbrand, and I believe the few others went to Dragonbrand as well.

I feel a bit jealous of those that moved away from AR, since that is the correct way to transfer out. They like each other enough that they are willing to transfer together to the same server into DB. That’s what I wanted for Kaineng, but it never materialized. Now former Kainengs are everywhere.

WM & Rise & KO => BG
CO => DB
RE & part of Dii => TC
MKS & TVB => FA
LOA => SOR
BLINT => SOS

Niim.9260:

Littlefeather.8623:

Niim.9260:

Littlefeather.8623:

Niim.9260:

Littlefeather.8623:

You may be takling about another night, RE doesnt loose against evenly manned fights, atleast not open feild fights. Not even SoR would fight us without Arrow Carts in the open field. Not trying to sound kitteny, but I havent seen a FA Zerg during primetime with merely 35 people in it. RE wipes, FA has wiped us but I have yet to see a WvW guild that can wipe RE as a guild with even numbers.

RE is a mediocre zerg guild. Nothing special or unique and certainly not in the top 10 that I have fought against. If you were half as good as you think you are you wouldn’t be riding the coat-tails of an already successful server now would you.

Oh another “bandwagon” post?
<removed boring life story>
So were not riding on any coat tails here my freind, we are just glad to not be depended on so much like we have in the past. Glad to have a stable server.

I never said anything at all about bandwagon. A guild that is good, likes challenges, doesn’t transfer to well established servers. A mediocre guild that wants to be carried does.

Not sure if you have always been on FA or not, but being on a server where your guild is the only large WvW focused guild, is not a challenge, it feels so stressful and demanding, much more than what you experience with stable servers.

We felt this two times, both times from T8 to T2. You must have had the priveledge of never feeling that, of never feeling directly responsible for putting in 12-18 hour days for your server. Of never recieving the comment, “Your in RE, arent you supposed to be in WvW?”

We envy you, and people like you who have never been through those situations. Thats why we are here.

Your life is so hard, how do you get up in the morning?

Let me try and sum up the boring history of RE. You were on Darkhaven, carried to T2 by its off-hour population and stalled, so you bandwagoned to KN which once again was carried by an off-hour population to T2 where it once again stalled. You then transferred to TC, a server with arguably the 4th best/even coverage in the game, and now your here talking smack and going on about your hardship?

People/guilds on servers that have lost almost every match since release, they have hardship. Your hardship is like telling hungry people that you ate to much and your stomach hurts. Enjoy the coat-tails.

Other than the first few weeks, FA never fell below rank 9. If you are born and raised in FA, you have no idea what players from other servers went though. You are just lucky to have picked a good solid server to begin your career.

Its like someone who worked 20 years in a stable company like Microsoft trash talking other IT people who changed from job to job. You are just lucky, nothing more.

If you yourself is a transfer to FA, well congrats you just joined the same club as we all did.

If you happen to be one of those “People/guilds on servers that have lost almost every match since release”, well its funny that you call it hardship. Hardship means it isn’t fun for you anymore. You are making a mistake by forcing yourself to stay in your own server. If you say “NO ITS STILL FUN THAT’S WHY I AM STAYING”, then don’t use the word hardship, because it isn’t hardship to you. Its hardship to other people and that’s why they move. It is not your place to judge what is hardship and what isn’t for other people.

KSQK.3485:

lensor.9684:

Yes this match-up kind of blows for morale, but I think it is important to remember that even if Kaineng finishes dead last this week, we can still gain rating points here! We are not supposed to win this matchup, in fact every point we do take is a win.

Yes it might feel overwhelming to face TC with their superior numbers and so many of our old friends fighting on their side, but it is not a useless fight by any means. It is just time to whip out the Guerrilla tactics. Take that camp. Kill those Dolyaks. Spend this week training for future matches. Don’t look too closely on the overall score, focus on accomplishing the small things, and take pride in doing that.

I have heard of some seriously awesome fights so far this match, so it is really worth while logging in, even though the overall score looks kind of lop sided.

And I hope that everyone can get over the fact that we are now facing friends in the field. No one predicted this, so let’s make the best of the hand dealt. We in Dii also lost several of our core WvW-ers to TC, but you wont see us giving up or hating on the people who opted to leave Kaineng. Nor will you see any Dii-ers “spying” on Kaineng (or on TC), everyone is just playing to have fun and experience the game the best they can.

Even so, Kaineng is still considered to be the worst WvW server because we kinda lack effective strategy dealing with zergs that greatly outnumber us, the lack of people participating in Kaineng WvW, the inability to control our own borderland (heck our kittening garrison got captured numerous times), commanders who have no kittening idea what they are doing or the priorities of controlling important locations (if the garrison or the main EB keep is captured, retaking it is the highest priority no matter what); and of course, Ajax Blue.

I’m planning to transfer away from Kaineng because Kaineng makes it really difficult to do WvW map exploration which I really need for 100% map completion for one character. And considering that Kaineng is stuck on the color red like three to four times in a row, it kinda shows how much fail Kaineng is in WvW.

Look at Vabbi before you claim Kaineng is the worst. :P

Kaineng isn’t bad. They just lack manpower. So those that do play have to carry a lot of weight on their shoulders.

Here is my Charr thief.

alcopaul.2156:

Asudementio.8526:

alcopaul.2156:

Rackhir Tanelorn.9123:

alcopaul.2156:

What is BT? the best example will be WM, if i may.

Well what will prolly happen is that i won’t see 3-4 tagged up WM magically appearing in 4 of the borderlands when we will have the chance to face Blackgate at reset.

At least the D|E|RP spy had class and actually bothered to pay gems to be on enemy servers.

My reply was to Zook, but if what you are upset about is spying do you realize how silly that makes you look?

First off, TC has more than enough Sentries and Scouts to track Zergs. Second, if those [RE] were so set on “spying” wouldn’t it make so much more sense for them to simply turn their tags off and avoid this whole situation?

You are calling them “spies” and “traitors” like it is impossible for them to actually be fighting for KN while still there. Haven’t you and your friends ever had a “pick up game” of basketball or football/soccer where even though you are all friends you still play against each other?

I really do think it is best if this is bothering you so much for you to just step away and take the week off. You are only causing a lot of strife where there doesn’t need to be any.

im not calling them traitors. just spies. prolly gloating spies. I didn’t see any RE n WvWvW since they announced their transfer to TC. Come reset vs TC and they magically appear in KNBL and EBG. Connect the dots.

Their appearance on KN bl was coincidence.

No, they had RE Kaineng leftovers in KNBL, prolly tipping their TC RE which had a presence in KNBL last night.

Then I port on EBG and i see RE leftovers too.

Know what? last night was the first time since their announced departure that i saw their tags in any of the Borderlands.

So what the kitten do you want me to think about?

Coincidence?

Sure.

Yeah sure some RE stayed for weeks on Kaineng to spy, because they knew weeks ago that TC will face off against Kaineng.

BTW Ajax abandoned Kaineng for FA weeks before WM left, in the middle of Kaineng’s fight against FA back in tier 2. So don’t worship him too hard now.

Anyways, FA is the server that openly spies in their public teamspeak. At least try to hide it haha.

Be careful who you invite to your guild this week, those in Kaineng and TC. You never know. A FA spy might be nearby acting friendly. :P

alcopaul.2156:

It would be better for our server Kaineng to boycott WvWvW for a week and escape this imbalanced matchup. The then bandwagon (WM, CO, RISE, RE, Meow, XF, etc.) Kaineng wasn’t able go through the needle that is TC and FA T2 to go to T1. Do you expect a weaker server now void of these bandwagoners (even these bandwagoners are now on the other side) fare well with this same matchup?

I just don’t want CHIPSY and RE and KN bandwagoners to FA if there are any having the idea that what they did was right getting out of KN. Better lose rating by boycotting this just to flip KN’s finger to them and to the matchup in general.

I know it’s a game. But to be in full control of the situation sometimes you gotta be in full control of the path of the server that it is treading. You just don’t force yourself fighting the invincible zergs of T2 servers which sadly house the prolly now gloating exKNs. Boycott the matchup and let them TC and FA farm each other. Uphold your pride and honor and don’t give them an impression that KNs are walking lootbags.

I couldn’t swallow the fact that there are RE in KN while their forces are Zerging in TC. Imagine a RE guy in KN forking the whereabouts of Ajax Blue in EB to the RE zerg. This thought makes me cringe. This spying is bullcrap and needs to stop. Please RE get the rest of your people out of Kaineng.

I am sure none of the hardcore wvwers that are still on Kaineng want to see people giving up.

Ignore this warning at your own peril.

You guys are great players and can hold your own. Don’t give up.

Snowreap.5174:

I wasn’t kidding when I said I’d worry about this. Just to check, I did 4 runs of 2 million rolls each, and checked the top 3 matchups for SoS after each run. here are the results:

Sea of Sorrows
5.152700 Tarnished Coast Dragonbrand
3.954150 Maguuma Yak’s Bend
3.943900 Maguuma Kaineng

Sea of Sorrows
5.168800 Tarnished Coast Dragonbrand
3.955300 Maguuma Kaineng
3.924700 Maguuma Yak’s Bend

Sea of Sorrows
5.144200 Tarnished Coast Dragonbrand
3.947200 Maguuma Yak’s Bend
3.934800 Maguuma Kaineng

Sea of Sorrows
5.149500 Tarnished Coast Dragonbrand
3.933400 Maguuma Yak’s Bend
3.924150 Maguuma Kaineng

if my code is wrong, it is at least consistently wrong (but I don’t think it’s wrong).

2 million rolls looks like it should be enough for accurate probability estimates down to about a tenth of a percent.

-ken

Do keep in mind that the random number generator is based on the time of the day. So rolling it now will give a slightly different results to when the reset actually happens.

That said, get ready for TC and DB. :P

Burning, which is a condition damage, in the spite tree which gives power. Is this real life?

Because when Mag beats weaker enemies, they boast about how elite Mags are and how garbage their enemies are, and come out in force to ride the karma train. And when Mag gets roll over by stronger enemies, they complain about lack of coverage and manpower, and just stops playing.

Excuses, excuses, and more excuses. Poor winner and sore loser all in one server. Maguuma never ever respect their enemies. That’s why no one likes them.

Anet should change the match up system to a 2 day period instead of 7 days. That way the foes are random enough that no one will be stuck in an unfair match up for long.

Sunreva.8714:

Auri El.1032:

Funny, I saw your little group myself. You were eager to fight the 3 of us up there while you had 5 down there. Rather than letting anyone close enough to actually make it an even fight, you and your fellows would just bum rush them.

Is that your opinion of a good fight?

Edit: I would be glad to do a 1v1, no reason to worry when we don’t have a Zerg right?

I’ve never seen an even numbered TC group voluntarily engage our group of roamers.

From my experience, when our roaming group encounters and equally matched TC group, the Tower Campers (TC) group BLOWS every cool down they have to RUN away from us, and hide in the nearest tower or keep.

I wasn’t involved in the incident that Sardine is talking about, but his screenshots clearly show his group has only 4 people (look at the squad + minimap), and your tower has at least that amount (possibly more that aren’t visible due to the walls). And yet, TC is hiding behind walls. Sigh.

Our engagements have consistently shown that most TC doesn’t appear to be interested in fair fights, and they’ll simply hide in safe zones until they get at least 3x more people.

O RLY? Here look at these before and after pictures. :P

Me and a few others have transferred to TC yesterday to see how things are over there for wvw. Dii’s headquarters will stay on Kaineng. We will return to Kaineng for guild missions and other world pve contents.

It wasn’t an easy decision, and hence why it became a partial guild transfer. Influences and merits also have a major impact on our decision. However we are wise enough to place the blame on Anet’s game designs decision instead of each other.

No one knows what the future holds. Perhaps Anet will merge guild upgrades, merits and influence into the guild, instead of the server. Maybe they will pay players in gems to transfer to a low tier server, to encourage population balancing. Maybe Anet will do a server merge to create a few tier 2 server from the smaller servers. But we can only make decisions based on the current information that we are given.

Its been an honor fighting beside all of you for the past few months. I wish you guys the best. :P

Why not go to TC? They are clearly not ready for tier 1, and they need Oceanic/EU coverage. So if you guys go there it will give other tier 1 servers a good challenge when they face TC.

Keep in mind however that TC doesn’t “feel” desperate for manpower, because as a server winning isn’t everything to them. They win or lose and they don’t really care that much. And hence they might not be willing to pay as much as other servers who are more desperate.

A lot of smaller servers are suggesting things like “Let’s lower map caps.”

Sorry but worst idea ever.

You guys think you are forcing these players to move to lower tier servers. But in reality these players and guilds will just rage quit the game.

My personal opinion:

Very high: TC
High: EB
Medium: BP

Kaineng do not have the lead after the weekend. And based on past history, Kaineng always loses points during the weekdays. So I think it is safe to say that we are eventually tier 5 bound (rank 13 or below, since EB is rank 12).

Enjoy our last week at tier 3 folks.

alcopaul.2156:

Ajax Blue in deeper E-bayer territories.

I still can’t believe that guy actually returned to Kaineng.

Kaizz.7306:

What’s interesting is that the servers are still pretty close. Yes, CD has a bigger lead, but there’s still plenty of time to pull ahead. Add that this is about the time Kain dies down and everyone on Yak’s is waking up, the last hours are gonna be fun. I’ve especially enjoyed the 7-8 3 way fights in SM. Favorite has got to be the 20 of us defending SM, and I beleive CD had their AC’s reaching all the way into the lords room, they all piled in, and we still wiped all of them. I will say that there’s quite a few Kain that like to hack, causing everything to miss them, and when they go down, you can’t spike them, and they come back from 50% down to full health. There’s not to many, but we took a lot of screens, one guy was streaming and got it recorded lol. Oh well, still a decently fun match. Waiting to get home so we can completely take everything like yesterday. Trust, it’s going to happen.

Maybe someone in your zerg died and they rallied?

There are apothecary accessories. Why not use those?

Zhaitan have the ability to summon undead armies. Why don’t we have that?

Isaac.6041:

Well there’s Vabbi.

I might be biased but I think Vabbi is actually beyond small group 5v5 level. It has gone into the solo 1v1 level. :P

Toxic.4320:

KN? I really had a lot of respect for you when I was on TC server (I’ve gone back to my original server of CD) and I have to let you know that your spawn camping with siege? Has seriously damaged my respect for you.

Spawn camping is just dirty pool -no matter who does it.

KN? Spawn camping? LOL. As if we can even do that anymore.

We lost the whole EB every night b/c we only have like 15 players. We had to ninja camps and towers and hope that the Yak’s and CD zergs don’t find us. Only at late night when Yak’s and CD goes to sleep can we get anything in EB back. Check the score history if you don’t believe me.

Kaineng EB, 9:30pm PST.

Its bad.

No offense, but shouldn’t this be in the World Recruitment forum?

Jahn.7019:

SoR is missing 1 guild completely that we know of, and 1 guild that is taking the week to refresh.

Unless BG or JQ is in the match, would be hard to tell how TC does against a full strength SoR.

I heard TW went to JQ for 1 week, just to fight BG.

Congrats to RE for finding a new home.

You guys should recruit from within. There seems to be a lot of pve players in GoM.

Luvpie.8350:

Server Population doesn’t mean anything for WvW. Nice try though.

Population by itself certainly not (as seen in GoM). But population and rank together gives a decent idea on what that server is about.

For example GoM is probably a pve focused server.

Does DB’s score usually pick up during the weekdays?

Here are the population size and ranks, for those considering transferring. Hope this helps.

Very High:
SOR 1
BG 2
JQ 3
TC 4
DB 5
FA 6
SOS 7
YB 10
CD 11
AR 15
DH 16
GoM 19

High:
Mag 8
Kain 9
SBI 12
EB 13
SF 18
NSP 20

Medium:
BP 14
IoJ 17
DR 21
HoD 22
FC 23
ET 24

One of JQ, BG, FA or DB.

I guess he was quoting a multi queue, and ends up removing the correct poster.

Either way he is obviously speaking to RE.

I think removing all upgrade monetary costs and then resetting the whole map (all controls and upgrades) every 8 hours (so we get NA, Oceanic and EU times) will fix most of this problem.

Anywhere Kaineng goes, 60 men enemy zergs follow. Even tier 4 is no escape. T_T

Ranks should be displayed on the commander tag in map. For example:

“Commander Colonel Entropy”

instead of the current

“Commander Entropy”

And player ranks should be displayed to allies as well as enemies in WvW.

Mastering the use of Flesh Golem was one of my most proud things in this game.

I never would have imagined that the gap between tier 2 and tier 3 is that huge. Whoa…

Dekar you are honest as ever haha.

Well let’s compare the difference between #1 and #3 in each tier.

http://mos.millenium.org/na

tier 1: 2
tier 2: 4
tier 3: 8
tier 4: 3
tier 5: 3
tier 6: 5
tier 7: 5
tier 8: 7

The average is 37/8=4.625 ranks. So on average you are facing someone around your rank. Those 8 rank differences does happen but they are rare. Wait till next week and you will most likely face someone closer.

SBI is still gaining rating this week.

kfarb.6732:

Welcome to TC, RE! We’re glad to have you and I’m sure you’ll fit in fine.

I heard RE is forcing their way into SoR desperate strong opposition from absolutely everyone. :P

Edit: NVM news just in RE is going to Maguuma. (as per Stone Walled)

katsu.4052:

Gina.9148:

CAA.9653:

@ OP. I have a couple of questions. I do not speak for my server. My questions and comments are my own.

What kind of server are you looking for? T1/ T2, mid tier, or low tier?

How many WvW players are we talking about? 15, 30, 50? And how many would actually transfer?

In FA we have a stable community, but we need more coverage. Lets say RE comes to FA. Considering you have already transferred servers, and are now considering transferring again, what would keep you from transferring out of FA if we drop to tier 3? That is, why are you transferring?

Hi~

As of right now, we are honestly unsure of which server/tier that we want to go. Obviously because of how passionate many of our members are about WvW, we want to maximize our enjoyment of WvW, but it does not mean we are looking into t1/t2 only. However, I personally believe that competitive & fun WvW matches can occur in other tiers as well, especially, with this new matchup system which we are very excited to see.

Like I said in the first post, we currently have more than 350 members. The daily RE WvW time we would have ~40 players in our zerg, more on reset. We always have players in WvW during the rest of the day, although it gets slower outside of our primetime. It is hard to estimate but I would say at least 80% of our active members play WvW. Of course some are more WvW oriented than others. I can’t predict how many are transferring but our main goal is to do everything we can to maintain the unity of our guild. None of us want to lose our friends during this process.

Tbh, forum posting makes me anxious :P (I think this is my 3rd post ever on the forum). I made this post for RE but Ethersin and other officers are checking it more regularly than I am. I personally do not want to discuss why we are transferring on this post because I would really like everyone to focus on the main purpose: informing others about who we are and what we want in the future. However, since now we have invited leaders from several severs to our TS today to get to know us better, any questions regarding our decisions will be answered then. If you are interested in joining us during that meeting, please contact Ethersin or myself in game to get more details.

How are you not looking for t1/t2? In a server-wide meeting Ethersin gave the Kaineng community an ultimatum… “if we move to tier 4 we are transferring” (paraphrased)

Dude read it again.

we want to maximize our enjoyment of WvW, but it does not mean we are looking into t1/t2 only.

That means they are looking for any tiers. T1 and T2 are not the only servers they are looking into.

Derako.3856:

Congratulations to DERP!
For those who don’t know, /DERP and RE faced off in GvG and /DERP won 3-0.

Well done. It was fun watching two skilled guilds face off.
However the spectator steamroll I could have done without…

Edit:DERP must be a terrible/mean guild cause i cant type your guild tag without it turning into “kitten” :P

D/ERP didn’t disappoint.

Any recruiters from SoS here? Sent them a PM. ^^

Well I guess its no secret now. XF is moving to BG. They are a very good oceanic guild and I am sure they can help push BG to new heights.

RE is still deciding on a server to move to.

Earlier, I personally had contacted multiple guilds and servers to convince them to come to Kaineng. I would like to issue an apology to all of you. It wasn’t my intention to “trick” some of you to come over here. And we are “lucky” in the sense that no one really came over anyways.

It was my personal belief that we could still get Kaineng to work. In fact I had talked to every single guild since tier 2 that’s leaving, to at least delay their transfers. But it was too little too late. And it all comes to this grand finale tonight.

Fact is Kaineng will now become a tier 8 population server, for real this time. All the transfers has left, and many guilds took with them native players when they move. But I think Kaineng will stabilize in tier 5 or tier 6 thanks to the players’ experience in tier 2.

All guilds on Kaineng should have internal guild meetings and see what they want to do from here on. You must place your own guild, all the people you know, above anything else. Be loyal to your guildmates and friends. Keep the game fun for them. Good luck all.

ParaldaWind.4523:

Good GvG tonight against [RE]. We got rolled, but that’s okay! I look forward to the video so we can improve.

[PYRO]‘s first loss, hopefully we’ll learn from it.

Also, please take the opportunity to kitten talk us, [RE], you guys deserve it. That’s not even sarcasm. I’m 10000% pro kitten talking.

The saddest part though is we got +30 in WvW score while RE was GvGing. Goes to show that GvG does more harm to us than good.

But since this tier no longer matters, I look forward to that GvG between D/ERP and RE tomorrow. D/ERP is one of the best GvG guilds in the world.