Guild Wars 2

Jesus.2619:

still haven’t met even one good player from elona so far. either you are in a blob or you run away. sad…

Good, sounds like we are more disciplined than I thought.

Haralin.1473:

Maybe you just tell me

Sorry, no your Guild-leader likes to troll me with that question.

PS: Extract the formula from https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/big-changes-coming-to-wvw-matchups/
take the numbers from
https://leaderboards.guildwars2.com/en/eu/wvw
and test what happens when Elona rolls -1 and FSP rolls +1.

Ups, yes, thx eremos

@Haralin: Lol, have a look at millenium.org and try to understand what you see there.
And look a bit through the forum, to find one of the several good descriptions how matches are made.

Sirendor.1394:

thank you ER for sending zergs to supply camps. It has been a real pleasure annihilating everyone who straggled behind.

Thanks for supporting our Commanders in educating our zergs. Thousands of times said “Stay together” educates less than a well placed stake.

Tietus.8013:

About 12 hours after reset, 4/8 NA and 4/9 EU matchups appear headed for blow-outs.

If
NA-4 vs NA-5 is 28 726 : 13 262
NA-6 vs NA-7 is 25 005 : 15 588
(!!) NA-15 vs NA-13 is 22 692 : 14 307 (!!)
(!!) EU-11 vs EU-9 is 34 209 : 23 032 (!!)
(!!) EU-21 vs EU-19 is 48 586 : 19 982 (!!)
(!!) EU-22 vs EU-20 is 39 406 : 22 181 (!!)
there is no way any matchup-system can produce better matches.
In the new system, the loosing servers may be lucky to get a simpler opponent next week. In the old system these matches would stay for month if not even forever.

Still the rank-score is the current best measure of WvW-activity or population. See https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Free-transfers-to-small-pop-servers/2126651 for a proposal to use that for transfer costs. But as usual WvW only get not needed new WEXP-skills, instead of some urgently needed fixes and improvements.

Awesome Deso!! GL in continuing the brilliant start!

jaimy.4108:

Anyway, I hope guilds in Elona will take this oppertunity to run as guilds to find some good fights. Loads of Gandara and FSP groups who look for fights, and don’t give a kitten about points.

As MuhQ already said under the week on BLs you usually will find a lot guild-raids. On EB and over the weekend this will be difficult due to queues. But I can say only usually, I am not not sure what happens this week, Elona was never in a T9-like match before. But this does not necessarily mean small-scale, also our guild raids are mostly 15+ sometime up to 40.

Kaleygh.1524:

We dont care about your rating or your points. Hell, we dont even care about our own rating.

Thanks, that releases us from taking care about your fun.

Kaleygh.1524:

What we care about are fun fights and so far only Gandara delivered. All i have seen from the german server is blobs and emote spam, it just seems like a bigger version of Blobbadon.
If you want your points so badly, you can have them, but atleast spread out those blobs a little and give us some fun fights.
Is it too much to ask ?

But how about a win-win compromise instead?
We declare the south of Elona BL (2 towers and 3 camps) as reservation for threatened servers, that Elona does not enter with larger groups than 5 people, where you can have all the fun between FSP and Gandara you want, while we control the rest to get our points?

Chris.3290:

I see that #3 is facing #16 in EU.

EU-Ranks #1 – #10 can play against each other in EU-prime-time, ofc #1 wins vs #10, but only due to coverage, not for being better in the field, when both are there.

Likely EU has a better player spread than NA, due to the national servers, that balance WTJ.

That really bad thing on the old system was: Once you are in an imbalanced match, you are stuck in this imbalance. The poor Kodash got hit by Elona for 13 weeks in a row, till the broken old system finally let us go up to win T1 instead of dominate T2. When you loose against always the same opponents week for week, without any hope for a change, you face the real disaster the old system was.

Now you have a chance for more diversity
- once a week where you are outnumbered and face the challenge of guerrilla-play
- once a tight match, where every point counts (rare now, but rare in the old system as well)
- once a week, where you are forced to dominate by the rating system.

More variance in game play and more diversity in challenges. I like it more.

Still I think the likelihood of extreme dice-rolls should be reduced!
ANet should replace the uniform-dice by a Gaussian- or normal-dice.

Dane.9480:

This week I’m afraid I have to play another game (only play WvW) course this week don’t seems like a fun one :/

Yeah our last match was definitely a better one. Long long ago: Vizu, FSP and newcomer Elona.

Maskaganda.2043:

Dayra.7405:

Uuh a disaster for our Rating. Sorry, but we are required to crush you as much as possible.

what is this rating you speak of?

This one: https://leaderboards.guildwars2.com/en/eu/wvw

With the current score 1 569:808:736 we are at -35.570
see http://mos.millenium.org/eu/matchups
and would loose a rank (3 to 4) if we do not do better than now in the end.

Uuh a disaster for our Rating. Sorry, but we are required to crush you as much as possible.

No false modesty, Mighty Ice Arrow, you earned a match against the champions with this weeks performance

Aeneasx.1589:

Player x has been killed by Player y.
Devona’s Rest has lost Redbriar to Isle of Janthir.
[GUILD] X has claimed Redbriar!
Redbriar has completed Upgrades under [GUILD] X

Player X1, …, X50 killed player Y1
…
Player X1, …, X50 killed player Y50
in a zerg-fight is a bit much detail, isn’t it

There are several life-feeds for captured/lost and claimed, e.g. look at
millenium.org map-view or my favored one: http://wvw.rabbit-online.de

Upgrade Infos are not in the API, so they are not in a feed. And I think this is good, because:

Whatever is in a feed is known to all sides, i.e. you get a lot free scouting.

Could be interesting, but what exactly do you mean with “WvW-Population”?

http://gw2tracker.net/wvw/stats/live has a nice Activity chart for each Match.
You can use it to see relative activity of the servers at different times and if you agree:

More people ~ More Activity

(as long as there are objectives left to be captured) also relative population of the servers in a match at different times.
Cross-match comparisons are not that easy, but still you can see a difference between T1 and T8.

Here is the current graphs from NA-T1 and NA-T8:

Dominik.5162:

Dayra’s trolling arount (r -> m or t -> d?) just cause his/her server is failing <3

Whow you heavily overestimate my influence. And hey that’s not trolling that’s only black humor to make jokes about a score of 200 761 : 115 572

Grok.6714:

Nerf them…to the ground!

Uuh, you are untankful, you wana nerf them for reanimating your server?

(And not very prospective as well, who should reanimate you the next time you fall apart, once they are nerfed?)

Necromancer, at work

Zombie Square vs Zombies Unrest vs Elona could be a fun match next week, if we do not forget that SFR is our enemy, while Vizunah is only a friendly opponent.

We started and ended the match as rank 3. Not the worst place to be, and not the worst in our history. By beating BB at Rank 4 last week and Jade at Rank 5 second last only Deso – which seem to recover some to strength – is left to be a thread to stay at rank 3 But yeah currently we are not in the mood to grab for a higher rank

Mighty Ice Arrow.9268:

…, just try to beat PS, because they in front now. Dont worry with SFR according you and VZ we are dead.

Why? If they make it to the 2nd then only because you attack us, before you attack them. Shurely not, because they stand a match vs Elona without help. The only reason I would see to finish in front of Piken is, to help RS to go ahead of them. But 1st RS do not need that help, and 2nd german servers are more rivals than allies

Contiguous.1345:

We’ve woken up this morning to find the entire eb and most of the bls completely blue.
Even to the extent of our keep (and presumably Elona’s) being fully upgraded to T3, complete with waypoint.

There has to be something seriously wrong with somebody so obsessive about a game that they will spend all night stacking the deck like that.

Just saying.

I guess, some Ex-Elona now on SFR wana show how powerfull they are now, nothing serious, highly motivated for a week, but the hotter the flame the shorter it will burn

EU-Scores before and after maintenance.

Genererally It’s nice that maintenance is over 1 hour earlier than anounced, however for a WvW team that relies on your statements this is quite disastrous.

@Grok & Co:

Whatever you dig out in any forum is just some opinion of someone and of total irrelevance.

Here is another irrelevant opinion for your forum-search to be included into your next post:

SFR wins vs Elona, because PvE mobs drop better than WvW-zerglings and PvE-boss-chests contain a guranteed value of 15s, whereas WEXP-chest contain a guranteed value of 5s. And even worser for Achievement points to be earned: for the time you need to get 1 in WvW you can get several 100 in PvE.

That’s why Elona has overflow maps on boss-kills saturday/sunday morning at 8:00 while there is nearly no Elona possession in WvW.

Spending time on fighting SFR does not pay off

Flame? Using an Asterix citation, together with a small play upon your name, is more kidding than flaming

But, if you want to feel flamed, I will stop hindering you

DaveVN.5987:

I just want to point out that rest of Europe are also sleeping at that time, almost every european player was sleeping too. It’s not only in Germany ppl are still sleeping at 5-6am.

All? No, all, but a small village of restless Seafares

Titan.3472:

100% exploit…

In a very width & small window you can look onto as well as over the walls using the normal GW2 engine. And this is (unfortunately for WvW) an advertised feature of GW2.

As ANet knows this since month and it does not involve any hack, it can hardly be called an exploit.

Not sure that this needs a hack. Have a look at
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/WvW-Suggestion-Restrict-view-angle-in-WvW/2158274
to explore surprising WvW-features of the normal GW2 engine.

Grok.6714:

Dayra.7405:

I must say, I am impressed that Vizu only needs one night to negate all the SFR effort of a week

Pretty impressed by Elona myself, FINALLY managing to win vs. a server that has 50% of it’s WvW population on the beaches and , well…Kodash.

I said I am impressed by Vizu, not by current Elona. The only impressive thing on Elona this week was the amount of Trebus inside keeps (up to 5 grief-player burned our supplies)

I must say, I am impressed that Vizu only needs one night to negate all the SFR effort of a week

Looks like you play at the wrong time. I mean you server is currently leading in this match. There were times when your servers tick is above +350, i.e. much better than on your screen.
Have a look at: http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/50/
to find the strong times of your server.

Another Tip: Next week you likely play a different match with a different color. Get what you can get this week, get more next week, and so on, it’s better to look at the map from time to time, and spend 10min to get a point, that trying to complete in a rush of several hours.
You do not even need to login to wvw there are now several life maps, w.g. http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/map/871 where you can look which points are controlled by which side.

We have one: https://forum-de.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/matchups/Elona-Kodasch-Baruch
and as BB seems to be in Summer-break, the English one will probably not used very much

Only a WvW-player has less than 1k achievement points.

Only a WvW-player wonders, why all the people, he never saw on a WvW map, ask what they should do with all these Badges of Honor.

And threads moved by moderator are moved to WvW-suggestions and not be trashed by moving them to general Suggestions.

But since I read
We’ve also transitioned from our original single Living World team, which operated with very short turn-around time for most of the first half of the year, to four Living World teams for the second half of the year. in https://www.guildwars2.com/de/news/looking-ahead-guild-wars-2-in-2013/
I have an idea why WvW-News are limited to a WEXP-Skill every two weeks and what the Team that developed WvW last year is now doing and how many people are working on WvW improvements anymore.

Chewy.9263:

Less skill lag would be better than siege masteries…

Yeah a new WEXP-skill

Laag Mastery:

lvl1: increases server prio to execute your ‘2’ skill
lvl2: increases server prio to execute your ‘3’ skill
lvl3: increases server prio to execute your ‘4’ skill
lvl4: increases server prio to execute your ‘5’ skill
lvl5: increases server prio to execute your healing skill

PS: I was not complaining, I was making a constructive proposal to improve dealing with the skill laags ANet obviously is unable to fix. Higher WEXP rank => more priority to use a skill.
PPS: I do not see ironie in being on a high-rank server and do not liking skill laags, we have them more often so we are more annoyed of them.
PPPS: you should rename your account, I find it an offensive name, and you can be banned for offensive names. (but I am in good mood, I do not report you)

Thanks, Ken.

I would say they look MUCH better than the uniform ones.
Direct neighbors increase from 15 to over 20% (in the middle of the ladder)
And matches 5 or 6 away have only half probability.

And something like Blackgate vs SoS goes down from 3% to 0.6%

Johje Holan.4607:

Dayra.7405:

Johje Holan.4607:

Or as I still think is the absolute best solution – manually make the matchups. No RNG necessary.

Lol, even if they would make or alrady made matches manually they better do *not" say it to us. The crying and blame against the human match-maker would be horrible.

But we already have a 20 page thread (plus countless other threads) with crying and blame against Anet, the devs, Devon himself, and any other person who works at Anet. Plus, they have thick skin.

But hey, if Anet is afraid, I’d be ok with them not telling us they’re doing it and just do it. It could be Top Secret and only the people doing it could know.

What I wanted to say is: How do you know that the current match-making isn’t done by a human. Remember, 4h before reset they noticed that they have problems implementing it, maybe a human took over and is still doing it:
Sometimes he takes a dice, sometimes he is interested in the outcome of a specific match, sometimes he satisfies his sadistic feelings a bit, sometimes he feels like having mercy with a server …

Or turning it back around: Why should human matchmaking be better?

PS: I stopped looking into that thread, just a boring repetition now. And https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/matchups/7-19-BG-SoR-DB produced more posts in much shorter time

Johje Holan.4607:

Or as I still think is the absolute best solution – manually make the matchups. No RNG necessary.

Lol, even if they would make or alrady made matches manually they better do *not" say it to us. The crying and blame against the human match-maker would be horrible.

Can you run a Gaussian Randomness (just add up 2 rolls of -0-5 to +0.5), Ken?

@genowefapigwa: Sorry, I like the new system for variation, not for traditionally boring repetitions

Wishes for EU T1-T3:
Vizu – SFR – Piken
Elona – BB – Deso
RS – Kodash – Abaddon

Mayvbe you mean GvGs?

Look yourself: http://gw2gvg.com/

Contiguous.1345:

1. doesn’t allow you to see any more than you might see by simply turning around (panning). It offers no advantage.

That’s not true. If you make the window small enough you can see onto and behind walls. A thing you do not manage in any “normal” high:width ration.
See https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/WvW-Suggestion-Restrict-view-angle-in-WvW/2158274
for some window mode screenshoots that GIVE you an advantage.

@Holm: if you want fights you should knock, when someone is at home

Hvaran.6327:

I vote for chain saw kit for melee damage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And taits for it in toughness!

Just imagine how u rush into the zerg and heads are flying arround)

Yes…one brute force kit that what we need)

Great, but after 20 kills you need 30min undisturbed break to clean it or it stops working. And after 100 Kill you need to visit the next gasoline Station
(or you play Hellgate Global, there the Engineer has one, but I never saw one using it)

Even if we are currently far away from ranking No 1, we still want to defend our reputation as Golem Server No 1

Best Golems
made by Elona

@Mighty Ice Arrow Funny post Expressing your 2:1 paranoia and enumerating the observations that counter-indicate an alliance, is a really entertaining combo

Grok.6714:

Desiderius.7259:

Its very interesting to see our forum warriors fighting those from SFR, especially in the german forum.

We’re winning both wars

After reading Ramiri’s post I would say Elona won in the German Forum, SFR lost by disqualification and even got a red card for 2 matches

Romek.4201:

@dayra dont care bout this ecl guys – they even write in spvp hotjoins “enemy are more” when they die

I don’t care about them, I enjoy their presence, in the forum as well as on the battlefield (but both only while they are enemies)