Guild Wars 2

Since all signets are getting double power, shouldn’t this get a healing increase as well?

Yaki.9563:

peter.9024:

Also, it would devolve warriors into vit + toughness stacking monsters. You’d easily out regen guardians too.

We already easily out-regen guardians. By a huge margin.

You must be joking.

Guess I will never know:<

Merciless Hammer should additionally make hammer auto-attack combo finishers.

Hammer Swing
Combo Finisher: Projectile.

Hammer Bash
Combo Finisher: Projectile.

Hammer Smash
Combo Finisher: Blast.

This would give the hammer something unique of its own. The hammer hurts.

Sil.4560:

Didn’t they nerf Healing Signet in a past patch, or was that only the way it worked when downscaled? I agree it could use some help, although I’ll probably still stick with Healing Surge since it gives adrenaline.

Well it was healing for about the same amount it did at 80, but at 80 its healing is poor as heck.

oZii.2864:

I am wondering this also if it is a x2 increase to the heal then would it put it on a level with other signets of its type and could you see taking it over surge and mending? I havent done alot of research on healing signet just a little reading. I know for myself it is 125 per sec which is meh

I know, they weren’t really quite clear about it they just said they were doubling signets.

Are you going to improve the useless healing signets as well? Some of them are so weak compared to other classes healing options and warriors have little to no condition removal as well.

They could use a x2 buff, especially warriors healing signet.

Auesis.7301:

I’ve already given you video evidence that SoM is incredibly potent as a healing tool in another thread, “post-omnomberry pie nerf” as you always rant about. There is no speculation.

Sorry but that is for easy PvE. :<

Auesis.7301:

Because you can heal endlessly so long as you keep effectively putting out and avoiding punishment, something that cooldown-based heals do not enable. It’s fine where it is.

No you cannot, that is pure speculation, you couldn’t even heal endlessly with SoM+Old Omnomberry Pie, which healed for even more.

Auesis.7301:

Healing Power is a statistic, but the active heal from the Signet is not a stat akin to Power or Precision.

The actual description by the devs was that the 10+1 per level bonuses are now 20+2 per level, making the 90-stat bonuses effectively 180-stat bonuses. Nothing more.

Yes, but that means that the signets that need help like healing ones won’t get improved, so why take them over another slot?

Leo G.4501:

Daecollo.9578:

Leo G.4501:

Would you like to outline the implications of such a change?

No, why would I do that?

Then there’s really nothing to discuss if you basically just fart out an idea and don’t bother to think what it’d do.

It would help warriors sustain a lot. Which they need.

When they said they were doubling signets, did they mean they were also doubling the healing of worthless signets like “Healing Signet.”

The signet does need a x2 increase, its healing is pretty insignificant.

They said doubling the statistics, not the percents.

Healing is a statistic.

It wouldn’t make sense to not buff the other signets, but I can understand the percents.

I heard they were doubling signets, does that mean SoM will be 200 from 100 like it was in beta?

Vanthian.9267:

In all honesty, this is a pretty bad suggestion. You are talking about being able to regenerate 100% of your health in less than 1 minute at max adrenaline. This would stream line the class even further into not using adrenaline more so than it is right now, while we should be pushed in the reverse.

Lets do this then, look at it now!

Leo G.4501:

Would you like to outline the implications of such a change?

No, why would I do that?

Can you please make it percent based?

1 adrenaline bar 6% Health when you use a burst skill. (6% Heal.)
2 adrenaline bars 3% Health when you use a burst skill. (9% Heal.)
3 adrenaline bars 3% Health when you use a burst skill. (12% Heal.)

The reason I’m asking for projectile finishers even though its not a bullet is your basicly thrusting your lance really fast.

Did they double all signets stats? Like healing?

Also increasing the healing on " Signet of the Wild" for example?

Solo.9027:

One hand or two? I’m trying to picture it in my head, is it more of a zulu warrior or donatello from the ninja turtles?

Two.

Warrior Signet only heals for 200, making it 400 would make it a lot better and more balanced to its other heals. Warriors need more sustain and this would bring there healing of signets to other classes.

I heard they were doubling all of them which is good, but I wasn’t sure by if it just meant stats, because a lot of healing on signets need work. Doubling the passives would help a lot of classes and make more viable builds.

THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO MY IDEA.

Doubling the signets will really fix them!

Mrbig.8019:

Cirax.9231:

@Mr.big – You’re describing a completely different build that isn’t “simply variations of the same water/arcana build” (your words). That build has dps, but nowhere near the surviability that comes with bunker water/arcane builds.

Thanks for trying though.

It’s a simple variation.

You’re sitting with the same toughness, slight less ( 100 less) healing power than standard “semibunker” valk ele.

You simply don’t have renewing stamina , and have less cantrips slotted.

You are dishing out huge damage, have huge survivability ( ten times better than standard glass cannons), 80% of your damage is AoE, you’re great 1vs1 ( in some cases even 1vs2), you give your team one of the best ( if not the best) support, you can burst kinda like a glass cannon ( not saying that glass cannons can’t dish out more damage, but they’re sacrificing A LOT MORE than ele) .

Same build, same traits, same amulets, just slight different trait location and U-skill choice.

The ele is the best class in the game, hands down. It’s not a jack of all trade, it’s a master of everything.

There’s no point in having any other direct damage dealer, an ele can do easily thief/war/power engie job.

Plus moar mobility
Plus moar healing
Plus moar buffs.

Please, and i say, PLEASE.

STOP DEFENDING ELES, THEY NEED A NERF.

They don’t need a nerf, every class needs to be buffed to be on-par.

Each class is so limited. Each tree of each class needs /stand out/ traits that are powerful and change the class to add more and unique playstyles. You only have 8 classes and it seems some are just way funner then others.

Olba.5376:

Daecollo.9578:

They should just make it 8 seconds of protection. Also lower the cool-down to 25 seconds.

Then make Sure-Footed a -20% Stance cool-down trait also.

Stances are just not viable.

Yeah because we totally want Warriors to run around with 50% uptime on Protection on top of permanent fury, swiftness and 8+ stacks of might.

Hey, its a different play-style. Stances would be useful.

swinsk.6410:

Daecollo.9578:

Why? We are already a horrible class.

Thieves are not horrible, but we could use some love in certain areas.

I played wvw this morning and I didn’t die once, except the 80 man zerg that caught me with shadowstep and refuge down from a previous fight.

I was able to easily take a supply camp while killing a wells necro, glass d/d ele, and crap ranger. All were 80, they just weren’t very good players. All while guards and supply camp veteran boss trying to kill me as well.

I lived simply because of blind field and the ability to stealth whenever I wanted…

Horribly limited.

Strom.4192:

Every thing i’ve seen on the superior set of Dolyak runes is from three or more months ago. is the healing still insignificant and unscaling?
Is there any reason a Beefy attrition warrior would build these over Soldier, or Dwayna?

Yep, its about 30 per second.

Its pretty much worthless in every way.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Daecollo.9578:

Please switch Last Refuge with Infusion of Shadow, Last Refuse should be an optional trait for people with no other access to stealth.

Ok that made me giggle, just shows what your subconscious thinks about this trait, lol

If IoS is a minor, there will be problems with perma-blind in combination with Cloaked in Shadows and OP condition removal in combination with Shadow’s Embrace.

We don’t need to give Anet anymore reason to nerf our profession. Although the intention is sound, this “solution” will bring more problem for us.

Why? We are already a horrible class.

Warlord.9074:

Daecollo.9578:

Warlord.9074:

Daecollo.9578:

Can you please fix them? They really need an improvement on healing or at least be able to proc 3-4 times a second.

Use axe of blood + axe of water + healing food + Healing signet + Banner Regen. Probably not the answer your looking for but it works vs mobs.

Solo mobs maybe, sorry that doesn’t really work in real pvp buddy :<
Believe me, i’ve tried everything.

In pvp it doesn’t work. Real pvp is about bursting people down and avioding damage all together. I don’t think healing food would change that. Possibly faster endurance regen, better shild blocking and a fix to endure pain. Maybe more ways to remove conditions, without using shouts would be a better fix for pvp.

See that is whats wrong with this world, its all about hitting those immunity buttons and screwing people with burst damage.

Its no longer about timing skills to get the most of them, planning attacks, or abusing fun traits/items/mechanics and making yourself look better. Its just who can dodge/burst down there enemy faster! Isn’t it fun! (NO… why do you think everyone complains about PVP!?)

Everyone is the SAME now.

ITS NOT FUN ANYMORE.

Elementalist don’t need a nerf, other classes just need the sustain they can achieve in there own way.

1 might every critical hit for Two-handed training.

Wethospu.6437:

Practice… Rush?

One does not simply practice rush.

gimmethegepgun.1284:

It is probably the most overpowered suggestion I have ever seen.
Unless, perhaps, you’re up for giving Steal a 5 minute cooldown thereabouts?

How is it overpowered?

gimmethegepgun.1284:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmvtFxdlBJM

PLEASE tell me you aren’t serious.

I am, its a good idea.

Warlord.9074:

Daecollo.9578:

Can you please fix them? They really need an improvement on healing or at least be able to proc 3-4 times a second.

Use axe of blood + axe of water + healing food + Healing signet + Banner Regen. Probably not the answer your looking for but it works vs mobs.

Solo mobs maybe, sorry that doesn’t really work in real pvp buddy :<
Believe me, i’ve tried everything.

Once you steal you should gain all ‘3’ of your enemies utility slots, they would be one-time use. (Once you use them they go grey, have no cool-down but one time use only).

F2=Utility Slot 1.
F3=Utility Slot 2.
F4=Utility Slot 3.

For example, if I stole from a trap ranger and they had three traps on there utility bar, I would gain all three of those traps ‘1’ time until I stole from them again.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Improvisation
Allows you to use the utility slots once again after 10 seconds. (gives them a second use and a 10 second cool-down.)

When you use steal again, it steals a new set of utility slots to use.

Heijincks.9267:

Daecollo.9578:

Ratty.5176:

Daecollo.9578:

Ratty.5176:

Before the change, I could go dual axes, full DPS. Full into mobs and keep my health up constantly with no issues while also putting out more DPS than any other class in the game. It was just silly.

Now it’s still a good choice, but other foods get a look in, and I actually have to either sacrifice DPS, or rely on my group to keep me up. This feels right.

Its a terrible choice, and that was pretty bad. However it was overnerfed.

As you can see, I didn’t ask for it to go back to the way it was with the exploited attacks, however I wanted it to work before with regular attacks.

It feels wrong, you should not rely on your group for everything. Warrior is the worst PvP class in the entire game because it has no sustain, your just a baby holding peoples hand.

If you mean WvW. I know quite a few warriors in WvW that would argue with that. Warriors can be awesome if set up correctly. Giving good healing to both themselves and the zerg or decent buffing. While still doing great damage. If you are wanting to launch yourself into the enemy Zerg and survive your just asking to much. No class can do that. But Warriors definitely have enough survivability to hit the out runners, put down 2 or 3 people and get out before dying.

If you mean sPVP, you can’t use food so it doesn’t matter.

To bad the 98% disagree. Warrior is by far the worst class in the game.

lol. Troll post for sure.

I don’t know how anybody could come to the conclusion that warriors are the “worst class in the game” given that a) they have the highest DPS of any class proportional to survivability and b) one of the most widely played classes.

We don’t see people asking to buff warriors. We see people asking to buff engineers/rangers/necros though. Warriors aren’t even dependent on lifesteal food unless you play berserker everything outfitted with ruby orbs with no defensive traits.

Oh, and hammer warriors wreck in WvW. Easily one of the best classes.

My warrior can hit for 9999 damage as long as my opponents stand there and take it and don’t use buffs like protection/dodge.

High DPS isn’t all its cut out to be if you can never hit with it.

Artaz.3819:

Ho! Haha! Guard! Turn! Parry! Dodge! Spin! Ha! THRUST! – Daffy Duck style “1” autoattack for my Asura please

DODGE. PARRY. ATTACK!. THRUST!

Artaz.3819:

Daecollo.9578:

Artaz.3819:

The problem with more Warrior healing traits is that it needs to take into account the various ways warriors have heals from other sources; that’s the problem with the balance…it would need a reduction in say Adrenaline Health or Shout Healing/Banner Regen frequency. There is nothing wrong with the idea per se except it would likely need an internal cooldown or it falls into the realm of lifesteal food/Whirling Axe issues with heals on crit procs (bleeds/vulns/etc. all within the same Arms line).

Finally, Furious isn’t a horrible talent even if grandmaster (but it would be better if Furious was the baseline grandmaster 25 in Discipline though instead of Versatile Power).

Why? All those moves suffer from confusion/retaliation the same. Why do you need to reduce the other healing abilities? The Warrior sacrifices critical bonus (damage.) and Power for all that survivability. Just like other classes have the option to do.

The /real/ problem with Omnomberry Pie is that you could go full damage and get that survivability, this gives you worse survivability while sacrificing all your damage.

People could just go full zerker and heal for max, and spec for all power/critical damage and do tons of damage.

Altruistic Healing does not have an internal cool-down, and it is fairly balanced, it probably would heal for more then this trait because you don’t need a target for it and allies and enemies don’t move out of your circles. You could argue that guardians need more healing, however I think Warriors should out heal guardians since they don’t have virtues (Passive Procs/Healing/Effects.) and don’t have protection or very much if not any condition removal.

ANet hates, despises, and frankly wants to smash (without breaking how classes were built from the ground up) any bunker builds. Healing additions with any form would come at cost from somewhere else.

You’re correct, Altruistic Healing does not have an internal cooldown but all other Guardian boon creations now do (what it procs from). Altruistic Healing was so imbalanced than when ANet realized it, they nerf-’hammer’ed Vigorous Precision. I used to play a Guardian and still occasionally do – trust me, it was night and day in levels of survivability kitten I can survive an army on me, to oh now, need to actually watch my health and limit my targets attacked).

Note, I do agree that there is room for improvement on Warrior survivability but this is not a balanced means to do it. I would argue that Retaliation Boon (defensive punishment) is the way to do it but that is for a different thread.

They start removing playstyles then they also start drowning there player-base. Anet needs to step back and actually look at what there players want.

- MORE BUILDS.
- More Variety.
- More then 1 meta per class.

They should just make it 8 seconds of protection. Also lower the cool-down to 25 seconds.

Then make Sure-Footed a -20% Stance cool-down trait also.

Stances are just not viable.

TakaEagle.9486:

I reckon that’s pretty OP, you’d be essentially getting another master trait (replacing the previous useless trait). I believe it should be replaced with “3 sec reveal” which is reasonable considering anet is most likely reverting the reveal nerf regardless.

Infusion of Shadow is a Minor trait buddy.

Ratty.5176:

Daecollo.9578:

To bad the 98% disagree. Warrior is by far the worst class in the game.

And yet it is one of the most played classes in the game, and I have to wade through dozens of posts on GW2LFG looking for Warriors.

Not even 98% of the people in this post think Warriors are bad. It looks to me that at least 80% are arguing that Warriors are fine.

Not really, its actually 12% where elementalist/guardian is 13%.

I like P/P for its poor utility, low damage and no access to stealth and mobility.

Ratty.5176:

Daecollo.9578:

Ratty.5176:

Before the change, I could go dual axes, full DPS. Full into mobs and keep my health up constantly with no issues while also putting out more DPS than any other class in the game. It was just silly.

Now it’s still a good choice, but other foods get a look in, and I actually have to either sacrifice DPS, or rely on my group to keep me up. This feels right.

Its a terrible choice, and that was pretty bad. However it was overnerfed.

As you can see, I didn’t ask for it to go back to the way it was with the exploited attacks, however I wanted it to work before with regular attacks.

It feels wrong, you should not rely on your group for everything. Warrior is the worst PvP class in the entire game because it has no sustain, your just a baby holding peoples hand.

If you mean WvW. I know quite a few warriors in WvW that would argue with that. Warriors can be awesome if set up correctly. Giving good healing to both themselves and the zerg or decent buffing. While still doing great damage. If you are wanting to launch yourself into the enemy Zerg and survive your just asking to much. No class can do that. But Warriors definitely have enough survivability to hit the out runners, put down 2 or 3 people and get out before dying.

If you mean sPVP, you can’t use food so it doesn’t matter.

To bad the 98% disagree. Warrior is by far the worst class in the game.

Please switch Last Refuge with Infusion of Shadow, Last Refuse should be an optional trait for people with no other access to stealth.

Ratty.5176:

Before the change, I could go dual axes, full DPS. Full into mobs and keep my health up constantly with no issues while also putting out more DPS than any other class in the game. It was just silly.

Now it’s still a good choice, but other foods get a look in, and I actually have to either sacrifice DPS, or rely on my group to keep me up. This feels right.

Its a terrible choice, and that was pretty bad. However it was overnerfed.

As you can see, I didn’t ask for it to go back to the way it was with the exploited attacks, however I wanted it to work before with regular attacks.

It feels wrong, you should not rely on your group for everything. Warrior is the worst PvP class in the entire game because it has no sustain, your just a baby holding peoples hand.

Make an option to auto-weapon swap every 10 seconds.

digiowl.9620:

Consider this:

Necromancers have several traits that steal health. Yet unless you piled on all of them and got multiple mobs to stand a stack of wells for the full duration you could not get better performance than simply popping a omnom and banzai the same mobs. This even tho it would only proc on 2/3 of the crits.

Elementalist with all his tricks and burst heals can get about 900 hps. (without omnom pies!)

Guardian with his virtues/regens/symbols can almost get up to 650ish-1000 hps, with regeneration even more. (without omnom pies!)

Necromancers get 150 health every time there minions hit something and everytime they hit something, and there minion steals 976 health every 2 seconds. That is almost 750 HPS, the same amount of health my warrior got with omnomberry pies. (without them!)

Warriors have NO condition removal compared to these classes. Yet they have only 200 hps compared to them, that is almost 4-5x less healing abilities. They have the worst of both worlds.

Protection CAN last forever for necro/guardian/ele if you play them correctly.

digiowl.9620:

Daecollo.9578:

Heijincks.9267:

Daecollo.9578:

blutstein.2468:

they are perfectly fine and have been adjusted recently.

Warrior healing isn’t fine at all. They go down way too easy and this was the only thing really keeping them up.

Until I get the same protection in some way, I’m probably going to make a new thread about Critical food, or bump it every 15 days.

As many have said before, stop going full Berserker’s and build some Knight’s or Soldier’s. Warriors have the highest innate survivability of every class in GW2. Highest base HP, and highest base armor (heavy armor), and a myriad of condition removes (especially if Soldier runes are used).

I fail to see a problem here?

Toughness doesn’t help against poison/bleeding/confusion.

I’ve never ran full zerker’s before. I’m usually at 3k Armor.

Toughness/Armor is nothing compared to protection. Protection protects for more then armor does.

Thing about protection is that it is a straight up 1/3 damage reduction. Had it been a toughness or armor boost like might is to power, it would have a diminishing effect as your inherent armor got higher. This because to halve incoming damage you need to double armor. 1000 to 2000, 2000 to 4000 and so on.

Basicly, toughness sucks. Protection is better in almost every way.

Technically most classes with protection have way more armor then the warrior, almost double! :> The difference between light/heavy classes is only 200 toughness.