Guild Wars 2

Go to
http://mos.millenium.org/eu
or
http://mos.millenium.org/na
and click the “live Map” button of the match you like to see.

If you aren’t on 1 of the 2 lowest ranked servers of your ladder you have good chances now for randomly rotating colors.

And now with the new APi and the effort of the people of millenium.org you do not have to go to WvW anymore to find out if your missing objectives are controlled by your server. Go to
http://mos.millenium.org/na
look up the match of your server and press live map.

With the new match-making system we have unavoidable unbalanced matches in terms of the accumulated score. The current ingame Match-Display (B) suggest that the accumulated score is a number of importance which is in fact not true.

If the match-display would show the rating evolution this would be much more informative, because it incorporates the expectation and not the raw numbers, it shows the projected real outcome of the match and not only a boring sum and especially as in includes the expectations of the match it demotivates less.

Devona’s Rest Henge of Denravi Borlis Pass
————————————————————————————————-
1 026.996 1 015.457 1 375.104 (old rating in small above)

-2.289 5.863 -3.858 (Evolution in BIG in the middle)

1 024.707 1 021.320 1 371.246 (new rating in small below)

would be the much better display, as it shows the reality:
HoD is doing best with respect to it’s expectation
whereas BP does slightly worser than expected.

AndrewSX.3794:

For how they made wvw, they should have made all servers international US+EU to make it work for real.

Oh I see you have a lot NA or Asian people that like to speak German and French.
They just don’t joined us as they are afraid of the ping.

Or alternatively you ever tried an EU-Overflow server?
Typical chat in LA is: 1 sentence in German, next in French, some English, answered in polish, followed by a Russian commentary, …

This is EU 1-3 thread:
About EU-1 I heared several Kodash voices being excizted to play against Vizu for their first time. SFR, hm, they only do what they can do best.
About EU-2 Elona’s weekend domination seem to melt away fast under Baruchs weekday domination, the only thing that seems to be sure now is Elona loose massive ranking points and Deso will drop a rank.
EU-3 Jades night domination is still not really decisive and If I look at the time-aggregation of the match, it looks very balanced 19 hours of the day.

So what do you mean if you say “systematic failure of WvW”?

Let’s face it: WvWler cry loud but they are a totaly unimportant minority for ANet.
4mio sold GW2 on 51 worlds means an average population of over 70’000 people per world. How many go to WvW? 5000 on a top ranked world 500 on a low ranked world?

We aren’t the business for ANet we are the hobby. As hobby we still get something from time to time, but business has priority. It even has to be that way, without business, there is no money for the hobby.

The main priority for transfer costs is and will be always: Get enough people to the worlds to keep the PvE events working. Do you really think if there are 500 WvWler more or less on a world will affect how PvE will work?

MagnusLL.8473:

Now we can have 5 exciting days of twiddling our thumbs, since even the artificial “suspense” of inter-matchup “ranking fights” is over.

Gratz, Arenanet.

I would not call it ANets fault that Deso is still overranked. It’s the result of all the manpower leaving you. And with the new system you can adjust (now rank 7) with the old you would hang on rank 6 at least as long as you hang in Tier 1. Probably longer as the old T3 did not wanted to go up, whenever Piken was “in danger” to go up, they reduced playing for the rest of the week. This is no longer possible. If the new system would have come earlier, you would maybe still in better shape.

Weekend is over time for a intermediate resumee:
Will jade be able to defend it’s 3rd place vs SFR and/or Kodash?
The still most open question. Night is the only time where Jade get’s more points.
So they are ahead in the morning, fall back over the day and are behind in the evening.

Will the distance between Vizu and Elona increase or decrease?
The devasting Sunday to Monday Night-Shift of Baruch seem to have decided that question in favour of Vizu.

Will SFR stay ahead of Kodash?
At least Kodash came much closer!

Will Deso stay ahead of Baruch?
Does not look like that. Deso fall back to rank 7 now 40pts behind Baruch.

Boring. most people on EU-servers still sleep at their night which is NA primetime.
On Vizu you have around 70 in NA prime on Elona you have around 20 at NA-prime.

Who does better PvD is the only thing that matters in such matches.

Auxi.3592:

I dont like games based on ethnics :P

It’s not ethnics, it’s nationalism. The French invented that in the french revolution. Maybe they regret it 1870, when the Germans took that bad idea over. But in general they still seem to be big fans of it.

Edit: It has also NOTHING to do with racism, it’s Nationalism!

Deniara Devious.3948:

Yet another boring week with totally imbalanced match up and being outmanned most of the time, thanks to the master minds of Arenanet. It doesn’t get into their thick skulls that match up should be done based on coverage, not based on a broken rating system + random roll. Servers with similar coverage should be matched together.

Yeah due to your more glorious history you are still overrated. I hope you can stop complaining about outmanned before you face Blacktide in a match.

Did you considered that Deso would still be much better if the new system would go live 3 month earlier? And that it was the old system and not the new that let you being stuck in T1.

As far as I’ve read from Vabbi/FoW Forum posts, both are nearly never at the 3rd servers homelands, but ofc. most relevant would be their opinion about it

Here is another proposal for an arena:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Suggestion-Guests-in-WvW-lt-1k-rating/2180885

I was never on Vabbi nor on FoW, but it looks like their WvW could need some mercenary support.

How about allowing world guests to enter WvW for all worlds below 1000 rating points (currently Vabbi, FoW in EU and ET,FC in NA)?
a) to support them building an own WvW community
b) to allow anyone to have GvGs there (one guild guests on Vabbi, the other on FoW)

Maybe combined with a queue-priority for natives.

jalmari.3906:

O’ Boredom

Please make it so sfr cannot face vz in ANY match up EVER again.

Put them to Vabbi and FoW and allow them friendly fire in form of:
1 guild of SFR declares War on another guild of SFR
All 3 will be happy. Vabbi, FoW and a few randoms at SFR can fight a match and all the guilds of SFR only need the mills

Yeah, would support interpretation 2

Karahol.9840:

A player on the winning side have decided to run bets on who is gonna come 2nd or 3rd since they will win anyway and think that this is suspense???

Bad taste. :\

If you look at my 2nd screen, you would see, that I do NOT see Elona as the winner of the match, but Baruch. I think we CANNOT win this match, we can only try as hard as possible to reduce our loss. And the most important part: Loose less then Vizu and Jade and in that we currently succeed.

Yeah the psychology of what is shown in-game.

You only know that you are “beaten” by 200k as the display shows it to you,
but what if the display would look like the other one?

And there would be a new tab like the 3rd?

But lately Deso fall behind BB, this is something you are still able to change.
(Not by attacking BB, but by fighting Elona better than BB does)

Jabronee.9465:

There is only one solution to this —-> WvW Servers.

I don’t think so. The solution is: Guild Alliance vs Guild Alliance instead of WvW
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/Separate-Casual-and-Ranking-WvW/1235237

AND casual WvW with daily changing opponents, smaller map limits and NO SCORING etal. That can also easily be used for GvG as we know it now.

MagnusLL.8473:

Yeah I’m sure it’s loads of fun for Elona outnumbering the other 2 servers by 5:1 or more on a 24/7 basis. Here’s a secret though: it’s not so fun for the other 2 servers.

I am in the forum and not on the battle field to reduce outnumbering, but you better stay in the battlefield and not in the forum, or my decision doesn’t help much

Vizunah Square – Seafarer’s Rest – Kodash
and
Elona Reach – Desolation – Baruch Bay
and
Piken Square – Jade Sea – Augury Rock

At first sight 3 boring match. 2 of them are already clearly decided and I’ve no doubt that Jade will make the 3rd one clear in the night from Sunday to Monday.

Why do I call it EU 1-3 Super Match if it is so boring?

Because it offers a lot of suspense below the surface!
- Will jade be able to defend it’s 3rd place vs SFR and/or Kodash?
- Will the distance between Vizu and Elona increase or decrease?
- Will SFR stay ahead of Kodash?
- Will Deso stay ahead of Baruch?

The first two questions are match crossing questions, the last 2 of them are in match questions, but both server better do not fight them out in game or they loose both.

Maybe this is more interesting to watch than to play, but if noone plays for it there is nothing to watch

On an week with a lot of a new kind of suspense!

When there is a larger jump in score between current and last query, there was an update in between.

Kaleygh.1524:

Viking.1285:

mass arrow carts killing zergs? no kitten! tell me more sherlock

no way!
AM best blob EU
Also – lootbags

To long ago that you saw a Vizu blob isn’t it? 20 October was the last time, they did not got smaller, in the meantime. They got 100+ or Vizu stay inside the keep collecting more players till they reached 100+! I only believe that Abaddon is the best Blob server when I see them side by side in an Aba – Elona -Vizu match

Oh Oh, we have queue on EB since 10:00

Mikosan.2187:

Dayra.7405:

If the match has passed by THIS is the only thing that matters!
SoR is the looser SoS is the winner of the match. http://mos.millenium.org/na
SoR has to even worry that they do not loose rank 1 in this match

Does it mean more fights? Weeeeeeee

Go, and play pvp when you only want the fight and do not care about the strategies of WvW.

If the match has passed by THIS is the only thing that matters!
SoR is the looser SoS is the winner of the match. http://mos.millenium.org/na
SoR has to even worry that they do not loose rank 1 in this match

And this is the thing I like most in the new matchup system. Winning a match has now 3 variants! Winning in an equal match, winning while underdog, winning as clear favorite are now possible scenarios that you need to be able to play to defend your rank.

Population count is based on who declared a world their home world.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Server-Populations/first#post703192

But this means that every inactive player rotting in the cellar of your server still counts for your population.

And if a server has more inactive than another you will see a difference everywhere. And as soon as you are a low ranked WvW server people interested in WvW will not join you.

Concerning WvW-balance ANet could only do the following:
- Reduce Map capacity, such that less people of a world fit into WvW and the queue on servers with many WvW-players become horrible. (They get a reason to change to low ranked servers)
- Change the World transfer costs such that WvW- lower ranked servers are cheaper for WvW-player (WvW Rank > X), e.g.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Free-transfers-to-small-pop-servers/2126651

But I am not sure if I would like it, even if the reduced map-capacity also means less skill laags.

In the end you cannot force people to join a server where they do not want to be

@kursk: hm, yeah Elona was in fight with Vizu for 4 weeks now. Very nice to see something else again!! Maybe it will take some time to blob less :O, but during the week in primetime you should see a lot of guild raids (20-40) from Elona on the borderlands as well. On EB the Megablob will most likely stay to be the most used army-organization by Elona, simply because the queue’s are to long for guild raids.

Cool.

Some more idea’s for the statistics page:
- Who took from whom.
- Who took something where, i.e. own third, oponent1 third, oponent 2 third.
- or Defensive (own third) vs Offensive (other thirds plus SM)

On EB “third-owner” is clear, isn’t it. On the BLs I would say: north is defenders third, south-east attcker 1 and south west attacker 2, maybe the 3 camps on the boarders as neutral (like SM on EB).

Maybe you can choose to see the statistics of the last match or the “so far” statistics of the current match.

Khayoss.2019:

Placing them both in separate matches against 2 stronger servers might actually help a little bit.

I do not believe this will work. Both servers have to worry about any score point going to Vabbi or FoW. Each score point to Vabbi or FoW will cost them several times as much ranking as any score point going to each other.
I think Ken’s analysis is more likely. In such a match Vabbi and FoW will be spawn-camped by two servers instead of one.

I agree with Yamirashi.

@Dominik: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/matchups/T1-EU-24-05-2013-Elona-Vizunah-Jade-Sea/2097580

blurps.2340:

Mystery.7392:

Ergh… no frenchies?

The nightshift can get some sleep, finally.

Maybe till monday, but Baruch is known for large nightshift as well. You already forgot?

Of course, score is just an intermediate result needed to compute the final result.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/New-Server-Matchups-Was-Worst-Idea-Ever/2146243

BTW: n^2 is called quadratic or polynomial and NOT exponential ( 2^n would be exponential) and I think the computation is in fact cubic (n^3) as each of the n^2 results have to be communicated to n clients.

I want them in. They make up a living environment.
Without them the world is dead.

However I want any neutral out of auto-target, they can only become attack-focus if explicitly LEFT-clicked. And I want them to be hit by AoE only if less than 5 other possible targets are in the AoE area.

Why not simply: siege is always hit, additionally to the 5-cap on players?

As the number of siege in an area is limited to five, this would be still caped, i.e. to 5+5.

Is also fair, as most siege themselves have a cap of 50.

After the, hm, funny Reset last week, we never heard about the new Reset again.

Will the Leaderboard – that still shows the failed 1st reset from last week – be working this week? And if it does: How long before match start will we see the new matches?

Warlord.9074:

I think the point is to try and match servers up better based on the ranking.

No that is not possible with any method. Which server you ever put together with FoW and Vabbi kills both of them.

The current method has one main goal: Your ranking should reflect your performance, ranking differences should indicate performance differences.

And to achieve that goal you have to prove the correctness of your rank in matches. You succeed to do so (a win in my view) or you fail to do so (a lose in my view).

If you improve your rank in the ranking as the result of a match did you lost that match?

If you fail to keep your rank in the ranking as the result of a match did you won that match?

What is wining a match?

Some intermediate sum needed to compute your new ranking and that will never be looked on again? Or the permanent improvement or reduction of your position in the ranking?

Depends all what you consider winning.
I think the following lower servers are winning as they perform much better than expected:
Arborstone (25 vs 13 & 15): +69
Gunnars Hold (20 vs 8 & 10): +61
Abaddons (11 vs 9 & 7): +21
Drakkar (16 vs 12 & 14): +10
Sea of Sorrows (10 vs 4 & 6): +55
Stormbuff Isle (13 vs 5 & 7): +45
Northern Shiverpeaks (21 vs 16 & 19): +36
Fergusson Crossing (23 vs 18 & 20): +64
Eredon Terrace (24 vs 22 & 17): +24

You may have seen Devon Carver on the Future of WvW:
“Right now our game rewards you for holding an objective, not necessarily for taking it, and overwhelmingly favors the last server to log out for the day. We have some ideas in the pipeline to try to increase scoring when people are playing the game and to make it much more difficult to keep your territory without actively guarding it.”
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/devon-carver-on-the-future-of-world-vs-world/

I’ve no idea, which ideas ANet has for that. But after reading it, I had an idea how it could be done:

Garrision
——————-
A tower, fortress or SM only give Score points for the ticker, if it is garrisoned by human players. Each player counts for 2 (or 3 or 5?) pts. So a tower needs 5 people to score 10 pts (it’s max), a fortress needs 13 player to score 25 and SM needs 18 players to score 35. If thee are less player it scores less, if there are none it scores none.

Revolution
———————-
If at any ticker (without active siege) there is not one human inside a tower, fortress or SM there is a 50% change of a revolution of the NPCs. If an revolution occurs, the keep turn to neutral (i.e. hostile to all player sides). NPC’s are trippled and wall, door and guard upgrades start automatically with unlimited available supplies.

Acquisition-Score
——————————-
When a tower, fortress or SM is captured it gives the attacker an score-bonus up to tripple the score value (30,75,105), if enough different defenders (15,38,53) were inside at any time during the siege-event.The acquisition of an undefended or neutral keep gives no bonus.

Small adjustments:
-Probably garrisons should get some bonus (event, WXP, …) at every event ticker.
-Probably it’s a good idea to have the ticker more often, e.g. every min. or 5min. to avoid everyone rushing into a keep at ticker-time.

Intended effects:
- Zergs get smaller, if all people of a map are in the zerg no one is left for turning possessions into points via garrision.
- off-time-capping is limited, e.g. an off-time-force of 50 people cannot get a score higher than 100
- when they go to bed and no one is on the map, everything turns neutral.
- PvD gives no bonus points.

Build PvX guilds!

People may join them for PvE, guild-missions, etc., but if they also have some experienced WvW-player, better even Commander, they can be easily motivated to play WvW from time to time, and several may even become real WvW player.

This way they are not alone in an hostile, much more difficult to understand environment and can get access to WvW much easier.

Offer training, build discussions as well, but don’t overdo.

If Arbor (25) reaches a score-ticker of +250 in primetime while Gandara (13) has only +155 as they currently do Arbor deserve a higher rating and Gandara is overrated! And the adjustments that are (and will) be made by the new system are most urgently needed.

Blackelk.3784:

Day try testing that in WvW I think they fixed the aspect ratios there. I attempted this the other day after I noticed an aspect ratio fix in WvW patch notes. I also haven’t seen any siege carted down.

I would not call this fixed. Standing on the ground inside our tower cliffside, being able to look onto the wall and behind …

3 times better only means a higher percentage of AoE classes.
If you wana be the better player play PvP.
WvW is about mass-battles and siege and capturing objectives and not etal about better players. And this is how it should be.

I do not see any reason why 10 should be able to win against 25!

Anyhow, AoE cap to 5 is due to technical reasons (would increase skill laags even more, if it is dropped). And if AoE cap is dropped damage of all AoE-skills must be nerved, e.g. to 1/5 of current damage (and 1 in 5 for a CC to happen) to keep a balance with single target skills.

Amasius.9014:

Dayra.7405:

PS: These screen-shoots are made in lio-arch, I will never use window mode in WvW.

5 signets? I hope that you will never use this build in WvW, Dayra. :P

No my warrior only plays pve, where I am to lazy to use anything beside passive effects, I play mostly necro and a bit ele in WvW.
But you are off-topic