Guild Wars 2

Sadly, Saturn is also sold out.

Bummer. The tickets to Gamescom are all sold out

Agree – the build diversity is far superior to GW2. The perspective is a bit odd unless you’re used to that sort of game, but it doesn’t take long to realize that it’s as good as what you’re used to.

Honestly, only GW1 has better build diversity. I miss that terribly.

Mea.5491:

“As a GW1 player; What I found missing.”

SKILLS.

Seriously. That very thing is what made GW1 so great.

GW2 is to GW1 as ‘The Blues Brothers 2000’ is to ‘The Blues Brothers.’ Sort of related in a flashier, louder, but lazier and shallower way.

The biggest turnoff about this game is the fact that you can buy anything in it for cash money by this gem/gold conversion.

That is pay to win, period.

Azrael.4960:

Have you considered using your ring finger instead?

Sadly, both of those fingers’ tendons run to the same point in the elbow…

Changing the bind without being able to change the order makes for a very, very UN-intuitive interface. I agree with the OP – it’s absolutely maddening to be stuck with the same order. I’ve never played a game where I couldn’t move my skills around.

It’s simple – why not be able to go to your Weapon Skills page of your Hero panel and rearrange them?

Related to this: for Right-Handed players, the “1” key is pressed by the weakest fingers of the hand. Since spamming the the “1” key is so essential to GW2 gameplay, it has started to actually cause tendon pain in my elbow.

Easy solution: be able to move most-used skills to the “4” or “5” key where the stronger fingers are. And don’t tell me I can just “remap”. Of course I can, but then the skill icons on my UI make no sense with respect to my keyboard.

What’s the only game I can’t do that with? GW2

So what do I do? Play something else so my elbow doesn’t hurt. All because in those other games, I can simply move my skills around my bar.

Seth.1308:

I trust that ANet can make an interesting expansion pack without having to resort to adding a pointless level/gear gate on the content.

I don’t. They didn’t do that with the initial launch.

I’d hope they learned from the Ascended debacle. We shall see.

More tiers, or more levels, and I will most certainly NOT buy any xpac. There are other games that do treadmills – I liked GW because it didn’t have one.

xDudisx.5914:

Sirendor.1394:

Who wants levels going back to 20? ~a million hands raised~
Who wants level cap to be raised? ~people throw bricks~

I doubt you have any data to prove that supposition.

No data – but I would actually play this game more if they did that. As it is:

80 levels is already too much. It kills the soul, thinking about leveling alts.

I actually think I’ve played far less of GW2 for that very reason. Alts were easy and fun in Guild Wars, and I put thousands upon thousands of hours into playing them.

In GW2, if I get tired of playing, I consider making an alt, think about the 80 levels of dreariness that is the personal story and hearts, and log off to play something else.

I honestly wish they’d do some kind of stat squish and reduce the total number of levels. I’d play more.

Of all the development mistakes ArenaNet made with GW2, 80 levels at launch was the biggest one, in my opinion. Even bigger than the Ascended debacle.

God, no. 80 levels were 60 too many. So completely demotivating for alts…

I’m pretty sure they make most of their money selling gems for gold, not items.

chaosdeity.6287:

An Idea:

Since so many of the gw1 fanbase lost faith in anet and they jumped ship and left, do you think as a sign of good faith offering returning players a discount (with linked HoM)?

I think it would be a great PR campaign for them to regain some lost momentum with their veteran fanbase.

“Had gw1? Had gw2 and wasnt happy? Well we didnt forget about you! Get new Cantha expansion 15% off because Anet loves you and we want one more chance, baby!”

Honestly, I’d rather just see them start completely over with a new game than try and revamp this one.

Azala Yar.7693:

Chuo.4238:

I’d rather pay a sub for a quality game than be ‘monetized’. If it lets devs focus on good content instead of cash shop funnels.

Why? I want my free time to be fun.

Why else? 15 bucks a month is literally pocket change per day. Far less than most people pay for cable/bar tabs/movies/you name it each month.

Paying a subscription doesn’t mean you will get a better product.

It really comes down to how a company invests their capital/resources. From what I’ve seen the MMO industry isn’t doing very well and haven’t been for sometime. It seems a very stagnant market especially in terms of ideas and execution of those ideas into the existing products.

I agree that a sub does not necessarily mean you’re getting a good product. From what I’ve seen, however, there are a few pretty good sub games out there.

The GW2 cash shop is generally annoying, allows you to buy gold (fail!), and rarely has anything interesting in it. Yet the game revolves around it. As with the later years of Guild Wars, I’d be happy to log on and buy costumes, or minipets, and the like. But certainly not gold or gear.

And I’d certainly pay a sub to play a true, well-developed sequel to Guild Wars, and not have to think about a ridiculous cash shop. I’d buy the occasional costume or minipet then, too. And Xpacs. And on and on.

I’d rather pay a sub for a quality game than be ‘monetized’. If it lets devs focus on good content instead of cash shop funnels.

Why? I want my free time to be fun.

Why else? 15 bucks a month is literally pocket change per day. Far less than most people pay for cable/bar tabs/movies/you name it each month.

Eiposu no Tenshi.5079:

Chuo.4238:

Instead of GW2 with Cantha, can we start over with a completely new game: Guld Wars Factions 2? And make it the real sequel to Guild Wars?

I’m failing to see how this would be fundamentally any different than an expansion…

That’s the point. I’d rather see a new game more true to what Guild Wars is, than a GW2 expansion.

They just need to start over and actually make the amazing game they told us about during GW2 development.

Instead of GW2 with Cantha, can we start over with a completely new game: Guld Wars Factions 2? And make it the real sequel to Guild Wars?

Interesting thread, but I’ve little confidence that anything significant will be improved. I think I log in now about once every 2-3 months, play for an hour, and realize that fundamentally, nothing has changed. Basically, GW2 is just not fun.

Why do I keep trying? I loved Guild Wars more than anything else I’ve played. I keep hoping that ArenaNet will get back to trying to make a fun game instead of trying to annoy players into buying gems. I’d happily pay money for something fun. I’m playing a subscribtion game right now because the game is fun, and the writing is good, and the studio doesn’t seem to feel the need to shove a cash shop in my face – I can just play it and enjoy. Entertainment money well spent.

So yea. I’m playing other games now. I’ll keep logging on to GW2 from time to time, but if ArenaNet want me to stick around and spend money, I need to be having fun with it, not being constantly annoyed with it.

Annoying specifics are all over these forums. I don’t need to repeat them any more.

Gaile Gray.6029:

Alerno — Taking what you have (and everyone else has) put on the table I do wonder something. I want to ask, and hope nobody will bite my head off here.

You mention wanting to know there will be more to the game. The new and continuing episodes of the Living World count towards that, right? The fact that players know there’s a team working on new content and features, and that there are releases on a regular basis? I fully understand that may not fulfill every desire, but it does show a continuing commitment to “new stuff” for us players, wouldn’t you agree?

No. LW was a good idea, but the writing is weak and the content is basically repetitive. Moreover, if I log off for a few months, and then come back, I can’t replay anything I missed without dumping money into the cash shop. Honestly, the longer I stay logged off, the harder it is to log back on. Every time I do log on I’m met with disappointment and frustration because ANet have supposedly released "an xpac’s worth of content’ and I can’t play any of it!

I’d rather just buy a well-made xpac up front and be able to play/replay that content as much as I want, whenever I want.

In so, so many ways, LW is a very annoying turnoff. It’s the biggest reason why I just can’t play GW2 for more than a couple hours every quarter…

Too late, methinks. I would have bought an xpac. Not now. Too many other good things out there.

Not gonna happen. GvG is dead and buried in GW2.

Even if they implemented GvG, it’s far, far to late for it to have anything like the meaning it has in Guild Wars.

Crying shame, but there you have it. The world will never again see GvG as it was in the mid to late 2000’s.

narwhalsbend.7059:

But Gaile isn’t the “manager of Anet”.

She should be.

They can make it say what they want it to say. Without a clear statement of player numbers, the ‘Very High’ is meaningless.

mage.3570:

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

When suggestions pop up for things like “open world PvP” or “remove all waypoints, then add mounts” . . . no, I’m still going to respond with that statement. Because this game is clearly not the one they’re looking for.

But we get the same reactions when we request features in GW1 that are absolutely missing or lacking in GW2, such as more skills, templates, guild halls + battles, elite dungeons (8+ team), etc etc – things that made GW1 fun even 6+ years since it released. On the contrary, GW2 got stale after just 2 years!!!!

It didn’t take 2 years…it didn’t take even one year. What, fundamentally, has changed about this game since launch (aside from the Ascended debacle, that is)?

Nada…

Anyway, that’s a whole different topic. Back to it:

the OP is right, and I really agree with the person I’ve quoted.

If I buy ArcheAge, I don’t expect it to be anything like Guild Wars…but if I buy Guild Wars 2…well…I think some expectations are quite reasonable.

http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/09/16/raptr-shows-mmos-and-mobas-dominating-the-top-20-in-august

Looks like GW2 is way down to #12.
Can’t imagine why…

Vayne.8563:

You do realize you agreed with a post of mine? Just checking.

Yea – I can be openminded. Looks like you’re not completely satisfied with the kool-aid either. This should be worrying for ArenaNet.

Vayne.8563:

QFT. Anet takes a lot of flack for not delivering on things announced. But if Anet came out and said, clearly and front in center, that certain things are delayed or have been moved to the back burner, most reasonable fans would understand.

Anet not saying anything is pretty much Anet asking for trouble. The logic is simple.

If I tell my wife we’re probably going on vacation in June to Europe and I can’t make it, I probably should let her know before September. It would save me a lot of grief in the long run.

She might very well be disappointed if I came and told her I couldn’t get time off, or we couldn’t afford a vacation to Europe but she’s understand.

Put another way, I am super disappointed in the direction this game is going (and clearly I’m not alone).

ArenaNet, why would people like me stick around if you’re not giving me something to look forward to? Or do you not care if people like me stick around?

It seems to me that ArenaNet are booting their existing community in the hopes of replacing them with a new one. They’re doing almost nothing to address longtime criticisms – and when they do communicate, it’s largely platitudes and lip-service.

So at this point, I think it’s clear that they could give a rip about the community – they’re just going to try and make a new one.

Rather like they did with the original Guild Wars community…

OP is spot on. GW2 is nothing but a lazy, cheap, minimal effort way on the part of ArenaNet to part people from their money. Nothing wrong with business, and of course they need to make a profit, but they don’t even pretend anymore to be making a good product for it.

They’ve ridden the GW2 hype since it was announced when the EotN expansion to GW came out. But note that the GW2 they delivered is in NO WAY the GW2 they sold us.

I had hope that it was all just a case of poor, but innocent, mismanagement, and with all the feedback they’ve got about it, they’d eventually get GW2 back on track.

Yet all I see is more of the same, and the problem growing worse. I lost almost all my respect for ArenaNet in November 2012, and the rest has finally gone in September 2014 (shame on me for taking so long to see the light).

I don’t think ArenaNet care for quality at all. They’re just looking for the easiest way to get into your wallet.

I, for one, am quite happy to take my disposable income somewhere actually fun. I’m tired of this crap.

Thanks, OP – well said. It’s a crying shame that the only people listening are the playerbase.

Nurgle.6597:

Malkavian.4516:

Look, Super Adventure Box is a very popular game mode in GW2. It won’t be gone forever. They’ll bring it back eventually.

well until eventually comes, I and many more players will quit the game for good

No new dungeons, either. Forever, as far as I can tell.

This game is getting lamer and lamer. I don’t know what they’re thinking at ArenaNet. It certainly isn’t about making a fun game.

I think it’s more about annoying players into spending money on gems.

That video almost makes me want to cry.

Oh, had they but made the game they said they were making!

RiverSong.5067:

Making alts is a whole playstyle. Calling them “pointless and annoying” is self centered and false.

Many players feel the need to shop around before settling on a main. It has been referred to as altities. Some people find what they like faster than others and many players like to explore other options after they cap max level.

I am sorry to say if you were trolling i fell for it 100%.

Not trolling at all. Am taking issue with how ANet minimize alts.

Seven Star Stalker.1740:

You guys completely forgot the Australian playerbase /o\

Here we go again…

Etien.4601:

AngelDiscarnate.5489:

For every person here whining and complaining about all the changes and how they feel this update blows donkey honkers, there are 10 satisfied players in the game playing.
;D
Just sayin’…
Not toast.

When you finish your first character and then perhaps your second; if you stick around long enough to try and make 3rd or 4th and so on..After you become veteran player, come back here and tell me how you feel abouit this change.
I bet 100% you’ll be singing a different song.

Been there, done that. Short answer: alts in GW2 are, and always have been, kittening pointless and annoying.

I suspect that, by this time, their code is so convoluted that they simply can’t anymore change one thing and not break other things.

It’s the only explanation I can come up with that doesn’t involve taking shots at their (lack of) QA.

Emtiarbi.3281:

Sorry, but i think you will see Cantha maybe in 2025

This game isn’t going to make it to 2025 if they don’t do something really really cool, really really soon. At the rate it’s going, GW2 will be mostly deserted in a year or two. Too many far more interesting things out there, with better writing and quality.

This game needs Cantha in all its Jade Sea and Echovald Forest glory, at full scale, or something similar. The existing model where they open up a zone every now and again and fill it with bad storylines and zergfest grinds just isn’t going to cut it much longer, methinks.

Get back to your roots, ArenaNet! You made something fantastically awesome (for all its flaws) back in 2005. Put that spirit back into GW2!

Now that the new September 2014 Feature Pack is out (ouch), and LS2 has got going (ugh)…is it now time to say that maybe a standalone xpac is what this game REALLY needs? With a whole new continent and such? Something big, fun, and interesting, and not just more of the same-old same-old?

Cantha, please! I’d be interested in a standalone xpac. I’m kind of over Living Story. Good idea, but yea. It’s just not as cool as it sounded. I can hardly bear to play for more than a half hour or so anymore.

Cantha, please!

Kamui.4038:

They desperately need a test server to get player feedback, one where real players can join in, not “thousands of testers” that tested your China client.

They get lots of player feedback. Most of it is ignored. A test server or similar thing won’t change that.

Khristophoros.7194:

Anet’s desperate answer is to make the 1-80 drag longer

There never should have been 80 levels. Not even close. 80 levels is ridiculous – the kind of number you get to after several xpacs…

I never wanted to level an alt because of this – and now I REALLY don’t want to level an alt.

Jandopo.2107:

Chuo.4238:

2 years in and no guild capes. It’s not going to happen, folks. All those things you loved about GW and are still waiting and hoping to see in GW2 ARE NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

I don’t agree with the “if they didn’t do it in 2 years they’ll never do it”.
Until there is an official statement I won’t lose hope.

Also, the Guild CDI is gonna start soon, maybe we’ll have the chance to talk about capes.

You forget, they don’t make official statements. If they did, they’d either have to live up to them, or continue to take flak from the community for not living up to them.

Short answer: no capes, no official statement. Have hope, if you want, but don’t hold your breath.

I don’t suppose you could use punctuation, and maybe break that up into paragraphs?

2 years in and no guild capes. It’s not going to happen, folks. All those things you loved about GW and are still waiting and hoping to see in GW2 ARE NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

While I’d say the downed state is stupid and annoying, I never found it confusing or frightening.

I agree completely with the OP: Guild Wars needs an expansion!

GW2 is a colossal waste. Congrats, ArenaNet, on your GW2 earnings.

Mike O Brien.4613:

I know some are concerned about whether ArenaNet is communicating with you and listening and responding to your feedback. As you saw with yesterday’s announcement, we do. All of us at ArenaNet play the game with you, chat with you and read your forum posts, and work on the things that we think will most delight and entertain you.

We’ve set a clear policy in the past year: we don’t talk speculatively about future development. We don’t want to string you along. Creating fun is an uncertain business: sometimes things work out and sometimes they don’t; sometimes we go back to the drawing board over and over before we get something right. If we make optimistic promises and then can’t deliver on them, everyone suffers. So when we attend a trade show or give an interview, we’re there to talk about what we’re getting ready to ship, not to speculate on what we might ship someday.

Don’t read that as meaning that we don’t want to talk with you about the longer-term roadmap. The intention of the CDI threads is to talk with you about the roadmap. We want to talk design philosophy with you and hear how you want to see the game evolve. When those discussions trigger development, we’ll work internally until we have something we’re proud of before we’ll announce it.

A lot of the questions I’ve seen posted this week are as simple as this: does ArenaNet have an agenda to never do something? That’s almost never the case, and if it is the case you deserve to know and we’ll make sure we get more clear. In general the simple truth is this: when we’re not currently working on something, it’s because we’re working on something else instead that we think is more important for the game and community.

Our developers post on these forums on a voluntary basis, and in addition to developers, we have a community team who can clarify and be the bridge between players and developers. They’re ready to engage you on these topics. And I know it’s hard for the community team to engage players across all the forums and sites where these questions are being discussed, so I’m going to support the team in consolidating and focusing as necessary, so that we can be clear to the community where you can go to get a response.

See you in-game,
Mike O’Brien

You haven’t really said anything of substance here at all.

Neurochazm.5370:

I for one can’t wait for the WoW expansion, not to play it of course, I won’t go back to WoW ever. I detest it so much now I deleted every single one of my Lvl 90 Characters & gave away everything I had.
I’m hoping all the people that want to turn GW2 into WoW will leave & let those of us who love GW2 play in peace.

Too late…they blew that back in November 2012…sort of.

We got a gear grind, but no endgame to speak of. The LS was a fantastic idea, but the implementation and writing have been, well, lackluster, shall we say?

This game needs a very good expansion and a bit of an overhaul on philosophy to be anything amazing.

They got rid of Robert Hrouda, their dungeon guy. If you like dungeons, you might want to play something else. It’s not going to happen in GW2.

Belenwyn.8674:

Chuo.4238:

Except if you don’t play it for one year, you can’t go back and play a year’s worth of it. So it’s not an expansion, and will never be as good as that. They keep making temporary content as a carrot to try and get people to log in, but it will never be ‘an expansions worth of content’ unless I can go back and play everything I missed.

Why do people always postulate an expansion for GW2 would contain more/better content as the LW seasons plus feature packs? There are no proves for this assumption. While waiting for an expansion there would be no new content for one or more years. An expansion can’t fill this gap. With LW plus feature patch you will not have a gap. When season 2 ends season 3 will start a few months later. Between the seasons we will see a feature pack with a high odd.

At this rate for season 2 we will get a number of dynamic events equal to 5-6 new maps. We will get a dozens of new world bosses and hundreds of new recipes. We also get many new stat combos and weapon sets.

I can also make assumptions: the first four episodes are the Flame&Frost equivalents. The episodes afterwards will be quadrupled in content.

The size of a map is not important. You could triple the size southsun. People would still ignore it for most of the time. Important is the content and it’s density. The density of events in Dry Top until now is higher than in most other maps.
Two episodes are two less far an evaluation of season 2 like the first two episodes of season 1 where to less for an proper evaluation of season 1. A first decent evaluation can be done after 6-10 episodes.

I’m not disagreeing. What I AM saying is that if I miss this content, I can NEVER go play it. With an expansion. I could.

Taygus.4571:

mrauls.6519:

Why should we not log in though :S we enjoy the game, it’s the reason we’re on the forums now posting our opinion. What you’re offering isn’t a solution but a pseudo feeling of receiving what we’re asking for

Ok log in, but don’t play LS

This is basically how it works in games that do expansions.No new content for months on end.
It’s what you’re asking for, so don’t play LS for 1 year. There’s your expansion.

Except if you don’t play it for one year, you can’t go back and play a year’s worth of it. So it’s not an expansion, and will never be as good as that. They keep making temporary content as a carrot to try and get people to log in, but it will never be ‘an expansions worth of content’ unless I can go back and play everything I missed.

Yes. Far more than I play GW2, actually…