Guild Wars 2

Its hard to complain about coverage when you are already in tier 1. Your same oceanic that got owned in tier 1 will probably dominate in tier 2 oceanic time.

Chris.3290:

CHIPS.6018:

Chris.3290:

ko killer.3692:

Oh please, the amount of times my 5 man groups have had to deal with this same issue from TC and FA is unreal.

Yeah, I was actually laughing when TC sent 30+ people to take out 5 of your guys with a cata outside Klovan. They zerg so hard that I wonder if they ever can click anything other than the #1 skill all week long.

I was laughing the whole time I ran away then got ran over by one of the few FA zergs who dared take a TC camp.

I feel bad for high tier players that are “stuck” on a low tier server. They just gets bitter and becomes a forum warrior. So sad to see.

1. Thanks for calling me high tier…I think

2. I’m not stuck, I choose SoS

3. I’m not bitter, I just have a lot of spare time that I can’t spend in game at times. If something happens that is either amusing or WTH; I’ll probably mention it.

My comment seems to have struck a nerve somehow. You guys (TC) do zerg a lot and you tend to send 30 people to do the job of 10.
Usually that’s what happens when you have a lot of PvE’rs coming in for an easier week, but since this seems to have hit so many “hardcore” TC’rs where they live maybe I was wrong in my assumption.
Either way, you enjoy your meteoric 2 point gain in the ratings and I’ll enjoy all that nice loot you have nicely given to us.

Your server don’t have manpower. Its not our problem that you only have 10 guys around to do jobs that normally requires 30, and have to pray that the enemy zerg don’t find you and wipe you out. Obvious fact is TC is bigger than SOS. If you chose SOS then BE HAPPY about being there. Stop being bitter and jealous on bigger servers. Thanks.

If you want fair even fight, you are on the wrong server my friend. 30 men zerg is the norn of WvW. Its what the game is designed around, not 10.

Le Rooster.8715:

CHIPS.6018:

Chris.3290:

ko killer.3692:

Oh please, the amount of times my 5 man groups have had to deal with this same issue from TC and FA is unreal.

Yeah, I was actually laughing when TC sent 30+ people to take out 5 of your guys with a cata outside Klovan. They zerg so hard that I wonder if they ever can click anything other than the #1 skill all week long.

I was laughing the whole time I ran away then got ran over by one of the few FA zergs who dared take a TC camp.

I feel bad for high tier players that are “stuck” on a low tier server. They just gets bitter and becomes a forum warrior. So sad to see.

Bandwagon more.

Don’t blame us, blame the game.

Nikkinella.8254:

CHIPS.6018:

You should use in-game gold to buy gems to try a new server, before quitting the game.

How the hell is this a solution? People hopping servers and all stacking onto just a few is what is causing the current problems in WvW to begin with. So how is recommending he join one of those bandwagon zergy servers any help? They need to get heavy handed and force transfer some guilds back to the servers they hopped from and even out the population, because this is getting frigin ridiculous. Either that or lower the population cap temporarily on all the maps to make it more fair. People would get sick of the longer queues on the mega zerg servers then transfer back. Things would stabilize after awhile then they could raise the cap again. How is 100 vs 10 even remotely fun especially when you’re on the side with only 10?

And how are any these WITHIN THE CONTROL of the original poster???

BTW lower the server cap is a very bad idea. Other players might leave the game.

Chris.3290:

ko killer.3692:

Oh please, the amount of times my 5 man groups have had to deal with this same issue from TC and FA is unreal.

Yeah, I was actually laughing when TC sent 30+ people to take out 5 of your guys with a cata outside Klovan. They zerg so hard that I wonder if they ever can click anything other than the #1 skill all week long.

I was laughing the whole time I ran away then got ran over by one of the few FA zergs who dared take a TC camp.

I feel bad for high tier players that are “stuck” on a low tier server. They just gets bitter and becomes a forum warrior. So sad to see.

WvW leveling is faster than PvE on a high tier server that’s winning every week. In each fight you are getting experience from 60 enemies, instead of just 20 or 30. And obviously your zerg have to win those fights for you to get that experience.

The opposite is a low tier server that is losing every single week. Sorry but you are much better off doing PvE to level on those servers.

Colly.4073:

CHIPS.6018:

You should use in-game gold to buy gems to try a new server, before quitting the game.

How is that a solution? I have been on the same server since launch where my guild and friends are.

Think about it this way. “Guild and friends” is certainly not enough for you, since you are considering quitting the game altogether.

You have no control over your server. You cannot recruit people by yourself. You cannot make other servers loss members by yourself.

You have no control over the game design and game directions.

The only thing you can control is which server you yourself is at.

Kaineng used to have a server guild… T_T

You should use in-game gold to buy gems to try a new server, before quitting the game.

woofie.5603:

They can’t challenge us. Another week of ruined wvw. There is no god.

FA just got RAM from Yak’s. That is a very good guild. Don’t take our enemies lightly.

Tribio.8531:

CHIPS.6018:

I agree with Delarme that server merges is inevitable now, specially with the likes of Vabbi and FoW. The only question is when.

I’m from FoW and I disagree..
I chose FoW as server since it had a nice ring to it (little did I know that it would be in T9 WvW for ages).. Should servers merge, then I’m off, transferring to a high tier server to troll, since I have no more “home” server at that time..

And I’m quite getting kitten ed because of all those kittenheads mocking the T9. Meet me in 1v1 in the battlefield, and I’ll show you T1-3 what a T9 ranger can do.. (yeah, ranger, you read it!)

Even if what you said is true, 1v1 will never be WvW. That’s why 1v1ers might choose to stay on FoW, while all WvWers will eventually move out. (or has already moved out.)

I agree with Delarme that server merges is inevitable now, specially with the likes of Vabbi and FoW. The only question is when.

I am sorry for you losses. But if you really enjoy running with them, then consider moving with them.

Where are they moving to btw?

I suggest SoS for you.

TC probably have the best mix of PvEers and WvWers overall. Both populations in TC are huge. You can find players to do both fairly easy.

There are also plenty of guilds that do both PvE and WvW. PiNK and RE comes to mind.

Perceptor.7189:

CHIPS.6018:

OMG did RAM or CL transferred out of Yak’s?

RAM =(

I feel bad for you guys. RAM is a good guild. T_T

Splifferton.9874:

You should come take a look at Yaksbend — We have a need for a WvW based guild right now seeing as though we lost one of our biggest ones to FA this week. I can give you the whole speech as to why yaksbend is awesome but I wont.. If you want to join a server that doesn’t have crazy ques or anything like that.. You can come to Yaksbend and help make a difference in WvW.. If you have any questions about Yaksbend or anything just PM me here or on Yaksbend.com im little grundle over there..

OMG did RAM or CL transferred out of Yak’s?

We finally broke 500. ^^

(correction: we got 500 a few minutes after this. But my char is more hot in this picture.)

Yay [WvW] picked TC! I missed you guys.

Nyx Xox.3540:

CHIPS.6018:

Spies vs forum warriors. Who’s gonna win? :P

uhhhhhh……wrong forum?

Hehe Nyx I came to the right place. I think this will soon become the most interesting thread in this whole website.

Undercover agents vs forum warriors. Who’s gonna win? :P

wads.5730:

where are you transfering to next month?

I am not in PYRO, so you have to ask them.

kerona.3465:

bye pls
hope 2 see u never

Fine let’s not see each other.

Call me maybe?

Tetra Bug.7134:

alcopaul.2156:

WvW leaving Kaineng is sad. It’s OK that WM, CO, RISE, RE, XF, Meow left. But WvW? The guild that has been in Kaineng since T8? I remember Taiwan Man trash talking CO members when they announced a departure party in LA.. Where the kitten is the server loyalty that I heard from Taiwan Man that day? I guess they ate their own words.

Just to show you that the only permanent things in this world are death and taxes.

Kaineng is like a transfer station. Everyone’s trash comes in and hangs around until it moves on to it’s next destination.

EB, we really don’t need Maguuma 2.0 on the forums right now…

Grammar NZs man! Grammar NZs!

Jinks.2057:

Engel.6029:

Cares Less.9631:

Sometimes it’s hard to see the forest for the trees… they didn’t bandwagon off, they were driven off, anyway you believe what you want.

:( The last thing the people Kain need to be doing is driving off guilds.

That’s the 1st thing they need to do. Get rid of Wagoneers, and concentrate on making the server strong.

Skill > Wagon IMHO

Whoa… >_>

WVW (the WvW division of SOS) is a native Kaineng guild since tier 8. They have fought for Kaineng though both victories and defeats for almost a year. Go read up some history please.

Go to JQ. They can use more NA guilds to make T1 more competitive.

JQ/TC/DB. I really want to see who deserve that 3rd seat in tier 1.

saiyr.3071:

CHIPS.6018:

kfarb.6732:

Farewell, PYRO. It’s been great running with you and I’ll miss you, as I’m sure most of Maguuma will as well. When Paralda told me you were transferring, I admit I was a bit shocked, but I’m sure you’ll find some good fights there.

gb

If true I won’t be surprised. I think PYRO was on the edge of moving since weeks ago.

Oh, CHIPS. You always know how to embarrass yourself by commenting on matters that you are clueless about.

Hickeroar.9734:

Benjamin.6235:

Hickeroar.9734:

Yeah, the way a frontline works, it has to have a lot of micromanagement. You really have to be a tight ball of CC and Pain, and you need a “point” (commander) to follow for that role. If you get spread out, you’re worthless, and can be picked off.

Sure, if you want to play like you. If you want to play like us? Kitten all that.

You guys have a very unique playstyle. It’s very effective, and the standard frontline tactics, we have discovered, just don’t apply against it. Props.

I wish we had another couple weeks against [DERP] and [VR] to figure out the best way to counter it short of either copying it, or having a two-pronged attack. (Two pronged/pincer seems to be the only way to reliably counter it.)

Yes, we are pretty unique since we have a back-/mid-line commander, but that doesn’t meant that it can’t/shouldn’t be replicated. I don’t think everything RG does should be put into a book of law, partly because most of us “lower tier” (lol) guilds just don’t have the same level of coordination/skill.

Honestly, I think playing with more imagination is the best counter. No offense, but the PTV-hammer-train-running-in-a-line meta is an overly simple strategy. I don’t know if that’s what you perceive yourselves as doing, but it’s what we see. People need to experiment with more things and not arbitrarily limit themselves. The fact that many guilds have blanket restrictions on glass makes us/me very sad. It’s definitely not for every individual, but a player that plays glass well will contribute a lot to a fight.

Oh they are not moving yet? I am disappoint. :P

Sean.8274:

1. Masking numbers.
2. AOE benefits (area might/swiftness etc)
3. Using their /supplyinfo mechanic
4. Moving as one ball into an opposing zerg usually has better results than disorganization.
There are probably more.

Pretty much this. AoE target per skill is limited to 5, so a zerg stack together can give each member protection against nukes. And you can only buff each other when you stack.

kfarb.6732:

Farewell, PYRO. It’s been great running with you and I’ll miss you, as I’m sure most of Maguuma will as well. When Paralda told me you were transferring, I admit I was a bit shocked, but I’m sure you’ll find some good fights there.

gb

If true I won’t be surprised. I think PYRO was on the edge of moving since weeks ago.

I suggested that Anet switch to a “Swing” random match up system. Read my forum post and discuss it there please.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Use-a-Swing-match-up-system/first#post2345091

The idea is simple. In odd weeks (week1, 3, 5, etc) your server take on the rank (or rating) of the server above you, in regard to match up calculations. And in even weeks (week 2, 4, 6, etc) your server take on the rank of the server below you. This gives some additional variety in these randomized server match ups.

Take the server SOS for example. They are currently rank 8, and next week they will be rank 7. Their rating will be 1 807.881. Above them in rank 6 is FA at 1 833.973. Below them in rank 8 is Maguuma at 1 769.759.

If next week is an odd week, they will be considered rank 6 with a rating of 1 833.973. This means they will most likely face servers ranked 5 and 6. So they will most likely face servers above their level.

If next week is an even week, they will be considered rank 8 with a rating of 1 769.759. This means they will most likely face servers ranked 8 and 9. So they will most likely face servers below their level.

This little swing will further prevent stale match ups. Under this system, match ups like SOS facing TC for 4 weeks in a roll should only happen very rarely.

Thoughts?

You guys should focus on keeping all your existing guilds first.

Good luck Ins on PS, and then later BG. ^^

Dark Aidget.3879:

Just to be clear, GOAT left a server that is not only continually winning, but growing by the week. We didn’t move because we finally wanted to win, we moved because we wanted to contribute. We wanted a server that values skill over numbers and the needs of the server over the egos of a few. We aren’t huge—we rolled 23 at reset—but we are enthusiastic and felt that Maguuma fit our play style and could absorb our small guild into their server without any issues. We’re keeping a low profile while we figure out our place in the established order. To bash Maguuma because GOAT transferred is just silly. We’re still trying to learn the jargon.

Tiers mean nothing anymore. There will be no meteoric bandwagon rise, like Kaineng’s, in the future. Crying ‘bandwagon’ just makes you sound quaint. Expect a lot of volatility over the next week as guilds find their fit. People will shift to where they are having the most fun. Leaving a winning server because the way they won just wasn’t fun made sense to us.

No offense, but the only way you can be considered a “non-bandwagon transfer” is if you transfer to a lower ranked server. BP is ranked 13 while Mag is ranked 7. By going to Mag you guys increased your personal chances of winning, all other things being equal. Hence by definition you guys are, indeed, bandwagoning.

And if you look back, this conversation started when some dude from Maguuma have the nerve to accused me of bandwagoning. Yeah sure, as if Maguuma never got any bandwagoners. If you look at Maguuma’s history, you will know they also got a ton of transfers back then, just before the end of free transfers. Magumma is full of bandwagoners too.

If people want to call people like me a bandwagoner, they have to accept the fact that they themselves is playing alongside many other bandwagoners in their own server. Or they can man-up and force their bandwagoners to transfer out of their server, and pay for their transfer. There is no way around it.

If you guys want respect here, please do not post on forums like the rest of Maguuma. They love to use double standards and never show any respect for anyone. Maguuma is the #1 most hated server (on the forums) for good reasons.

zastari.1730:

CHIPS.6018:

If this week’s match up was DB-Mag-SOS, you guys will face the EXACT same problem. DB will just roll over all of you. So what’s the difference? What’s your next plan? Disperse DB also?

Same thing with any of JQ, BG, SOR or FA facing Mag and SOS. The exact same thing will happen. So what are you going to do disperse them all?

Give me a break please.

As far as low population servers are concern, none of the top 6 servers is any different. They will roll over you, period.

I do feel sorry for you guys. But it is all Anet’s fault. Instead of disperse the bigger server to fit your needs, why don’t you transfer yourself to a lower tier server so you can enjoy yourself there?

Oh look someone that bandwagoned from SBI to Kaineng and then Kaineng to TC. Please tell me more!

Plenty of bandwagoner everywhere, including Maguuma. You guys just got a new bandwagon guild GOAT last week, remember?

You guys should kick GOAT out if you hate bandwagoners.

UnrepentantProcrastinator.7420:

CHIPS.6018:

If this week’s match up was DB-Mag-SOS, you guys will face the EXACT same problem. DB will just roll over all of you. So what’s the difference? What’s your next plan? Disperse DB also?

Same thing with any of JQ, BG, SOR or FA facing Mag and SOS. The exact same thing will happen. So what are you going to do disperse them all?

Give me a break please.

As far as low population servers are concern, none of the top 6 servers is any different. They will roll over you, period.

I do feel sorry for you guys. But it is all Anet’s fault. Instead of disperse the bigger server to fit your needs, why don’t you transfer yourself to a lower tier server so you can enjoy yourself there?

First of all, I’m on BG. Secondly, no matter where the other two servers transfer TC will still be the Tier 1.5 server steamrolling T2. That’s the problem here.

It can’t be avoided by transferring lower. The only solution is to buff Tier 2 to be competitive (and therefore glue the top 6), or disperse TC. The latter is far easier.

1) There is no longer any tier 2. Any server have a chance to face anyone. So your point was invalid.
2) Tier 1 or 2 servers (like BG) will still roll over any tier 3 or below servers. This problem isn’t from TC alone. This week’s problem can very well be repeated by any tier 1 or 2 server. So your point was invalid.
3) TC is very closely matched with DB, specially now that DB got more guilds. FA is falling behind because they lost a few guilds, which has nothing to do with TC. So your point is invalid.

II Achilles II.8492:

CHIPS.6018:

UnrepentantProcrastinator.7420:

Asudementio.8526:

And what of us that enjoy our home on TC and want to face T1 servers as equals?

Then wait it out. Get to Tier 1.

I was only ever addressing the hypothetical solutions to balancing Tier 2. Bear in mind, even if TC gets to T1, whoever gets bumped down will cause the same problem in T2.

What remains true is that the least radical, most logical course of action for balancing T2 is for TC to disperse, that was all I was saying.

The competitive 6 servers is hopelessly optimistic, I’m afraid. What is in the realm of possibility is further detaching Tier 1 from Tier 2 and below by not having a “1.5” server. It will get stale for T1, but the system will favour gluing BG/JQ/SoR together, and keeping Tier 2/3 together. On the slim chance someone goes into T1, you’ll have a blowout for a week. But it’ll overall be more balanced than the 5 weeks of steamrolling T2 in TC’s current state.

If this week’s match up was DB-Mag-SOS, you guys will face the EXACT same problem. DB will just roll over all of you. So what’s the difference? What’s your next plan? Disperse DB also?

Same thing with any of JQ, BG, SOR or FA facing Mag and SOS. The exact same thing will happen. So what are you going to do disperse them all?

Give me a break please.

I do feel sorry for you guys. But it is all Anet’s fault. Instead of disperse the bigger server to fit your needs, why don’t you transfer yourself to a lower tier server so you can enjoy yourself there?

You say it is all Anet’s fault, yet in your signature you show how your guild originated on SBI, then moved to Kaineng and are now on TC. It would appear your guild jumps ship when a server starts to implode (as a result of exactly what your guild is doing). Ironic..

Plenty of people moved for various reasons. So I don’t see what you are getting at.

Talk to IRON and ask them whose fault is it that they have to leave.

Talk to TSym and ask them whose fault is it that they have to leave.

Talk to WM and ask them whose fault is it that they have to leave.

Talk to BT and ask them whose fault is it that they have to leave.

Answer from all: Its Anet.

Speaking of which, let’s test your personal loyalty to SOS. Let’s say you are starting to dislike the situation on SOS. One day your guild decides to transfer. Most of the people that you enjoy playing with are also moving. You can either move with them, or you can stay on SOS and play with people and strangers that you barely know. What would you do?

Its the people that you enjoy playing with and spent the most time with that should have your loyalty, not the server.

II Achilles II.8492:

Lakord.7435:

II Achilles II.8492:

Lakord.7435:

All you people do is complain, cry, moan and groan.
About what? How TC is ‘face rolling’ or ‘Stomping’
TC zerging isn’t the issue.
The issue is you guys don’t change it up. It’s the same thing every time.
Run -> Stack -> Charge -> Die -> Back to step one.
SoS: You have the numbers. Experiment a little.
Mag: You’re hopelessly unprepared for anything other than a tower Siege. AC can’t win every war for you.

^^^^^^^^
Get your Handy Dandy Notebooks out, with a blue crayon, sit in your big red thinking chair and THINK. What I said, alone, can be the difference in you winning or losing.

No, SoS does not have the numbers. I just transferred off SoR back to SoS to avoid the clusterkitten of skill lag from the mass zergs and TC has a more comparable wvw population to T1, not SoS. SoS used to have the population/coverage to match TC, but not in many months.

What I’ve seen tonight says otherwise. SoS outnumbered us at least 2v1 and they even wiped us one solely based of the shear amount of people. But they still get smashed. Why? Well, my quoted post answers that.
TC has won many outnumbered fights because numbers don’t win a war.
1 thief can fight 5 people if the thief knows their class, I’ve done this plenty.
Never rely on numbers, rely on tactics and knowing what class can do what.
That’s everyone’s problem. You make a class get it to 80 and expect it to win. Yet, you don’t take the time to sit there and break it down past “I swing sword you die”

TC has won many outnumbered fights because numbers don’t win a war???

Who has TC beaten with a larger wvw population? Name one server. You got stomped by SoR which is the only server TC has faced with a larger population. In fact, WvW matchup history shows that TC was ranked 6th while SoS was 1st. TC’s “rise to power” was solely based on absorbing guilds just as the “downfall” of SoS was due to guilds transferring off. (Notably, [TSym] to SoR).

If my memory serves me right, SOS collapsed in tier 1 while TSym was still staying. When SOS fell to tier 4, TSym decided to move.

UnrepentantProcrastinator.7420:

Asudementio.8526:

And what of us that enjoy our home on TC and want to face T1 servers as equals?

Then wait it out. Get to Tier 1.

I was only ever addressing the hypothetical solutions to balancing Tier 2. Bear in mind, even if TC gets to T1, whoever gets bumped down will cause the same problem in T2.

What remains true is that the least radical, most logical course of action for balancing T2 is for TC to disperse, that was all I was saying.

The competitive 6 servers is hopelessly optimistic, I’m afraid. What is in the realm of possibility is further detaching Tier 1 from Tier 2 and below by not having a “1.5” server. It will get stale for T1, but the system will favour gluing BG/JQ/SoR together, and keeping Tier 2/3 together. On the slim chance someone goes into T1, you’ll have a blowout for a week. But it’ll overall be more balanced than the 5 weeks of steamrolling T2 in TC’s current state.

If this week’s match up was DB-Mag-SOS, you guys will face the EXACT same problem. DB will just roll over all of you. So what’s the difference? What’s your next plan? Disperse DB also?

Same thing with any of JQ, BG, SOR or FA facing Mag and SOS. The exact same thing will happen. So what are you going to do disperse them all?

Give me a break please.

As far as low population servers are concern, none of the top 6 servers is any different. They will roll over you, period.

I do feel sorry for you guys. But it is all Anet’s fault. Instead of disperse the bigger server to fit your needs, why don’t you transfer yourself to a lower tier server so you can enjoy yourself there?

MikeB.3857:

Mike.4618:

Jeda.5209:

Yet another week facing Zerg Coast….
4 out of 5 weeks we are matchup with TC and now we got guilds maybe looking to leave due to these horrible matchups every week.

We haven’t had one decent matchup since these dumb random matches began.

We’ve actually lost 4 WvW guilds this past week due to this ridiculous charade.

The only thing this catastrophic failure of a system is achieving is forcing even more people onto a smaller and smaller group of servers (wvw people that is).

I’ve been on my server since release day and even I am thinking of moving to another server or quitting altogether =(

I’m sorry but I am at a complete loss to understand such incredible incompetence.

This times 10. My little guild is thinking of leaving too. It’s just bad. The sad thing is that I think this is what anet wanted. More pay to move. Cause you can’t be this bad at something in this day and age of mmos. This match making is horrendous.

Before RE and some of us in Dii moved to TC, we actually heavily considered SOS. We thought:

“SOS already collapsed, and it picking itself back up. It won’t collapse again. It should be stable. "

Little did we know.

I am glad we picked TC at the end. Our friends in BLINT wasn’t so lucky.

One of the reason why smaller server is un-attractive is because any of them might collapse any day. No matter how much people preach about the stability of their server, a smaller server is prone to collapse. I am sorry but that’s the truth.

Big servers will continue to get bigger. For example the EU guild KISS from AG recently moved to SOR, the “already” most EU stacked server on NA. They decided within one day, so I think its fair to say that guild knew exactly where they wanted to go right from the start.

All of this is from the way the WvW system is designed. I really hope Anet have some idea on how to fix this. Maybe a server merge or something.

SykkoB.9465:

anet does deserve some of the blame i agree but u also gotta put the blame on the ppl who made post after post telling them to do it

THIS IS WUT HAPPENS when a company listens to a bad idea

This system would have been great if it was implemented right at the start of GW2, when server populations were MUCH more balanced.

If true, SoR now literally have 24/7 coverage. This is awesome, except that there is no one to complete against it. SoR is now tier 0.5.

I use Special Wall for its protection buff mostly. That part of it got nerfed hard. 5 seconds are often not enough for the whole zerg to run though.

DS5 is a good CC skill though.

I S U P E R S I N I.4761:

Thanks to the mods for cleaning up irrelevant post’s and thanks for the reply’s from all guilds/servers involved.

Thank you for all the replies, emails in game message’s its been a crazy day.
We have selected a server.

Thanks.

Which server have you selected? :P

Ok I tried it tonight and I got it done. The militia group have some useful skills and are willing to listen to my experience from yesterday.

Tips:

1) Against the first boss, use group Stability skills. Guardian and Mesmer got them.
2) Get the group used to jumping onto boxes, specially in phase 1 and 2. Just tell them its good practice.
3) Against the final boss, run around in very small circles around the girl. That way you can still avoid the majority of her attacks, while her guard will still her her.
4) At 77%, 52%, 27% health, get your group to stack on you. Prepare to run around clock wise in a large circle (the edge of the map) as soon as phase 2 starts. Repeat.

displacedTitan.6897:

LordByron.8369:

so you are happy that in order to play a “challenging” (debatable) content they have to introduce things that override completely what the game is about.

I knew what would happen with this dungeon even before trying it.

if you need i made a post from before patch…
I wasn t deluded mostly because i know how dungeon team seems incapable of giving any meaning to equipment, skills and traits in PvE.

enjoy SAB 2.0

Do you even read what you write here?

So the fact that this is really hard with no condition removal and in zerker gear doesn’t give any meaning to equipment, skills or traits? Not to mention that stability on Frizz makes it almost too easy of a fight.

Learn some proper grammar and some play skill then come back to the forums, its hard enough getting your poor logic without fighting your inability to type properly.

Thedenofsin.7340:

ANet look at your server stats – you’ve way overtuned this instance.

How many times do you need to be told you have to set up a test server?
How many people need to stop playing before you listen?

Pretty sure most people are enjoying this dungeon. In no way is it “overtuned” why dont you maybe increase your skill level instead of increasing your forum crying.

First boss: I am necro, how do I get stability without destroying my current build?

Second boss: I am necro, how do I get vigor?

I cannot stress enough that the problem with this dungeon is not just that it is super hard. It is how they go about making it hard. Its full of cheap kills. And it is much easier for certain professions than others.

Kingzook.1620:

also, can i connect the dots by saying that since you talk to FA players, WvW players, that you are indeed spying on us?

Talking about the current situation of FA is very different from actively reporting the current position of the enemy zerg.

saiyr.3071:

SHAKA ZULU.3128:

CHIPS.6018:

Not even Maguuma will sink this low to publicly cheat for everyone to see.

Sounds like a challenge, Magz.

Pretty sure we already beat that challenge :\

I asked Zero once, and he told me Magumma doesn’t spy at all. You guys just talk bad on the forums. >_>

Plenty of sources from inside FA confirms that they are openly spying.