Guild Wars 2

I think you guys may be jumping the gun a bit.

What I understand it to mean is they want it so you won’t need Fast Hands to be viable, not that they’re taking FH away. This would be unequivocally good. If you still want 5s weapon swaps, then it will be a choice rather than a necessity, and you’ll only need to pick up Discipline as before.

We’ll eventually see what they’ve actually cooked up when it’s released, but I see zero reason to be worried about this. Also, this is a balance patch, not a complete redesign of warrior. They’d let us know if they were planning on redesigning the warrior from the ground up in advance and, frankly, it’s almost a certainty that they aren’t going to do that.

For realz… for you, for me, for all of us.

mPascoal.4258:

Well not needing Fast Hands would be great, but I still think making it baseline would fir the class much better, and would reduce a lot of the work, because let be real. most players only use Discipline because of it (and Warrior’s Sprint)

And seeing that they are looking into Rifle makes me think that even without Fast Hands, if the Rifle becomes good a lot of people will still play that line because Right with the traits is just in a “allright” spot, without it it’s unplayable.

They could change the trait (maintain the CD reduction, and add some bonus to rifle skills) and make Rifle pierce on it’s own, this would be great too

I’ll take my wins where I can get ‘em… To be fair though, while I agree making FH would be easier, I’m not going to argue if they’re going to put in the work to make the other route work.

In principle, the result might even be better if we can be completely viable camping a single weapon. That in and of itself would contribute to greater diversity among warriors by making the weapons themselves more meaningful than what they can do for a burst on another set.

Also, fwiw, I think Discipline is a really strong traitline even if you ignore Fast Hands and Warrior’s Sprint. Brawlers Recovery and DotE are very good, and Heightened Focus is also excellent. Burst Mastery, though not one of my favourite, is still better than more than half of our Grandmasters. I don’t expect I’ll drop Discipline even if FH is no longer required…. though I like that I might be able to if something looks better.

ugrakarma.9416:

when using warrior greatsword skill #3, sometimes at the end of turn he is giving blows with the greatsword to the side, usually right. anyone else seen this? dont have pic yet, cuz its seems little random.

I don’t understand what you mean. We’re talking about something that’s happening when Whirlwind Attack ends, right? I’m not sure what you mean after that.

Thuggernaut.1250:

Juba.8406:

lets wait and see, hope they read what we wrote here.

I hope so too. The language suggests to me that they’ve mostly altered skills, rather than traits. I hope I’m wrong, because the poor placement of traits in the specialization lines has caused half the problems that Warrior faces.

Tbh, they could somewhat reduce the need to deal with trait placement by dealing with just the weapon skills. For example, where they say they want to improve what can be done with a single weapon, it tells me they’re looking to reduce the necessity of Fast Hands, which is great. That, in turn, could free up an entire traitline for those builds that would do better with something other than discipline.

I’m not sure what they have in mind for improved sustain, but it’s good to see it on there. That, too, might reduce the pressure to take something like Defense or the more defensive options in Berserker. I find it’s the presence of practically mandatory traits that really hampers us in the trait department (though not exclusively, I realize).

Frankly, I think they hit most of the key issues we’ve been raising on this forum, which makes me hope they’ve been listening. Even if they don’t pull off a resounding success, I’m appreciative of that fact alone and hopeful that the changes will at least improve upon where we are today.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Wall of text hits you for 10,000 damage.

If you broke your burst up into paragraphs the burst damage number wouldn’t be so noticeable, not so unlike killshot -_-u

Paragraphing would have also ensured it wasn’t entirely blocked by my Forum Aegis.

Oh sure, leave us in suspense. In any case, we all know what the warrior needs….

Give us Powerthirst and Powerthirst Redomination and problem solved. We’ll be running like Kenyans in no time.

EDIT: Now that I’ve seen everything, is the idea just to recreate gw1 warrior’s separate energy and adren resources? And, if so, would adren in this case basically function like the thief’s initiative?

@Harper
I understand not agreeing with someone, but what’s with the aggression, man?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyLdtG7KZvw

Did he urinate on your rug or something?

TheBravery.9615:

Increasing our base vitality as a fix is about as effective as trying to fix a leaky bath tub by adding more water in it. It’s a lazy fix and its not going to solve our lack of sustain. Check out my suggestions here, im hoping more people read it, but it seems that is going unnoticed.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/warrior/Complete-remake-skills-utility-traits

If you’re not getting as much response to your efforts as you’d hoped, there’s a good chance it’s for the following reasons:

1. There have been a number of similar efforts made in the last few months
2. A complete work over as you’ve done requires more effort for people responding
3. Anet’s never given these sorts of efforts, though good and laudable, much attention

So the effort starts to feel a bit futile, and a lot of people who would normally respond probably have some “been there, done that” fatigue at this point.

Nevertheless, it’s good that you put in the effort and I hope you aren’t too disappointed by the tepid response.

Doon.2364:

Choppy.4183:

Doon.2364:

We should also make Warriors gain Defiant Stance when entering Berserker mode. It would really solve our sustain issue in group fights.

That would only make Berserker another mandatory traitline. Whatever the solution, it really shouldn’t be located on a single traitline.

Which is the case for basically every profession. Elite spec is mandatory for today’s meta.

Well, doubling down on a the wrong route doesn’t make it right. Moreover warriors are already locked into another traitline and a half.

Doon.2364:

We should also make Warriors gain Defiant Stance when entering Berserker mode. It would really solve our sustain issue in group fights.

That would only make Berserker another mandatory traitline. Whatever the solution, it really shouldn’t be located on a single traitline.

No changes yet. You can always just keep an eye on the release notes page for changes to the game, class, etc.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/updates

Eldoris.6798:

I’m doing most roaming PVE. I rarely do groups unless it’s a random for a dungeon.

Then I don’t think it matters that much, tbh. The vulnerability isn’t going to be that important, so go with whatever you find to be the most fun. If that’s rifle, great. If not, then any other weapon will do.

Yeah, but Necros have no real escape options, so they really need that extra health. It’s part of their concept.

I don’t think making us more of a damage sponge through health is the way to go though, tbh. Gear can already push our health well over +50% over base, but it seems like a losing proposition. An extra 10k health just won’t go that far to solving our issues, I don’t think.

Imo, having greater ability to deliver our damage (e.g. better gap closers, ability to ignore/shed enemy mitigation, adjusted attack speeds/telegraphs, etc) and better mitigation for ourselves is what’s needed.

Eldoris.6798:

Do you think I’m making a mistake going rifle as secondary for the 12 second vul. Bonus? I was thinking OH mace for the 8 sec, but the synergy in the skills doesn’t work as well, though I can get the increased movement speed, I can’t get the mace bonus or axe MH bonus if I spec for GS. With rifle, I can get rifle/spear gun bonus, shoot, get my 12 seconds, charge, HB, and it seems to work together. Or am I losing a big ability giving up my 25% run speed?

What is it that you’re trying to achieve, or rather, where are you using this build? It seems like pve, but do you anticipate lots of mobs or just single targets? Will you mostly be on your own or with other allies?

darkaheart.4265:

Since WvW is dying, I have been playing PvP unranked and this is what im running
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQJARSjMdQnHW2BehAnIG2CqsCi6OA/7AI01Yo0HAA-TpxHABffBAA4IAcdZAxeAAhv/gAHCAA

the key is to try to break stun as soon as you get the chance with SiO
(+3536 health and +1000 defense)
sometimes youre blessed with shrug it off and break stun with it too
bulls charged with hammer>swap to gs>hb, interrupt or escape
priority to use EP as a breakstun between 35%-50% health

Not sure if you have HoT or not, but it might provide a slight upgrade for your build:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQJARSnMdAlkildAehAEliltAD5vFACdvb2O7oVJGU6GAA-TpxHABXXGI89HE4QA89kittenjAgYPAAA

Slightly worse condi management, but more damage, stun breaks, and cc. For more survivability, you could take Dead or Alive over Blood Reaction, which would give you more healing than your shouts currently give you and you’d still do more damage, I think.

That said, I’m glad I’m not the only one still playing base warrior….

I lock it to range like Juba, but prefer having ground targeting occur upon release (especially for GS3, so I can track a target). Try both out and see what you like best.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Recorded this 2 nights ago.

At 1:53 you’ll see me preposition then let my toon free face. When I hit whirlwind, tapping the button in quick succession, despite the directional facing down the slope the animation travels horizontally.

https://youtu.be/Mj0ZvV0x_SA?t=101

Yes I knew where he’d placed the traps the entire fight. The whole thing just went stupidly XD

I can’t see your mouse cursor there, but it looks like your footage doesn’t show what the OP is describing. You have a clear ground target that’s pointing in a different direction than where you traveled.

I understand the OP to be saying he can’t use Whirlwind unless his mouse is pointing at the ground. Iirc, you don’t even get the ground target if you’re not pointing at the ground.

I kind of think he used to mouse click the skill and now he isn’t, because mouse clicking does shoot you off in the direction you were travelling.

Whirlwind has worked that way as long as I can remember, tbh. I think skill clicking with your mouse will still send you forward, but I haven’t tried that in a while. I suggest you change the settings for how ground targeted skills work though, so you don’t have to double tap.

As for Flurry, yeah, it can suck, but just bind stow weapon to a convenient key. First, it will always break Flurry so you can make better use of the immobilize than the full channel. Second, using stow weapon is a great way to bait out dodges when you’re using other skills like Killshot/Gunflame, so you should work it in anyway.

@Spell
You should always bring enough defense to keep yourself on your feat and fighting, so your decision to move towards Soldiers makes sense if you were getting downed a lot.

That said, one of the good things about this build is the mobility, dodges, block, and invulns make it possible to skirmish or even line burst like a shock trooper pretty well. Even in a group fight, I’m often the guy that drives into a cluster and applying enough pressure to create chaos, shifting focus to me, and allowing allies to move in behind to take advantage of the broken line as I recede back behind them. I like to use Death From Above to help with this wherever possible too.

The point being, is there’s a way to play the build in full zerk and still be super useful in a group fight. And in smaller skirmishes, you can be a real force to be reckoned with.

Anyway, have you moved to DH or are you still on EB?

Bloodlust would be better, given how high your crit chance is already. Air too, I think. That said, I’d personally put energy on one of your sets.

I also use intelligence on my sword to ensure those really high, post-might stacking gs, cleaving Final Thrusts….

On-block effects, such as the regen/heal on Defender runes, as well as Guardian runes, etc. aren’t proccing on warrior block skills vs projectiles when Shield Master is traited.

For example:
https://youtu.be/qTekd7eVb6A?t=8m15s

I don’t know if this is due to the block being reclassified as a reflect, but it’s inconsistent with the might on block associated with the trait (which is granted on projectile reflection) and how the unblockable effect is handled (which pierces the block).

@Tien
As for your question about rune vs trait, I think the rune would be the questionable choice assuming no bug.

As I understand it, the rune gives 2s of regen per hit. Using zerk gear and so only the HP from the runes, that’s about 300 health per projectile. That benefit would be stacked against:

• 1 stack of might (not a huge deal, but still 30 power/condi damage for a while)
• -20% cd on the shield block skill (note: the reflect/might applies to other blocks too)
• the reflected damage of the attack (frequently in the thousands)
• the reflected effect of the attack

On the last point, I’ve been stealthed by projectiles I’ve reflected, knocked people back, generated a clone, immobilized, and pierced, which in a mob fight can do crazy damage. That’s worth so much more than 300 health.

The math seems to work out well. I’d trust the meta build you linked earlier, which had mostly Viper gear and some Sinisters to get it right.

The key thing is to make sure you don’t have too much condi duration bonus, as you can’t go over +100% for any condi. It’s very easy to overtrait by way of full Vipers, runes, sigils, and traits, so be careful.

Huh, well that’s a big negative for Defender runes, imo. I’d much rather have reflect for projectiles and might on every attack then 2s of regen on every attack, and regen for just the melee attacks doesn’t seem that amazing either.

Don’t get me wrong, it still looks like a decent rune choice. But it doesn’t look as great as I thought it did.

I run full berserker gear, use strength runes, don’t use a cleansing sigil anymore, and it works great.

I regularly kill even condi reapers due to the 16 seconds of immunity I get from the traited Berserker stance and the HS active. I don’t think that would be as likely if I had less killing power, which would render the extra vitality from Mauraders and condi mitigation from Hoelbrak counterproductive. (Might be possible though, I haven’t run it).

Plus, all those dodges, your shield block, gs evade, and mobility skills give you lots of opportunity to mitigate damage, along with EP for direct damage, of course.

I also recommend taking Defy Pain over Armored Attack with your build. The extra EP plus the extra 6s of Vigor you get from Last Stand is more valuable, imo.

Tien.3865:

Choppy.4183:

Has anyone else noticed an ICD on the regen provided by Defnder Rune 2 when blocking an attack?

Cryorion’s clearly not getting the regen as per the above link, and the wiki says there isn’t supposed to be an ICD. Tbh, if there is one, the rune becomes waaaay less interesting, imo.

In the clip you linked, he didn’t block anything. He dodged the Guardian’s AOE downed skill (you can see the “Evade!” messages) and then he reflected the ranger’s projectiles. Projectiles don’t count as blocks; it’s always been that way.

In the Druid fight I linked, his reflect is from the traited Shield 5. Two things about this, if you’re right and reflects don’t count as blocks, including blocks converted to reflects through the Shield Master trait.

1. The runes are a bad route. The trait is way more valuable than the regen, and thus Tempest Runes become more valuable than Defender runes if you’re looking for sustain. True, the regen would still apply to melee attacks, but its the projectiles that are the really important bit.
2. All these unblockable skills should no longer defeat Shield Mastery, which they currently do.

Also, I’m not sure if your comment about projectiles and block referred to the reflect, or a general point that blocked projectiles don’t ever count as blocks. If the latter, that isn’t the case.

According to the wiki, blocks work against attacks, which includes projectiles. Moreover, “Blocking targets destroy all projectiles they come in contact with – this means projectiles with Pierce, or projectiles that don’t directly do attacks (e.g. Infiltrator’s Arrow) can be effectively bodyblocked by a target who’s blocking.” And a simple test shows that block skills stop projectiles.

Finally, the description of Shield Master in the wiki is, “Shield Master — Reflect missiles whenever you are blocking. Gain might when you block an attack. Shield skills recharge faster.” So here too, it appears that projectiles are intended to be and count as blockable.

Frankly, the Shield Master description suggests to me that, if the rune regen isn’t triggering from traited blocks, it’s a bug rather then the intent. If that’s the case, I’m far less interested in the runes until fixed.

Can anyone with the runes confirm that projectiles don’t trigger the regen when Shield Master is traited?

cryorion.9532:

Choppy.4183:

Were you definitely using Defender Runes in all of that footage. Several times it seemed like you weren’t getting the regen you should have for blocking attacks. For example….

https://youtu.be/qTekd7eVb6A?t=8m15s

Yes, 100% sure (you can see that I get 4k heal when I block – 6th bonus of the rune – in the last fight). When I look at the rune on wiki, there should not be any internal cd… which is strange. But you know anet… if skills like eviscerate are still affected by cripple or chill because “they forgot”, I am not even surprised…

Has anyone else noticed an ICD on the regen provided by Defnder Rune 2 when blocking an attack?

Cryorion’s clearly not getting the regen as per the above link, and the wiki says there isn’t supposed to be an ICD. Tbh, if there is one, the rune becomes waaaay less interesting, imo.

I’ve noticed it consistently since Vaans’ video, tbh.

The best guess I’ve heard so far is chalking it up to lag. I’m not sure exactly how the game keeps track of time, but if your actions and the actions of your opponents are time stamped when initiated and mediated through the server, it could be that the activation of the stances sometimes occurs later than when opponents initiated their skills.

Lag on either your connection to the server or theirs could thus make it appear that hits are getting through just after you used your stance (because technically they hit first, even if it doesn’t play out that way).

Don’t know if that’s it, but yes, Endure Pain in particular (due to its short duration) isn’t totally reliable.

cryorion.9532:

I tried this build with slight sigil variation on weapons and I have to say, that it’s really good build with probably the best sustain warrior can get with berserker gear.
It can’t kill everything, but I am tired of gunflaming everything around :P

I made montage with some interesting fights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTekd7eVb6A

Shame that it is doable only in wvw as the rune is not available in pvp.
Anyway, thanks for your effort!

Were you definitely using Defender Runes in all of that footage. Several times it seemed like you weren’t getting the regen you should have for blocking attacks. For example….

https://youtu.be/qTekd7eVb6A?t=8m15s

cryorion.9532:

I tried this build with slight sigil variation on weapons and I have to say, that it’s really good build with probably the best sustain warrior can get with berserker gear.
It can’t kill everything, but I am tired of gunflaming everything around :P

I made montage with some interesting fights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTekd7eVb6A

Shame that it is doable only in wvw as the rune is not available in pvp.
Anyway, thanks for your effort!

Were you definitely using Defender Runes in all of that footage. Several times it seemed like you weren’t getting the regen you should have for blocking attacks. For example….

https://youtu.be/qTekd7eVb6A?t=8m15s

Nefariis.4135:

Definitely no adren problems, actually part of the reason Im in Disc is for Versatile Power to lower my Burst CD – right now I feel like I am waiting to long with a full bar.

My thought behind Blademaster was the “1” skills, I was looking at it as a perma quickness buff. Are those strikes not affected by it?

And huh, I thought you were the one to bring up Traveler’s – I must have misread trailblazer into traveler runes – my bad. No, I would rather use damage/condi runes over Traveler’s.

Do you see any need for soldier crests?

Blademaster doesn’t affect attack speed at all, actually:

“Sword skills have an increased critical-hit chance (+20%) against bleeding foes. Reduces recharge on sword skills (-20%).”

Auto attacks don’t have a recharge period at all, so they get nothing. It knocks 1.6s off of the Savage Leap cooldown, and 3s off of Final Thrust, iirc.

And yeah, closest thing I would have said to Travellers was a suggestion to work in some Trailblazer gear, but I don’t think it’s worth it, tbh, unless you permanently settle on the build and want to look into optimizing it to be as good as it can be.

My suggestions were Krait, Nightmare, or Berserker runes.

The reason for Berserker’s Fury is to keep pushing your adren up and to pair with Deep Strike, and recognition that you don’t need the precision stacks nor the unblockable buff from Signet Mastery for your build.

But you’re right, if you’re getting perma Fury anyway and your adren generation is already fine, then Signet Mastery’s the way to go.

Not Blademaster though. First, you’re already approaching 100% crit chance with your build without the buff. Second, the only skill that really benefits from the cd reduction is Final Thrust, and you’re not a power-centric build. Deep Strike for its +150 condi damage on all your Fury is way better for your condi build.

I still think the other traitlines would do so much more for you than Strength, and encourage you to try them out.

As for the runes, yes they just stack. But why would you want those over the ones that will really pump your damage?

To be fair, as far as cheese goes, going for a low-profile Asuran to conceal warrior animations is Velveeta. Meaning, it’s not real cheese.

The standard character models is a good thing to note, but it cuts the other way too. I personally rock a Super Greatsword, and that would just mean they don’t see the lethal light show I’ve put together for their funeral…

To the OP, you’ve got some good suggestions here in terms of concealing your skills if that’s something you want to do. If not, then it’s just whatever looks the most awesome to you. Good luck!

Well, sticking strictly with that build, I’d say Krait, Nightmare, or Berserker are probably your best bets for runes.

In terms of sigils, I’d put an Agony sigil on your sword set and a Smoldering sigil on your bow. Sigil of Earth and Strength are both good candidates for the second slot on your sword set, though if you find yourself on your bow a lot, I’d put the Strength on it and the Earth on your sword set. The Earth sigil will tie nicely to the Agony sigil, and might helps both your condi and power damage.

Going beyond that, I imagine you’re in Strength to get Axe Mastery. If you’re open to suggestions, I recommend you drop it in favour of Defense, Tactics or (best if you have it) Berserker.

Both Defense and Berserker can help you stay up and fighting longer, both will allow you to drop those fire fields way more often, and they just bring you so much more than you’re going to get out of the Strength line for your particular build, imo.

Tactics would give you a burn on your bow auto and access to Phalanx Strength (which your party will appreciate), but you’re not built to take maximum advantage of PS, so I’d suggest the other two for this particular build.

In terms of Arms, I think you should be in Berserker’s Fury, Deep Strike and Furious. Though it pains me to not recommend the truly fantastic Signet Mastery trait, the other traits are better for what you’re trying to do and the gear you’ve chosen.

I also think you’re over invested in Precision/Crit Chance, meaning you’ll get more mileage moving away from your precision focus in favour of something else. It sounds like you just bought/crafted your Rampagers gear, and that’s not wrong. But consider shifting some of your trinkets toward Carrion or Trailblazer’s over time when you’re ready. Alternatively, leave your gear as it is and eventually start exploring other builds and using your resources to gear those alternative builds (this one’s probably better than trying to optimize the gear for your current build).

Finally, it should be noted that you’re not running a fully optimized build/weapon comp, which is totally fine as long as you find it fun. The downside is you could get some hate or even kicked from teams unless you really just run with friends or are running at a low fractal level. I mention this only so you’re not caught off guard if/when it happens, not so you feel compelled to play something less fun.

(Note: There are much more knowledgeable people here than me when it comes to fractals (I’m more wvw), but the above should do in a pinch)

Can you describe the content you’re playing? For example, are you still leveling, doing casual pve, dungeons and fractals, wvw, something else? And is there a particular concept or playstyle you’re going for?

Finally, am I right in assuming you’re running a bow as your alt set and working a rotation that goes something like, “Combustive Shot→Arcing Arrow→Axe 5”?

Pfft… you’re not playing a mesmer here, Ross, you can’t just break rules and do whatever you want…. XD

Good luck with it, and please report back once you’ve run it through the paces. Video would be even better, if you can swing it. I don’t personally know how I’d run a build like this, but it’s always good to see and learn new approaches.

On a build note, have you considered running Tempest over Dolyak runes? If you expect a lot of +1 fights and incoming stuns, then it would synergize well with Rousing Resilience.

While I understand the frustration, I continue to play the game because I still find it fun. I don’t envision quitting to make a statement that wouldn’t really register, and I could always play one of the many other classes if I just couldn’t make it work with the warrior.

I hope you can still find fun in the game though because, honestly, a game that’s no fun is a game you probably shouldn’t be playing. Fun is the whole reason to play.

Tristan.5280:

Yes, but Warrior needs more sustain, atm. Try the Indistructible Berseker of Cygnus n pvp

You can only run Cygnus’ build in wvw or pve. Defender runes, which are key to making that build work, aren’t available in pvp. On a related note, I’ve seen very good hybrid builds running those runes along with Viper gear as well.

To the OP, it’s just that there’s always a better choice than warrior for just about anything you’d want to do in pvp. That, combined with the high number of builds that can out sustain and/or out damage just about any warrior build has led a lot of people to switch to the better alternatives.

Plus, you can get a lot of hate from your team for running a warrior, apparently.

Doesn’t unranked work for those? You can still get wins on a warrior through unranked or low level matchups.

Yup, that’s a good build to strive for. You’ll ultimately need to get your crafting up , but in the interim I guess you could buy some Carrion gear (condi-power-vitality). Good luck!

If you have HoT, I recommend going with condi (as you mentioned) but kicking it up to hybrid if you can. Rather than Sinister, look to the new Viper set.

With it and good rune/sigil choice, you’ll be able to get respectable condi damage and direct damage, as well as +100% duration for both burning and bleeds.

As I understand it, you can get big targets to take the burn from two hitboxes of the longbow primal burst (the burst when in the berserker primal state), and that wracks up some major burn damage as you spam it over and over.

While I typically run full berserker gear for my warrior (in wvw), I understand that direct damage has less value in the new endgame pve compared to condi. So take both and laugh your way to bags of loot.

Do you just want to keep doing general pve, dungeons and fractals, HoT pve, raids, or wvw?

mPascoal.4258:

Ovalkvadratcylinder.9365:

mPascoal.4258:

Ovalkvadratcylinder.9365:

I’m by no means an expert on warrior. Tbh I havent rly played it before. However, I duelled a warrior using hammer/GS the other week on my scrapper and it was rly hard to get a grip of the fight against him.
From a scrapper point of view it seems like a rly hard build to play against.

:D

Either the Warrior was really really good or you just don’t play Scrapper that well, because no Scrapper build should have a problem vs Warrior in this current meta

I’m not a wonder at scrapper either so it’s prob a bit of both ;P This was in wvw so I’m not sure what gear the warrior used. But it looked fun!

Most likely full Berserker with Strength runes
Warrior for WvW raoming is on a point that is either you kill fast or die fast (no matter what) so ppl tend to run super squishy specs that do kitten loads of damage

Most scrapper builds don’t play to gs/h warriors either. Though, if you’re kiting, using your stealth and bulwark gyros, and then engaging when you’re ready, you should win. I’ve found moderate success against scrappers using rifle where I could maintain ranged pressure against kiting and through blocks.

It’s not like how it used to be. You’ll find it harder to stun lock with all the evades, blocks, and stunbreakers out there, and you’ll be largely defenseless against the many ranged threats (condi, direct, stuns) flying around.

But give it a try and see if it still works for you. If not, consider running a GreatAxe build or a Sw+Sh/Gs. The shield is pretty clutch, imo.

Cygnus.6903:

@Choppy; I don’t know about server hopping, kind of like Piken. And isn’t Ehmry a US server?

Yeah, it’s NA so I suppose it won’t work out. Sad pumpkins.

Yeah, I feel you. Dueling some Druid builds can be frustrating with all of that sustain while they still deal pretty respectable damage, or now Chronomancers and Scrappers with all that protection, other boons, stealth, blocks, etc. Or, as you say, fighting a Rev/Herald of equal or greater skill.

In all of those fights though, I think being able to strip out their defenses would be better than straight up damage increases. In fact, I don’t know why that couldn’t be an amazing theme for the warrior generally…. tearing through defenses (the “boon hate” that some people have been calling for).

As an example, as a way to help invigorate hammer, mace, and physicals, imagine a trait that stripped a boon with each cc that went into effect before the hit (i.e. would randomly strip stability, aegis, protection, etc before the damage and cc was applied). It wouldn’t be game breaking given our cooldowns vs the frequency of boon application, but it would be a much needed power boost. Or perhaps another trait called something like “Intimidating Presence” that suppressed boon application or duration within a radius and through some interaction with our adrenaline (e.g. for period upon use like Berserker’s Power or based on amount of adren stored like Adrenal Health).

I’d much rather have that than increases to our damage numbers. Our threat to heavy boon builds would be real (it’s not high now), which is one area where we need it, but we’d also bring much more team utility than a straight up personal damage boost. In fact, the boon hate would also help our defense in that it would mitigate all the might and fury flying around, which I, admittedly, use to great effect myself.

But yeah, I feel the frustration and recognize some love for the class is in order.

Fwiw, I main a warrior in wvw and Daredevils appear to have given thieves a much deserved power boost. Tbh, it’s pretty hard to counter a DD as a melee warrior if the DD is played well, but it still doesn’t seem overpowered.

Frankly, I’m glad you got it and sad that base thief doesn’t have more viability.

infinityandbeyond.9652:

Choppy.4183:

Cygnus.6903:

Roaming is still boring as ever. WvW was broken by Anet with the introduction of HoT.

Bah, you should move to Ehmry and roam with me! The fun lives, even for warrior.

Hey Choppy,

A few of us just moved to EB so i’ll see you around i guess

Are you in a guild? I’ll send you a message in-game.

Snarl.

Haha, I thought I saw you rolling around the other day. Yeah, I’m normally running the ICEE tag. Welcome to Ehmry!

FatRaKoon.1782:

I agree that they should separate PvE/PvP when making balance updates, because warrior (berserker) is already pretty OP in PvE right now.

But we definitely need more direct damage in PvP, and whoever says the contrary didn’t seriously play warrior recently (not talking about hotjoin).

I honestly don’t think it’s more damage that’s required, and I don’t think they could easily deal with warrior problems in pvp through damage boosts without pushing them over the line in wvw and especially in pve.

Seems to me making our damage easier to land against real people (meaning, enemies who dodge) would be a better way to increase dps and threat level without making the warrior nuts in pve. That could include fixing our gap closers, reducing telegraphs, and improving sustain to keep us in fights longer.

I say this because, no joke, when I connect I hit like a truck. I’m also cognizant of the multiplier effect at work in group fights (which becomes nuts in wvw in particular).