Guild Wars 2

Gdb.3492:

Maybe was better if they would have never made Guild Wars 2. So at least we could have seen Guild Wars Utopia.

Now THAT I’d like to play. I’d rather see an xpac for GW than GW2.

Ryan.9387:

saalle.4623:

I have nothing to add,im just writing to keep this tread on first page. Cantha <3

This thread shall never die. It wil become a legend.

There’s already a thread that’s many times bigger than this one, and it only took a couple months, not years, to get so big. It got so legendary they locked it. Dare I link it?

Oh what the hell…

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Thoughts-on-Ascended-Gear-Merged-threads/first#post698726

I think I’ll enjoy Cantha as long as the Guild Wars servers are still running. I’ve completely lost interest in however ArenaNet will probably ruin Cantha for GW2. As it is, I feel no connection between GW and GW2. Them adding Cantha to GW2 will be no better than a bad sequel to a bad B movie…

If you have to ask…

Purple Miku.7032:

However, NCsoft is scheduled to launch an
expansion pack for Guild Wars 2 in the US and Europe in 2015.

I’m guessing this means whether it’s ready or not.

Get out your credit cards! More RNG boxes for sale!

Keep a copy of it somewhere.

I often wonder why the people who are so good at creating bucketloads of wealth ingame aren’t out doing it in real life…

If I had that talent…yea

Nick.6972:

It’s because Arena Net knows people want Cantha, and instead of actually making it, they’re releasing “Cantha” looking gem store items.

I hate to say it, but I think you’re right. They do seem to do whatever they can as cheaply as possible, and have an angle involving gem sales.

Somehow “We want Cantha” gets translated into “We want to buy Canthan-themed stuff from the store, and if we have that, then you don’t actually have to spend resources and time developing Cantha.”

Of course, you can substitute the word “Cantha” for…..

What bothers me to the core is that there seems to be enough people willing to spend loads and loads of cash in the gem store to encourage this – they’ve worked out that they can make money without actually making a game…

Which sucks for those who want a game…

pdavis.8031:

Yeah, as many people said, it’s not a feature update. A feature update could include new professions, races, skills, etc. However this is a story patch. The launch of the next stage of the story. Now with this there will be some features, the journal, a new map, etc. but nothing I would consider a “feature patch” or even an expansion.

Sounds like ANet have got so good at weasel words that people are starting to thing that’s reasonable…

Also, my guess is they’ve been focus-sing on China. Methinks we got dropped like a hot potato.

Because GvG and the Ladder were the heart and soul of GW. Even if you didn’t GvG competitively, it was still fun to watch…

But I digress…

We can’t have anything from GW. Apparently ArenaNet are embarrassed by GW or something, and are trying to pretend it doesn’t exist. And I can tell you that GW players are not even on their radar for target audience.

Dream Runner.8546:

Guild War 2 should be separate spin-off series from the guild wars series. It is so different, and the focus clearly is NOT in humans favour should be a sign of it. But the retconning of lore is the main thrust of it to market towards new players of the guild wars franchise. I mean, the change the Charr went into the current spot-light is very different and has put a lot of guild wars 1 players despise guild wars 2, as players went BACK to GW1 because Anets new product failed them.

This. I was going to say something like this. I don;t feel any connection at all between GW and GW2.

Ulion.5476:

Having a long term goal makes the game more enjoyable.

I get what you’re saying here, and I agree, most games are more fun with long-term goals and such.

In this case, however, if this ridiculous legendary grind, with no imaginative story behind it, no interesting quests, no lore…just grind, horrible RNG (for a precursor), or simply (tada!) buy the thing with real life cash….

If THIS is making the game more enjoyable…something is very, very wrong…

Aside from the grind, what’s so legendary about Legendaries?

No lore, no good backstory, no quests…..just RNG and grind. Or buy em from the cash shop.

Not worth it.

Galphar.3901:

Why is everyone obsessed with getting Cantha and Elona opened up for us?

Because we’re hoping for something fun to actually happen. Game’s a bit stale as it is…

Smooth Penguin.5294:

If there’s truly no hope, just tell us. We’ll still love you either way.

Speak for yourself :P

I’ve pretty much given up. It seems they’re determined to prevent this game from being fun.

Miroe.2054:

When Wildstar starts running, NCsoft will have enough resources to fund the next great project. Lets hope its a new, hyped and promoted content package. Thats the way it works, thats the way GW2 came to be, so lets cross our fingers.

I sincerely doubt that GW2 will see any money from WildStar – especially if WS is really popular. If WS is the better money-maker (and 2 days into it WS is already more polished and has more content than GW2 does over 2 years into it, so I suspect WS might be the better money-maker) then I wouldn’t expect at all to see any of that spent on GW2.

If I were NCSoft, and that were the case, I’d focus primarily onb feeding the better game, and hire someone new to manage unscrewing the broken one (perhaps by adding real content like an xpac with Cantha, rather than the current poorly-written temporary swill).

But if they’re going to add Cantha and treat it like they’ve done Tyria, then no thanks. I’d rather remember the old Cantha of GW than see it ruined.

I think the point of all this is:

I’d rather pay a sub for a GOOD game than play a crappy one for free…

Basically, I believe the truth to be thus:

You don’t have to make a good MMO, or a fun MMO, to make tons of money off of people who forget what fun really is, and want to buy or grind their way to some collection of digital pixels that they don’t even actually own.

All you have to do is offer said pixels for money – and put a pretty face on it.

It’s sad, but I think that this is what most MMO’s have become. It’s no longer about the game – it’s about how much money you can make for the least amount of effort.

Which is why I find myself playing less and less…of all MMO’s…but especially this one

They’re going to close this thread, and absolutely ignore everything in it using the TOS (No “I’m Quitting” threads) as an excuse.

Don’t waste your breath. ArenaNet have their heads in the sand over GW2.

My suggestion is to putz around in it off and on if there are things you enjoy – otherwise just find another game you like or get out of the house and get some sun.

Being frustrated and annoyed at a game means it’s not fun, and games are supposed to be fun. Go have fun! Don’t waste your time or breath on ArenaNet.

Easy come, easy go.

C’mon, ArenaNet…get something going!

Guild Halls are one of the very few absolute genius inventions of ArenaNet. No-one else are doing them, however, so ArenaNet never bothered.

A million ninja points to the dev from 2005 who thought them up. Absolute fail to the idiot manager who squashed the idea in GW2.

Guild Halls were one of the most amazing things that any MMO ever offered. ArenaNet, however, in their infinite clueless-ness, never worked out that they were an accident that went far, far beyond simple PvP and became something that really mattered to gamers. Guild Halls are simply made of win!

Which is why today’s ArenaNet can’t even fathom them.

There isn’t anything in this game that actually requires skill. So what’s the issue?

Sirendor.1394:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

GW1 remake? No.

GW1 continued new content releases? YES!

+1

Can we get a GW1 kickstarter project????

I’d absolutely buy a new expansion to Guild Wars. I would not buy a GW2 expansion, though. Ever.

But Guild Wars? Oh hell yea. I’d be all over that.

lmperdigao.2567:

Anet doesn’t even have a dungeon team anymore.

Pretty much this. And anything they do add will probably be more of the same ‘stack and spam’ strategy.

If you like dungeons, GW2 is not the game for you.

This isn’t a Guild Wars game, really. They took the name, added a “2” to the end of it, and kept some of the lore. The similarities end there. I think I’d have been happier if they’d just named it something else and didn’t try to pretend it had anything to do with Guild Wars. My expectations were way too high.

OP is spot on, and said well what I’ve been trying to articulate since launch. GW2 just doesn’t feel like a Guild Wars game. I just can’t get into it…I go months between play sessions, and then log on for maybe an hour.

I get annoyed at almost everything my character says. I turned down the voices volume. Happily, this means I don’t have to listen to the voice vcting in the Personal Story, either. Or the loud, overly-repetitive NPC’s staged all around the game. Or “FOR GREAT JUSTICE FOR GREAT JUSTICE FOR GREAT JUSTICE” ad infinitum.

The only good audio in this game is the soundtrack. Which, if I may say something positive, is outstanding (if mostly taken from Guild Wars and not really applied properly to situations and settings…argh…got negative again there). I’ll stop now.

Anyone get a repetitive motion injury from spamming 1, because you can’t even move the skill on your bar?

I’m just curious to see if they can actually pull this off without a Karka-like disaster. At the moment, my opinion is that ArenaNet couldn’t organize their way out of a wet paper bag. I certainly don’t think that they take much consideration for anything outside their offices.

We shall see, however. Maybe I’m wrong. I doubt it, though.

“Not that bad” is still a form of “bad”.

GW2 has completely sold me on the idea that cash shops, as a sole income source, ruin games, because the game is completely geared around getting you to spend money there (essentially, pay-to-win or pay-to-have fun). Moreover, when the company sells gold to its customers for real money, it completely unlevels the playing field for their players.

Devs need to focus on making good content and improving the game. For this, I’ll pay a sub, and gladly. After seeing what’s happened with GW2’s gem store funnel, and what happened to a few other games that changed from sub to “FTP with Cash Shop”, I will forevermore only play games that have subs. If those games aren’t fun, I’ll simply un-sub. I want a quality gaming experience where I can focus on having fun with my characters, not something that’s obnoxious unless I continually visit the store.

mesme.5028:

lordkrall.7241:

Corpus Christi.2057:

If for the sub fee I’d get 1) quality over quantity monthly/bimonthly updates, 2) no cash shop ridiculousness , 3) more permanent over temporary content, I’d gladly pay even 15-25 Euros a month.

Subs are usually a good sign in the MMO market.

Oh, except for the fact that more or less every sub-based MMO still have a cash shop.

Except most sub mmos don’t sell you in game gold, i say most but idk any that do.

You know, I think that selling ingame gold is a huuuuuuge turnoff. So yea – I’d pay a sub for a good game. I’m not ever again going to buy a game that sells you ingame gold, though.

I would have, if the game had been launched that way. I do wish the devs had been able to focus on making good content, instead of a mediocre gem-store funnel.

Today, however, I know what ArenaNet are made of. So no. I wouldn’t pay a sub for GW2. Nor will I buy any more gems (I seriously regret the waste of money I put into more character slots the first week of launch).

I’m saving my money to buy a subscription to a different game.

I logged in the other day after most of a year away from the game. You know what there was new to do? Some dailies, and something to do with Scarlet.

All that content you made all year is no longer accessible. So the game is essentially just as I left it. I think there’s a few new fractals. And an Ascended grind.

A year and a half into Guild Wars there was a new dungeon (Sorrow’s Furnace) and two new xpacs.

A year and a half into GW2, you might have released “an xpac’s worth of content”, but I can’t play any of it.

There’s about an hour’s worth of content, after you’ve had almost a year, new for me to do.

WTF? Why should I come back next year?

Problem is, I’ve so lost interest in the game because of the amount of temporary content that I’ve missed, and can never do again. I don’t think I care about this new patch at all.

ArenaNet do, I observe, take note of player likes and dislikes, but they tend to take so long about getting around to doing something about it people like me have completely lost interest. Well, with the exception of the Ascended Gear knee-jerk debacle, anyway.

My suggestion to ArenaNet (if you want me and people like me back):

Make this patch big, something completely special, and overhaul this annoying, grindy, OCD game. And then SELL it. And I don’t mean something like that pie-in-the-sky Manifesto that’s vague and misleading.

Explain what you’ve changed, why, and shoot straight with players about it. I know I’m sick of all the hype leading to poor-quality content. Explain why you’ve changed your ways, and why GW2 is the great game now, that it once could have been.

Your PR is terrible. Fix THAT, and regain the trust of your former customers, if you can.

I’d be happy if I could just move my skills around on the bar – to say nothing of the ecstasy I’d feel if I could actually pick and choose what goes onto that bar. The lack of these two things alone make GW2’s gameplay feel very inflexible and antiquated.

These people are very excited for 2014. I do notice a conspicuous absence of one particular game in their predictions…directly mentioned once, I believe, and that was to ask for something that’s not been delivered…

http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/12/20/the-think-tank-massivelys-2014-mmo-predictions/

I hate to say this, but I kinda saw it coming. I think things are going to become very quiet in Lion’s Arch soon…which is a shame. I looked forward to this game more than any other for several years.

Play Guild Wars. It has both GvG and spectator mode for it. No clue why ANet took such a big step backwards in PvP and went from having one of the best PvP games to one of the lamest.

cesmode.4257:

Sigh. Is this still going on?

Can we have a CDI dedicated to this very topic? It seems to be on everyones mind, including my own from time to time, for the last year+ and is not going away.

They’re not going to touch this subject publicly. It will only go from bad to worse if they do.

I don’t think ArenaNet is ever going to live down the Manifesto and what happened in November 2012. Right or wrong, agree or not, I think this is going to haunt them for the life of GW2.

That said, making posts about it isn’t going to change anything. What’s happened has happened. Time to move on. Perhaps to a different game.

I’ve kind of accepted that GW2 is not, and never will be, what I thought it was going to be based on the Manifesto, blogs, hype, and everything else. I think something fundamental changed at ArenaNet sometime between the Manifesto in 2010 and launch in 2012. They are not who they were, and no amount of pointing out these changes is going to bring that back.

If you like the game, great – if not, you have your fond memories of Guild Wars and how, for all its faults, it’s a far more captivating game. Log in there once in a while and mess around.

Meantime, find another game to play. Manifesto discussions are pointless. It’s over and done with. It’s not going to change.

scerevisiae.1972:

Won’t ever buy a B2P game again, 90% of the developer focus in this model is creating crap they can sell. I’d rather pay a subscription and get real content and attention to balance.

The amount of new content since release that I have actually enjoyed has been close to zero.

Almost no substantive balance or diversity improvements have been made in a year, with the notable exception of WVW and art, the game could not have disappointed me any more than it already has.

Pretty much this.

…and the forums are, like the game, still bugged in the same old annoying ways. Clicking on this thread shows me nothing but a reply box.

So here are my thoughts on it: Fix the bug where when the person who makes the post that causes the thread to go to a second page, that person can read the thread without having to make another post. Already.

/sigh

I think there will be something far more interesting than the Fall of Scarlet or any sort of “Feature Only” release just a few short weeks after March 4th. ArenaNet have had their chance. I’m excited for something else now, for this Spring (or Fall, for you Down Under types).

Yes. ArenaNet has done an amazing job of alienating and driving off their Guild Wars fanbase. I’m pretty sure that they feel that Guild Wars 2 was not designed, marketed, nor intended for the type of player who loved Guild Wars. I actually think that ArenaNet considers Guild Wars as some kind of embarrassing skeleton to keep in a closet as much as possible.

This would be why Guild Wars fans are a very small minority of the GW2 population.

Warlord.9074:

the logic is to add a gear treadmill and a power creep to our dieing game, so the hardcore who care about having the best will keep playing the game, but make the differences small enough that for people who don’t care won’t get all offeneded and quit the game. that is the logic becasue its an addition that wasn’t asked for or needed in the game or required.

I think this answer is kinda close to the truth. The bigger truth that ArenaNet have missed, however, is that when you try and please everyone….

They should have just gone for making fun content. Unfortunately with the Living Story, they’ve failed pretty hard at that, too.

I don’t know where the future of this game is going, but I bet it’s small niche…which is a crying shame given the colossal potential it had and was frittered away…

Berelious.3290:

Chuo.4238:

My guess is they’ll definitely increase the level cap and add more tier gear. They’ve pretty much driven off a large chunk of the community that was opposed to that; ArenaNet logic therefore means they need to please the remainder by adding more of what this game never needed and nobody wanted…

Sir! You look like you would be interested in our newest line of tinfoil hats! Not only are they stylish and unique, but come with many optional features! This little beauty for example will not only keep aliens from reading your mind, but comes with a truly resplendent sunshade and a removable mosquito net!

If they actually put a tinfoil hat in the game, I’d be sorely tempted to log in and try and get one

My guess is they’ll definitely increase the level cap and add more tier gear. They’ve pretty much driven off a large chunk of the community that was opposed to that; ArenaNet logic therefore means they need to please the remainder by adding more of what this game never needed and nobody wanted…

The forums are far more fun and entertaining than the game. I don’t even know when I last logged into the game. August..September?

Mostly I come here to see if ArenaNet have unscrewed this game yet, but so far it sure doesn’t look that way.

So I’m still a sad, disappointed longtime Guild Wars junkie who’s playing something else now and probably always will…

Well, it’s dead to me. Occasional check-backs to see if they’ve made a fun game yet still come up negative. Starting to get too late – too many exciting things on the horizon…and even the old standby game is more fun than GW2 at the moment.

To be honest, it’s very refreshing and liberating to stop caring about GW2.