Guild Wars 2

SFShinigami.2015:

Clockradio.3257:

SFShinigami.2015:

As an ordained Minister & Marriage Counselor in the Holy Church of Jedsus Chris of Saturday Feints I have taken leave from counseling the tumultuous marriage of BG and SoR and taken on some missionary work. So, TC and FA, have you heard the good word of Jedsus Chris of Saturday Feints? Have you experienced what it truly means to accept Woks on Water into your heart? His Papal Glory, Saint Mancus the Malhavoc welcomes any potential new followers to the Holy Church!

Also, with my [LOVE] hat on, Snuggle everyone fiercely!

HI CUDDLES!

Hello TC and FA, I am writing this as a warning to you the the Church of Jedsus Chris of Saturday Feints is nothing more than a pyramid scheme. Both BG and SoR have paid exorbitant sums of gold to this “Church” in good faith thinking that they had a system that could improve our relationship. SoR just woke up in a bathtub full of ice, and we think our kidney is missing. BG has a broken jaw, and their all the gold fillings in their teeth are missing (and even some teeth). If that wasn’t bad enough, we have found evidence that they somehow now have the deed to our home, and titles to all of our vehicles. Now we find out that the church has completely abandoned us.

SoR and BG are now poor and homeless because of this farce, and our relationship is worse than ever. Heed my warning.

Dear Clockradio:

This CEASE AND DESIST ORDER is to inform you that your persistent actions including but not limited to the continued harassment of the Holy Church of Jedsus Chris of Saturday Feints have become unbearable. You are ORDERED TO STOP such activities immediately as they are being done in violation of the law.

The Holy Church of Jedsus Chris of Saturday Feints have the right to remain free from these activities as they constitute harassment, and the Holy Church of Jedsus Chris of Saturday Feints will pursue any legal remedies available to it against you if these activities continue. These remedies include but are not limited to: contacting law enforcement to obtain criminal sanctions against you, and suing you civilly for damages the Holy Church of Jedsus Chris of Saturday Feints have incurred as a result of your actions.

Again, you must IMMEDIATELY STOP harassing the Holy Church of Jedsus Chris of Saturday Feints and send written confirmation that you will stop such activities. You risk incurring very severe legal consequences if you fail to comply with this demand.

This letter acts as your final warning to discontinue this unwanted conduct before the Holy Church of Jedsus Chris of Saturday Feints pursues legal actions against you. At this time, Holy Church of Jedsus Chris of Saturday Feints is not contacting the authorities or filing civil suit against you, as the Holy Church of Jedsus Chris of Saturday Feints hopes we can resolve this matter without authoritative involvement. The Holy Church of Jedsus Chris of Saturday Feints is not under any circumstances, however, waiving any legal rights it have presently, or future legal remedies against you by sending you this letter. This order acts as ONE FINAL CHANCE for you to cease your illegal activities before the Holy Church of Jedsus Chris of Saturday Feints exercises its rights.

Sincerely,

Mons. SFShinigami

My Lawyer has advised me to no longer have direct contact with you nor your organization. You will be hearing from us shortly.

etrigan.4213:

Big shout out to AGG for going to SoS. I’m sure you choices had more to do with about getting all of your players into a BL than anything…but congrats on making a logical choice of going to a lower Tier server and not bandwagoning(yet again) to a crappy Tier 1 server.

Wow, I haven’t laughed this hard in a LONG time. If you think AGG transferring to SOS will help them in any way PPT wise, you’re sorely mistaken. Their only focus is GVG and fights, they only move to lower tiers to work on their strat or for new guilds to GVG with.

At best, AGG might be able to distract zergs allowing other teams to sweep in and take a few towers, but that will only last as long as the forces they go up against are willing to fight them. If a map starts to avoid them or if they repeatedly get wiped, they will switch maps. Seen it time and time again.

Wakehaven.1806:

Dragonbrand fits your criteria. We have coverage gaps, but as a whole we are pretty solid. To break the top 4, we will need a few more WvW focused NA guilds. We are in a position of lacking coverage against the top 4, yet have more coverage than 6 and below.
As a transfer to DB, I can say for sure that FIRE is very happy with the move. The community is a work in progress, but the original DB guilds have been excellent hosts and for any serious WvW guild, it is a great place to be a part of. FIRE is proud to call Dragonbrand home.

However, if JQ keeps bleeding guilds DB/TC will probably end up rotating in the BG/SOR/X matchup. If you don’t want to fight ANY top 3 servers, DB would probably be a poor choice.

If you’re a guild thinking about transferring to DB or TC thinking that they will stay in the 4-6 range for the foreseeable future, I’d definitely wait a few weeks. “T1” is getting shaken up right now.

Kiltor.9362:

So. where is the complaint?

If you’re specifically looking for matchup complaints, I’d wait a day or so when people get frustrated with the matchup.

If you’re just looking for complaints I would recommend every other part of this forum.

SleepingDragon.1596:

yourasmellyface.5810:

Thank you for the replies. Just to reiterate, we’re not interested in tier 1. We are mainly looking at tier 2 and 3 hoping to help balance the competition a bit.

JQ is a tier 2 server with a few Oceanic players…

Not yet. Give it a week or two and you’ll be spot on.

CuddleStrike.8215:

Clockradio, your post just me laugh so hard. SoR and BG will work through this…. we’ve got this!

Without the “help” of the Church of Jedsus Chris of Saturday Feints, I’m certain we will!

Cryptik.7298:

Ladies and Gentlemen! It is officially spawn-camp-o-clock!

Maps have three ways to exit spawn. Pick a different exit and stop complaining about it.

Aeros.2046:

Transfer. There are 22 Servers in North America and 27 in Europe. The game was not designed with the idea that people would frontload 5 servers and ignore the other 20. If you are getting skill lagged all the time in your server, odds are good there are too many people on it. I know I almost never get skill lagged on my server unless its a triple qued Eternal Map in the Lords Room of Stonemist.

Name ONE MMO that hasn’t had most people piling onto the top 3-5 servers.

This happens in every single MMO. To not plan for it is neglectful. If they wanted to get rid of skill lag, they would decrease the map cap, and increase the amount of maps to play on.

SFShinigami.2015:

As an ordained Minister & Marriage Counselor in the Holy Church of Jedsus Chris of Saturday Feints I have taken leave from counseling the tumultuous marriage of BG and SoR and taken on some missionary work. So, TC and FA, have you heard the good word of Jedsus Chris of Saturday Feints? Have you experienced what it truly means to accept Woks on Water into your heart? His Papal Glory, Saint Mancus the Malhavoc welcomes any potential new followers to the Holy Church!

Also, with my [LOVE] hat on, Snuggle everyone fiercely!

HI CUDDLES!

Hello TC and FA, I am writing this as a warning to you the the Church of Jedsus Chris of Saturday Feints is nothing more than a pyramid scheme. Both BG and SoR have paid exorbitant sums of gold to this “Church” in good faith thinking that they had a system that could improve our relationship. SoR just woke up in a bathtub full of ice, and we think our kidney is missing. BG has a broken jaw, and their all the gold fillings in their teeth are missing (and even some teeth). If that wasn’t bad enough, we have found evidence that they somehow now have the deed to our home, and titles to all of our vehicles. Now we find out that the church has completely abandoned us.

SoR and BG are now poor and homeless because of this farce, and our relationship is worse than ever. Heed my warning.

Nope. Haven’t seen a single WARD or ACO tag yet. I assume that’s what you’re talking about.

EnRohbi.2187:

Gellor.6497:

Lenador.1436:

Wonder if there is enough original old DB who still hold grudges to TSYM?

Probably not and if any did it got worked out when we fought SoS and they were still there before going to SoR

This is about where I stand.
I waited a long time to get a taste of TSYM again,
Had the match I wanted while they were on SoS, long over it now.
After transferring servers multiple times, it’s most likely that TSYM now is almost a completely different member base than TSYM a year ago.

Won’t say that I might not find myself choosing to attack TSYM tags over other guilds if I’m given the chance, but that’s more of an “Old habits die hard” thing than any grudge c:
I’m gonna wanna get my time in with SoR regardless

TSYM lost members each transfer, so you’re probably right. From what I know of the members is that there is only a handful of people (mostly officers/GM) that were around for both transfers (DB>SOS>SOR). However, the core values of TSYM are still very much the same in that we still take at least one night a week off for workshops/training, and periodically take week long breaks to just chill out and enjoy the rest of the game..

Kovu.7560:

Tarkus.4109:

Gellor.6497:

Depends on the week really, last week our SEA had 3 maps queued. I’m guess that our fair weathers won’t be out so might be able to do 2 maybe??

That happens, every server has fairweathers and some guilds that only come out when they are winning…

I don’t think you quite understand what he means.

~ Kovu

At least that guild is honest about it’s intentions…

Lenador.1436:

Clockradio.3257:

Lenador.1436:

Clockradio.3257:

Lenador.1436:

Wonder if there is enough original old DB who still hold grudges to TSYM?

I was wondering the same thing myself when I saw this matchup.

For old times sake……I think is so low of you to leave your server like that i mean its like you leaving for walmart and leaving you kids in kroger’s and letting them hone their skills to challenge you once again……doesnt have to make sense only needed to be said

Haha, nice. That’s more along the lines of the welcome I was expecting!

But seriously, I didn’t join TSYM until they were on SoR, but Coron has had story time in the past where he explained what happened on DB and SOS…

Id love to hear those old war stories

Unless you’re interested in server politics and/or the history of TSYM, these stories would probably be pretty boring.

Personally, I LOVE observing server politics. Fascinating stuff comprised of secret alliances, betrayal, espionage, and all sorts of stuff you see in spy films. If you’re a fan of server/guild politics, I’d recommend reading up on EVE Online. The game is boring as hell, and includes a huge learning curve/time sink to get started (which is why I’ve never played), but the politics on that game are second to none as far as MMOs are concerned.

Lenador.1436:

Clockradio.3257:

Lenador.1436:

Wonder if there is enough original old DB who still hold grudges to TSYM?

I was wondering the same thing myself when I saw this matchup.

For old times sake……I think is so low of you to leave your server like that i mean its like you leaving for walmart and leaving you kids in kroger’s and letting them hone their skills to challenge you once again……doesnt have to make sense only needed to be said

Haha, nice. That’s more along the lines of the welcome I was expecting!

But seriously, I didn’t join TSYM until they were on SoR, but Coron has had story time in the past where he explained what happened on DB and SOS…

Lenador.1436:

Wonder if there is enough original old DB who still hold grudges to TSYM?

I was wondering the same thing myself when I saw this matchup.

This is an unexpected matchup, needless to say…

I’m excited to get a little new blood in this matchup. Best of luck to all sides.

Paavotar.3971:

Scouts and scouting is a lot more rare in lower tier where the golem rushes are actually a problem. Borders might have only 10 active defenders at some time, even close to Prime so a scout or two who are running south camps need to be lucky if they are to spot a golems being chain portaled straight to Hills gate, for example.

Also, they can have scouts as well scouting for scouts. You know, like countering the counter treb with treb

Sorry, I should have clarified. I meant open field scouts, like roaming and actively looking for zergs, havoc squads, or anything that can flip a tower/keep. Thieves can do this wonderfully. However I do understand that it’s much more rare to have someone willing to do this in lower tiers.

The only part about current golem rushes that is bad right now is that a group of 40-50 can flash build 6-7 alphas at the gate. If they’re building these golems at a keep or spawn and walking them to their target, you just need scouts, or better scouts. They move so slow its almost neglectful for at least one person to not see them and report them in map chat.

MagiKarp.8201:

SoR has a buttload of SEA and theres even more coming and a lot are hidden, SoR’s SEA morale is low but next week we’ll see a whole different ball game.

I’ll hold you to that prediction ;-)

Paavotar.3971:

Edit: One way to handle this could be that supply is not movable from border to border. This way you have to build the golems in the border with the supply from the border. Just so you can’t build golems near spawn with the supply of home border Garrison or Crossroads. This way it wouldn’t be as common tactic as defenders have a slight chance to spot the incoming rush and it would take far more time to set up multiple omegas and alphas.

This would irritate pretty much every Oceanic/Sea wvw’er out there. Not to mention it would be extremely annoying to lose supply like that.

However, I’m not even going to disagree that it would stop most golem rushes. In that respect, it would be great.

Hoots.9564:

Clockradio.3257:

Right, I would argue that Pryan commands TW the same amount, if not more than Indo does.

No mention of Degothia? Everyone on SoR knows that Dego is the true and rightful leader of TW. Pryan and Indo only run havoc squads of exactly 15 players.

I’m not familiar with Dego. Pryan and Indo are the only TW commanders I really see. I don’t particularly follow TW or the inner workings of that guild. However I’m sure they have more wonderful commanders than just Indo and Pryan. I think it’s similar to how the only known TSYM commanders (currently) are Coron and Cylus.

Visiroth.5914:

Maybe measures like this would help break up zergs, or at least slow down their WXP training.

I understand your point of breaking up zergs, but you could accomplish (if not do better) the same by having 1-2 people stay in a tower manning superior AC’s.

Even better, have an upgrade option that teaches archers how to use AC’s and Ballistas. That wouldn’t even be a particularly difficult thing to code AI wise…

Why would you want to slow down WXP farming? That part makes no sense to me. The chests are basically worthless anyway. I only know of one or two people who have gotten an exotic out of the them. You get better loot from killing players. If you’re talking about the WvW character buffs from WXP, that’s laughable. It doesn’t take very long to get any skill line maxed out except guard killer, defense against guards, and increased supply carry. All of the “useful” lines are cheap enough.

Crimedawg.8954:

Clockradio.3257:

Kathy, please explain why you think SoR has a toxic community? I would really like to know why you think that.

Please dear god ignore the trolls.

Kathy supposedly has intimate knowledge of SoR and it’s inner workings, but has claimed in the past to never have been on SoR.

I’m seriously curious as to what her (?) opinion is on why SoR has a toxic community. If it ends up being a troll response, I could really care less.

I think the closest thing you’ll find to what’s described in your links is the Blackgate War Council, however that’s more of an alliance rather than a single guild.

SoR has a public teamspeak provided by the guild TW which is crowd funded. However if I were to describe SoR’s WvW community, I would describe it more as a matrix. Guild leaders of WvW based guilds have means of communication, and there’s a weekly meeting open to everyone who wants to listen in on. As far as sharing siege and supplies goes, it’s limited between guilds, but I don’t think anyone has any problems obtaining superior siege, especially since it’s so cheap on the TP now…

Not saying one is better than the other, each are valid and proven ways of leading organizations (or in this case server WvW groups).

Brutus.5732:

The comment about SOR logging when Indo does was funny, he is a notorious ninja afk logger, I’m pretty sure you guys credit him with stuff when he isn’t there.

Right, I would argue that Pryan commands TW the same amount, if not more than Indo does.

LOL to people who think Indo is the king of SoR… He hasn’t even lead a server meeting in weeks.

LOL to people who think TW is a huge guild. They’re just one of the more active WvW guilds on SoR, so you just see the same people a lot.

Kathy, please explain why you think SoR has a toxic community? I would really like to know why you think that.

yep. /supply info on reset night. 80 is the most any commander I have ever talked to has gotten. This is with a full coordinated group on a map, its unlikely that a random could have run away from the herd without being seen.

White swords take 30 seconds to appear. If you’re getting golem rushed, there’s nothing you can do if you don’t have an active defense/scout looking over the place.

sostronk.8167:

@Blood Red Arachnid, I don’t think anyone really has an issue with the 30v50 type scenario. Its when they bring 120 and you cannot attack except for skill 1 occasionally working.

It’s a kitten shame BL’s have a map cap of 80 per side, otherwise you might have a good point…

Gems always cost the same with real money. Just be happy that there is a conversion from gold to gems…

I think removing the waypoint option from keeps would probably be the easiest/quickest way to break up a lot of zergs… however, that doesn’t change the fact that you can run from your starting point to the top of the map in about a minute with runspeed up. This, with bigger maps with more capture points would probably solve most issues people have with zergs.

This is the new commander meta.

Vash.9183:

Who’s DDoS’ing the teamspeak? C’mon, step right up, step right up…

Off with their head, etc.

I second this…

That’s why I said I was looking forward to it!

Vash.9183:

Clockradio.3257:

Looking forward to watching PPT tumble for SoR as the daily BG + waha VS SOR Sea match continues…

JQ NA has been hitting BG all day. JQ SEA hits SoR. We’re both hit by 2 sides at two different time-zones. Didn’t you see JQ bring us down to 130-150 ppt while we were trying to fend you off? Lol

Why is this brought up on every page

Sure I noticed, but waha and bg sea are the only ones who regularly flip our home BL keep (and really pretty much everything else we have). Its interesting to see when it happens. I’m trying to see if there’s a pattern with the targets they hit… its like a minigame for me at work…

Anyway, its a nice strategic move. You guys (BG primarily) take advantage of your strong timezones, so do we. No hate here.

pot.6805:

2v1 complaints again?

I cannot blame you for saying this because that is usually the case, but I’m stuck at work, and watching the MoS maps is pretty much what I do… it’s kinda fun to see what’ll be flipped first.

Looking forward to watching PPT tumble for SoR as the daily BG + waha VS SOR Sea match continues…

Dutchares.6084:

ANET should just check how many people each side has in a zone every 30 minutes and give points accordingly.

Because this could never, ever be exploited…

Celly.5912:

I’d prefer culling really. It’s much less frustrating than dying to upscaled PvE players because they just have 3 times the amount of people.

You must be forgetting the part about culling where you get wiped all over the floor by an 80 man full-map zerg before your comp even rendered them.

You know what would take away skill lag? Culling.

But no one likes culling, so skill lag it is…

Aarean.5398:

Darkjoy.3092:

Naytron.7831:

I’m very sorry to that Blackgate representative/recruiter for turning you down. Night Shift [NS] is NEVER going to Blackgate. Good luck on your recruitment somewhere else.

I’m sorry, but by the sound of this classy comment no one on Bg WANTS YOU. We are just fine without drama queens

Awww bger giving his little comeback to the good people of Night Shift. Leave them alone dude. No response is necessary.

The NS guy should have never came in here and said what he did. It’s just bad form. If you or your guild get approached to transfer and you don’t want to, then just tell them no and move on with your life. You don’t have to call out an individual or even a server like that.

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

Back when I ran havoc groups before SoR was top tier, I used to go as far as capturing enemy towers with groups of 5. Flame rams, as it turns out, are fairly cheap and powerful.

I haven’t had a chance to play Golem Wars yet, so I am unsure how well they can defend, but prior to golem wars a coordinate group of 5 people could be quite deadly while defending a keep, even against 10 or 20 invaders.

Five people can turn away an entire map zerg with five superior ac’s…

Politicians always lie. Don’t believe either one of them. When has any politician you’ve ever known done everything they promised in their campaign?

Never. That’s when.

Considering how each map is littered with choke points, this is a terrible idea.

Next patch: AoE now hits unlimited siege, and only 5players.

All siege supply cost reduced 50%

zerospin.8604:

Clockradio.3257:

If you’re selling siege you likely don’t care about wvw anyway… otherwise there’s a dozen commanders willing to take donations on your server I’m sure.

I don’t quite understand why people who can afford to throw 100g on a badge would need donations lol. Shouldn’t it be the other way around, commanders giving out siege to people who follow them?

Last night I used 20g worth of siege defending vale and bay… why should commanders be the only ones to pay for siege when the entire group benefits from it being placed?

bhagwad.4281:

I was thinking…how about we reduce the chances of getting badges and loot from an enemy player the more people are in an area? So…if you’re in a huge zerg, you rarely get loot from kills. But if you’re in a small group of 2-3 people, your chances of loot from enemy kills shoots way up.

I have a feeling this will encourage smaller scale battles all over the map. Whatdya think?

Why do you need loot if you’re doing something you enjoy?

I ran yaks with a 5 man team for two hours last night and didn’t get any xp, and maybe one loot bag, but I still had a blast hanging out with my guildies.

Not everything has to involve loot…

mallas.9836:

Do i see JQ/SoR whining about megablobs again? Correct me if I am wrong but pretty sure last reset i saw 80 JQ megablob for 3 hours with like 1 million necro circles so much you couldn’t see the grass. Lets not mention IRON megablobs or TSYM + others megablobs. RG megablobs etc.

LOL. I don’t remember a time where TSYM has managed to get more than 40 on a map.

If you’re talking about last night on BGBL, we had maybe 20-25. The rest were SOR militia, and a couple other smaller guilds.

Same goes for IRON… I usually don’t see more than 30 of them.

Bovinity.8610:

That’s because it’s actually kinda believable that SoR would recruit 50 new guilds. =D

We don’t even have to recruit anymore… people just come to SoR in mass…

LOL to ALL BG/JQ who claim that SoR is sooo stacked. You guys really have no clue what you’re talking about, do you?