Guild Wars 2

Julie Yann.5379:

Having the healing signet passive not lose its effect when it gets activated would probably make it viable without any increase to passive or active.

The Elementalist one heals three times more and has that feature already with a trait.

Navzar.2938:

Daecollo.9578:

Navzar.2938:

I didn’t say it should NEED healing power to be decent, I said you shouldn’t expect strong heals without healing power. Right now healing power doesn’t do it’s job in improving the signet well enough, and that’s a problem. If you just increase the base and reduce the scaling further, than healing power is basically pointless. That’s saying “I want to be able to heal well without sacrificing any specs into something else.”

And once again, a passive heal will always be weak and out of place on a glass cannon.
As for someone going P/V/T or V/P/T, they’re already choosing to have high hp instead of low hp and strong heals. If they have high hp, then they should only have moderate heals.

You /should/ expect strong heals without healing power, Healing power should make an already stronger heal stronger, just like toughness makes an already boon protected bunker more durable, it should be a BONUS not a REQUIREMENT.

Yes well as it is that healing power is barely making the passive stronger at 3.3% scaling.

Ah and I just realized that in my earlier post, I didn’t specify that I was talking about the passive base healing, not the on demand healing. The signet’s base passive heal is as good as ele’s, war just doesn’t have as good damage mitigation.

Excuse me… What?

The Elementalist one procs every time they’re traits proc, every time they use a spell, and every time they use a utility and every time they create a combo field or there traits proc spells… and it heals for MORE then the Warrior one…

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Healing_Signet
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Signet_of_Restoration
SoR – Healing per cast: 202 (0.1)?
HS – Healing: 200 (0.033)? per second.

Not only DOES it heal for far more, it has 3 times better scaling in healing power. Some times Ele can cast 3-4 spells at the same time.

To make it even CLOSE to a comparison, it should be like this:
HS – Healing: 500 (0.2)? per second. (it was 600, but 500 would be moreso what it would be.)

Please come back and speak when you actually tested things out and know what your talking about.

I really hate to say this, but HS needs to either be POWERFUL or be harder to heal with, it needs to be something passively active like: Heal’s per cast Or when you gain a strike of adrenaline since we don’t cast nearly as many things as Elementalist.

Not only all that, but they can have both the active AND the passive at the same time… (It needs to be buffed to be on par to the other healing signets, and I think “Healing Per Second.” is lazy.)

Navzar.2938:

I didn’t say it should NEED healing power to be decent, I said you shouldn’t expect strong heals without healing power. Right now healing power doesn’t do it’s job in improving the signet well enough, and that’s a problem. If you just increase the base and reduce the scaling further, than healing power is basically pointless. That’s saying “I want to be able to heal well without sacrificing any specs into something else.”

And once again, a passive heal will always be weak and out of place on a glass cannon.
As for someone going P/V/T or V/P/T, they’re already choosing to have high hp instead of low hp and strong heals. If they have high hp, then they should only have moderate heals.

You /should/ expect strong heals without healing power, Healing power should make an already stronger heal stronger, just like toughness makes an already boon protected bunker more durable, it should be a BONUS not a REQUIREMENT.

Leo G.4501:

Daecollo.9578:

If a skill “NEEDS” a stat to be decent, then it “NEEDS” help, when you design a healing skill it should be good without any help, and be better with help.

And that is the case, as per Jon’s post. It’s just that healing in and of itself doesn’t scale well which is an intrinsic problem with healing and not isolated to Healing Signet.

Even healing 400 HPS, you’re still going to die without proper mitigation tools. If you could build for healing power to get 400 HPS out of the signet, at least you’ll have some toughness or vitality to back the improved healing.

What does that leave for people in Soldier’s gear or Sentinel’s gear then? They are bunkers (not really without protection…) too, HP shouldn’t be the all-time stat, HP should offer a bonus, not make or break an ability.

Navzar.2938:

Adrenal health is per 3 seconds. So that’s a huge difference in your calculations.

Anyway, I don’t understand why Jon wants to raise the base healing? If a player doesn’t put anything into healing power, then it shouldn’t be healing overly well. the buff should be in the heal power scaling, not the base.

If players really think it should have a place in a glass cannon gs build, then you’d think that would be by having a higher on activation healing and higher cd. Because honestly health regeneration doesn’t do much good if you’re running glass anyway because of the high amounts of damage you take.

If a skill “NEEDS” a stat to be decent, then it “NEEDS” help, when you design a healing skill it should be good without any help, and be better with help.

PvP Dailys are hard to do.

Who would you take to a tournament?

1 Ranger pet.
2 Warrior.

Mace really just needs an all-around faster recovery on its attacks, it should be as fast as the axe, Maces are NOT slow weapons.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S87kkS5m5Y

It would allow me to use my burst skill without having to worry about giving up my stuff if I had double the bar.

I’d rather really the passive on /Adrenal Health/ and healing signet be brought up, http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shield_Master + http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Missile_Deflection merged to make room for a new grandmaster trait that heals whenever you gain a strike of adrenaline.

Leo G.4501:

Daecollo.9578:

Leo G, you said before that Adrenal Health healed for 360 hp/s…

You didn’t read my post either. I’m looking at my post right now and I didn’t say that.

Nvm you actually corrected it.

Adrenal Health needs to heal per adrenal strike.
Healing Signet needs to be 463 hp/s. (to be on-par with necromancer’s minion.)

Leo G.4501:

Brutalistik.6473:

They just do not want to see a warrior become competitive / gain buffs.

..did…did you not read my other posts in the thread or something?

Leo G, you said before that Adrenal Health healed for 360 hp/s… I mean its obvious you don’t even play a warrior. I know you like ranger and they are very good, but rangers are in a VERY good place atm, please go back to the ranger forum.

None of my threads have anything to do with nerfing rangers, I just wanna buff warriors to be on-par with rangers.

I actually think ranger’s without a pet out damage warriors in pvp due to there attacks being a lot more mobile and far easier to hit with.

Each point in the brawn tree should give 3.3% extra adrenaline (Max 100%.)

Could make even higher burst/better traits since its more of a chore to fill the bar.

Our Toughness 5 point trait should be +50% Endurance.

Signet of Stamina should be 200 hp/s.
Healing Signet should heal you for each strike of adrenaline you get.

Deep Strikes needs changed to not be useless at high levels and OPOPLOL at low levels.

Leo G.4501:

Sebrent.3625:

• Warriors also have access to Adrenal Health
  • Adrenal Health gives you 125 / 240 / 360 health per second based on how much adrenaline you have.

per 3 seconds….that’s 360 HP ever 3rd second.

125+240+360 / 3 = about 80.5 hp/s.

Cloud Stryfe.4058:

You want protection?ok so you can have the same hp pool of the guardian if you want it , I think that warrior can’t have more power – more hp – all the weapons and protection too… Well you can have it too but if Anet want that I think that they can delete the Guardian-class.

The guardians better trait placement, better traits, and superior skills and condition removal make up for the protection.

LieutenantGoogle.7326:

Protection boon is equivalent to 50% more armor

Actually more like 80-90%.

OoooooOOoooo Fills our Adrenaline bar! i’d almost care if it wasn’t always full anyways!

Sebrent.3625:

No worries, I’m well aware to ignore posts by that user. They allow us to see players’ post histories for a reason :-)

Warriors can gain 50% endurance regen with a utility (another signet, lol). Just a different way of getting it (different classes, go fig). There’s also vigor from an actual weapon skill.

Ranger has to again trait to get that vigor (on heal, on pet swap w/ birds or moas, on being crit). Again, different ways to get it for different classes.

Ranger’s massive amounts of evasion are tied to specific weapons. Just as warriors only have those blocks (MH mace, OH sword, shield), evasion (GSword), stuns/dazes/KDs (MH Mace, OH Mace, Hammer, Shield) on different weapons.

As far as who cares at 0 healing power? People who don’t use Celestial / Cleric / Apothecary / Magi gear.

As far as the differences at 1,500+ healing power…

1,500

• Healing Signet = 200 + (0.033 * 1,500) = 249.5
• Signet of the Wild 62 + (0.06 * 1,500) = 152
• Difference = 97.5 … SotW is 60.9% of HS

Your forgetting about the pet’s part of the heal.

Olba.5376:

Daecollo.9578:

Gain 5 seconds of retaliation and protection when you take more then 10% of your life in damage. (10 second cool-down.)

Yay, 2x Rune of Earth, 2x Rune of Monk, 2x Rune of Water and you get 100% uptime on protection if you trigger that thing.

Also, I think your wording there could use some fixing. Right now it sounds like we’d get Protection for losing 10% HP at any time, so long as the effect is not in cooldown. In comparison, effects like Instinctual Response specify that it has to be in a single hit. Also notice that Instinctual Response has a 60s cooldown on a 4s effect. You’re proposing a 10s cooldown on a 5s effect.

Your forgetting that IR isn’t a grand master trait, its a minor trait. Its also one of thieves worst traits, it kills them more then helps them, and your forgetting that the hit has to take away more then 10% of there life to proc it, meaning it procs after you take a huge hit. Even if you had x2 Runes of Monk/Water, 30 in vitality, x2 runes of water, you would still only have 70% Boon Duration, (meaning it would last 8.5 seconds.)

60 trait points, all your runes for /almost/ 100% uptime of protection sounds fair to me, it also doesn’t proc less you take over 10% damage, meaning it won’t proc off condition specs easilly.

Your also forgetting all the ‘boon hate.’ going around now.

Ranger, To much cleanse evade and swoop!
Elementalist, To much cleanse evade and RtL!
Guardian, To much cleanse evade and heals!

Bacon Please.8407:

Warlord.9074:

AlBundy.7851:

Shout healing is good group support? Did they delete Elementalists and Guardians this patch as well?

So in soldier’s gear you would be getting a lil over a thousand health per shout? Sounds terrible.

I think after launch shouts were doing 2k heals or so then that was nerfed into the ground.

my guardians rolls heal for almost 1700, I also run sigils of energy on each set so I can spam roll accomponied with my vigor I can also roll more often then warriors can shout.

The problem isn’t healing, it is sustain. We have no protection, the difference in heavy armor to light armor is hardly noticeable, no aegis boons. Our sustain are endure pain and shield stance. Both very circumstantial as you can still get crowd controlled in them, and have conditions applied.

I just want something to grant protection and I think I would be happy.

We also don’t have there condition removal, many people overlook this but its actually huge.

Spiked Armor
Gain 5 seconds of retaliation when you take more then 10% of your life in damage. (10 second cool-down.)
Gain health when you hit a target. (Heals for 80 health per hit at level 80.)
(Since retaliation counts as a hit, you heal from it as well.)

or

Gain 5 seconds of retaliation and protection when you take more then 10% of your life in damage. (10 second cool-down.)

Hammers need “something.”

Rangers can remove 3 conditions every 10 seconds, then switch out there pets, the conditions that go to there pets are immediately removed. (this is not an exploit, the pet is no longer there so the conditions are removed, the funny thing is the switching of pets is also 10 seconds, so they pretty much have 3 condition removals every 10s.)

The ranger’s healing spring produces a water combo field, which allows them and there allies to constantly cleanse conditions for 4 seconds.

Its sad that I know more about a ranger then an actual ranger.

If the signets are not a heal… why is it effected by healing power and its amount decreased by poison?

Lets just ignore the fact they get much better healing abilities, way more condition removal, double the armor (DUE TO PROTECTION.) a lot of evasion abilities that ignore damage and a pet. Plus your heal is a utility…

Sebrent.3625:

Just a little worse?! I need 2,300 healing power to get the same amount of health per second as you do with 0 healing power. That is not “just a little worse”.

To make it even simpler for you, 62 is only 31% of 200.

When a Ranger’s pet is dead, a large chunk of the Ranger’s dps is also dead. This is why Signet of Stone now gives the Ranger and their pet the same amount of toughness. They are essentially one entity in two bodies … and if you kill the primary body (the ranger) they both die. As such, it doesn’t make much sense to penalize the Ranger for this. They are already penalized in other ways for it.

Actually if you combine them both together its 183 hp/s. The warrior relies on only himself. He doesn’t have a pet.

Sebrent.3625:

I’m amused that not only are we having Warrior’s complain about this, but Jon Peters discussing that it may need a buff in builds without any +healing in them … this is why:

Warrior’s Healing Signet versus Ranger’s Signet of the Wild … with the actual numbers … not what Daecollo made up.

Healing Signet

• 200 per second.
• +0.033 per 1 healing power

Signet of the Wild

• Ranger Healing 62 per second
• Ranger +0.06 per 1 healing power
• Pet Healing 125 per second
• Pet +0.25 per 1 healing power

So with 0 healing power, the warrior is getting 200 – 62 = 138 more health per second than the Ranger and 200 – (62+125) = 13 more health per second than both the Ranger and their pet combined.

Now, Signet of the Wild does scale better with healing power, but to make up the 138 health per second difference, 138 / 0.06 = 2,300 healing power is how much would need … which is rather ridiculous.

I do not believe that the fact that it also heals the pet, a decent percentage of Ranger damage/utility, should be cause for it to heal the Ranger for less. Especially not 2,300 worth of healing power less.

The Ranger’s Pet is a big part of it, so you need to take in account BOTH of them together.

One it a utility slot, while the other is a healing slot. The funny thing is though, the ranger one is just “a little worse.”

In SPvP/WvWvW Toughness (Not Armor.) should also lower incoming damage of players by 0.01% per point.

Toughness seems a bit (not-on-par.) with its offensive counterparts and I think it should have a little more effect on the battle.

Toughness should also lower the amount that players damage in pvp or critical damage.

1 toughness should lower that by 0.01% per point.

This does not work for “Armor” however, only toughness.

Both of these need buffed or Warrior one needs to be moved to Utility. Warrior is one of the worst PvP classes in the game for a reason.

Run and leap at your foe, hitting them and nearby foes.

I think it should be like swoop or leap of faith. Greatsword should have mobility in there burst to compensate for loss of damage or effects.

When you use the elite skill for twilight for example you should cut the edge of reality, leaving a space between GW2 and real life. A Limousine comes out and then chuck norris as he instantly defeats everyone, instead of getting downed however, there characters are deleted and a fist comes through the screen instantly killing the player. Then you are awarded 1000g and a super model comes to your house to marry you.

Healing Signet alone is bad compared to the other heals, its base heal amount needs doubled, maybe something after that could be added to improve it even further since we don’t have access to protection. A developer coming here alone and telling us its trash just proves how useless the heal is at the moment.

Both Adrenaline Health and Healing Signet need upped to be on-par with the traits of other classes.

Adrenal Health should heal every time you gain a strike of adrenaline and be effected moreso by healing power, not over time. This makes the Warrior a bit harder to play while giving it viable self-healing.

“Tell me Mr. Anderson… what good is biggest damage… if you’re unable to live?”

When you die, you have the option to place a “bounty” on the target, you can pick them up at the beginning of the zone and see where that target is, if you defeat that target you get the money the player placed on his head.

If a target does an emote like /bow or any emote after you die. Your repairs are free.

Double-click to apply to a Weapon.
+30% chance to life steal on critical. (This effect cannot trigger more than once every 2 seconds.)

Player tests suggest a five-second cooldown, although the tool tip says it is two seconds.

Can you please look at this?

I think the cool-down could be reduced to 1 second as well.

Leo G.4501:

How hard would it be to make a fast-target cast option? Like, if you’re clicking a skill, it will cast it on whatever your cursor is hovered over? Basically, let my mouse pointer lock on to something without me clicking on it…

Of course it wouldn’t try locking onto anything if you’re moving the camera…

They already do that, I just want one for my current selected target.

Is there a way to make incentive not to zerg up?

Now that people see everyone, if you walk into a zerg you just die immediately.

A skill when it comes to mind should be made from the ground up without any stats and should be viable for all builds without any stats, stats should just “add-on” to what the current skill has, not make or break it.

First rule when you create an item, NEVER balance it around stats or it will fail.

The PvP Daily before was FUN. I never looked at it. Now it feels like I have to /grind/ and do exactly what it says, its NO longer fun.

Travlane.5948:

sorry. what is this?

Gear set.

Vitality/Power/Toughness

Anyone tried this? It seems like it would be fun.

LameFox.6349:

Earthshaker would be pathetic following a target. The ability to cram as many targets into it as possible by not needing one of them in the centre is one of the best things about it.

It also slows it down too. Since it only hits max of ‘5’ targets anyways.

Panda.1967:

Daecollo.9578:

It would be really fun for the necromancer staff too.

Under normal circumstances I would disagree with this suggestion… but after running staff necro today in Molten Alliance Facility… with fast-cast ground target inabled and throwing Marks at the wrong spots over and over again due to the camera spinning around on me the instant I tried to attack… Add it!

You can always turn it off. I just want the option.

The Discipline Tree no longer requires trait points. That should be its “Special.”

We have so many “required traits” in it, it does not make any sense that it should cost trait points. Warrior should be like Fighters in DnD/Pathfinder and get more traits to spend.

Endure Pain is useless against Mesmers really, most of there damage comes from staying in the fight longer (sustained).

The best weapon’s ive found against mesmer have been Sword. I’m dead serious. Mesmers don’t have much condition removal (just like us.) Sword also has a lot of low-cd leaps and spammable cripples. The weapon with it I find best is Mace, due to AOE pressure, AOE knockdown will knock down all the clones and the Mesmer too.

http://www.guildhead.com/skill-calc#mmRkMVV9dGGx0cRMkVsq

Use Precision/Condition Damage/Toughness Gear (Turtle’s Def=Dogged March.)

It would be really fun for the necromancer staff too.

Tyrannus Blade.3408:

Arcing Slice: Make it a gap closer with this animation courtesy of Knight Artorias.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/b200496c8bc864e4edff40986a11656f/tumblr_ml1qe3jFnF1qce7tgo1_500.gif
Dunno if it would make it useful but it would certainly make it awesome.

YES YES YES YES YES….

JUST YES.