Guild Wars 2

BlackBeard.2873:

Haven’t seen this update in practice, but, in theory, I like that defense now has an advantage. It makes sense that you have to set up your own counter-seige to take out enemy firepower first. Slapping yaks and controlling camps also becomes more important. Maybe the maps will need to be modified to allow a reasonable ballista spot to take out AC’s, or allow for mobile mortars that do great damage against seige, but this is moving in a great direction! Superior numbers might not just rule the day 100% of the time now. Strategy is a good thing.

groans
Not going to bother

Aneu.1748:

Heijincks.9267:

By the way, walls typically also take longer to take down than gates. Players tend to go for the path of least resistance.

This is where I start to get irked by some people. Cata’s do almost double the damage to a wall than they do to a gate. If you line a cata up against a wall and a gate and hit both then the wall will go down first – The only time this changes is when a keep/tower is fortified (and a gate is reinforced) and even then the difference is minimal.

Please in future do your research before you come out with absolute insanity in a thread and just make yourself look very dim.

You wouldn’t have to explain this if he’d spent a week in wvw. Everyone should know them cata spots by now, they get used on a daily basis.

Funny thing is you can now counter every cata / ram spot in ne tower with an ac or treb (at the balllista spot). Only way to take it is to treb it.
Probably the same with just about every single tower and keep in the game actually

dragons tooth?

Considering zergs of > 50 aren’t exactly uncommon in higher tiers … nah even they’ll be torn to ribbons by them.

I guess we’ll see, on paper i dont see these changes ending well

The basic issue is that ac’s were already extremely strong. Yes you could tank 1 or 2 – it would weaken the attacking team enough to make them relatively easy to wipe if you left the keep (which is fine and good).
The problem is that currently servers are using 4 or 5 superior ac’s on every defence point so you cant get within 30 yards of a keep without dieing. You could golem rush it with 5+ golems and you might get one gate down before the golems died but thats not going to happen anymore.
It’ll be treb wars from now on. They build a treb you build a counter treb and wearing walls down for two hours having to rebuild the treb every 5 mins while they burn all their supply repairing walls. Then you take out the wall and repeat the same crap on inner for 2 hours. Then you take out inner and they wp away to avoid paying the 2s repair cost.
One of the better counters to blobs recently has been the difficulty of getting accross the map to wipe smaller groups attacking multiple points – not anymore 2 or 3 scouts and they can wp around wiping them with 5x numbers.

These changes promote blobbing and bunkering in keeps with a crapload of siege. Things the overwhelming majority have been complaining about recently.
Theres a reason T2 servers are desperately trying to avoid going up a tier, theres reasons T1 servers routinely fall apart and the current T1 servers are desperately trying to get the hell out of T1. These 2 changes have buffed vizunahs play style.
They’re idiotic changes.

People defending ac change have blatantly never fought vizunah or riverside. Its already too easy to get around the map fast, wp’s being free more often and longer isn’t helpful.

Ethose.5694:

I see people saying that stuff will be too easy to take because of the 30 second lag on notification and at the same time others saying the AC change will make things impossible to take.

Sounds slightly like balance to me.

Overall I’m very excited about the patch notes. Can’t wait to get in there and see how it all works out.

It’ll be easier to take stuff off servers that like to fight in the open field. It’ll be easier to defend stuff for servers that like to camp towers and keep with 20 ac’s on every door who refuse to leave until they have an overwhelming number advantage (vizunah and riverside basically – servers people absolutely hate fighting).
Its a terrible change imo.

Croustibat.1304:

Well, since we [WAR] are on AR, u should see that we run by our own, commander off and dont hesitate to engage even when outnumbered. You [YaK] were a lot, we tryed to do our best with our number, maybe if u were not running 40+ other guilds dont need to regroup then. Anyway, that was a really good evening for [WAR],
We enjoyed to fight [rddt] [DAWN] [TUP] [YaK] and also [Dius], btw kudos to [Dius] who dont hesite to fight even if they are less, great guild.
We really enjoyed to fight [TUP] ,tought guilds aswell with good players !
I hope you enjoyed the fights aswell.
Best regards,
Jhiana, Warforgis

Only get to hang around for an hour this evening but the fights with war stood out, you gave us a bit of a puzzle in how to counter your tactic. Hope the later fights went better for the rest of dius anyway
The fight around briar that involved pretty much every guild and commander on the map within a few hundred yards could have been amazing but was ruined really by being pretty laggy.

Garrison fights always cause skill lag on a border, always (dont know why im bothering to reply to THAT poster). Its no ones fault its just part and parcel of the game these days.

Its already possible to starve blobs of supply with good scouting, theres only ever 2 nearby supply camps to them and if they have to go to the far side of the map to get a small fraction of their zerg suppied they’d get kitten off quick. Its a good idea to take all the supply or none if your trying to do it. That way if they show up at a camp you can upgrade it before they cap and empty supply.

Your idea might work but i dont know. I suspect trying to cap a well defended keep if you have to leave every 15mins to guarantee supply would become a nightmare and i can easily see a really annoying, frustrating meta game developing around it.

Also @ TallDan
4 guardians can take out a buffed supervisor quick. 1 could if they could tank the damage (they cant). You dont need a zerg for it.

Yeah im inclined to say pvt really.
The damage an organised group does come from quantity of people hitting the same area at the same time not from gear (also 25 stacks of might goes a long way to covering up a lack of stats).
Basically if you have 10 people hitting the same spot doing 2k damage each then you’ll hit everything in there for 20k damage killing most classes / specs. Thats the simple version, i know im leaving out aoe cap and all that stuff but i think you get my point.

Wouldn’t go full pvt as its just unnecessary but I would aim to be tanky.
There is a sweet spot with survivability and going beyond that is kind of a waste. No point surviving situations that the rest of your group / zerg cant and sometimes killing stuff fast is the best defence.

Thanks for letting us live RG : /
was tempted to make a RG ran away from 5 of us joke but thought better of it lol
from dius at vale

Also thanks to dawn, fury, vvv (?) and other groups whos name ill continue forgetting until ive fought you 500 times
Lots of good fights which was unexpected considering there was only 10 of us tonight

Jimmy JimBob.2801:

Caid.4932:

Idd
The 3 guilds that have transferred to RoS will only push them up one or two tiers its not THAT big a deal.

If only it was just 3. Unfortunately I can think of at least 7 guilds off the top of my head (1 un c’d tbf)

Well yeah it was 3 initially, I’m sure by the end of the week you’ll be able to name a few more. The mass migration has started.
We have a server guild we made for april fools day (which pretty much every wvw’er on the server joined) its pretty funny to see the number who change server. Kicking about 3 a day recently. All guys you wouldn’t notice from small guilds and stuff, so im sure theres many, many more joining who aren’t in guild groups.

Should check it again, would put money on a dozen or two being on RoS by now.

Jimmy JimBob.2801:

I think the main point here is to consider if you’re looking to transfer down to a lower tier is “What impact would we have on the matchup”

Idd
The 3 guilds that have transferred to RoS will only push them up one or two tiers its not THAT big a deal. Its the momentum they create that pushes them back up to T1.
Every player looking for easy wins or being on the ‘best’ server (ie a massive number on Deso and SFR who will go into freefall now) are going to be looking at the match up this week seeing them slaughtering GH and Dzag and will be itching to get in on the ‘fun’.
Over the course of the week RoS are going to get a massive number of small guilds and solo players that tend to go under the radar and if / when they go up a tier they’ll then be too big for FSP and AM and it’ll be the same situation – them slaughtering them giving more momentum to the bandwaggoners.
For a 30+ man guild to swap servers they really have to be very careful or they’ll just end up back in the position they transferred to avoid. They dont seem to recognise the impact on a match they have (especially in lower tiers).

Also annie means 20 v 20 v 20 in total. Not 20v20 fights. Currently we in gandara have about 20 insomniacs on a very good night.
While AG and BB have a couple of pretty organised 20+ man groups running around on 2 or 3 maps (20 on each to be clear) at 2am : /.
Then RS and AR get up at the crack of dawn and golem rush everything down with 50 man groups or some other crazy rubbish.
Gandaras insomniacs have gotten a bit burnt out or remembered that sleep is pretty kitten nice so were not competing in any way shape or form most nights (had a tick of 10 for about an hour a night or two back and similar ticks are becoming par for the course recently)

They do, would be kind of broken if they didn’t – would be too easy to pick out the mesmer from the clones otherwise.
Not that im saying thats the explanation, wasn’t there so I have no idea.

Best just to report it to Anet … tbh I think posting these things on a forum is a bit of a waste of time.
I have no doubt we have plenty of hackers (couple have a reputation for it) and I’ve seen plenty of hacks from the other servers in this match up. I didn’t post them because the arguments are just … a bit pointless.

Might as well just tell you on their behalf that xxx dont do gvg’s.
We (dius) have a couple of them arranged for the next couple of days so probably wont get a chance. We wouldn’t be able to get 25 people together regardless so they’d have to be more like 15 / 20 (20 being optimistic for us)

Found it a pretty frustrating night for dius. Started off in AG bl but had outmanned within 5 mins of joining. Got 1 or 2 fights from NP that were fun but generally got steamrolled over shortly after the fight started by pretty big numbers that we didn’t feel particularly confident of competing against let alone beating.
We moved to EB which had basically 1 group from AG and RS. Mostly ECL from AG and … yeah 10-15 vs ECL is a bit pointless.
Had a bit more luck from RS because they were mostly pugs seemingly. But all it took was one good mesmer in the group dropping a null field at a good time / place and people would die after getting thrown around like a ragdoll. That utility is a such a massive gamechanger or maybe stability is just too important a buff in this game
They also had many glamour mesmers, making life difficult. Very easy to oneshot yourself on the confusion.
Anyway, seemed like a pretty weird day, very little in the way of smaller groups which have improved recently so wasn’t much fun to be had for us really.

Probably mistaking you then, never really see charr necros but then i see ag groups all seem to have one each now i think of it lol. You must be the charr necro server or something.
99% of other server necros i see are asura … maybe the odd semi naked human female.

As for the welcome back, more talking about Unity …. which isn’t necessarily gone?
I dont know ive seen very little of them outside the one or two with the tag in other groups. They said they were back last week but still haven’t seen any around … i guess you guys just remind me of them a bit (which is good I liked Unity).

Also @ corran
funny, we’ve been getting quite a few untimely upgrades in keeps too

Nah he was pretty good actually, its a bit weird changing leader though. You kind of form habits that you aren’t aware of till someone else is leading and wants you to stop doing that thing thats been subconciously drilled into you over hours and hours and hours : /
There was only 8 of us though and i think most of them were as hungover as me
Kali never would have let us run into briar there was like 40 AG or something in there so at least he appreciates a good suicide rush. You got to respect the suicide rushes.

We picked the kitten out of them flowers though man …
We also died a lot, that warrants giving us a mention doesn’t it?
We suicided into briar after AG broke door down to take it back from RS, that was fun.
We did loads of productive stuff and we want recognition kitten
(da_mnit is censored -.- seriously?)

Thought you were leading them on the GvG’s ?
Ah well, your very recognisable anyway

Was good to see you out and about again anyway, you were missed

Beri.3156:

Around 20 max 25. Yea we were bit surprised there Sadly that we often get pugs to follow us even we run without tag. We had to sacrifice 1 our commander to get pugs off from us I don’t like to blob but that’s something u gotta do nowadays or u will lose everything.

PS. leave me alone when u see me alone no need to hurt me that hard I’m the Charr necro with pink Quaggan backpack

You are the old unity commander aren’t you?

4 groups TDA, 4!!!!!!!!!
cries

No sunday is a bit of a silly day for dius and we were running quite light tonight.
Nice to see UNITY are still around despite the name change (hard to mistake your leader / commander guy)
Some good fights even if we were a bit rubbish, wasn’t our commanders fault (we give different people a chance to lead on sundays and he did good) i spent most of our fights typing in /g chat about random crap or falling asleep at keyboard.

Myrmidone.4362:

Every Matchup, same whining from you…….
Don´t worry monday is coming then you can do once again your Night and Morning PvDoor;-)
Did you ever saw one us complaining about?
I suggest you to look just about the Points on PT there is AG first, we second and gandara third so step back from that point cause it is false.
As i said before on RS are just few organized Guilds who run on their own, all others are just randoms or smaler Guilds of 10 people so the run often together, you should accept this and play the Game instead of that some of you are complaining about Bullkitten.
AG has some very decent Guilds, DTK faced some of them and it was very funny, Gandara………….just 2 Guilds which are notable on my opinion, rest is mindless zergs, i see you learned a lot from BB and RS;-)

Greets Myrmi

The golem rushes dont stop during the week from you
Not that im complaining, its all good.

Yuki Chuki.2457:

Sirendor.1394:

Rhayn.9452:

No point in complaining about blobbing really, when the game so blatantly caters to that approach.

Remove the AoE cap allready!

I agree to this point. No AoE cap means small groups aren’t limited to hitting 5 out of, say, 20 offenders, instead they would hit all 20 and would possibly be able to defeat them, by skill instead of by manpower.

Sadly, it’s not as easy as that. An AoE cap removal would also mean that everyone of this 20 offenders could heal all the other 19 at once with his AoE healing skills if they grouped up… let alone buffs

They could just remove it for attacks. But yeah i’m with Zumy on this, it’d be a bad idea.
As a melee your just never going to hit more than 5 people regardless. Rangers / Engi’s with the piercing thing again you wont hit much more than 5.
It’d just be a massive buff to staff eles and glamour mesmers basically. It’d have pretty massive balance implications that i think most people haven’t really thought about.

If your fighting 80 guys the only thing that will work is auto attack anyway, it wouldn’t even help all that much.

Well think its safe to say AG won. Yesterday was pretty dissapointing from gandara really.
We were as bad as AG were good. I guess every server has its off days but we just cant afford them when were handing out 30 / 20k leads every weekend.
Was a good comeback all the same
Gz to AG

Sorry for spam /cheering after ganking some tup warr.
Couldn’t help myself

Krato.4729:

Please stop feeding the Wamgor, you will make him fat(ter) and he already has enough trouble keeping up with the raid leader. As for last night’s action, thanks for some decent fights and it was noted that you allowed us some fun by holding back at certain points. That’s the nature of WvW,you fight what’s in front of you, and if that’s a crazy blob then so be it. Occasionally the open field guild action happens, but if that’s what people are after we have the Sacred Windmill community driven events for that.

We’ve been in the same situation as you guys, where there is no enemy in the zone and everyone rushes to the few opponents in zone to gobble them up, , so sorry to hear you had a boring night. We learnt a bit more about Dius from the multiple engagements and look forward to our next dance.

I even missed feeding the ROCK
Meh, there were a few good fights in there

Wamgor.9347:

Even one of your members mentioned that your leader was wanting to troll when sat on rock south of briars… with multiple ac’s, superior ballistas… 60 guys… (40 of which was from 2 guilds) against 15 tup… with a handful of randoms running around. You guys have posted and semi bragged about being the whole zone down on top of TUP to annoy them… and also being invovled with yolobus blobbing us.

Feeding the ROCK isn’t an act of trolling, HE requires it. Were just not foolish enough to anger HIM and suffer the consequences. Also the ROCK dissaproves of you referring to HIM with lower case letters. Very foolish doing that … you’ve been warned

We bring the whole zone down on you to kitten you off (by you I mean you, not TUP) its petty but entertaining.
Its mostly because your posts are just circular and tiresome at times and were pretty sure it succeeds in kitten you off so we continue doing so.
We’ve spent a page arguing and the first two posts sum up the entire conversation – you said we blobbed a bit tonight, we said we know, we tried to avoid it and suggested an alternative. You said we blobbed tonight, we said yeah … we know! You said we blobbed tonight, we said kitten off. Then you said yeah but you blobbed a bit tonight.
Im willing to bet your next post will say we blobbed a bit tonight

I dont really get what you want from us Wamgor, you want a fight against us and us alone but not a gvg … hell youve even gone out of your way to point out we outnumbered you.
So you want a fight against us and us alone with equal numbers and no interference – thats gvg which you were offered and refused.

Not sure what you define as a roaming or why you like it, i like it because of the randomness and the lack of structure. Sometimes you get wiped by twice your numbers – it sucks, then you wp and your back 30 secs later, its not that big a deal. Sometimes you wipe twice your numbers its brilliant and gives a rush that you’ll never get in a gvg.
Sometimes you’ll get sandwiched against a wall and die – it sucks. Sometimes you’ll take advantage of the enviroment and wipe a bigger, stronger group than you. I like wvw for the lack of rules. I like fighting against the odds, if i want a fair fight on equal terms then ill try get a GvG going.
I dont avoid blobbing because its dishonourable or something. I dont blob because its boring and yes tonight was boring, maybe your more adept at avoiding it, we tried which I won’t bother in future with you as you’ll complain regardless (I will actually for my own enjoyment … but … yeah kitten you lol)
We’ve openly admitted that a lot of the fights weren’t fair, we didn’t claim they were. We didn’t claim once that there weren’t pugs involved in a lot of the fights. We offered you a fair fight which probably would have been more fun for us (and going by your whining you too) and you refused.
I resent you implying that the situation on the border was of our making or in anyway enjoyable for us. You CHOSE to be outnumbered heavily and now your crying about it

Wamgor.9347:

Caid yes, we preferred roaming action over GvG and WvW is unfair true enough… But come on, some guilds have a certain way they play by… like really would you waypoint to kill a 5 man guild group with 20? that are already engaged and fighting more than their number?

Its called overkill, boring and winning by default… that’s why we try to avoid blobbing.

You guys need to learn your allied guilds more haha… Os seemed fairly decent btw, didn’t fraps or take screenshots im afraid. Their guild name looked weird and hard to pronounce that’s why I refer to just tags much shorter If I could spell their name for you I would haha

I know missy, and thanks for pointing that out So there was no reply of Dius going XX, or OS going XX? just everyone and their mother go? because zone wasn’t under much pressure? I saw a few RS very briefly tonight.

We ran into JP but by that point already lost people and was down to a few left. Only time I can remember I see you not adding was towards the end in the SW camp (hill part)

anyways cheers for the fights, its a shame we didn’t get more

I prefer roaming over GvG too but sometimes the scales are going to be stacked against you, we felt kind of bad about it (which is why we asked did you want to GvG) but there was nothing else we could do about it really

There were times tonight when there were reports of 15 RS at hills and we basically said ‘so deal with it, there a million acs there’ and they replied ‘theres only 3 of us here’ the pugs weren’t organised in any way shape or form so we kind of had to wp at times to deal with things a more organised group of pugs could have easily dealt with.
If they were organised we probably would have left map to seek something a bit more challenging but the other maps seemed to be doing well and we weren’t overly confident of gbl staying blue if we left so we stayed. Some of us were bored, some were glad to have a more relaxed night. We asked on our server forums for a commander to join the map a few times tonight but it didn’t happen.
We didn’t report where we were going, we normally would but there was no reason to tonight and reporting would have just added more pugs to our group.

Seriously who are OS lol?
Is it something really obvious that I should know and im just being doppy again?
We left you be Wam when you ran into the JP. We were kind of hoping you’d kill the random guys aroudn the area and we could get back to fighting but … had to go kill some other stuff somewhere i think … or we just got bored standing around, I dont remember.

We asked you for a GvG specifically to avoid the adds, you refused so your in no position to complain. We cant control every player on the map – the situations you ran into are what roaming is about (sucks sometimes but there you go)
We pulled back and left the pugs to fight you on a few occassions. We did everything that could reasonably be expected of us to avoid making it too unreasonable a fight, which we had no reason or obligation to do other than we dont particular enjoy fighting 1v50 or whatever numbers you want to pull out of your kitten
I think we should be complimented rather than criticised tbh.
And yes sometimes we wiped you while you were engaged because you were an annoyance that had to be dealt with so we could go south bay / hills and deal with something else.
Who are OS anyway? Never heard of them.

I S U P E R S I N I.4761:

Space.8053:

I S U P E R S I N I.4761:

On a different note It was great fun keeping Gandara guilds like Duis YaK xXx IC WvW busy for over 2 hours. While you get self obsessed with the wanting to kill or re-claim the camp. you was not busy claiming other keeps or towers. It was a lot of fun and I am sure both servers had lots of lootbags to gain.

Revenge for us tonight at AG Hills while Riverside capped your stuff

FEAR reclaimed our hills and removed your friggin waypoint :-)

We got revenge for your revenge of our revenge of your revenge … wp back in your bl xD

Valik Shin.9027:

The biggest problem when running with out a guild is is a lack of organization. When I was on yaks bend server I would often have 30-40 pugs following me on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon. But portal bombs and ball tactics didn’t work well because of a lack of communication. The guild groups are all on VoIP together which allows then to react instantly

Which is why pugs need 2x the numbers to compete against guild gruops and why they cant compete against x number of players that large guilds who have commander tag on run around with.

chaosbringer.4092:

As a pug in AG following KISS regularly, I thought I needed to add my 2 cents worth.

As everyone obviously knows, pugs are here to stay and I daresay we are the backbone of WvW. Otherwise it’d be mere GvG. Point is, if everyone keeps asking guilds to flag off, where do the pugs go? Yes, blobbing isn’t the best way to play GW2, but don’t diss KISS for letting the rest of us pugs enjoy the kitten game. Otherwise, all us pugs would be consistently wiped by organised guild groups. Let us have some of the killing too, and stop being kittening selfish.

For that reason alone, and I think I speak for many pugs, thank you AG guilds (particularly KISS for me) who keep your com icons on and letting the rest of us savour some of the fun. And much respect to RS and Gandara for some good fights I’ve been in so far.

Yeah we have similar issues on Gandara. The only people who can afford commander tags are in guilds or PvE’rs. The people with the most experience of leading groups are in guild groups most nights of the week so they tend to be the more popular ones.
The thing is … for pugs to compete against a guild group they need 2 – 2.5 times the numbers. Thats just the way it is.
When you take a guild group of … 20 – 25 (? I dont want to get into numbers) … basically KISS and add 20 pugs to them … the guild group give the organised backbone to turn it into a group that no pug group on a map can compete against, they could never get enough numbers on a map to do so.
The only thing that can is a guild group running similar numbers and theres just very few of them on any server. WvW on ours can if they tag up i suppose, haven’t seen any on RS that can and maybe 1 or 2 from BB could .
Also personally I just find it really, really dull to run in them numbers.
When people are running into a group on a map that they cant realistically compete against, without resorting to a playstyle that … is frowned upon somewhat and not enjoyable for many … then they complain.

Basically they might be making the game fun for you but they’re making it miserable and / or boring for a lot of others.
Not trying to criticise KISS or pick a fight with them. Its not their job to make the game fun for others, they might not be aware that their playstyle isn’t all that fun to fight and as i said i dont particularly mind blobs. Just pointing out that some of the criticism is … well its going to continue basically.

I S U P E R S I N I.4761:

Caid.4932:

Same as you saying you kept 5 guilds busy in our borderlands yesterday. I went to bed fairly early (bout 9) and at the time the only guilds on the border were us (dius) and YARR. Im sure there were members of other guilds in there, we had a LOT of pugs on. But it was pretty guild free.
Maybe more showed up as the night wore on though. I wouldn’t know
Was one of the more fun evening I’ve had in wvw for a while though.

I like the way the forums are at the moment, Although I would like to confirm that I saw with my own eyes, a full stacked [Duis] tag who we had alot of fun fighting Hell they even wiped us up northwest a couple of times. Good play. hmm lets see we have about 15 previously raging [xXx] members who bought the loss to these forums. I also saw [YaK] stacked outside vale entrance with balista’s and attempting a couple of mesmer bombs. They even pushed the southwest side of vale mountain to jump down on us. It really was set guilds and set randoms from Both Aurora Glade and Gandara. It is really nothing to be ashamed of or attempt to hide. It was a kitten load of fun dont forget that guys.

Its all that matters is the fun.

Like i said i wasn’t there for the majority of the night. Stayed up the night before for some shenanigans. Anyway was fun while i was there and we had guild bounty stuff before so we had quite a few more than usual which was nice.
Funny that we have to have pve stuff to get people into wvw seeing as were supposed to be a wvw guild lol.

I S U P E R S I N I.4761:

If you really wanted Gandara website to be private you would change the privacy level Via members.

Wish you’d lower the privacy settings of your site, only found out about it a day or two before you ramped it up and it was pretty entertaining
No seriously i dont think anyone particularly cares who reads our site.
As for the comments about 40+ kiss groups, its kind of natural really. You see 40 guys and a dozen of them are kiss while the rest are assorted tags with 1 or 2 members then your going to say 40 kiss going x.
Same as you saying you kept 5 guilds busy in our borderlands yesterday. I went to bed fairly early (bout 9) and at the time the only guilds on the border were us (dius) and YARR. Im sure there were members of other guilds in there, we had a LOT of pugs on. But it was pretty guild free.
Maybe more showed up as the night wore on though. I wouldn’t know
Was one of the more fun evening I’ve had in wvw for a while though

Anyway, i used to give out and moan about blobs but they dont particularly bother me anymore. I dont like or respect them much but I’m used to them and have learned to deal with them basically.

Also we didn’t get much of a break from blobs in T3 xD. We had to deal with them at 9am through to prime time.

Immolator.5640:

Caid.4932:

Immolator.5640:

cough cough 3omega7alpha on our keep in the early morning when we were outmanned cough -

The legend grows by the second, it was really 52 omegas.
No seriously it wasn’t THAT bad. 1 omega, 8 alphas, 4 superior catas an arrow cart or two and a few flame rams … maybe it was that bad.

Caid, you know I was there, right? Are we talking about the same keep?

Really, didn’t see you there? Playing an alt?
Hope it ws the same keep or poor RS are really desperate to get our EB keep. It was 6am when i was there

Immolator.5640:

cough cough 3omega7alpha on our keep in the early morning when we were outmanned cough -

The legend grows by the second, it was really 52 omegas.
No seriously it wasn’t THAT bad. 1 omega, 8 alphas, 4 superior catas an arrow cart or two and a few flame rams … maybe it was that bad.

KinkyWarrior.1879:

Caid.4932:

KinkyWarrior.1879:

The initial two golems we built for Hills was planned, we thought it would be a good idea to keep it T1.

Wrong the initial 2 golems we built were planned for RS bl as revenge for their (really, really fun to defend against) golem rush on our eb keep a few hours previously.
Then we were on AG bl ….
Not sure how that happened but im going to blame lloa because everything is his fault and i’d been awake for 24 hours at that point so was weak and easily manipulated by his evil manipulaty ways.
Rest was just lol’s and see how far we’d go before we got wiped basically (and how many golems we could rope random people to contribute to our carefully thought out ‘plans’).

Im not sure what happened all I know is that golems appeared and we broke stuff.

Of course you dont you dastardly mastermind evil planner of stuff

KinkyWarrior.1879:

The initial two golems we built for Hills was planned, we thought it would be a good idea to keep it T1.

Wrong the initial 2 golems we built were planned for RS bl as revenge for their (really, really fun to defend against) golem rush on our eb keep a few hours previously.
Then we were on AG bl ….
Not sure how that happened but im going to blame lloa because everything is his fault and i’d been awake for 24 hours at that point so was weak and easily manipulated by his evil manipulaty ways.
Rest was just lol’s and see how far we’d go before we got wiped basically (and how many golems we could rope random people to contribute to our carefully thought out ‘plans’).

So yes one of the masterminds behind the ‘plan’ couldn’t tell the difference between AG’s bl and RS bl in a sleep deprvied stupor (as oppossed to the usual just regular plain old stupor) and refused to continue playing without a golem
Btw if im on later ill be the guy wandering around the skritt tunnels in a golem looking for your garrison … and ill probably be looking for your garrison on RS’s bl (i’ll find it one day, you’ve been warned!!!11!!!)

Why bother?
Theres a lot of places you can leap to that you probably shouldn’t be able to get to.
Not like he gained a massive ammount by getting up there

Saint Scarlet.2906:

Just let AG win heavily so they can swap places with AR. Best for both tiers, you get to fight AR(with the new RG) we get BOON and everyones favourite guild TUP. Dran i could be wrong about that matchup before xmas thing :p

Eh … no thanks. You can keep them

IDarko.4709:

The last few times we faced Riverside, they owned us during the weekend just like now but we won the matchup because of our play during the week. I’m not saying that it will happen again, but don’t be surprised.

Dont see it happening this week Darko. AG and RS are quite motivated and were not in the least.
I think we’d have a hard time winning if we were motivated. We just wont compete if the current gandara attitude stays the same. Not that im really complaining, im not that bothered about points or tier these days either.
Think that match in T3 we won has done a lot of damage motivation wise.

KinkyWarrior.1879:

Warning not a blob post or anything related to blobs

I think KrisHQ what Caid is getting at is that before you can complain about your population imbalances, try more efficiently organizing the population you have.

For Example;

All this:
http://i.imgur.com/zqK1rbq.jpg

For This:
http://i.imgur.com/1yQUVmY.jpg

Again; Im not complaining about blobs or playstyles Yardy Yardy yar, I just think that this illustrates what Caid is getting at. It was like that all evening minus 1 10 man AG group elsewhere. Oh and, that was on BB map, so none of this, AG doesn’t have enough to press enemy borderlands ;O

The funny / silly thing about that was the wall by the trebs was at about 2% at that point and you wandered off and left about 5 secs before it went down.
If you threw a cata on that side the trebs wouldn’t have reached (they’d overshoot) or if you just stayed 5 secs longer you probably would have taken it instead of BB

We’ll try track them down and let their guild leader know, thanks for the report. Haven’t seen the guild either but theres lots of small guilds on gandara.

We were getting a lot of ninjas against you in the match with FSP too (probably more actually).
Meh, im not sure what im arguing about anymore lol

Wamgor.9347:

Caid I don’t think their making excuses just stating facts… if you look at the history of WvW it shows the kind of WvW population AG as got… in comparison with Gandara & BB who have played in the higher tiers, and can compete in the higher tiers too.

AG is light at certain times… it reminds me of old piken, relies a lot on handful of pug commanders and a few guilds (not even including TUP in that) … I know other servers are light at certain points too but generally AG is at more times (less coverage)

Then you got the double focus thing… AG generally (not always) get double focussed more, and I Know its BB’s tactic to go for AG Gandara plays pretty opportunistic too… where imo if it wants to first should be smashing BB at almost every opportunity to undermine them (like riverside did but to the extreme lol)

So I can see the point their trying to make… despite you guys wanting to dispute it WvW always comes down to numbers & coverage in the end… not who is “best” because you can’t define who is the best server, its subjective. I think AG uses its resources very well for what it has, of course every server has room for improvement (but if you improve too much higher tiers are looool… lag fest, more ques, more blobs)

Server Score only determines our enemy, I don’t feel like my team is losing when I get the fights I enjoy and have fun

AG have beaten and competed against BB over many weeks. We were hanging around this tier for a while before making it up to T3 and in fairness we were there for a whole 3 weeks losing 2 of the matches quite heavily.
Your well able to win this match up.
BB just want it most this week and I expect them to win because they’ve been better and hungrier for the win than us or you.
We dont really focus any one side, Not as a server. Were opportunistic – if theres a fight at an inner keep, we’ll go join or we might hit one of the keeps while the other 2 servers are occupied. BB do the same, AG dont.
I genuinely believe you have the numbers and ability to win its just a failing in tactics and strategy.

@KrisHQ
The T3 stuff we (and other gandaran guild) have been ninjaing off you have been on your map while you had your entire population (enough to fill up a bl or not far off) defending some other point.
Not much point in holding Bay against a massive BB zerg if you lose your 2 northern towers and hills to 10 man gandaran groups.
This is what i mean by you wasting resources – you have the numbers on the map to make it kitten hard to take stuff off you but you waste them on one point, making it stupidly easy to take everything else off you at times.
I wouldn’t mention it if it didn’t happen so often, every server loses stuff to ninja attacks, it happens but you do it more often than you should. BB make it kitten hard to take stuff of them, we try and do the same (and i think generally we succeed). While you continue to make it so easy other servers will continue to focus you.
After all which would you take? A 3 hour siege with constant sieging, counter siegeing having to run back and forth for supply, starving them of supply and all that stuff or a 10 min ninja cap on a tower thats a bit out of the way from the main action?
Im not saying it to brag or be condenscending – we scout stuff / people afk in good places isn’t the kind of thing you’d be bothered to brag about.
Actually said the same thing at the start of the FSP match to one of the TUP guys – I thought you were just not bothering or were having server / guild issues or something but its been going on constantly the last 2 and half weeks.
Its the simple, boring, dirty tasks you guys are failing at and its costing you a massive number of points every day, sort that out and I’ll feel bad about your population issues (actually no i wont, i still wont care).

Bero.2193:

I’m going to clear this up once and for all about AG server. We are a PVE server FACT our pve community is huge our wvw one isn’t, some of the stuff you say is right @Caid but the fact remains our wvw coverage sucks compared to gandara and baruch, the only time we actually can be effective is when our guilds are running events and the blobs you see is us gathering everyone from all maps to help, because we don’t have the man power to cover everything. What you mostly see is our guys map hopping to try and cover a vast area and we do our best to make it seem that AG has a presence on all maps. I wish we ‘AG’ could attract our pve community into wvw but they don’t seem interested, so what your two servers see in reality is a small dedicated group in the grand scheme of things (wvw population) trying to hold and attack multiple areas. Yes you may see a blob from us but that is us gathering what we have available to stop you guys, as a wvw server I believe we do rather well for what we have in these tiers, but the fact remains we can’t cope with your numbers and coverage. P.S Blobs will happen deal with it no point moaning you only make yourself look like an idiot ’IT’S A GAME’ that is all

Ok … I get grumpy when people moan and make excuses as to why they’re losing : / … too grumpy, so sorry.
We’re actually the same, still get guys hopping into wvw for the first time having been playing the game since beta. Still get lousy turnout when pve events show up.
I just dont think your that far behind us really … and i dont think population is the thing thats holding you back. It would help obviously but theres areas you can improve the same as us, some easier to address than others.
Just … dont throw the towel in with posts about how you cant compete with us because of x or ill be forced to post a grumpy rant again, lol

Whining about numbers is a total cop out. For a start I dont think you have a smaller wvw population.
Even if you do theres ALWAYS room for improvement, if your getting beaten then work on an area of weakness as a server (you have some believe it or not) instead of saying ‘oh boo hoo, they have more people than us, we might as well give up and not try’.
Sorry but your losing this match up because you keep giving T3 stuff away without anyone coming to stop us. If you do stop us, you do a kitten job repairing the damage and we have a 20% gate to get through the second time we try.
You send silly numbers to wipe a small group attacking a tower when half the number would be more than sufficient to get the job done. You dont seem to make any attempt whatsoever to find out whats causing the white swords on stuff you own.
Half the times we’ve been caught trying to ninja stuff it was by a guy randomly passing by as opposed to coming over to find out why theres been white swords on hills for the past 20 mins (or at least thats how it seemed). Half the times when we’ve been spotted trying to ninja stuff no one shows up to stop us, we can be spotted with outer whatever at 50% and we’ll have inner at 5% before you bother showing up, leaving you a massive amount of repairing to do and costing you all your siege on outer.
Theres a lot of reasons your losing this match up, wvw population isn’t one of them.

kribre.9683:

Now how’s the queue on Gandara?

Q on gandara bl and eb, both short (5 mins at most).
I logged on about 9.30 ish on saturday and we had the outmanned buff on ag and bb bl.
If theres a difference (at primetime) its not significant.

Honestly I think largely speaking ag are good players. But i think you make poor use of your resources (player / guild wise), i think thats why your in 3rd place.

Haltair.3062:

Do you think that Baruch runs with less lowies in average?

I’d say you run with more than most actually, pretty hard to tell with a lot of the groups on each map though.
Just a sea of red names : /

Think ag has much the same population as the other two servers actually and yes you have a strong nightcap, not BB strong but stronger than most. Your population might be smaller but not drastically or even noticably smaller, afraid you’ll have to find a better excuse