Guild Wars 2

I always wonder why all these guards do not use all the siege weapons standing around unused.

The “Increased guards” extension should spawn a guard for every unused siege-weapon.
They should auto-fire on any attacker. (with some not so stupid priorities on target selection, e.g. trebs focus on trebs and omegas)
This way you can prepare a nicer defense before you go to bed.
And the attacker has – instead of the current boring PvD against useless NPC and unused defensive siege – a more or less challenging (depending on the effort the defenders put into it) “tower-defense-puzzle” to solve

As usual I am for variation
future leagues should be 1 vs 1
normal matches (in between leagues) should be 1vs1vs1

Modifications for 1vs1 should be kept simple:
2 homemaps where attacker has both attacker-spawns
1 EB where overlook has no doors and no lord and therefore cannot be conquered.
As there is no third-side the player capacity per side and map can be 50% higher, than now. (which result in 450% total-capacity per side on 2-sided matches on 3 maps instead of the 400% in 3-sided matches on 4 maps.)

PS: If you do not like the increased total-capacity 133% per map would result in equal 400%, which should reduce the change of skill-laags instead.

lol

I propose the following tactics for the germans:

Go to bed, but agree on a specific time for alarm-clock.
When all Jade fall asleep over several hours of no enemy and 696:0:0 score
they will be back in force. Who will win this psycho-war? The french well prepared in front of their computer, or the germans in their bed?

How long will Jade be able to stay awake on an empty battelfield?
Will they be awake when the coordinated german-couter-attack will be launched?
Will there be a counter-attack at all? Will it be early enough to turn the match?

More news about this tomorrow

Now that the league is over http://gw2wvw.org/ computes league score, instead of the glicko we would need for friday, lol.

Anyhow, time to get this thread out of the sleep.

Friday is random-match time!

I would like now

10 weeks consequtive random-stability:
SFR-Vizu-Piken After 10 weeks they will hopefully have sorted out their politics.
BB-JS-Deso Full 24h of action for the next 70days great! I want photos before-after from the most active players, and time for Deso to get some gold-training, after their silver-holidays
ER-RS-K 10 week fight for german championship, yeah!

Vizu 30+5 =35
SFR 26+1 = 27
Jade 22 + 5 = 27
Piken 22 + 3 = 25
Baruch 20+5 = 25
That’s shared 4th as Jade will win there is no way for you to reach 3rd
(or do you plan to send your night-forces to Elona or RS for the last 2 nights to stop Jade?)
That’s for the league.

And for Glicko, no idea, I guess 3-5 for you, but gw2wvw.org stopped showing the glicko updates.

majos.8503:

Baruch – Nobody expected to see us fighting some weeks to get 3rd place, even us didn’t expected this, to be honest.

3rd? I guess you mean shared (with Piken) 4th, when there are 2 (SFR & JS) on 2nd, there is no 3rd.

Who cares, match goal failed, lets go home, and hope for more interesting opponents in a future match.

Maybe we are lucky and get a Riverside-Elona-Kodash match within the next month.

PS: The more score we loose, the better are our chances to avoid the night-servers in future matches.

Falkynn.3789:

But I read german forum too…

Have a look into https://forum-de.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Zieht-jemand-Lehren-aus-S1/341888 and following, complains about night capping are general complains against ANet, you are only hit as current example.

Leyo.1935:

JS always has difficult starts.

There is no PvD possible on weekends

Leyo.1935:

Then JS begins to wake up on Mondays —- and here we go !

Lol, fail to go to bed fits it better.

Leyo.1935:

prefered a more “independent” ER

Lol, what’s independent? Stop figthing for place 2, because SFR decided that they wanted you on place 3, too? Admittedly I animated them to do so
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/matchups/Week-6-SFR-JS-ER/3261870
but this was more meant as forum-war, I did not really expected, that they would do it

Blanche Neige.7241:

There is a too serious imbalance between servers, and nothing they can do will fix it.

First of all, the league increased imbalanced, as
- a lot of people transferred to the servers that were expected to win.
- some servers lost some matches before the league to fall down into a league they could dominate.

Second, the imbalance is mainly caused by: only a few server have a 24/7 coverage.
While the could easily compete e.g. on “weekend only” or “8h per day” matches, they do not have the timezone coverage to compete 24/7.

Should there ever be a competition again,
1) it should not be announced before it started (but, hm, ANet like the money they earn by transfer, so this is prbably not happening) to avoid transfers.
2) it should be on smaller timeframes, such that quality has a relevance compared to coverage.

Leyo.1935:

I don’t get the cries about nightcapping in a game that is ALL about time coverage whether you like it or not.
After one year, it’s really time to get over it.

As the ones that would loose all day and most prime-time matches you like night-capping, big surprise.

Anyhow, that 4 hours in the night have a 10 times as big impact on match-win than the remaining 20 hours is just bad game-design.

This wasn’t that important before the league, as before the league, WvW was meant to be non-competive, but just “available for your fun”, but now with the addition of competition it becomes worser than bad.

Most servers seem to be healthy PvE wise anyway.

It is just that WvW-game design favours that all WvW-players concentrate on 1 server.

Didn’t you catched the german mood about this league in general and about this match in special?

Placement doesn’t matter at all in a PvD-league. But trying to disable place 2 to one of the 2 worst PvD-servers may give some compensation.

We dealed with it for a year, now it’s time to stop playing it.

But play at day and be the king of day, if you want, play at night and be king of the night, if you want, or play at evening and be king of prime if you want,
but that should be 3 different matches that do not influence each other:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Night-protection-1/3281118

Even worse: If I got the design right your first priority on EOTM is your match EOTM, only if this one is full you are able to go to general overflow EOTM.
If you are stuck in an imbalnced match EOTM is no way out, you are stuck in your imbalanced EOTM as well. Only on a large server where “your” EOTM is full you are able to enter the fairly populated EOTM overflow maps.

They deserve the win, as the whole league is only glorification of PvD.

The only question is: Why do we participate in this non-sense et al?

Lol the reason for the “collabse” is obvious, isn’t_it: you are not willing to spend the night to win, whereas Jade & Baruch never did anything else.

And night-PvD is the only thing that matters for a match-win and therefore league win.

It’s the worst non-sense I’ve ever seen in a game:

A competition where matches are only decided by 2:1 or by PvD, and the real fights do not matter et al.

Here just another illustration of the capabilities of the league-winner (2nd in this case, 48h of fighting are worth less than 4h PvD, great competition)

PS: may sound a bit less constructive, but as all my constructive proposals (at least 3 different ones, none denied 24h availability of WvW) were ignored, it’s time for pure critic. The constructive ones can be looked up in my post-history as soon as the problem is acknowledged as a problem.

Zombie Sea took over, lol.

Match-design were 48h fighting are negated by 4h PvD is non-sense.

style.6173:

@OP: You act as if overall score really matters. Just find a server where the fights are competitive at the time you play. Beyond that, who cares?

You were right as long as we only had the ranking, but now with the league and server-performance based rewards, you are wrong.

It will end in: all that care about points stack on the same 2-3 server and all that do not care go to directly to EOTM and ignore WvW.

And as said above, you do not have to hinder anyone going to wvw at any time, it’s enough to separate and switch matches between the different time-slices https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Night-protection-1/3281118, i.e. you replace the prime-match with the night-match at midnight, and you replace the night-match with the day-match at sunrise and you replace the day with the prime match in the early evening.

@Kingface: Is your thread closed again or do you look how is the match you play on friday currently going?

PS: Did it ever happen before that a match-thread was opened by someone not in the match?

Falkynn.3789:

RS focus JS since the beginning

Be careful, such an inability to face reality may be caused by: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KUEQ4nWv7Y
and you better do not spend all your vacation days in front of a computer leading 24h WvW-raids like last friday, it may seriously harm your health.

Tom.8029:

WvW is fought by 3 servers at a time for a reason. There’s a 3rd server to shift the balance of power in a normal 1v1.

This was the idea, but it did not stand the test of reality.
In 90% of matches it isn’t the case.

It’s mostly: 1st and 3rd fight against 2nd. The 3rd does to get 2nd, the 1st does to increase distance. At best the 1st is fair and fight 50:50.

It’s time to get rid of the 3-sided matches and go to either 2- or 4-sided ones.
But 4-sided fights will definitely not only skill-laag, but kill the engine.

It’s time for 2-sided matches. And it’s time for shorter matches (how about 2-day weekend match, followed by a 5 day “under the week” match, … both in different rankings) than 24/7. And it’s time to change the fact that 95% of all matches are decided by PvD (e.g. by introducing time-sliced matches https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Night-protection-1/3281118.).

And definitely to bring some VARIANCE into this. 24/7 3-sided is now for more than a year, this could be varied, a time-sliced league, a weekend/weekday league, a 2-sided league, ….

You should have learned it during the last year: ANet’s tripple-side idea of matches (2 & 3 focus 1st) never worked. It’s always 3rd focus 2nd (to reach 2nd) and 1st press on 2nd (to increase distance). So the doppel-focus from SFR and Elona on Jade last weak was just natural (from our side at least). This weak of course is different: Jade made it a personal revenge (a 80-75% focus from the beginning on the now last in the match). Now we will find out if revenge is a good strategy to win a match or if it will make you enemies, that are able to hinder you. (Jade still has a stronger focus on Elona, than Elona has on Jade, but I hope this will change soon, now that RS starts to fight for an increase in distance to the 2nd.)

There is no alliance between ER & RS. you read the german forum, does it look like one?

There is just one simple thing happening now:
RS see a change of winning and Elona is no longer a problem for RS, so they turn their attention to Jade. And Elona is kitten ed (censored version of not amused) by your focus, so Elona had to change it’s match objective from defending the position in the inner-german ranking to let Jade pay for it’s focus/revenge strategy. Better of course would be to push Jade to place 3, then Elona, RS and Kodash finished the league with equal points. (RS 1st, Elona 2nd, Jade 3rd is now Elona’s match target)

It was your decision, I warned you what will happen, now you have fight against it.

Anyhow, as soon as EOTM comes out the cries for Night protection will be over.

All that currently play WvW for the fights and not for “PvD for the glory of your server” will go directly to EOTM (as they resigned long ago to let their server look good against PvD) and only the PvD-fans will be left alone in WvW.

Waiting for EOTM, then WvW will finally be abandoned.

All people that like fights will directly go there in the future, only the one that like PvD for the glory of their server will stay in WvW.
So Vizu, Jade, BB will likely stay, maybe some others but most servers WvW will be empty soon. Golden times ahead for you 24/7 PvD is coming soon. Oh wait if noone captures them back you are stuck

Jorjeis.2169:

Dayra.7405:

There are a lot solutions.

This is one (my favoured) of them: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Night-protection-1/3281118

Bad suggestion is bad. This assumes that people only ever play in a specific 8 hour window. Which is kitten.

It does not assume that. Match-switch at 0UTC, 8UTC and 16UTC should not take much longer than map-change, if appropriately cached. You can play full 24h.

I guess it’s even better for people that play in several time-slices, than it is for people playing only the servers prime. Because they now get fair matches for every time-slice. and neither a bad superiority in one slice and a non-existent enemy at another slice. (which would make the servers in mean equally strong.)

Junkpile.7439:

We did miracle again and did beat two national servers. I can’t figure out how we manage win. I start to believe in a higher power.

If 2 fight each other the third can sit back laughing. It’s all only a matter of self fulfilling prophecy. We believed you would win, so we fought each other, so you did. Next week all believe VS will win, so they will.

^^So we identified one Vizu that spend enough time in this match to gather all the knowledge he is presenting us now

Yeah PvD for the glory of the server has not only opponents but also fans or it would not happen

Most play likely more than one timeslice, so I guess it would not harm integrity of the server, on the other side I may never seen someone playing at my night, whatever that means for server integrity

Anyhow, we had PvD as the decisive factor of match-outcome now for more than a year, and it did not became more interesting over time. Time for something different.

Falkynn.3789:

Just play and fight.

You had many fights during the last 17h?

Phedre Scion.1520:

What happens when my play time changes? Due to the nature of my job, the time I play in summer versus winter changes. What if I take vacation time that I am at home? Does that mean I would have to pay for server changes each time my play time changes? That would suck.

Not in my proposal (https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Night-protection-1/3281118), your server would be just differently ranked (and matched) for the different times, but every server always plays. E.g. during the EU-Prime (16-24 UTC) your server plays with servers that have an EU-Prime-Rank around 6, during the NA-prime (0-8 UTC) for NA-prime-Rank 1, and during Pacific-Prime (8-16 UTC) for Pacific-Prime-Rank 15. So it plays different matches against different servers for every time-slice depending on your serves strength in that time-slice. This should ensure that every time-slice is better balanced than it is today, where only the mean-strength over the day is used to determine your match.

I would not be surprised if every Vizu WvW-player has 2 accounts.
1 to be placed in the queue at Vizu and
1 to play in the meantime on a different server

PS: The main motivation would be: to be able to play somewhere, while still be part of the “National-Project Vizunah”, and not to help others. At least on Elona a lot people left due to prime-time queues caused by the wvw-achievements. I wonder why this never happened on Vizu.

http://gw2wvw.org/ computes and shows the actual glicko ratings:
Oldrank Name oldGlicko newGlicko Delta newrank
2. Jade Quarry 2138.3 2135.9 - 2.5 2.
1. Blackgate 2200.8 2202.2 + 1.4 1.

But a week to early for this thread

RS beat us in Sept, and started the league ahead of us, but they failed to keep their peak, especially at league start they got harmed by a lot wtj’s and pve-achievement hunters that blocked their queue (more than ours).

Probably Kodash is now the best German server, with the movement of several Abaddon players to Kodash last week. And they likely end the league as highest german server, and will take over in Glicko likely soon as well.

And the Glicko points are very close at moment
4th: 1 815.0 (BB) till 8th: 1 778.0 (Kodash) is just 37pt’s difference, that may change within any matchup several times.

Katashi.5306:

The next match will be also complicated for Elona, you will not be the first German server.

We aren’t the best german server since September.

There are a lot solutions.

This is one (my favoured) of them: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Night-protection-1/3281118

No I do not propose to merge servers and no the result will not be the same.

Currently ranking and therefore matchmaking is based on the mean performance over the whole day. Therefore a server strong at day and evening is in mean equally strong than a server strong at night and evening. So they are matched together with the known bad result of only 8h fight and 16h PvD.

In my proposal you would be match against servers equally strong per time-slice.
So e.g. Elona would be match with top-evening-servers in the evening (I think :-)) say
Elona-SFR-piken in the 16-24 match
But e.g. only against bad night-server in the night (the 0-8 match), e.g Vabbi and Blacktide.
(But in fact I’ve no idea who will be rank where in such splitted ranking)

No lockdown, no prime time, no time zone server, just more differentiated match-making. Every server play 3 likely different matches per day for the different time slices so each match is 7 days a 8h (or 3 week long matches of a 1/3 day each if if want to take total playtime equal)

No one hinders you to play 24/7.
It is just that you play in different matches depending on the time at which you play.

Probably you should not select a server that abandoned your prefered playtimes. But even if you do, you play against servers that abandoned that slice as well.

Overal you will have much more fair matches 24/7, because a good dayshift puts you in the match with other server good at day and doesn’t put you in matches with servers that have a good nightshift, if you do not have one.

We should just have different leagues (or ranking) with different matches for the 3 mayor timezones (running in parallel, such that there is 24/7 a match you can join)!

Every server plays in three matches in three leagues during every week:
the league of 0-8 UTC – called NA-prime,
the league of 8-16 UTC – called Pacific-Prime,
the league of 16-24 – called EU-Prime.

At 8, 16, 24 UTC the matches are switched (new match maps restore from last save in the background, player on map and in queue moved to new match, and then maps of the suspended match saved).

There will be 24/7 WvW, and and in each time-slice each server will be matched against equally strong servers in that time-slice.

Then we can have the best 0-8 server, the best 8-16 server and the best 16-24 server
and one server may be top in one slice, mediocre in 2nd and worst in 3rd.
I wonder if there is a server top in all three slices.

I think I read parties are guranteed to end on the same map. Maybe there is the same possibility to join party members map as for overflow maps, such that you can use the usual taxi technique as for normal overflow maps.

Yeah we should get National leagues next:
6 german servers (- Dzagonur ) into a league,
5 french + 1 spanish into a league
14 EU (+ Dzagonur) into 2 (6 top, 9 bottom) leagues.

or time-sliced leagues, with a 0-8 league a 8-16 league and a 16-24 league (all three running in parallel, such that in the end there is still 24/7 a match you can play).

The most interesting question of this thread is:
Who is Dan.5416 and from which server is he?
All his posts so far where PvE

Katashi.5306:

Considering the results of the German servers in this league, you should be more modest.

Oh that’s really funny, I just noticed that the result of Jade is the topic of https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Sick-of-2-servers-vs-1 You should stop complaining (or How won, so gone )

PS: Sure, this is as much a joke as your current complains, as ours in Vizu-Jade-Elona 1/2 a year ago, as … But as usual jokes are funnier when you are on the winner side of a joke, than when you are on the looser side of it.

Toumai.4812:

Elona we are waiting for you in the next mu. You sold your soul to SFR this week and i hope that you will pay for this …

Thanks for the warning, it’s great to know that in advance and not to be back-stabbed in the last minute!
So the best strategy for Elona in the next match is: Focus mainly on Jade, such that Riverside takes this opportunity to become first and attacks you as well, such that the final result will be
1. Riverside
2. Elona
3. Jade

A result that fits Jades strength outside the night best anyway

PS: That’s not taunting, that’s a realistic prediction of the result of a revenge-strategy

PPS: Without a server that is stronger than us at day and evening like SFR or Piken that hinder us to make points while you are weak, or caught our main focus like RS in the 1st week match, a match Elona-Jade will end like week 39

toruk.7890:

it may be wise to take a little rest before the ultimate fight against VS. They will be on us all day and all night long

“Wer rastet, der rostet” (fitting german idiom, not so easy to translate, i.e. this does not mean what Bing-translate makes out of it: “Rolling Stone gathers, which rusts” , google-translate is better this time “If you rest, you rust”, real meaning: “if you take a break, you get tired” )

Katashi.5306:

Bief, u can see which kind of allies help you.

1) French localization of names is interesting, but thats not our name. We are Elona.
2) Let me remind you of: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/matchups/T1-EU-24-05-2013-Elona-Vizunah-Jade-Sea and freely quote you as “common interests are not an alliance”
3) At that time Vizu was using multi-screen/window-mode https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/WvW-Suggestion-Restrict-view-angle-in-WvW/2158274 quite intensively to break Elona’s Kodash-trained defense, and this did not hinder you to pursue your common interests.

Prysin.8542:

mishina.5091:

But you have crashed Gandara for 16k in less than 8 hours.

People need to sleep. That being said, we got zombies on deso (yes referring to you Ins and Rox)

They got infected https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Desolation-Recruitment-Zombie-Apocalypse

DevonCarver.5370:

There will not be another season this calendar year. The matchmaking post-season will be back to the system before, with some possible tweaks, but it will be essentially the same system.

Hopefully you tweak the random system!
- The dice should not be uniform distributed! (Normal to fit Glicko, or Gaussian, because it is simple), matches far away from your current position should be possible but definitely not as likely as matches at your position.
- The max-range of servers that could meet was much to large the last time (around 4 times the deviation+c in the worst case), I think no server should be able to roll up/down beyond the ranking of a server more than 2 places away would be a better restriction, than a deviation based.

Bethryn.4087:

gjop.8612:

And I’ll say this again, I’ve known people on server’s lower then the top of the silver league and you do exactly the same thing to them that people are complaining to Deso about.

I agree, and my personal opinion is that no server should be facing any server further than 3 places either side of them.

This makes matchmaking very difficult.
The lowest rank 1 could match with this restriction would be rank 4.
Assume it get 3 and 4
T1: 1, 3, 4
Now for T2
2, 5, and whom? no one left within 3 places of rank 2 that is not already matched somewhere else.