Guild Wars 2

Hey everyone, I’m Clockradio of TSYM on SoR.

I would just like to take a moment to thank everyone on SoR for the warm welcome back and to everyone from JQ and BG fighting on SoR BL tonight. It was a blast. We had loads of fun.

Thanks for the good times and we hope to see you all out on the field very soon!

Clock

Warlord.9074:

Crimson Riddles.3892:

Warlord.9074:

Crimson Riddles.3892:

What game is Tsym playing now

BF4 I think I’m playing Path Of Exile.

Well to fill you in, 2/3rds of your server is moving to another game apparently… That subscription fee is such a turn off tho

Which one FF14ARR? That game is only PVE i thought. There are a bunch of new games coming out soon…Wildstar ESO EQNext will be intresting to see if even the hardcore GW2 fans left will stay. Were thinking of coming back to GW2 until one of those games comes out. TSYM may be back…

TSYM is back to GW2 in January. Although several of us have been playing a few hours here and there for the past few weeks.

TSYM is now playing primarily RIFT and BF4 (with little offshoots playing Starbound, Gary’s Mod, PoE, etc).

Any other questions feel free to check out tsym.enjin.com, pm me on this site, or send me a tell in game.

SykkoB.9465:

Le Rooster.8715:

renmei.3102:

Le Rooster.8715:

SoR zerg more next time, can’t take the tower with relatively even numbers so you have to bring a whole map queue to take a paper tower against 15 defenders.

It is always cute when people flatter themselves and think they are more important than they really are. A more likely scenario is that bored groups are jumping at any hint of action because there is no one to fight.

or you could split up into groups of 2 or 3 and actually fight us with even numbers, we’ll give you alot more fights there.

Dude rooster stop trolling, you know full well that asking ppl to “sit out of a fight” is just not gonna work. When SOS has more coverage numbers of other servers, how many times did you ask your server mates to stand back so you can get all the action ?

Trolls be trolling with no logic /fail

If it makes anyone feel any better, TSYM is sitting out this round. No need for thanks guys, just doing the world good. :-P

morrolan.9608:

Clockradio.3257:

KayOz.3750:

Clockradio.3257:

KayOz.3750:

Pretty funny to see BG and JQ paying guild to join their servers.
Poor guys.

I have yet to see anything more than rumor and speculation that guilds were ever paid to join a server.

There is a difference between helping a guild (who in all likelihood was going to transfer anyway) get all of it’s members over by donating/loaning gold to them and outright paying them gold to transfer to a server.

How about we deal with facts, supported by real evidence, rather than this crap that’s going around lately?

I’ve talked to a friend. The guild got 100% paid.

Ok, that’s great, I’m sure your “friend” has loads of “inside information”. How about some screenshots or have a guild leader swing by here to confirm?

This isn’t a court of law. I’ve also been told directly by a guild that they were offered gold to move.

This means nothing, their contact on whatever server you’re referring to may have been under the impression that they were moving anyway. Perhaps it was a kind gesture to aid them. How do any of us know for sure if it was a “bribe” to convince them to transfer? We don’t.

Until the players involved with the situation step forward and say something, it’s all just rumor and speculation.

Anyway, the real question at hand is when ANET is going to start packaging tinfoil hats with GW2. Everything is a conspiracy around here to ruin servers or destroy WvW. On top of that, the players gossip more than a sewing circle.

KayOz.3750:

Clockradio.3257:

KayOz.3750:

Pretty funny to see BG and JQ paying guild to join their servers.
Poor guys.

I have yet to see anything more than rumor and speculation that guilds were ever paid to join a server.

There is a difference between helping a guild (who in all likelihood was going to transfer anyway) get all of it’s members over by donating/loaning gold to them and outright paying them gold to transfer to a server.

How about we deal with facts, supported by real evidence, rather than this crap that’s going around lately?

I’ve talked to a friend. The guild got 100% paid.

Ok, that’s great, I’m sure your “friend” has loads of “inside information”. How about some screenshots or have a guild leader swing by here to confirm?

KayOz.3750:

Pretty funny to see BG and JQ paying guild to join their servers.
Poor guys.

I have yet to see anything more than rumor and speculation that guilds were ever paid to join a server.

There is a difference between helping a guild (who in all likelihood was going to transfer anyway) get all of it’s members over by donating/loaning gold to them and outright paying them gold to transfer to a server.

How about we deal with facts, supported by real evidence, rather than this crap that’s going around lately?

SleepingDragon.1596:

Don’t forget, Tsym says they’ll be back again soon. That means… click and wait in queue…

December. EDIT: At least a core group will return and be recruiting at that point, I wouldn’t expect to see us running full force until January.

And can we all stop pretending that [AGG] contributes to PPT. I think a this point we’ve all seen them abandon strategic locations under pressure to GVG or map hop when the enemy zerg splits or does something that won’t net them kills. At best, they are a distraction allowing their allies to capture points while the other side is dealing with them. Nothing wrong with it, they just don’t play for PPT.

Tarkus.4109:

Clockradio.3257:

BTW for those of you keeping track, TSYM will be back to GW2 in December. We’re just enjoying a nice vacation and hoping for some solid WvW updates in the time being.

Good luck to all of you on the field.

Clock

~wanders back to FFXIV~

Good to hear TSYM will be coming back to gw2, its always a shame when a guild that offered tough competition and was willing to innovate goes to other games. Looking forward to it, enjoy your Grindy jRPG based MMO.

The ultimate reason we chose FF was because it was the exact opposite type of MMO that GW2 is and a lot of us were itching for something different. Playing semi-casually it took me about 2 weeks to hit top level in one class/job, so it’s not really not as grindy as people seem to think. Plus, the crafting system is disgustingly robust, probably the best I’ve seen in an MMO in a long time.

Relentliss.2170:

Playing on SOR I have learned a lot about what a good server does to win fights. On SOS it was clear, other than TSYM, none of the other guilds I saw had a clue. I feel pretty confident with our our teams can take on odds of nearly 2:1 and wipe you all. I don’t see SOS applying the same builds or strategies to fights. I get the feeling a lot of people are not even running good builds, let alone using their team buffs effectively.

That’s what TSYM was build to do… other guilds are just build to “destroy noobs” or whatever. We were founded on the premise of breaking down classes and trying to use them as effectively as possible, in addition to forming superior battlefield tactics. Its not that it’s necessarily a only way to do things, although I would certainly argue that it’s a more sustainable path. Good leadership and with well defined goals can definitely go a long way, and it’s the primary reason why we were able to launch 50 people on FFXIV, and probably a whole lot more than that on Wildstar and ESO.

BTW for those of you keeping track, TSYM will be back to GW2 in December. We’re just enjoying a nice vacation and hoping for some solid WvW updates in the time being.

Good luck to all of you on the field.

Clock

~wanders back to FFXIV~

Creaky.8596:

Guess we will have to wait for Camelot Unchained.

FFXIV:ARR is going to add in a RvR game mode. Not sure if it will be good, but I’d start leveling now if that remotely interests you. It’s a long road.

Oh and I suppose ESO will have one too, again, not sure if it’ll be any good though.

Honestly, with the whole league thing the very least they could do is lock transfers/new accounts on SoR/BG/JQ until the other server start to have the kind of turn out we do…

Fuzzion.2504:

Jahn.7019:

And BG pushes JQ to 3rd.

What a push from BG.

Only 14k from 2/3 and 1st. Great matchup so far.

It’s still anyone’s game. Keep it up everyone and enjoy the fights on the field, our forums can be a friendly place if we want them to be.

AYe, its still anyones game. And SoR and BG, you guys are full to the brim , next 3 weeks expect a good number of transfers, could you kindly push them to JQ. You will gets lots of love and cookies

Now now fuzz, we wouldn’t want to ruin your “underdog” image

Star Trek Movie Marathons are what have gotten me through HOURS of tower/keep babysitting.

Rewarding scouts should be something that commanders talk over with their scouts. If the scouts want a reward, great, figure something out. If scouts could care less about the reward and rather finds the reward to be helping out the team or still being able to do something of value while a lot of their attention can be given to other tasks.

I’d hate for commanders to be held hostage to “turning on the scout loot” for anyone to volunteer a part of their time.

Basically, I think it just works better for everyone if it’s a discussion between the commander and the scout, rather than something forced upon everyone by ANET.

draugris.9872:

DevonCarver.5370:

We are very, very focused on WvW.

Well i know you keep saying this over and over, but can you tell me why is it that PvE wise we can actually see a lot of development efforts and regarding wvw we see very little ? On the panel Anet was stating that for you the playerbase and what the playerbase wants is important, that you want to “listen” to the playerbase.

Kind of tough to make comments like that when you don’t know the internal dynamics of how the ANET dev process works. I’m not going to pretend I know everything that happens there, but from what it sounds like they have separate teams working on PvE content, while unrelated teams work on WvW content. So his statement of “We are very, very focused on WvW” could mean than his team/subordinates are dedicated to WvW, while other dev teams are not.

If ANET operates like any other company looking to stay profitable, I’d imagine there’s a good deal more resources going into PvE content because that’s where the money to be made is. Again, without knowing the true internal dynamics of ANET, this would be the best answer as to why we’re seeing a lot more new content in PvE as opposed to WvW and to a greater extent SPvP.

sostronk.8167:

The other issue is that even if you do not participate in WvW you still get the reward for your servers success.

Nope. You have to complete a WvW meta achievement over the course of 7 weeks. That’s what Mr. Carver said in the bigger “Complaining about league” thread.

morrolan.9608:

When results are based purely on coverage of course they aren’t fair. It seems ridiculous that it appears we will get personal rewards based on where our server finishes in these new leagues.

Any reward for doing well in WvW over the course of a week would be better than the current reward for doing well or winning week after week.

So… What happens if a server has zero players on a map? Only 5 people are allowed on that map from either of the other two servers?

What about when people start to log off at night? Under this system is the server going to boot players to keep it even?

Don’t get me wrong, its a great idea, but it’s far from the ideal solution. You’re assuming that players from every server always have people on a map. Not to mention players who are “doing their own thing” on a map and not working toward progressing their server’s score.

Bri.8354:

Chiolas.1326:

Bri.8354:

There’s just no way to create a fair scoring system, one which determines the victor by skill over numbers.

False. There are many options, however Anet hasn’t even done a test run with any of them. It’s not lack of way, it’s lack of will.

May the blobbing and nightcapping continue, hope you all enjoy your free ego booster kthxbai

I was talking more about how the league point system cannot be fair when it is built around the current scoring system that heavily favors higher population servers. If they revamp the system I’m sure they could come up with something that benefits numbers less, but as bradderzh points out, WvW competition is not meant to be fair, so for that reason we shouldn’t be rewarding the top servers.

You could say the same thing about servers with a huge PvE population around the clock. Is it fair to someone on ET that they can’t farm meta-events all day and night (WITHOUT guesting) like a player on TC/JQ/BG/SoR can?

Not to mention the distinct lack of GOOD rewards for WvW, just a ton of low-grade crap that is hardly worth the vendor price. Go farm PvE for 1 hour, then get in a WvW zerg for an hour and compare the drops. I guarantee you you’ll make a considerable amount more as for a loot/rewards go in PvE.

I for one am glad that they’re making the attempt to reward WvW players.

Don’t have time in a week for training/meetings? Have your guild take ONE DAY off from WvW participation (Wednesday or Thursday most weeks are the best). Even better, coordinate with all the other WvW guilds on your server so you all don’t choose the same day.

When TSYM was active on GW2, this is exactly what we did. It helped a ton getting new members up to speed on strategies and allowed time for Commander training for those new to it as well. It can also be used as a day where your officers can push recruitment HARD to keep up your numbers. It doesn’t sound like an ideal situation to essentially close down 1/3 of the game for half the week. I doubt anyone with real say on the issue would even consider that option.

Condition necros usually have very long utility skills, however if they pop plague form, you probably won’t be able to get away unless you root them somehow (I believe immobilize still works on plague necros).

Use that stuff to your advantage. It’ll be a long fight since their HP pool is absolutely massive.

Kiijj.3594:

Tarkus.4109:

You could probably sing daisy and wipe 75 with 25 people. Are you surprised that you get doubleteamed in SEA?

Not surprising at all, I rather agree that a leaner and more effective force destroying a much larger group would induce an unnatural amount of anger that would lead to a noticeable commander such as yourself to admit that BG and JQ are indeed double-teaming on SoR.

We Rallians are quite honoured, for what does not kill us makes us stronger. See you on the battlefield.

Its hardly a secret. I don’t see why anyone on SoR should particularly care if we’re double teamed in any timezone. Those happen to be the circumstances in the present, deal with it.

Crimson Riddles.3892:

Tarkus.4109:

Clockradio.3257:

Cameron.2315:

stevie.4187:

BG now has Commander Kidinkk :0 yeyeye

How much did they pay you?

The rumor that I just made up says that BG War Council paid him 10,000g + an Eternity to move to BG in an agreement that he would continue to make videos and insert BG propaganda in each of them.

I resent this, we spent 90 000 gold, an eternity and a handie from Morgoth on the premise hat he would strike fear into his enemies via telepathically scaring off his opponents with how intense he is in TS.

Actually, I heard it was 9 000 gold x10, a twilight and sunrise that was merged into 1 sword and the act of smiling like a donut from Morgoth to scare and intimidate enemies in a Voip.

Need to get your facts straight there, bud.

My apologies, I will make sure that I correct everyone that I told.

Clock

Thesilentflute.8761:

Deadcell.9052:

You GVG guys realize you have the best place ever for your GVG battles right at your finger tips? A place you can fight your hearts out and never interfere with the ongoing WvWvW battle? A place that has maps within the maps? Haven’t guessed yet?

You ever consider the Eternal Battlegrounds jumping puzzle? The whole map can be your personal battleground, heck did you know they even have an arena inside the place? So there you go problem solved, its a win win for all, you get your GVG and everyone doesn’t have to wait in a long queue till your finished.

This guy is kittening brilliant.

The only problem is you have to get into EB first, which on most servers is the first map with a queue, has the longest queue, and is the last to come off of queue after primetime is over.

sostronk.8167:

It can be a bit funky. Ive had keep capture credit when I am and have been on the opposite side of the map the entire time, like in situations where I am specifically hitting something else to pull them away right before a keep rush. Dealing damage to the door or NPC’s and being in the ring usually makes sure of credit for me though.

Take this situation as an example:

I was sitting on an AC defending hills while my team wakittenting the enemy’s bay. I tagged nearly the entire zerg before they got out of combat and ported to bay. They were wiped at bay and I still got kill credit for a lot of them, and because they were part of the bay defense event, when my team capped bay I got a gold for the event.

pretty screwy, huh?

Logging out and logging back in usually solves this for me. However, tagging at least one NPC/enemy or tagging the door/wall should get you at least bronze credit.

Elano.2014:

Boulderbolg.3460:

Come ghost us SoR and JQ:

http://www.twitch.tv/syk0jester

Your channel is laggy. :/

I was watching them kill a CHOO guy over and over while the NPC’s just ran over an rezzed him outside of SoR’s EB Keep. Stream worked fine for me. TS chat and music playing at a listenable included for those who care.

Nice stream, I’ll definitely keep an eye on it when I want to just watch someone play. Keep up the good work.

Boulderbolg.3460:

Come ghost us SoR and JQ:

http://www.twitch.tv/syk0jester

Are you streaming with NO delay?

Ballsy… I like it.

Bolero Bloodreign.9025:

SykkoB.9465:

Bolero Bloodreign.9025:

SykkoB.9465:

Bolero Bloodreign.9025:

Brutus.5732:

4k difference between 1st and 3rd with lead swings along the way and people are complaining?

You actually think the difference between 1st and 3rd will stay 4k as we move further ahead into the week?

btw, I told you last time, you’re not worth anyone’s time. Unless you write something intelligent, don’t expect another reply.

you actually think that if the three off us were not together it would be only 4k dif right now?

WVW is about coverage, and right now BG has the best coverage so ina 1v1 they would easily win. Now in wvwvw 2 servers can minimize the third servers coverage advantages, but with that said tho most of the time that doesnt happen.

Besides the obvious, It’s 4k because the matchup is early in the week and it’s also 4k because it’s #1v#2v#3, not #1v#5v#10.

And no, you’re wrong. SoR has the best coverage because it’s the most stacked server. SoR is the only server we know that can leave a group of 45 people in a keep for a lenghty period of time and still be able to zerg with 60 people elsewhere. But I didn’t say this, I’m quoting another SoR person that said this last week. I think he mention it was the guild IRON.

Be nice if we all had this type of coverage.

aighty well u just lost all credibility.

im not gonna argue about servers coverage or how “stacked” they r,

Yeah I figured you won’t like me using the word stack when talking about SoR. I did that cause I knew you were trying to troll me. Just thought I throw one back at you.

Please not this “your server is more stacked than mine” BS again… We’re ALL stacked. I thought that was apparent last time we had a BG/SoR/TC and JQ/X/X matchup…

Saying one server is more stacked than the others is like saying that 1500 is WAY more than 1499. As for coverage, in the past 2 months I think that BG has shown that they have the best overall coverage in WvW. Look at MoS. When BG has had a matchup against SoR or JQ there’s always been a good sized gap.

When it is a BG/SoR/JQ matchup, cross-server politics determines who the winner is. Anyone who would deny this clearly needs to start paying attention..

Gisei.5749:

WvW isn’t the place for GvG. Players wanting it, and WvW being the only place for it is completely irrelevant. It does not align with the stated Vision of what WvW is to be. It will not be supported, and any updates to WvW will not include any consideration for it.

Players need to quit arguing for it to be accepted in WvW, and start arguing for it to become an addition to GW2. The former is wasted time(it’s the internet). The later may obtain results, even if long term.

From what I’ve seen, players are arguing for GvG. It’s just that they end up having to fight for it on two fronts at this point:

1. For ANET to create the game mode.
2. For players to stop complaining about GvG in WvW so they can show that this game mode would be popular and successful.

Nice posts… I think it sums up the current GVG scene rather nicely.

Personally I don’t GVG, nor do I have any particular interest, but I’m just happy to see other people get excited about and have fun with something in the game. If it weren’t for user-created, user-run game modes like GVG, I would imagine WvW would have become pretty stale for most of us by now.

As I mentioned before, I don’t GvG nor does my guild, but I do know that a lot of the tactics that guilds we fight are developed out of GvG, so it does have an over-arching effect across all of WvW.

Cameron.2315:

stevie.4187:

BG now has Commander Kidinkk :0 yeyeye

How much did they pay you?

The rumor that I just made up says that BG War Council paid him 10,000g + an Eternity to move to BG in an agreement that he would continue to make videos and insert BG propaganda in each of them.

Chopps.5047:

Vanity is why there’s GvG. Some people (usually you’ll see them weilding multiple legendaries) have an innate need to feel superior to others.

Right, because wielding a legendary in open field combat invites the whole enemy zerg to show you how much of a noob you are.

<< knows from experience.

Trebs need ground targeting.

That is all.

So what exactly are you suggesting?

Let me just check and make sure I’m reading this correctly, and please do correct me if I’m wrong.

EXAMPLE:
Matchup: Server X- Fuchsia, Server Y-Yellow, Server Z-Aqua

Say my server is Fuchsia for the week, under your proposed idea when I am running around in WvW, Server Y’s enemy tag color would be Yellow, and Server Z’s tag color would be aqua? So in a 3-way battle, I know exactly without reading the tag which server the player I am attacking is from?

Or do you mean the armor color on low graphics? Player’s on Server X have fuchsia armor, Y yellow armor, Z aqua armor?

EDIT: Side note, color blind peoples would absolutely dread this change…

alcopaul.2156:

Jade Quarry reclaims #1

Too bad for those who left the server when it was in turmoil.

Having some people leave a server can actually help them out. It frees up queue space for the organized guilds to get more members in a map at the same time. You should note I’m not talking about a mass exodus ala HoD, just a couple guilds and/or a number of “fairweathers.”

Neutro.3079:

How can you tell, you weren’t even here!

If you didn’t want a comment attempting to explain that intelligent siege placement can hit a lot of siege inside towers and keeps, you shouldn’t have posted.

It’s just for a few days… honestly, most people interested in doing the activities you mentioned are already doing them.

Wilco.1458:

Crimson Riddles.3892:

Looks like SoR is pushing JQ pretty hard this week.

Needless to say, I think they’re kind of annoyed at us. So ticked off as to somehow sneak a peak at our map assignments before reset

Actually, most players on SoR I speak to hold both BG and JQ in high regards and respect the servers for what they are: WvW powerhouse servers.

If it feels like SoR is pushing JQ hard, it’s probably because of your top notch performance last week and they want to see where you’re really at in all respective timezones. Also, JQ does hold that #1 spot which everyone in this matchup is gunning for, so that could also be another reason why SoR might push JQ hard.

package.5147:

Shifty.4985:

mmmmm these ddos, great work whoever.

Where do you purchase your tin foil hats?

I don’t know about him, but I used to get mine from Walmart, but I have recently switched over to a local grocery store because they use fewer cameras and don’t have corporate spies working for the CIA in an attempt to contaminate the tinfoil supply with Nano probes they use to probe people’s brains.

I would like to congratulate JQ on their victory last week. Boy I had my doubts in the prior weeks (especially during the few that you were down in T2), but you guys really pulled through that one and came back to T1 swinging!

Keep up the nice work everyone!

Clock

SFShinigami.2015:

PRAISE JEDSUS!

Tomorrow I fear I might be returning to my job as BG and SoR’s marriage counselor…

Then tomorrow I wage WAR on the pyramid scheme you call a church.

Hugs and Kisses,

Clock

SoPP.7034:

Dear BG and SoR

Thanks for the match up this week.

Many on JQ were unsure of our future when we went into the match up against FA and TC a few weeks back. JQ had lost a number of players and many of us asked ‘what is JQ?’

Since then JQ has taken stock and come to appreciate even more what BG and SoR has to offer, concurrently being appreciative of what other servers have given us.
TC showed us again what good communities can do and how to win without winning. We learnt a lot from FA too and their fighting spirit, their ‘If it’s red, it’s dead’ policy that upset many dolyak, but they kept fighting no matter what Respect. Even Mags taught us what real trolls are and how to fight!

It was good JQ took a break and met other servers, we learnt a lot. It also gave us space to find ourselves again and think what does tier 1 mean to us. Many of us now have renewed vigour and understanding, we come back to BG and SoR with open arms.

JQ wins this week but it’s not the guarantee that it once, but that’s ok. JQ has come to appreciate even more the fights that BG and SoR put out. While trolls will do their thing, the veteran players take it to the field and the more balanced of us see how the current tier 1 match-up is the most dynamic we’ve seen (since launch?).

It’s a love hate relationship, but deep down inside we all love this match up. Respect to our BG and SoR brethren. To our next match together and future fights!

<3

Lovely post. See you on the field, and best of luck to you and your JQ brethren.

Clock

Fuzzion.2504:

ALso why are there so many rabbits in wvw?

Not enough for some D/P Thiefs….

Direwind.8409:

I have an 80 warrior, thief, Mesmer, Guardian, Ranger

I have spent £32 per class on gems to turn into gold so I could gear them with afew sets each of exoitcs, because im lazy.

now I don’t think im the only one crazy enough to do that.

Nope. I know quite a few GMs who put 20-100$ into gems per month just to buy siege.

Starscream.7803:

Meh, you guys are not giving me much to work with at the moment.

Intentionally, even.

Starscream.7803:

Seigfried.5938:

Jahn.7019:

Vash.9183:

Jahn.7019:

MagiKarp.8201:

#SoRtastic.

Classic SoR.

You should stick to getting banned from your own TS more.

Classic Magikarp. Annoys even his own server to the point of banishment.

Lol? Why does SoR always seem to know more about the inner-workings of BG than we do. What you said hasn’t even happened. Do you believe everything you hear?

You’d be surprised by how many BG are very friendly with SoR and vice versa, just because the forum trolls hate each other doesn’t mean the actual players on the server do, though we all had a good laugh about it when we heard.

Does anyone else see the irony in this post?

Is the irony in this post that IRON and SoR never trolls and its only BG that starts it all?

ALSO, Iron never wipes ever, every pic I have seen as “proof” is clearly photo shopped. Try harder trolls.

I clearly remember IRON wiping on Sunday afternoon while I was running with them. It was on EB, in the area just past the hyleks on the “green side” of the map. Maybe you weren’t there?

SpehssMehreen.5897:

Azure.8412:

Crimson Riddles.3892:

Jahn.7019:

Crimson Riddles.3892:

Jahn.7019:

MagiKarp.8201:

I can tell you this, if SoR and BG 2v1’d JQ during SEA you would see the same result as we’re seeing this week, happens to all of us.

JQ SEA is not as big as people believe, JQ gets away with a lot through the BG / SoR hatred and the fact all JQ flock behind Waha and it is a map zerg no matter the time Waha could command a map queue through EU into EST NA if he chose to. All our SEA’s are the relatively the same size you delude yourselves into thinking they aren’t.

NYS, SAHP, SONG, GC, HiRE, OCX, IRON, XPK

ATM, Ge, GGYY, FOO,

MERC, ND, TKG, WM, CA, Thai, XF, NOC

I’m sure this is in incomplete list, but I’m going off the “Appears in WvW more than once a week”

If you ran through the numbers on any given night one can queue more maps than the other. From what I’ve seen the only map BG has been capable of a queue on all week has been the map with the MERC float in it.

NYS, MERC, ATM et al are big guilds capable of fielding big numbers but all it takes is a 2v1 during SEA to make it all come crumbling down, this isn’t because numbers but because these 3 guilds are incredibly skilled and the numbers issue comes into play because sure you can wipe one of them, but you cannot wipe them both effectively in order to defend your objective, you engage NYS outside Woodhaven, ATM is already hitting garrison or Cragtop, the same would happen on any BL.

I note; notice nights if MERC, ATM or NYS don’t show up (very rare) which ever of these 3 doesn’t turn up the respective server usually gets rolled.

Most of SoR’s SEA will play 3-4 hours and half the list is of 20 mans. BG and even JQ’s SEA are all larger guilds that put out at least 40ppl and play at least 6-8 hours with MERC playing 12-15 hours. The point you are trying to make is invalid.

And you left MEOW off your list of BG.

He also left out AFS from SoR.

AFS is basically GC. So he got it right the first time for the SoR list.

That’s too bad, sad to see the internal drama spreading throughout the SEA guilds on SoR.

Please substantiate your claim with evidence.

Lol, another dude caught lying for bg, hmmmm, his name seems familiar though a_a

LOL. I think it’s pretty well known that GC was originally a group that left AFS.

Just think of that situation for a minute.

Now tell me that there was zero drama involved with a group of people leaving a guild and starting their own. I would like you to tell me with absolute honesty if you think that can happen without there being any drama being involved.

Tarkus.4109:

Clockradio.3257:

Crimson Riddles.3892:

Oresh.4729:

the ranking between sor and jq is so close. Lets continue to steal bg fat ranking

I’d like to see a match-up where JQ doesn’t have SoR or vice versa…

Just had several weeks of BG/SoR/TC… For those with a short memory: BG won by a fair margin.

What I would like to see is JQ/SoR/Non-BG… I think then we would be able to see who’s the better number 2 at this point. MOS aside, I still think that BG is the top server… Too many cross-server politics interfering with this weeks matchup.

No kidding. Hopefully with our rating going down this week it might even happen. Tbh I wouldnt mind seeing a TC/JQ/SOR matchup as it would firstly give us a break, and secondly it would be interesting seeing JQ SEA vs SOR SEA without us being in the picture. My bets on Waha.

I would tend to agree with you.

Crimson Riddles.3892:

Oresh.4729:

the ranking between sor and jq is so close. Lets continue to steal bg fat ranking

I’d like to see a match-up where JQ doesn’t have SoR or vice versa…

Just had several weeks of BG/SoR/TC… For those with a short memory: BG won by a fair margin.

What I would like to see is JQ/SoR/Non-BG… I think then we would be able to see who’s the better number 2 at this point. MOS aside, I still think that BG is the top server… Too many cross-server politics interfering with this weeks matchup.

Tarkus.4109:

Clockradio.3257:

MagiKarp.8201:

Classic SoR.

#SoR
#unsubstantiated

Always outnumbered, Never wipe, Knows more about BG than we do.

Just saying, I think I’ve seen EVERY guild on SoR (or JQ/BG for that matter) wipe at one point or another. Some wipe more than others, but that’s just the reality of it.

For any guild to claim that they have NEVER wiped is simply ridiculous.

I don’t think he was claiming that we never wipe, it is more commenting on stars posts saying that IRON never wipes which are just troll posts. Everyone wipes at some point, if you don’t wipe occasionally you obviously aren’t trying hard enough in WvW to be either focused by a blob or for your enemy to put up a decent defense with a butt-load of seige.

I didn’t mean to insinuate that Magikarp was saying MERC never wipes, I was just pointing out it’s ridiculous for any guild to say they never wipe. IRON included.