Guild Wars 2

Just wait and see.

A 3,25 second reflect seems a bit much, really. It is only on a 15 second cooldown, which can go down to 12.

Why not give it 50% chance to reflect, which you can upgrade to 75% by taking Sharpened Axes?

MOAR HYPE

Well, I’d definitely encourage this. It always seemed strange to me as to why all other classes have stickied guides where warrior does not. Even though, like you said, there are good guides out there. Take Miku’s PvE guide for example. He is still forced to bump it every now and then to keep it up.

Juba.8406:

Well for Hype yes everyone gonna play Revenant.

in what we have seen so far, Revenant could be a great candidate for WvW zerging, but in roaming i dont think so, it seems to have less mobility than even a Guardian.

This.

But we don’t know a lot right now, so they might get help in that department. The horror would be that they do get mobility, but on some lame condi spec.

I guess many people in this topic play warrior because of Blacktruth.

But yeah, smashing stuff with hammer is great. I also really like greatsword. And warrior has the best aesthetics.

Caedmon.6798:

it’s such fun indeed.

This.

I actually run something similar also, but with 4 in Arms and Disc to get more crit on my burst skill so you don’t have to pack Intelligence. Most damage in this build usually comes from Volley and Whirlwind anyway in my experience, sometimes even Rush (can crit for 8k easy, lol).

How can you possibly answer this without having played either Revenant or warrior post expansion?

Just try both.

YuiRS.8129:

In my opinion the Greatbow build is much better than those. Or Tarcis’ Longbow/GS build. Or w/e you want to call that one.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fJAQJARTjMd0FaVImhwJagfgC7t3C2CA1zRuXGA-TpBHwAMLDQ4IAU4CAA4BA0a/hBHCAA

It offers a lot of armor and good burst with AA into GS swap+dodge+Arcing Slice. Great Fury uptime allows you to deal good damage outside of Sigil of Intelligence swaps. You can replace Valk Amulet with Soldier’s, but the damage drops considerably. It uses triple Stances, because you don’t really need to land 100b to kill people, it’s just there to cleave or punish people who think they can tank you.

Now, I love this build to bits. You need skill to play it, landing your skills is crucial and extremely rewarding, it’s good in team fights and solo. The problem is total lack of support for your team, which is why it’s worse than shoutbow, but I think it’s one of the best fighting builds in the Warrior’s kitten nal right now. < really? ?rsenal is a curse word now?

I really don’t see how that 1 point in Strength is better then one extra point in defense to get Defy Pain, or even Last stand. That gets you additional vigor which would already neutralize the burst skill endurance regen, and then you have the extra EP/stability…

Blacktruth can be a bit… provocative.

The thing is, you were saying how Vaanss was basically running away until he got a clean shot. In my opinion, he totally outplayed them on a build that had just enough sustain in that situation if you play it as well as he does.

Off course the vid only shows his successes, and, outside of dueling, they will probably be lower in number then his failures.

The skill needs a buff. Projectile speed would help, shorter casttime too. Damage and Cripple seem fine and are quite useful.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Hello Warriors,

I have a question.

If a Warrior hit a Thief for 14k crit damage with Kill Shot, what’s the first thing that comes to your mind?

How much did the thief backstab the warrior for? From Stealth, mind.

BurrTheKing.8571:

In addition to all of the info already given, I have a feeling no two classes will be getting the same new weapon. So far we know:

Ranger – Staff
Engi – Hammer
Mesmer – Shield
Necro – GS
Guardian – Longbow (supposedly, hinted in a WvW video)

So far there is no overlap. If I had to guess I would say that no classes will be getting new primary 1 handers. They had an interview where they tried to drive home the fact that if you don’t get a 2 hander that the final 2 skills will be very impactful on the offhands.

This sounds like an educated guess. Still a guess.

Say it’s true, then Dagger and Pistol remain the most likely options.

I really don’t care. Just give me a new weapon already.

Caedmon.6798:

He ran across half the map “fighting” 2 guys,i know Vaans is a great player,but you have to be serious..the build has no sustain whatsoever.No cleansin ire,no dogged march,no adren hp,no safety for condi spamm neither,fun build to play..but really there’s 0 sustain besides having ep.

The build has just enough sustain to do what needs to be done; kill. The fun comes from trying to do that to them before they manage to do it to you. And Vaanss has a lot of fun.

SpiritSpeakerOfHoelbrak.3980:

BlackTruth.6813:

By stating “I submit” you may as well have said you’re not good enough in all honesty.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that considering not many people can handle completely melee specs on Warrior.

Better luck next time I guess. Some people are fated to stagnate and some people are fated to evolve, pretty much all there is to it.

Look Black, thinly veiled insults won’t get you more subscribers on your twitch channel. Learning to be better at a computer game is easy. Maybe it’s time to work on being a better person. I don’t believe for one moment that you’re a “kitten human being” as you state on your twitch channel.

I’m not perfect and have fallen into this behavior myself at times. Just saying you’ll do far more for yourself and the warrior community by not falling into the habit of trolling people.

Maybe put that experience to good use rather than posting petty comments that serve to self inflate the ego.

This is a rare post.

Scoobaniec.9561:

bait

inb4 this game doesn’t revolve around 1v1.

You seem to mostly focus on hambow when you say you have trouble with thieves, so I’ll focus my comment on that. Note that Axebow does significantly better against a thief in 1v1 IMO, as your auto attacks with axe are fast and painful.

The key to pressuring a thief is not hammer, but longbow. try to have the longbow field up at all times. When you have baited out some of his defense, try using Hammer 4 to initiate a stun combo. Hammer 4 is the quickest and least telegraphed of the CC skills on hammer. Hammer 3, when paired with Leg specialist, is also quite good in this regard.

Another piece of advice, especially when fighting s/d thieves, is not to unload all of your combo in one try. Most thieves might get hit with the second skill, but will surely stunbreak and dodge before you can hit a third. Therefore, a good combo would be something like Hammer4>5>auto attack. That way, when you miss the auto attack due to him stunbreaking out of your combo, you still have Hammer 3 and Earthshaker to start off a new combo.

Off course, timing your berserker stance correct is crucial to ever hit the thief. You can not allow yourself to press it early, as the thief will have remaining defenses to counter any combo.

Pindown against a thief should be somewhat useless unless you can bait out withdraw and manage to hit it quickly after.

All in all, S/D thieves probably do pretty well most of the time against hambow.

BurrTheKing.8571:

I’m actually managing to find enjoyment in Shoutbow

No harm then.

Encross.1726:

This build is far too squishy and has little sustain.

Then stay away from it for sure.

Don’t compare our stability to a guardian, can’t really be done.

You can compare DS to BS though.
DS: 60 second cooldown, 180 toughness (if you don’t use it), 10 stacks of stability.
BS: 40 second cooldown, swiftness bonus, 5 stacks of stability.

If you would simply multiply by cooldown, Balanced Stance should have 2/3 of the stacks of DS, so ~7. So that means comparing the swiftness to 180 toughness. Keep in mind that the toughness is lost upon using DS. So when you use the skill, DS gets you 5 extra stacks of stability whereas BS gets you swiftness and 20 seconds lower cooldown.

The question you need to ask yourself, is whether or not you will need an additional 5 stacks during the 8 seconds the skill is active. Keep in mind that a lot of people won’t waste their CC on you if they know they can just ignore you for 8 seconds, then CC the crap out of you. The only situations in which you would need those extra stacks, IMO, is either large group fighting in WvW or maybe teamfights in PvP. So, if you opt to do much of those, go with DS for sure.

There will still be merit to running both BS and DS, for the same reasons as before.

The problem I see, is that DS has a cooldown reduction trait, and a significant one at that. 48 second cooldown vs 40 second cooldown suddenly makes BS look incredibly inferior. Because let’s face it, you take either skill primarily for the stability, and at a 48 second cooldown, DS will provide it arguably better.

A solution to this would be to either buff the stacks of Balanced Stance – 7 seems like a good starting point – or reduce the cooldown to 30-35 seconds.

This topic is trying to make ‘Fear Me’ into a real skill.

Maybe Stronghold will help you out Burr.

Meanwhile, just say goodbye to PvP entirely and just have fun only.

nicknamenick.2437:

and something boring like set yourself on fire..

Ever tried it?

Your build, including utilities, is fine. I would definitely use -condi duration food if i wasn’t using Zerk Stance, so be sure to get some of that.

Also, Dolyak Signet gives 180 toughness, not 100.

If you still find yourself underperforming (when not fighting in a zerg), it will probably be because you need more practice and knowledge of what other classes can do. I still learn new stuff pretty much every time I play.

Sumusikoo.1360:

Well, I’ve done a few changes, changed a couple of berserk part for knights (since IMO toughness > vitality and you get 10% toughness as power) and this way at least I have 3.1k armor 20750 HP and 2.1k power unbuffed (no food) with +4% pw from vit and 5% from tough I get to 2.4k power and I still have space for +1 buff and I don’t even have the WvW buffs on me.

I also got 42% crit chance unbuffed and 192% ferocity.

I also do take the take no damage skill since I find it helps quite a lot against most players that don’t play condi builds and in zergs its amazing since AoE doesn’t usually do condi damage

Seems to do decently well on roaming/GvG, of course I could be way better at both but It still allows me to perform well with some nice damage, although I need to try and get some more critical chance

Can you show your current build?

42% unbuffed crit chance seems quite decent to me. Power seems a bit low, whereas toughness and vitality are fine. I agree in that toughness>vitality, especially on warrior, though in zerg fights more vitality can’t hurt. Especially if you use Defiant Stance as your heal.

By all means, use endure pain. Tbh, the third utility skill in my build (Dolyak Signet) is interchangeable in my opinion. I usually slot Dolyak, but Endure Pain or Signet of Stamina are great situational skills. Even Bull’s Rush to catch up to somebody, or Fear Me to make sure that nasty thief can’t Refuge on you, are quite good.

The hype is real.

Sumusikoo.1360:

That’s what bothers me the most, is finding a build that I enjoy playing and that is good for both 1v1/1v2/5v5 and for zerging >.<

If I had to pick the one that my build is suited for most, it would be 1v2. In 1v1 it is quite strong, but warrior can focus on dueling more then my build does. For 5v5 it is decent, mostly because of the area cc that hammer provides.

You need to let go of this idea though. You can not find a build that is good at everything. Mediocre, sure, but not good. If you insist on doing all variants of combat in WvW, get variable gear.

Sagramor.7395:

Cygnus.6903:

Try my Critical Hammer build. It’s on my channel, link in my sig.

Truth be told, if I had Hoelbrak I’d be running this instead of Berserkers Power. Glad you finally made a build video.

Always nice to hear!

Sumusikoo.1360:

Cygnus.6903:

Try my Critical Hammer build. It’s on my channel, link in my sig.

This build is exactly what I’m looking for.

How do you use it on zergs though? Being full zerker makes you extremely squishy.

Watching your videos and you tank so much harder than I do despite me having more armor/vitality, kitten

Shooting myself in the foot here when I say I’m not sure my build is for you exactly. If you are aiming to do well in both solo and small group (max 5) roaming, my build is definitely a good way to achieve that.
On a side note, my build is not full zerk. It has two knights rings, a cavalier accessory and a soldiers accessory. I come from running full zerk mostly, so I feel quite tanky in most encounters.

However, it is not built for zerging. The thing is, in most zergs, you are expected to be a frontline CC machine while cleansing condis and healing through shouts. The meta shouthorn/hammer build does that way better then my build. Also, you will probably need a lot more vitality and a bit more toughness to last in those front lines, as the AoE pressure is quite heavy usually.

I hardly ever run with any zerg, but sometimes I do participate in large scale battles. I tend to stick by the sidelines, picking off stragglers that overextended from their zerg core. Hammer/GS is perfectly suited for this, although Destroyer Warrior probably does it better (Axe/Sh/GS).

This all being said, you will probably want to have two builds to pick from (and probably two sets of armor). Hoelbrak on zerk and Trooper on soldiers (?) seems like good choices.

Try my Critical Hammer build. It’s on my channel, link in my sig.

These wings are fugly.

If anything, skullcrack gets better.

Stability is getting the nerf here, and so is warrior.

BlackTruth.6813:

Also, try to stay away from the Warrior forums and watch my stream, Tarcis, or ROM if you want to get better at PvP.

People on this forums don’t do anything but complain.

The self-fulfilling prophecy.

Can’t watch the vid right now, but your build seems very good to me. However, why do you use intelligence on GS? Wouldn’t Air be way better here?

Yep. The only thing that worries me right now is that they say there will only be two lanes. I’d say three lanes would be more challenging and would open up more diverse tactics.

choovanski.5462:

the traveler runes are still a total waste when warrior’s sprint is available. you can make space with GS easily, the 25% speed on longbow is just not worth sacrificing a might stacking rune. more damage means you dont need to kite as much.

S/S as i may have said before is far superior to GS when running cele. it gives more condis, spike power damage, a block, and still retains mobility. sure some speed is lost, but you gain more damage and utility while still having good mobility.

Only sword #2 for mobility is quite poor, actually.

And s/s longbow is better for pure condi IMO. If you want to use a sword, might as well get sword warhorn, the Acrobat;

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fJAQNBMhNakpjyQ7CxKEORDkEUoH9MoEOGAFgyvo0B-TlSDwAvV/hyhAoyJAoryvFKBBpPAgJoBPAAJHBAa7PEA4AghHe4hHOZAW2CA-w

Well, I guess it boils down to how important added speed will be.

Anyway, I am looking forward to it. Regular PvP is incredibly boring to me.

Assassin X.8573:

You are changing my words a bit. I dont say that it is useless. I say its less useful to me. There is a huge difference between something being less useful than another thing and something being useless.

I don’t think I am.

Assassin X.8573:

If my oppon e nt does not get me to the threshold of activation for defy pain, then i have something that is not being used at all in my build. If my opponent hits me with a 1s stun then my l a st stand activates to clear it. And then i get 3-4s kd/cc once the stab is gone, then what good is that?

How else can interpret this then you saying the trait is useless (in those situations)? Which, as I explained earlier, even in those situations, they really aren’t.

Anyway, semanthics. I did gather that you were underestimating the traits, either ‘useless’ or ‘less useful’. You asked what good the trait was in that situation, and I tried to explain that.

Assassin X.8573:

Im not arguing which trait would make the build stronger, and i agree that a damage mitigating trait would most likely be good regardless of how a battle progresses as opposed to taking that said damage straight to the face and hoping you dont die.

But…but… trying to make builds better is the entire point, right? If you would argue about it, and find out, hypothetically, that your build is inferior, why would you not tweak it? Other then to get the ‘challenge’, off course.

BurrTheKing.8571:

Stuff

1, 2. The longbow dependancy is real, but your solutions are not the right direction IMO. CI to proc just on spending adrenaline? That’s awful and braindead indeed. Brawler’s Recovery is already strong as is, and if you could combine it with some other decent condi removal, CI is no longer mandatory for condition cleansing.

The real problem here is that there is no trait that can actually provide for you what CI can; condition cleansing and adrenaline gain. If you can forgo CI’s condi cleansing by taking BR and, say, Signet of Stamina, then you still need to get adrenaline build up. But you already spent 6 trait points and a utility to cover one of the two…

So what we need, is a low investment way to get better condition cleansing. The most obvious way here would be to finally buff Mending, and buff it good. Make it a Physical skill that’s affected by the Strength CD reduction trait. A 16 second cooldown would mean a ~320 HPS healing skill if you use it off cooldown (which you won’t, so actual healing will be less). Now, you can pick up Restorative Strength, and go 6 into Strength while maintaining ways to sustain yourself against conditions. This also somewhat adresses your second point.

About Fast Hands, this trait is just too good to pass up unless you spec into some boring condi shout horror. Making it the Adept minor trait would definitely be a step into the right direction, but the incredible wave of QQ is incredible. If this would be a class mechanic, even worse. You would probably end up having to nerf warrior in other areas as they could now spend trait points better (thus becoming overall more powerful). Still, that would be a tradeoff I’d be willing to make.

2. We need to realise that not all skills can be viable in all game modes. If one would buff Mending like I mentioned, why would you use it in PvE? Same goes for Defiant Stance, aside from some trollish stuff, it just has no place in PvP. Whereas in PvE, and surely in WvW large scale battles, it is a great skill to have.
Healing Surge is a problem though, as it isn’t viable anywhere. You can not even use it to get full adrenaline before you enter a fight as you instantly lose it all again. They broke quite a few traits and skills with the adrenaline butchering, and they still didn’t fix them. But HS was bad before that. The mechanic is interesting but, in it’s current form, badly executed.

3. My estimate is that another 40+ topics must be made about this before it gets fixed.

4. Stances are fine IMO. Easy and unchallenging, but you can not easily turn this into something challenging without breaking stances alltogether. And unstrippable stability seems like a bad idea.

5. Agree for the most part. They should start with the GM traits being so bad. I mean, you would take Burst Precision to save you from using an intelligence sigil and getting the benefit of versatility in when you use your burst skill (and still get the crit). Is this worth sacrificing 6 trait points/Berserker’s Power over? Don’t think so.

Short Temper is fine IMO though. Granted, situational, but in those situations it is an insane trait. Really helps to cut through bunkers.

This is strange indeed. I mean, Purple Miku has an excellent guide for PvE content for one.

But I don’t think anybody made a thread for warrior builds other then that really. Maybe just one specific build, like Skullcracker, but nothing like the mesmer forum for instance.

mPascoal.4258:

I can see GS/Hammer get more popular than Sword/GS. You will move faster for sure but the CC Hammer provides gives more to the table than the mobility Sword gives

It brings more to the table in teamfights, the question is if that will be the focus. Sword gets you incredible speed, and you can combine it with Warhorn for vigor, permaswiftness, weakness application and a blast finisher for teamfights. This game mode will be like a GW2 MOBA, so a character that can push and still be there in time for the teamfight might be essential.

All speculation, but it seems GS will definitely have a place in Stronghold.

For sure Stronghold will open up new builds. Sword/GS builds will probably be one of the first that gets popular. You can quickly down other roamers with Sword burst+HB, aid in downing NPC’s with GS damage and move around the map at an almost uncontested speed (only thieves are faster). So yeah, a warrior roaming spec will probably be viable in that game mode.

It definitely has no spot in WvW, as you have 0 mobility. Even in a zerg fight, you need to get around.

Also, reflect.

Assassin X.8573:

If that is how you perceive it to be then, yes.

If i were to rank the usefulness of those traits, i would say defy >spiked >last stand.

If my oppon e nt does not get me to the threshold of activation for defy pain, then i have something that is not being used at all in my build. If my opponent hits me with a 1s stun then my l a st stand activates to clear it. And then i get 3-4s kd/cc once the stab is gone, then what good is that?

Spiked has a low threshold of activation and provides damage back to the opponent. If they do not realize they are tak i ng retaliation damage before its too late, then well its too late for them.

Yeah, we just disagree here. Defy>LS>SA in my book.

Yet, you do undervaluate last stand. You say the enemy can bait out the last stand by using a 1 sec CC, then not use any CC anymore for 8 seconds. How can you not see the usefulness here? Obviously, you get an 8 second window to do anything you like without getting CC’d. If your opponent manages to kite you or otherwise juke and you can not capitalize, then you got outplayed. Nothing to do with the trait itself here. You can actually wait with activating stability through utility skills because of the trait.

You say if Defy Pain never kicks in, meaning you never got to 25% health, then it is useless in your build. Again, this seems like a misconception to me. First of all, if you manage to never get below 25% in the fight, then I doubt the choice between SA or DP would have mattered at all. Most importantly though, Defy Pain allows you to remain on the offense with low HP. It does not have to be at 25% to be useful, simply because you know you have a fallback system.

You are willing to trade these advantages for what is going to be mediocre damage (at best). Retaliation, at your power level, will do ~220 damage per hit. If you get hit once every second during your retal uptime, that’s 1,1k damage. Seems quite underwhelming to me.
Sure, there will be opponents with high attack speed. Lets take a p/d thief for example. Sneak Attack does five hits in a short duration. However, the thief also stealths a lot (3-4 seconds per CnD), which hinders your useful retal uptime a lot. Not to mention they might actually steal the retaliation from you.
A longbow ranger Rapid Firing you will gladly take a little damage if that means you dodged none of his damage.
This is the main problem, your retaliation will be underperforming if you manage to dodge hard and multiple hitting attacks.

If you still want more damage, then dropping the 1 trait point in Defense for 1 in Arms would still be a lot better.

It’s… I don’t know what you intend to do with it?

You have no sustain. A few blocks, but nothing else.

You say you have CI for condi cleanse, yet in the build link you didn’t slot it.

No fast hands is a bad idea.

Double sigil of impact does not stack.

Having mace as main hand in both sets is a bad idea, as you won’t get the benefit of having skills readily available on weapon swap. The cooldown does not reset if it’s the same weapon.

Sigil of bloodlust in PvP is bad, as you die regularly (and if you don’t you won’t need 250 power to win).

Signets are good in their own right, but speccing 5 signets is generally inferior.

I don’t know what else to say right now.

GG son.

This should help;

http://metabattle.com/wiki/MetaBattle_Wiki

General build layout is there.

Hambow is an on point teamfighter. They generally take tanky amulets (celestial or soldier) but you can go zerk, depending on team comp. You are capable of staying in the middle of a fight with stances to back you up, dish out heavy AoE pressure through longbow and hammer burst, and CC croups of players with hammer. Stack aoe might continuously by combining the longbow burst skill with longbow #3, hammer burst (execute them inside your fire field for stacks of might) and any other combo’s you have available. If you want to learn more about combo fields, I suggest just taking a look at the gw2wiki.

So… bye then?

So this guy used a condispec to beat two GS warriors in PvP?

Assassin X.8573:

It is just my opinion that by opting out of utilizing those traits, i force myself to have to play smarter and better than my opponents.

What you’re saying here sounds like you pick SA to intentionally make your build weaker to get more of a challenge.

Assassin X.8573:

Constructive conversation

Good points, just want to reply once more.

Spiked Armor over EP/LS because it adds pressure, meh. Again, such low power means the pressure from at best 50% uptime retaliation is mediocre.

Saying EP and LS are passive as an argument is moot, as Spiked Armor is precisely as passive as those other two traits. I do not see how Spiked Armor requires more skill, as you still do nothing to activate it.

Whereas Endure Pain adds something incredibly valuable to this build IMO. LongbowGS traditionally lacks active defense other then Whirlwind and the blind arrow. Endure Pain, being a crutch, somewhat mitigates this problem. It also allows you to stay on the offense when you notice your HP dropping, as you know you will always have those 4 seconds of direct damage immunity.

About the might stacking, off course you still stack it. But without any added duration, you will miss out on the higher stackcount you could achieve. This is part of the reason why Hoelbrak would be better.